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1. 12:06 AM - Re: Help - oil pressure (Jorgen Nielsen)
2. 05:20 AM - Brakes Slow to Release (John Alber)
3. 06:13 AM - Re: Brakes Slow to Release (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 06:29 AM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (Ernie)
5. 06:33 AM - Re: data plate (Ernie)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: Brakes Slow to Release (KevLCo@aol.com)
7. 07:04 AM - Re: Help - oil pressure (KevLCo@aol.com)
8. 08:37 AM - (owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com)
9. 08:57 AM - Re: Brakes Slow to Release (Bob Fitzpatrick)
10. 09:16 AM - Brakes (joe h)
11. 11:06 AM - What Listers Are Saying III (Matt Dralle)
12. 11:26 AM - What Listers Are Saying III (Matt Dralle)
13. 01:31 PM - Re: More Petrel Stuff (gpa)
14. 01:35 PM - Re: Brakes Slow to Release (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 03:31 PM - Re: Help - oil pressure (Wes Warner)
16. 07:10 PM - Re: CJ Paint Schemes (cpayne@joimail.com)
17. 07:12 PM - Re: CJ Paint Schemes (cpayne@joimail.com)
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| Subject: | Help - oil pressure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
OK, so next question - presumably then after a flight where you experiencd
low pressure, if you topped up the oil to 12l, the pressure went back to
spec, or did it stay low, and need adjustment?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Harry Hirschman
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Help - oil pressure
--> Yak-List message posted by: Harry Hirschman <hairball192@yahoo.com>
Concur with Wes... I had low and fluctuating oil
pressure (M-14P, Interavia E-3) that I troubleshot
lots of different ways and in the end keeping the oil
quantity above 12 was all it needed.
Harry
--- Wes Warner <ufo@outerlimits.org> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner
> <ufo@outerlimits.org>
>
> What quantity of oil do you have in the tank before
> you start doing acro? I
> have noticed that in my plane (Yak 55m) 9 liters
> works best. However, the
> Interavia I have been flying lately needs more like
> 12 Liters otherwise the
> pressure drops and the prop (MTV-9) starts to
> increase pitch.
>
> HTH,
> Wes
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 10:52:10PM +0200, Jorgen
> Nielsen wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> >
> >
> > > Help required, #$%#%$ pressure problems again...
> > >
> > > Earlier this year my Yak-52 dropped oil pressure
> while doing acro. The
> > > fix by my mechanic was to re-adjust the
> pressure, and all was well again.
> > > He did hook up an external gauge as well to
> check things out.
> > >
> > > Oil pressure has been constant since, with no
> problems experienced. At
> > > the time I felt a little misgiving, in terms of
> something must have caused
> > > it to drop - the adjustment screw did not back
> itself out.
> > >
> > > Anyway, yesterday, the same thing happened
> again. I just just completed a
> > > half-loop and levelled off inverted. Checking
> down (or should that be
> > > up?) at the ASI, I scanned the instruments and
> saw the oil pressure just
> > > at the bottom of the yellow. Rolled level,
> rechecked, cycled pitch, no
> > > change, so headed back for the airport.
> Pressure was constant throughout
> > > (no fluctuation), but low. I don't want to
> simply turn up the adjustment
> > > again, there must be something wrong somewhere.
> Any ideas? Anyone have
> > > this before?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Jorgen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Brakes Slow to Release |
--> Yak-List message posted by: John Alber <john@johnalber.com>
I've been noticing that the brakes on my Yak-52 have been getting slow to release
after application. That is, I squeeze them on and then release, but feel them
drag for a few seconds before they free up. This seems worse in cold weather.
I hear the air vent in the cockpit when I release them, but still feel the
drag.
My mechanic has suggested as an initial step adding pneumatic system lubricant
of the type used in tractor-trailer pneumatic systems. Any thoughts as to the
cause and as to that suggested remedy? Thanks.
John Alber
John Alber
john@johnalber.com
Home 618-675-3553
Work 314-259-2144
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| Subject: | Re: Brakes Slow to Release |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
The brake bladders are made of a fairly hard rubber compound. During cold
weather and before the brakes have a chance to heat up, the bladders are
very slow to expand and contract, which I believe may be causing your
problem. Adding pneumatic system lubricant such as air tool oil is good for
the system, particularly in helping to prevent rust/corrosion on the
internal components of the gear actuators and uplocks. But it will not
effect the brake bladders which of course expand when you squeeze the brakes
and contract, although slowly when it's cold, when you release the brake
handle.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Alber" <john@johnalber.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Brakes Slow to Release
> --> Yak-List message posted by: John Alber <john@johnalber.com>
>
> I've been noticing that the brakes on my Yak-52 have been getting slow to
release after application. That is, I squeeze them on and then release, but
feel them drag for a few seconds before they free up. This seems worse in
cold weather. I hear the air vent in the cockpit when I release them, but
still feel the drag.
>
> My mechanic has suggested as an initial step adding pneumatic system
lubricant of the type used in tractor-trailer pneumatic systems. Any
thoughts as to the cause and as to that suggested remedy? Thanks.
>
> John Alber
>
>
> John Alber
> john@johnalber.com
> Home 618-675-3553
> Work 314-259-2144
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More Petrel Stuff |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I always enjoyed just using "Experimental" and then my N # when identifying
myself to ATC for flight following in the Jet. After a few minutes, they
avariably come back and say "What type of plane are you?" after they monitor
my speed on Radar. I then reply "an L-29" they then comeback and say, "Yea
but What kind of plane are you" :)
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> I have a good friend who's both a controller and a pilot. He's remarked
> that any controller worth his or her salt wants to know WHAT you are more
> than they want to know HOW YOU'RE CERTIFICATED.
>
> To that end, I file CJ6 for my type on flight plans and use that for
> flight following (the FAA's computer knows what a CJ6 is -- the flight
> plan filer on DUATS knows the FAA's list of types because it's TIED INTO
> their list... quite handy). I've taken to referring to myself as
> "Nanchang, November 3 6 Charlie Juliet" on the initial callup and have
> discovered to my great pleasure that: a) controllers are in fact trainable
> -- some of them will forever more use "Nanchang" after talking to you just
> once; b) good controllers are curious and will ask you plenty of
> questions, especially if they've got nothing better to do; :-) c)
> controllers train each other -- after only about 8 months of saying what I
> really am, nearly all the controllers in Central Texas say "Nanchang" as
> readily as they say "Bonanza".
>
> Note that I put the "November" in there since my initial experience
> suggested that controllers were thinking that I was making up my own word
> for the N in N36CJ if I said "Nanchang 3 6 Charlie Juliet".
>
> To meet the FAR, I usually add ", experimental" at the end on the initial
> contact with a tower. Why just the tower??
>
> I find that the phrase, "It's kind-of a Chinese T-34" seems to provide
> sufficient enlightenment to any controller asking "What's a CJ6," or,
> "What's a Nanchang?"
>
> The L-39 is a little different... to snap whomever out of thinking "RV-6"
> when they hear "experiemental" I make all my initial callups as
> "Experimental Jet, Albatros 1 0 7 Zulu Alpha," even on the CTAF. This
> seems to pre-empt the surprise controllers exhibit when the "experimental"
> they were going to get to -- oh, in a minute -- accelerates to a 280 knot
> ground speed, making for the (nearest, of course) edge of their airspace.
> I had to actually circle back into one guy's sector so that he could
> finish what he was doing with the computer. Mama mia! %-)
>
> Jon
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Petrel is shorter than experimental, but don't forget about FAR 91.319
> > (d)(3) which requires you to notify the tower that your plane is
> > experimental.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Di Marco" <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff
> >
> >
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
> > <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
> >>
> >> Hi Yen has fewer syllables than Experimental or November and easier to
> > understand than Nanchang. Petrel sounds like petrol (and until last
> > month I never heard of a Petrel). Hi Yen it is then.
> >>
> >> Thanks (Che Che Nee),
> >> Mike in
> >> China Blue
> >>
> >> Oliver Neufert <oliver.neufert@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert
> >>
> >> If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be,
> >> in Mandarin - Hi Yen
> >> Cantonese - Hoi Yin
> >>
> >> Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with
> >> the
> > men
> >> in white suits after landing...
> >>
> >> Oliver.
> >>
> >>
> >> At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
> >> >
> >> >If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a Mustang,
> >> etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call
> >> sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to
> >> understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the
> >> "just call yourself a Yak" arguement.
> >> >
> >> >Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound
> >> more warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no
> >> what Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other
> >> provincial dialects?
> >> >
> >> >Mike in
> >> >China Blue
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I was at an airshow a few weeks ago with my L-29 and another buddy with an
L-29. I had a data plate he didnt. The next day the FAA rep came over and
questioned my buddy regarding the location of his data plate.
This doesnt answer your question of whether one is required by law or not,
but like many other things if you want to make your life easier with the FAA
types, just put one on.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Subject: Yak-List: data plate
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> Reading FAR 21.182 it seems like experimental aircraft that aren't amateur
> built don't need a data plate.
>
> Anybody have any experience or an opinion on whether you need one on a
> warbird?
>
> I told my friend that unless there was a really good reason NOT to put one
> one, I'd go ahead and do it anyway, but it's still an interesting
> question.
>
> Jon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brakes Slow to Release |
--> Yak-List message posted by: KevLCo@aol.com
John, Dennis is once again on the money, but allow me to add another thought
to ponder:
As temperatures lower, things start contracting. As this happens, any brake
pad dirt, gunk, or other unwelcome media that may be in between the pads and
the holder become a factor. Maybe a good washing down (don't use brake
cleaner, the bladder!) would be beneficial. I'd pull 'em all apart, inspecting
the
spring keepers, and clean the housing that the pads live in. Check for ridges
building up between the pads, I found a few that a file quickly removes and
keeps everybody smooth and happy.
Dennis is correct on the air system lubrication~ the valving needs to operate
freely, when you release the brake lever the reducer valve needs to release,
and little corrosion goes a long way when things are counting on springs and
air pressure to move around.
Hope this helps,
Kevin
Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Re: Help - oil pressure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: KevLCo@aol.com
Do the flop tubes in the oil tank ever require maintenance? Seals, maybe?
Just wonderin~
Kevin
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--> Yak-List message posted by:
Hello,
I have a yak 55 for sale RA01333
1992 TTSN 486
All original russian exept weight light generator and MTV three blades.
Engine M14P
Good paint and interior
Please contact me on duboisremi@wanadoo.fr
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| Subject: | Re: Brakes Slow to Release |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
John,
You're getting some good advice here on brakes but be aware of the
difference in truck additives. Most trucks with air brakes have air dryers
to keep mosture out of the system. Some don't and rely on periodic draining
of the tank sumps and/or addition of some alchohol-based anti-freeze. I
don't know what these would do to the rubber in our airplanes and am not
anxious to find out. Be careful.
bob
Yak 52
Mack semi
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Alber" <john@johnalber.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Brakes Slow to Release
> --> Yak-List message posted by: John Alber <john@johnalber.com>
>
> I've been noticing that the brakes on my Yak-52 have been getting slow to
release after application. That is, I squeeze them on and then release, but
feel them drag for a few seconds before they free up. This seems worse in
cold weather. I hear the air vent in the cockpit when I release them, but
still feel the drag.
>
> My mechanic has suggested as an initial step adding pneumatic system
lubricant of the type used in tractor-trailer pneumatic systems. Any
thoughts as to the cause and as to that suggested remedy? Thanks.
>
> John Alber
>
>
> John Alber
> john@johnalber.com
> Home 618-675-3553
> Work 314-259-2144
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: joe h <joeh@shaw.ca>
I have been using air tool oil in my air system for 11 years with no problems,
(CJ6)
The brake regulator valve QS-1, will cause a lot of grief if it gets dry, pilot
valve sticks and
you could have a brake failure. Remove lines and inject oil into valve.
Joe
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| Subject: | What Listers Are Saying III |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Re: More Petrel Stuff |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "gpa" <catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
Now THAT is funny :)
Greg Arnold
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> I always enjoyed just using "Experimental" and then my N # when
identifying
> myself to ATC for flight following in the Jet. After a few minutes, they
> avariably come back and say "What type of plane are you?" after they
monitor
> my speed on Radar. I then reply "an L-29" they then comeback and say, "Yea
> but What kind of plane are you" :)
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
> >
> > I have a good friend who's both a controller and a pilot. He's remarked
> > that any controller worth his or her salt wants to know WHAT you are
more
> > than they want to know HOW YOU'RE CERTIFICATED.
> >
> > To that end, I file CJ6 for my type on flight plans and use that for
> > flight following (the FAA's computer knows what a CJ6 is -- the flight
> > plan filer on DUATS knows the FAA's list of types because it's TIED INTO
> > their list... quite handy). I've taken to referring to myself as
> > "Nanchang, November 3 6 Charlie Juliet" on the initial callup and have
> > discovered to my great pleasure that: a) controllers are in fact
trainable
> > -- some of them will forever more use "Nanchang" after talking to you
just
> > once; b) good controllers are curious and will ask you plenty of
> > questions, especially if they've got nothing better to do; :-) c)
> > controllers train each other -- after only about 8 months of saying what
I
> > really am, nearly all the controllers in Central Texas say "Nanchang" as
> > readily as they say "Bonanza".
> >
> > Note that I put the "November" in there since my initial experience
> > suggested that controllers were thinking that I was making up my own
word
> > for the N in N36CJ if I said "Nanchang 3 6 Charlie Juliet".
> >
> > To meet the FAR, I usually add ", experimental" at the end on the
initial
> > contact with a tower. Why just the tower??
> >
> > I find that the phrase, "It's kind-of a Chinese T-34" seems to provide
> > sufficient enlightenment to any controller asking "What's a CJ6," or,
> > "What's a Nanchang?"
> >
> > The L-39 is a little different... to snap whomever out of thinking
"RV-6"
> > when they hear "experiemental" I make all my initial callups as
> > "Experimental Jet, Albatros 1 0 7 Zulu Alpha," even on the CTAF. This
> > seems to pre-empt the surprise controllers exhibit when the
"experimental"
> > they were going to get to -- oh, in a minute -- accelerates to a 280
knot
> > ground speed, making for the (nearest, of course) edge of their
airspace.
> > I had to actually circle back into one guy's sector so that he could
> > finish what he was doing with the computer. Mama mia! %-)
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > Petrel is shorter than experimental, but don't forget about FAR 91.319
> > > (d)(3) which requires you to notify the tower that your plane is
> > > experimental.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Di Marco" <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Petrel Stuff
> > >
> > >
> > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
> > > <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Yen has fewer syllables than Experimental or November and easier
to
> > > understand than Nanchang. Petrel sounds like petrol (and until last
> > > month I never heard of a Petrel). Hi Yen it is then.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks (Che Che Nee),
> > >> Mike in
> > >> China Blue
> > >>
> > >> Oliver Neufert <oliver.neufert@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Oliver Neufert
> > >>
> > >> If this refers to a sea sparrow, the closest pronounciation would be,
> > >> in Mandarin - Hi Yen
> > >> Cantonese - Hoi Yin
> > >>
> > >> Good luck with the controllers, let's hope they don't meet you with
> > >> the
> > > men
> > >> in white suits after landing...
> > >>
> > >> Oliver.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> At 08:40 AM 11/25/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
> > >> >
> > >> >If the CJ-6A is as much a Petrel as a T6 is a Texan or P51 a
Mustang,
> > >> etc., etc., why don't we use that as our aircraft type in the call
> > >> sign? Sure it is a matter of choice, but ever get a controller to
> > >> understand "Nanchang" on the first try? And we need not start the
> > >> "just call yourself a Yak" arguement.
> > >> >
> > >> >Another way at it might be the Chinese word for Petrel. It may sound
> > >> more warbirdish and be easy to understand over the radio. Anyone no
> > >> what Petrel is in Mandirin or Hokien or Cantonese or any of the other
> > >> provincial dialects?
> > >> >
> > >> >Mike in
> > >> >China Blue
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brakes Slow to Release |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
That's why we have, 1. "the snot bottle" to separate the moisture from the
air going back to the tank and 2. the air filter just below the pop off
valve on the firewall. Religious opening/emptying the snot bottle after
each flight will help eliminate condensation/moisture in the main air tank.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Fitzpatrick" <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Brakes Slow to Release
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
>
>
> John,
> You're getting some good advice here on brakes but be aware of the
> difference in truck additives. Most trucks with air brakes have air dryers
> to keep mosture out of the system. Some don't and rely on periodic
draining
> of the tank sumps and/or addition of some alchohol-based anti-freeze. I
> don't know what these would do to the rubber in our airplanes and am not
> anxious to find out. Be careful.
> bob
> Yak 52
> Mack semi
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Alber" <john@johnalber.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Brakes Slow to Release
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: John Alber <john@johnalber.com>
> >
> > I've been noticing that the brakes on my Yak-52 have been getting slow
to
> release after application. That is, I squeeze them on and then release,
but
> feel them drag for a few seconds before they free up. This seems worse in
> cold weather. I hear the air vent in the cockpit when I release them, but
> still feel the drag.
> >
> > My mechanic has suggested as an initial step adding pneumatic system
> lubricant of the type used in tractor-trailer pneumatic systems. Any
> thoughts as to the cause and as to that suggested remedy? Thanks.
> >
> > John Alber
> >
> >
> > John Alber
> > john@johnalber.com
> > Home 618-675-3553
> > Work 314-259-2144
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Help - oil pressure |
Mail-Followup-To: Wes Warner <ufo@outerlimits.org>,
--> Yak-List message posted by: Wes Warner <ufo@outerlimits.org>
If you fly once with low pressure, then return, add oil, and fly again, it
will go back up and stay up. There is no adjustment necessary.
Wes
On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 10:04:35AM +0200, Jorgen Nielsen wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> OK, so next question - presumably then after a flight where you experiencd
> low pressure, if you topped up the oil to 12l, the pressure went back to
> spec, or did it stay low, and need adjustment?
>
--
You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3.
(Paul F. Crickmore - test pilot)
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Paint Schemes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
Dennis,
*Most* of the CJ camo paint schemes you are seeing on CJ's
are Russian Wannabe schemes, spin-offs of the Yakity-Yaks
marketing effort. A little research will uncover a wide
variety of Chinese schemes. Too bad the sense of Chinese
style for paint schemes is divergent from what we Westerners
see in a paint scheme. However, they did use a number of
really cool looking camo schemes on combat aircraft,
including Korean war fighters. I found good sources in Model
Airplane paint scheme catalogs as found on-line.
The Chinese even did a Tiger Stripe on Mig 15's during the
"Korean Conflict". ie: a war where 54,000 Americans
died.....
Craig Payne
> Time: 08:25:14 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Paint Schemes
> From: "Dennis Von Ruden" <dvonruden@generalequip.com>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dennis Von Ruden"
> <dvonruden@generalequip.com>
>
> I am planning to paint my CJ this spring and starting the
> process of developing a scheme. I notice a number of
> aircraft sporting a camouflage scheme trimmed in yellow on
> the wing tips and vertical tail. Red stars are then
> applied to the fuselage and immediately adjacent to the
> yellow areas. It's an interesting mix of camo along with
> the boldness of the red and yellow. Is there any factual
> basis for this type of scheme being utilized in China?
> I've seen a number of photographs depicting CJs based in
> China and the schemes really do not show any direction or
> consistency. Or desire to mimic. Thanks for your help.
>
>
> Dennis Von Ruden
>
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2723.2500" name=GENERATOR>
Dennis,
*Most* of the CJ camo paint schemes you are seeing on CJ's are Russian
Wannabe schemes, spin-offs of the Yakity-Yaks marketing effort. A little
research will uncover a wide variety of Chinese schemes. Too bad the sense of
Chinese style forpaint schemes is divergent from what we Westerners see in
a paint scheme. However, they did use a number of really cool looking camo
schemes on combat aircraft, including Korean war fighters. I found good sources
in Model Airplane paint scheme catalogs as found on-line.
The Chinese even did a Tiger Stripe on Mig 15's during the "Korean Conflict".
ie: a war where 54,000 Americans died.....
Craig Payne
Time: 08:25:14 PM PST US
Subject: Yak-List: Paint Schemes
From: "Dennis Von Ruden" dvonruden@generalequip.com
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Dennis Von Ruden"
dvonruden@generalequip.com
I am planning to paint my CJ this spring and starting the
process of developing a scheme. I notice a number of
aircraft sporting a camouflage scheme trimmed in yellow on
the wing tips and vertical tail. Red stars are then
applied to the fuselage and immediately adjacent to the
yellow areas. It's an interesting mix of camo along with
the boldness of the red and yellow. Is there any factual
basis for this type of scheme being utilized in China?
I've seen a number of photographs depicting CJs based in
China and the schemes really do not show any direction or
consistency. Or desire to mimic. Thanks for your help.
>
;
Dennis Von Ruden
&
gt;
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Paint Schemes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
Dennis,
*Most* of the CJ camo paint schemes you are seeing on CJ's
are Russian Wannabe schemes, spin-offs of the Yakity-Yaks
marketing effort. A little research will uncover a wide
variety of Chinese schemes. Too bad the sense of Chinese
style for paint schemes is divergent from what we Westerners
see in a paint scheme. However, they did use a number of
really cool looking camo schemes on combat aircraft,
including Korean war fighters. I found good sources in Model
Airplane paint scheme catalogs as found on-line.
The Chinese even did a Tiger Stripe on Mig 15's during the
"Korean Conflict". ie: a war where 54,000 Americans
died.....
Craig Payne
> Time: 08:25:14 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Paint Schemes
> From: "Dennis Von Ruden" <dvonruden@generalequip.com>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dennis Von Ruden"
> <dvonruden@generalequip.com>
>
> I am planning to paint my CJ this spring and starting the
> process of developing a scheme. I notice a number of
> aircraft sporting a camouflage scheme trimmed in yellow on
> the wing tips and vertical tail. Red stars are then
> applied to the fuselage and immediately adjacent to the
> yellow areas. It's an interesting mix of camo along with
> the boldness of the red and yellow. Is there any factual
> basis for this type of scheme being utilized in China?
> I've seen a number of photographs depicting CJs based in
> China and the schemes really do not show any direction or
> consistency. Or desire to mimic. Thanks for your help.
>
>
> Dennis Von Ruden
>
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2723.2500" name=GENERATOR>
Dennis,
*Most* of the CJ camo paint schemes you are seeing on CJ's are Russian
Wannabe schemes, spin-offs of the Yakity-Yaks marketing effort. A little
research will uncover a wide variety of Chinese schemes. Too bad the sense of
Chinese style forpaint schemes is divergent from what we Westerners see in
a paint scheme. However, they did use a number of really cool looking camo
schemes on combat aircraft, including Korean war fighters. I found good sources
in Model Airplane paint scheme catalogs as found on-line.
The Chinese even did a Tiger Stripe on Mig 15's during the "Korean Conflict".
ie: a war where 54,000 Americans died.....
Craig Payne
Time: 08:25:14 PM PST US
Subject: Yak-List: Paint Schemes
From: "Dennis Von Ruden" dvonruden@generalequip.com
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Dennis Von Ruden"
dvonruden@generalequip.com
I am planning to paint my CJ this spring and starting the
process of developing a scheme. I notice a number of
aircraft sporting a camouflage scheme trimmed in yellow on
the wing tips and vertical tail. Red stars are then
applied to the fuselage and immediately adjacent to the
yellow areas. It's an interesting mix of camo along with
the boldness of the red and yellow. Is there any factual
basis for this type of scheme being utilized in China?
I've seen a number of photographs depicting CJs based in
China and the schemes really do not show any direction or
consistency. Or desire to mimic. Thanks for your help.
>
;
Dennis Von Ruden
&
gt;
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