---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/10/03: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:43 AM - static line (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd) 2. 05:07 AM - YAK 52 FOD Prevention Cover (A. Dennis Savarese) 3. 07:22 AM - Re: Utah Yak-52 Crash, NTSB final report (Bob Fitzpatrick) 4. 10:22 AM - Stuff on eBay (czechsix@juno.com) 5. 02:31 PM - help this man!! (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd) 6. 02:54 PM - Re: help this man!! (Brian Lloyd) 7. 03:16 PM - True Colors (cpayne@joimail.com) 8. 03:49 PM - Re: help this man!! (Greg Arnold) 9. 04:03 PM - Re: True Colors (ANDREWS) 10. 04:20 PM - Re: help this man!! (Brian Lloyd) 11. 04:24 PM - Re: help this man!! (Jorgen Nielsen) 12. 04:39 PM - Re: True Colors (David Stroud) 13. 05:00 PM - Re: help this man!! (Jim Ivey) 14. 05:14 PM - Re: True Colors (Doug Sapp) 15. 05:23 PM - Re: help this man!! (Frank Haertlein) 16. 05:55 PM - Re: help this man!! (Ron Davis) 17. 06:38 PM - Re: help this man!! (V35B) 18. 07:06 PM - Re: help this man!! (Greg Arnold) 19. 07:15 PM - Re: help this man!! (Robert Starnes) 20. 07:20 PM - Re: help this man!! (Robert Starnes) 21. 08:11 PM - Re: help this man!! (BUTLER, FRANCIS) 22. 08:15 PM - Re: help this man!! (RV_8 Pilot) 23. 11:21 PM - Re: help this man!! (KevLCo@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:19 AM PST US From: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" Subject: Yak-List: static line --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" we once had an ASI going in reverse, it was a pipe crimped/ bent behind the front panel. regards,, mark J YAK UK. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:47 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Yak-List: YAK 52 FOD Prevention Cover --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" YAK 52 Owners, The FOD Prevention Cover design has been finalized and the first 25 FOD Prevention Cover kits are now in manufacturing and will be available in a few days. The price for the product is $100, plus shipping. The kit will include all materials and instructions necessary to affect a proper installation. Installation time is quite minimal. Once installed, the FOD Prevention Cover is easily removed in less than one minute for access to the rearward most compartment for inspections. If you have not seen this accident report http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_avsafety/documents/page/dft_avsafety_024587.hcsp, take a look and pay particular attention to Figure 2. http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_avsafety/documents/graphic/dft_avsafety_024587-2.jpg If the FOD Prevention Cover would have been in place on this aircraft, it most likely could have prevented this accident. If you are interested in ordering a FOD Prevention Cover kit, please email me off-list at adsavar@gte.net or telephone me directly and I will provide ordering instructions and any additional information you require. Fly safe and happy holidays, Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-2141 office 334-546-8182 cell www.yak-52.com A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-2141 office 334-546-8182 cell www.yak-52.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:18 AM PST US From: Bob Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: Yak-List: Utah Yak-52 Crash, NTSB final report --> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick re. Bellcrank shields Somehow i missed the announcement of these devices and can't find them in archives. Would you gentlemen please review what you have available? TIA. bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Fraser" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Utah Yak-52 Crash, NTSB final report > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" > > Tom Johnson, > Any chance of a significant deduction in insurance if we retrofit the > bellcrank shield devices designed by Marke Jefferies and Dennis Savernase ? > > This accident scenario counts for 5 instances that I know about and > protection is better than an NTSB report any day. > > As you warned the group these aircraft types are being looked at closely > this year and I for one am fitting a shield and a perspex inspection hatch > in the tail cone ( I will post a pattern to the list for those interested in > the pattern. > > Gus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of > MFilucci@aol.com > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Utah Yak-52 Crash, NTSB final report > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com > > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20030124X00102&key=1 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:17 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Stuff on eBay From: czechsix@juno.com --> Yak-List message posted by: czechsix@juno.com Guys, I have a few things on eBay if anyone's interested. If the link doesn't work just search on the item number. If you have questions please contact me OFF LIST. Thanks and Do Not Archive! --Mark Navratil Cedar Rapids, Iowa RV-8A N2D finishing.... Turn Coordinator, item #2447588004 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2447588004 Andair Mini Gascolator, item #2447590842 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2447590842 Bendix Mags, item #2447592770 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2447592770 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:06 PM PST US From: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" Subject: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" This man needs help, he's force landed in the Antarctica and USA + NZ wont give him any fuel...read all at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3306443.stm Best regards Mark Jefferies : Managing director YAK UK Ltd Little Gransden Airfield, Sandy, Beds SG19 3BP, England. ( +44 (0)1767 651156 Office + 651157 fax ( +44 (0)7785 538 317 Mobile : Conditions/ terms of business ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:59 PM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" > > This man needs help, he's force landed in the Antarctica and USA + NZ wont give him any fuel...read all at > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3306443.stm Makes me proud to be an American. It used to be we helped people who needed it. Now we are the world's moral conscience. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax GMT-4 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:38 PM PST US From: cpayne@joimail.com Subject: Yak-List: True Colors --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com So what color is the "True" CJ-6 Green? My airplane paint is starting to look like a camo job with two shades of original paint and three touch up areas I sprayed. For each paint batch I took an original fabric sample direct from China when I got the plane. At that time all of the external markings were sprayed over and what was described as "Trading Company" Green. I rubbed through to find the original markings and replicated them. So now, 8 years later I need a real paint job. Each paint supply shop that put the fabric sample under their computer came up with a different color. Only a hand mixed batch, done by a crusty old timer ever matched. Does anyone have a US color chart number I can reference? Otherwise it's US Olive Drab, kinda what the underlying green looks like. Craig Payne So what color is the "True" CJ-6 Green? My airplane paint is starting to look like a camo job with two shades of original paint and three touch upareas I sprayed. For each paint batch I took an original fabric sample direct from China when I got the plane. At that time all of the external markings were sprayed over and what was described as "Trading Company" Green. Irubbed through to find the original markings and replicated them. So now, 8 years later I need a real paint job. Each paint supplyshop that put the fabric sample under their computer came up with a different color. Only a hand mixed batch, done by a crusty old timer ever matched. Does anyone have a US color chart number I can reference? Otherwise it's US Olive Drab, kinda what the underlying green looks like. Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:24 PM PST US From: "Greg Arnold" Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Arnold" "And we can make arrangements to ship his plane out at his cost," Mr. Sanson said. Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can "make arrangements to ship his plane out his cost" what I wanna know is why can't he make arrangements to give him the some fuel at his cost?... Greg Arnold ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:29 PM PST US From: "ANDREWS" Subject: Re: Yak-List: True Colors --> Yak-List message posted by: "ANDREWS" Craig, I would think you would do the honorable thing and paint it the Marine Green . Don Andrews ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Yak-List: True Colors > --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com > > So what color is the "True" CJ-6 Green? My airplane paint is > starting to look like a camo job with two shades of original > paint and three touch up areas I sprayed. For each paint > batch I took an original fabric sample direct from China > when I got the plane. At that time all of the external > markings were sprayed over and what was described as > "Trading Company" Green. I rubbed through to find the > original markings and replicated them. > > So now, 8 years later I need a real paint job. Each paint > supply shop that put the fabric sample under their computer > came up with a different color. Only a hand mixed batch, > done by a crusty old timer ever matched. Does anyone have a > US color chart number I can reference? Otherwise it's US > Olive Drab, kinda what the underlying green looks like. > Craig Payne > > > So what color is the "True" CJ-6 Green? My airplane > paint is starting to look like a camo job with two shades of original paint and > three touch upareas I sprayed. For each paint batch I took an original > fabric sample direct from China when I got the plane. At that time all of the > external markings were sprayed over and what was described as "Trading Company" > Green. Irubbed through to find the original markings and replicated > them. > > > So now, 8 years later I need a real paint job. Each paint > supplyshop that put the fabric sample under their computer came up with a > different color. Only a hand mixed batch, done by a crusty old timer ever > matched. Does anyone have a US color chart number I can reference? Otherwise > it's US Olive Drab, kinda what the underlying green looks like. > > > Craig Payne > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:10 PM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Greg Arnold wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Arnold" > > "And we can make arrangements to ship his plane out at his cost," Mr. Sanson > said. > > Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can "make arrangements to ship his > plane out his cost" what I wanna know is why can't he make arrangements to > give him the some fuel at his cost?... Silly boy! They are two *completely* different problems. Disassembling, crating, and then shipping an airplane is *much* more sensible than pouring 100 gallons of gas into it and letting its owner fly it away. Hopefully these people will come to their senses. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax GMT-4 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:42 PM PST US From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Subject: RE: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" I read an article some time back about a South African that was flying in the Antartic, they were being refueled from barrels of gas stored in the snow. This they contracted a Russian company to deliver once a year or so - anyone else read that? - it could be the fuel is there that he can use. I remember it was very expensive, but he doesn't need that much. Don't know whether its avgas or jet though. But then I remembered something else...Safair fly out to Antartica as well, so I've just emailed their marketing director the article and suggested that there was some worldwide exposure to be had if they could help Jon out. Jorgen -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd Subject: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" This man needs help, he's force landed in the Antarctica and USA + NZ wont give him any fuel...read all at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3306443.stm Best regards Mark Jefferies : Managing director YAK UK Ltd Little Gransden Airfield, Sandy, Beds SG19 3BP, England. ( +44 (0)1767 651156 Office + 651157 fax ( +44 (0)7785 538 317 Mobile : Conditions/ terms of business ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:12 PM PST US From: "David Stroud" Subject: Re: Yak-List: True Colors --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" Don't know if this helps, Craig, but here's one colour chart.. http://www.aircrafttechsupport.com/paints.htm I used Federal 208 A Olive drab on my Christavia. This one's a Polyfiber product. I highly recommend the services of Dondi and Jim Miller at Aircraft Technical Support. They work hard to keep you happy. The colour sample you see here is not ( at least on my new screen) exactly what it looks like in reality and when you add the flattener, things get skewed even more. They can send a "true colour" chart directly to you. Dave Stroud, Ottawa, Canada Christavia Mk 1 C-FDWS Fairchild 51, early construction ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Yak-List: True Colors > --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com > > So what color is the "True" CJ-6 Green? My airplane paint is > starting to look like a camo job with two shades of original > paint and three touch up areas I sprayed. For each paint > batch I took an original fabric sample direct from China > when I got the plane. At that time all of the external > markings were sprayed over and what was described as > "Trading Company" Green. I rubbed through to find the > original markings and replicated them. > > So now, 8 years later I need a real paint job. Each paint > supply shop that put the fabric sample under their computer > came up with a different color. Only a hand mixed batch, > done by a crusty old timer ever matched. Does anyone have a > US color chart number I can reference? Otherwise it's US > Olive Drab, kinda what the underlying green looks like. > Craig Payne > > > So what color is the "True" CJ-6 Green? My airplane > paint is starting to look like a camo job with two shades of original paint and > three touch upareas I sprayed. For each paint batch I took an original > fabric sample direct from China when I got the plane. At that time all of the > external markings were sprayed over and what was described as "Trading Company" > Green. Irubbed through to find the original markings and replicated > them. > > > So now, 8 years later I need a real paint job. Each paint > supplyshop that put the fabric sample under their computer came up with a > different color. Only a hand mixed batch, done by a crusty old timer ever > matched. Does anyone have a US color chart number I can reference? Otherwise > it's US Olive Drab, kinda what the underlying green looks like. > > > Craig Payne > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:24 PM PST US From: "Jim Ivey" Subject: RE: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" Fellows, fellows. It's all very simple. It's called CYA! If Sanson or the American military folks allow this guy to take off and the guy doesn't make it then they probably think there is some sort of implied liability for facilitating his flight. So it has nothing to do with practicality whatsoever. It doesn't matter if it costs 100 times more to do it their way in the end a bureaucrat can defend his job by doing the "safe" thing. Those Aussie blokes sure have some balls, though, don't they? I appreciate the fellow's sense of independence and adventure. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Arnold > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:49 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Arnold" > > "And we can make arrangements to ship his plane out at his > cost," Mr. Sanson said. > > Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can "make > arrangements to ship his plane out his cost" what I wanna > know is why can't he make arrangements to give him the some > fuel at his cost?... > > Greg Arnold > > > =========== > ============ > Matronics Forums. > ============ > ============ > ============ > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:44 PM PST US From: "Doug Sapp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: True Colors --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" Craig, Your close to correct on the green color, but to make it look correct you must apply it with a #4 barn broom on a windy dusty day. The light refracting off the grooves and lines in the paint will add the necessary optical effect to make it look authentic. Additional help can be obtained by being fortunate enough to have a high silicone content in your airborne dust, everyone knows that Gobi dust is far more desirable than Beijing dust. I plan to leave for China in the spring (have canceled my Dec trip) If I can bring you back any real Chinese dust, just let me know. I do plan to be near the Gobi, so it will be the high quality stuff. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cpayne@joimail.com Subject: Yak-List: True Colors --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com So what color is the "True" CJ-6 Green? My airplane paint is starting to look like a camo job with two shades of original paint and three touch up areas I sprayed. For each paint batch I took an original fabric sample direct from China when I got the plane. At that time all of the external markings were sprayed over and what was described as "Trading Company" Green. I rubbed through to find the original markings and replicated them. So now, 8 years later I need a real paint job. Each paint supply shop that put the fabric sample under their computer came up with a different color. Only a hand mixed batch, done by a crusty old timer ever matched. Does anyone have a US color chart number I can reference? Otherwise it's US Olive Drab, kinda what the underlying green looks like. Craig Payne So what color is the "True" CJ-6 Green? My airplane paint is starting to look like a camo job with two shades of original paint and three touch upareas I sprayed. For each paint batch I took an original fabric sample direct from China when I got the plane. At that time all of the external markings were sprayed over and what was described as "Trading Company" Green. Irubbed through to find the original markings and replicated them. So now, 8 years later I need a real paint job. Each paint supplyshop that put the fabric sample under their computer came up with a different color. Only a hand mixed batch, done by a crusty old timer ever matched. Does anyone have a US color chart number I can reference? Otherwise it's US Olive Drab, kinda what the underlying green looks like. Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:42 PM PST US From: "Frank Haertlein" Subject: RE: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can "make arrangements to ship his plane out at his cost" what I wanna know is why can't he make arrangements to give him the some fuel at his cost?... Greg Arnold Greg........ He said it already.......they don't want to promote tourism in the Antarctic.... Don't you know that now everybody and their dog is going to want to fly over the south pole? We have to keep the endless fields of wind driven snow pristine....untouched by human hands :) HHMMMM sounds like a bunch of bleeding heart liberals to me :) Frank N9110M PS Give him the fuel fer cryin' out loud! = == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == == ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:44 PM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" They spend hundreds of thosands of dollars to rescue yachters in the antarctic sea, they should help him. Although we should at least consider the possibility that they don't have any gas. Nearly all military equipment is diesel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd > > Greg Arnold wrote: > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Arnold" > > > > "And we can make arrangements to ship his plane out at his cost," Mr. Sanson > > said. > > > > Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can "make arrangements to ship his > > plane out his cost" what I wanna know is why can't he make arrangements to > > give him the some fuel at his cost?... > > Silly boy! They are two *completely* different problems. Disassembling, crating, and then shipping an airplane is *much* more sensible than pouring 100 gallons of gas into it and letting its owner fly it away. > > Hopefully these people will come to their senses. > > -- > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax > GMT-4 > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:48 PM PST US From: "V35B" Subject: RE: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" What fool would launch off in a plane to such a place and not know how he was going to get back. The man has no plan. Thank God there are Americans there to pin the blame on!! I vote for the plane in a crate at his expense and a ride home from the NZ people. At least he will be protected from himself this way and his death in the plane won't be blamed on the Americans.... Go Yanks!! MM -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" They spend hundreds of thosands of dollars to rescue yachters in the antarctic sea, they should help him. Although we should at least consider the possibility that they don't have any gas. Nearly all military equipment is diesel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd > > Greg Arnold wrote: > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Arnold" > > > > "And we can make arrangements to ship his plane out at his cost," Mr. Sanson > > said. > > > > Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can "make arrangements to ship his > > plane out his cost" what I wanna know is why can't he make arrangements to > > give him the some fuel at his cost?... > > Silly boy! They are two *completely* different problems. Disassembling, crating, and then shipping an airplane is *much* more sensible than pouring 100 gallons of gas into it and letting its owner fly it away. > > Hopefully these people will come to their senses. > > -- > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201 > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax > GMT-4 > > = == == == == ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:38 PM PST US From: "Greg Arnold" Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Arnold" > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can "make arrangements to ship > his plane out at his cost" what I wanna know is why can't he make > arrangements to give him the some fuel at his cost?... Greg Arnold > > Greg........ > He said it already.......they don't want to promote tourism in the > Antarctic.... > Don't you know that now everybody and their dog is going to want to fly > over the south pole? We have to keep the endless fields of wind driven > snow pristine....untouched by human hands Correction: untouched by human hands, unless those hands have first been government sanctioned and allowed... I guess we can be thankful no bureaucrat was present at Kitty Hawk 100 years ago.. gpa ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:56 PM PST US From: Robert Starnes Subject: RE: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes After reading about the predicament of our intrepid Ozzy aviator, I realize the man below is 100% correct. If it got out that you could just drop in at any old time for a spot of tea and a fillup there'd be all kinds of nuts in their homebuilts dropping out of the sky for free service. Mcmurdo is NOT on any FBO lists that I have looked at.. Imagine if you had a private strip and some guy landed out of the blue and demanded you sell him gas just cause he needed some.... There is a very clear message being sent here. Only excuse the guy has is if maybe he encountered strong winds or something preventing him from making his regular fuel stop, who knows what the situation really is... --- V35B wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" > > > What fool would launch off in a plane to such a > place and not know how > he was going to get back. The man has no plan. > Thank God there are > Americans there to pin the blame on!! > > I vote for the plane in a crate at his expense and a > ride home from the > NZ people. At least he will be protected from > himself this way and his > death in the plane won't be blamed on the > Americans.... > > Go Yanks!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Ron Davis > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > > > They spend hundreds of thosands of dollars to rescue > yachters in the > antarctic sea, they should help him. > > Although we should at least consider the possibility > that they don't > have > any gas. Nearly all military equipment is diesel. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Lloyd" > To: > Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd > > > > > Greg Arnold wrote: > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Arnold" > > > > > > > "And we can make arrangements to ship his plane > out at his cost," > Mr. > Sanson > > > said. > > > > > > Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can > "make arrangements to > ship > his > > > plane out his cost" what I wanna know is why > can't he make > arrangements > to > > > give him the some fuel at his cost?... > > > > Silly boy! They are two *completely* different > problems. > Disassembling, > crating, and then shipping an airplane is *much* > more sensible than > pouring > 100 gallons of gas into it and letting its owner fly > it away. > > > > Hopefully these people will come to their senses. > > > > -- > > > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red > Hook Plaza, Suite > 201 > > brian@lloyd.com St. > Thomas, VI 00802 > > +1.340.998.9447 - voice > +1.360.838.9669 - fax > > GMT-4 > > > > > > > > == > == > == > == > > > > Click on the > this > generous > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > __________________________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:08 PM PST US From: Robert Starnes Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes I stand corrected, He did encounter strong headwinds. They should indeed try to help him out of there. Wonder how long it takes the boat to sail over with a few barrels of 100LL? --- Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK > UK Ltd" > > This man needs help, he's force landed in the > Antarctica and USA + NZ wont give him any > fuel...read all at > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3306443.stm > > > Best regards > Mark Jefferies > > : Managing director YAK UK Ltd > Little Gransden Airfield, Sandy, Beds SG19 3BP, > England. > ( +44 (0)1767 651156 Office + 651157 fax > ( +44 (0)7785 538 317 Mobile > : Conditions/ terms of business > > > > Click on the > this > generous > _-> > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > __________________________________ http://photos.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:36 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: help this man!! From: "BUTLER, FRANCIS" --> Yak-List message posted by: "BUTLER, FRANCIS" If I had to put a plane down in Antartica, I would be more than happy with a warm bed and a ride home. He's lucky he's getting that much. If you can't afford the result of being stupid, you should stay at home. F.Butler Yak 50 RV8 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:32 PM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: RE: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" Assuming you're not being sarcastic, "MM", I recommend you read the entire article and maybe a little more on Mr Johanson. He's travelled across the world extensively in his "little homebuilt". It's not about anyone being concerned about the man's safety or the cost of the fuel... It's the arrogance of the a$$e$ working on our dime down there cataloging bacteria and lichens being more concerned about the condition of the ice than human interests. Bryan Jones Pearland, Texas >From: "V35B" >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Yak-List: help this man!! >Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:35:58 -0500 > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" > >What fool would launch off in a plane to such a place and not know how >he was going to get back. The man has no plan. Thank God there are >Americans there to pin the blame on!! > >I vote for the plane in a crate at his expense and a ride home from the >NZ people. At least he will be protected from himself this way and his >death in the plane won't be blamed on the Americans.... > >Go Yanks!! > >MM > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis >To: yak-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > >They spend hundreds of thosands of dollars to rescue yachters in the >antarctic sea, they should help him. > >Although we should at least consider the possibility that they don't >have >any gas. Nearly all military equipment is diesel. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Lloyd" >To: >Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd > > > > Greg Arnold wrote: > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Arnold" > > > > > > > "And we can make arrangements to ship his plane out at his cost," >Mr. >Sanson > > > said. > > > > > > Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can "make arrangements to >ship >his > > > plane out his cost" what I wanna know is why can't he make >arrangements >to > > > give him the some fuel at his cost?... > > > > Silly boy! They are two *completely* different problems. >Disassembling, >crating, and then shipping an airplane is *much* more sensible than >pouring >100 gallons of gas into it and letting its owner fly it away. > > > > Hopefully these people will come to their senses. > > > > -- > > > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite >201 > > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 > > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax > > GMT-4 > > > > > > >>== >== >== >== > > Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:30 PM PST US From: KevLCo@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!! --> Yak-List message posted by: KevLCo@aol.com How does a guy with three trips around this rock, in that little airplane, end up in that predicament? I am amazed at his acomplishments, but further more amazed at the gamble taken (and lost). And besides, I'm not sure that the US military keeps stock of 100LL, or any of it's close cousins, since the 80's. I wonder, what was the last piston military aircraft in use? My vote is the T-28, but that's only because I've got one in pieces on the hangar floor. Merry Christmas! Kevin