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1. 12:22 AM - Re: Static Air Problem ? (Stuart Mackereth)
2. 02:42 AM - Re: help this man!! (V35B)
3. 03:14 AM - Re: help this man!! (Ernie)
4. 04:19 AM - More True Colors (cpayne@joimail.com)
5. 04:42 AM - Re: help this man!! (Brian Lloyd)
6. 05:01 AM - Re: help this man!! (Brian Lloyd)
7. 05:53 AM - Re: help this man!! (Brian Lloyd)
8. 06:36 AM - Last Piston airplane to be used. (Tim Gagnon)
9. 09:37 AM - Re: help this man!! (Bill Halverson)
10. 12:51 PM - Re: help this man!! (Ron Davis)
11. 12:55 PM - Re: help this man!! (Ron Davis)
12. 12:59 PM - Re: help this man!! (Ron Davis)
13. 01:35 PM - Re: help this man!! (Michael Mermigas)
14. 03:52 PM - Stuck on the ice. (Tim Gagnon)
15. 04:11 PM - Re: True Colors (Yakjock)
16. 04:24 PM - Re: help this man!! (egon)
17. 04:55 PM - Eaglet Mods (cpayne@joimail.com)
18. 05:27 PM - help (cjpilot710@aol.com)
19. 08:37 PM - Waycross, GA formation clinic (cjpilot710@aol.com)
20. 10:13 PM - help this man!! (Frank Haertlein)
21. 11:04 PM - An update in the SC region (Drew Blahnick)
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| Subject: | Static Air Problem ? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
I have a special ASI which is meaured in feet.. Hehe.. Just kidding,
thanks for the advice, will check it out tonight!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Static Air Problem ?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Yep! I did. How does and ASI drop 100 feet? Do you mean your
altimeter? If so, you have a static system leak. Your ASI, VSI and
Altimeter should all be affected when you open/close the canopy. Look
for the two rubber hoses behind the rear seat that went to the flight
recorder. One will be connected to a white metal tube (static) and the
other to a black metal tube (pitot). Most likely one or both are
unplugged. When the flight recorder is removed, some people forget to
plug these lines and your symptoms are precisely what you see as the
result. Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Static Air Problem ?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth"
<stuart@bramptonyork.com>
>
> Hrm.. discovered that my ASI drops a hundred feet or so when opening
> the canopy.. I remember a thread on this problem not so long ago ..
> Dennis was it you? Any pointers on where to start. Thanks.
>
> Stuart
> Yak52
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
> Martinez
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Prop Balancing
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernest Martinez"
> --> <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Has anyone ever had the prop on the Housai dynamically balanced??
>
> Ernie
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
All the more reason for him to accept responsibility for his own
actions. He is no better than anyone else. Did he make prior
arrangements to land there?
Sounds like he is in a place now where someone else is in charge and
makes the rules. Probably best he follow them....
MM
Assuming you're not being sarcastic, "MM", I recommend you read the
entire
article and maybe a little more on Mr Johanson. He's travelled across
the
world extensively in his "little homebuilt".
It's not about anyone being concerned about the man's safety or the cost
of
the fuel... It's the arrogance of the a$$e$ working on our dime down
there
cataloging bacteria and lichens being more concerned about the condition
of
the ice than human interests.
Bryan Jones
Pearland, Texas
>MM
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!!
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
>They spend hundreds of thosands of dollars to rescue yachters in the
>antarctic sea, they should help him.
>
>Although we should at least consider the possibility that they don't
>have
>any gas. Nearly all military equipment is diesel.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!!
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> >
> > Greg Arnold wrote:
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Arnold"
><catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
> > >
> > > "And we can make arrangements to ship his plane out at his cost,"
>Mr.
>Sanson
> > > said.
> > >
> > > Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can "make arrangements
to
>ship
>his
> > > plane out his cost" what I wanna know is why can't he make
>arrangements
>to
> > > give him the some fuel at his cost?...
> >
> > Silly boy! They are two *completely* different problems.
>Disassembling,
>crating, and then shipping an airplane is *much* more sensible than
>pouring
>100 gallons of gas into it and letting its owner fly it away.
> >
> > Hopefully these people will come to their senses.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite
>201
> > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> > GMT-4
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: help this man!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
And this all has WHAT to do with CJ's and Yaks?????
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: help this man!!
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
>
> All the more reason for him to accept responsibility for his own
> actions. He is no better than anyone else. Did he make prior
> arrangements to land there?
> Sounds like he is in a place now where someone else is in charge and
> makes the rules. Probably best he follow them....
>
> MM
>
>
> Assuming you're not being sarcastic, "MM", I recommend you read the
> entire
> article and maybe a little more on Mr Johanson. He's travelled across
> the
> world extensively in his "little homebuilt".
>
> It's not about anyone being concerned about the man's safety or the cost
> of
> the fuel... It's the arrogance of the a$$e$ working on our dime down
> there
> cataloging bacteria and lichens being more concerned about the condition
> of
> the ice than human interests.
>
> Bryan Jones
> Pearland, Texas
>
>
> >MM
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!!
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> >They spend hundreds of thosands of dollars to rescue yachters in the
> >antarctic sea, they should help him.
> >
> >Although we should at least consider the possibility that they don't
> >have
> >any gas. Nearly all military equipment is diesel.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> >To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!!
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> > >
> > > Greg Arnold wrote:
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Arnold"
> ><catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
> > > >
> > > > "And we can make arrangements to ship his plane out at his cost,"
> >Mr.
> >Sanson
> > > > said.
> > > >
> > > > Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can "make arrangements
> to
> >ship
> >his
> > > > plane out his cost" what I wanna know is why can't he make
> >arrangements
> >to
> > > > give him the some fuel at his cost?...
> > >
> > > Silly boy! They are two *completely* different problems.
> >Disassembling,
> >crating, and then shipping an airplane is *much* more sensible than
> >pouring
> >100 gallons of gas into it and letting its owner fly it away.
> > >
> > > Hopefully these people will come to their senses.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite
> >201
> > > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> > > GMT-4
> > >
> > >
> >
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| Subject: | More True Colors |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
<META NAME="GENERATOR" Content="Microsoft DHTML Editing
Control">
Thanks to those whom made a sincere effort at help with
indentifying whatis closest to"CJ Green". Doug
may actually be on to
something, my CJ was delivered with about 1" of dust inside,
reportedly from
Northern China. Even though Iflooded the insides with
hot water and
vacumned numerous times, some remains.
My previous touchups were done rigorously in the Chinese
Method: on the ramp
in the AM, drying slowly in the afternoon dusty winds,
collecting insect
specimensas well. However Florida has what Pappy calls
"Sugar Sand"
instead of dust. It is much too white and lacks that Gobi
Gray quality.
Thanks, Don, for the Marine Green suggestion. The problem
is that True Marine
Green isdetermined by the amount of "salt" in your
uniform. "Salt" is a
measure of long deployments, time at sea on "cruises", San
Diego/Pendleton Salt
or Camp Lejune Salt, number of barfights, etc. Very
difficult color to spec.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: help this man!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Ron Davis wrote:
> Although we should at least consider the possibility that they don't have
> any gas. Nearly all military equipment is diesel.
And aviation fuel there is most likely Jet-A.
I suspect they have snowmobiles that run on mogas and mogas would work just fine
in this instance.
But the key point is to let him pay for his fuel. $10/gallon or more? Seems reasonable
to me. Sometimes opportunity costs a lot when you are between a rock
and a hard place. It would even be reasonable to have him foot the bill to
send a new shipment of mogas out there if he had to tap into their stocks.
When I flew my Comanche to the Paris Airshow and back again I made sure I had enough
fuel to overfly Greenland. Why? $6/gal and you had to buy it in lots of
55gal whether you needed the whole 55gal or not. And that was back in '85.
You can imagine the price now!
I understand that snowmobiles in Narsarsuaq mostly run on 100LL because partial
barrels of 100LL are free to the natives. :
)
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: help this man!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
V35B wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
>
> What fool would launch off in a plane to such a place and not know how
> he was going to get back. The man has no plan.
I guess you don't know much about Jon. He has three circumnavigations in his RV-4
under his belt already. He definitely has a plan. He wasn't going to Antartica.
He was crossing from NZ to South America and ran into excessive headwinds
that would have eliminated his reserves. He opted for a precautionary landing
in Antartica rather than ditch in the ocean. Sometimes even the best of
planning (and Jon does plan -- extensively) goes awry from bad information.
> Thank God there are Americans there to pin the blame on!!
As a citizen of the United States and an active participant in the political process,
I feel I have a right to criticize. When CYA is more important than "help
someone in need" I tend to take umbrage.
BTW, Canadians and Mexicans are Americans too.
> I vote for the plane in a crate at his expense and a ride home from the
> NZ people. At least he will be protected from himself this way and his
> death in the plane won't be blamed on the Americans....
Perhaps you should read about Jon on Van's Aircraft website. See:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/jj-persn.htm
The story is a good one. After you have read about Jon perhaps you will lighten
up just a little. I sincerly doubt that either your resolve or your balls are
even 1/4 the size of his. Thank God there are still people like Jon around.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: help this man!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
V35B wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
>
> All the more reason for him to accept responsibility for his own
> actions. He is no better than anyone else. Did he make prior
> arrangements to land there?
> Sounds like he is in a place now where someone else is in charge and
> makes the rules. Probably best he follow them....
Rules are made to be broken. ;-) If people didn't break the rules we would have
no progress.
Have you ever been in a bind in spite of all of your planning? Perhaps a part
broke on your aircraft requiring an unplanned landing or weather directed you
to someplace you didn't plan to be. I know it has happened to me and it will
undoubtedly happen again. I have been fortunate that, wherever I ended up, people
went out of their way to help me. I have slept in beds belonging to strangers
and driven their cars. I repay them by helping others who find themselves
in a similar predicament (pay it forward). It always seems to work out just
fine.
Hospitality is revered around the world over, even more so where the world is not
particularly hospitable. It is too bad that the people in charge at McMurdo
Sound seem to have forgotten this.
And Ernie, this has to do with Yaks and CJs by dint of having to do with flying.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Last Piston airplane to be used. |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:35:43 -0500
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Actually there are a few piston airplanes still in use. The Predator RPV (does
that count?) and the Slingsby T-3, although I think they have discontinued its
use after a rash of accidents. The USAF Academy is a few piston airplanes as
well. I wont even mention the hundreds of airplanes in the military aeroclubs
or the Civil Air Patrol.
As far as their being 100LL on Antartica, I doubt it.
Tim
Yak-50
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| Subject: | Re: help this man!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Halverson <william@netpros.net>
The article on Van's web site says British Petroleum is one of his sponsors
... so hopefully they will not abandon him now ... the exact wording is:
"The big coup was getting British Petroleum on board... BP, showing a bit
of corporate fortitude, agreed to furnish the fuel or pay it in places
where BP was not available."
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/jj-plane.htm
Bill Halverson
At 05:01 AM 12/11/2003, Brian Lloyd wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
>V35B wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
> >
> > What fool would launch off in a plane to such a place and not know how
> > he was going to get back. The man has no plan.
>
>I guess you don't know much about Jon. He has three circumnavigations in
>his RV-4 under his belt already. He definitely has a plan. He wasn't
>going to Antartica. He was crossing from NZ to South America and ran into
>excessive headwinds that would have eliminated his reserves. He opted for
>a precautionary landing in Antartica rather than ditch in the
>ocean. Sometimes even the best of planning (and Jon does plan --
>extensively) goes awry from bad information.
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| Subject: | Re: help this man!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
I think the elements would prevent most of the nuts from getting there to
ask for gas. Only the lucky nuts would make it that far. Even getting to
Tierra Del Fuego to start would take a lot of skill/planning/luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Starnes" <a35plt@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: help this man!!
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
>
> After reading about the predicament of our intrepid
> Ozzy aviator, I realize the man below is 100% correct.
> If it got out that you could just drop in at any old
> time for a spot of tea and a fillup there'd be all
> kinds of nuts in their homebuilts dropping out of the
> sky for free service. Mcmurdo is NOT on any FBO lists
> that I have looked at.. Imagine if you had a private
> strip and some guy landed out of the blue and demanded
> you sell him gas just cause he needed some.... There
> is a very clear message being sent here. Only excuse
> the guy has is if maybe he encountered strong winds or
> something preventing him from making his regular fuel
> stop, who knows what the situation really is...
>
> --- V35B <n1628w@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B"
> > <n1628w@hotmail.com>
> >
> > What fool would launch off in a plane to such a
> > place and not know how
> > he was going to get back. The man has no plan.
> > Thank God there are
> > Americans there to pin the blame on!!
> >
> > I vote for the plane in a crate at his expense and a
> > ride home from the
> > NZ people. At least he will be protected from
> > himself this way and his
> > death in the plane won't be blamed on the
> > Americans....
> >
> > Go Yanks!!
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On
> > Behalf Of Ron Davis
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!!
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
> > <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> > They spend hundreds of thosands of dollars to rescue
> > yachters in the
> > antarctic sea, they should help him.
> >
> > Although we should at least consider the possibility
> > that they don't
> > have
> > any gas. Nearly all military equipment is diesel.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!!
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd
> > <brian@lloyd.com>
> > >
> > > Greg Arnold wrote:
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Arnold"
> > <catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
> > > >
> > > > "And we can make arrangements to ship his plane
> > out at his cost,"
> > Mr.
> > Sanson
> > > > said.
> > > >
> > > > Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can
> > "make arrangements to
> > ship
> > his
> > > > plane out his cost" what I wanna know is why
> > can't he make
> > arrangements
> > to
> > > > give him the some fuel at his cost?...
> > >
> > > Silly boy! They are two *completely* different
> > problems.
> > Disassembling,
> > crating, and then shipping an airplane is *much*
> > more sensible than
> > pouring
> > 100 gallons of gas into it and letting its owner fly
> > it away.
> > >
> > > Hopefully these people will come to their senses.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
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> > Hook Plaza, Suite
> > 201
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| Subject: | Re: help this man!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
As I understand the treaties, Antarctica belongs to all mankind rather than
some particular nation. Just who do you think one might permission of to
land there? It is probably the same person we ask to use an ocean or the
moon.
----- Original Message -----
From: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: help this man!!
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
>
> All the more reason for him to accept responsibility for his own
> actions. He is no better than anyone else. Did he make prior
> arrangements to land there?
> Sounds like he is in a place now where someone else is in charge and
> makes the rules. Probably best he follow them....
>
> MM
>
>
> Assuming you're not being sarcastic, "MM", I recommend you read the
> entire
> article and maybe a little more on Mr Johanson. He's travelled across
> the
> world extensively in his "little homebuilt".
>
> It's not about anyone being concerned about the man's safety or the cost
> of
> the fuel... It's the arrogance of the a$$e$ working on our dime down
> there
> cataloging bacteria and lichens being more concerned about the condition
> of
> the ice than human interests.
>
> Bryan Jones
> Pearland, Texas
>
>
> >MM
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!!
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> >They spend hundreds of thosands of dollars to rescue yachters in the
> >antarctic sea, they should help him.
> >
> >Although we should at least consider the possibility that they don't
> >have
> >any gas. Nearly all military equipment is diesel.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
> >To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!!
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> > >
> > > Greg Arnold wrote:
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Arnold"
> ><catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
> > > >
> > > > "And we can make arrangements to ship his plane out at his cost,"
> >Mr.
> >Sanson
> > > > said.
> > > >
> > > > Well if a government hack like Mr. Sanson can "make arrangements
> to
> >ship
> >his
> > > > plane out his cost" what I wanna know is why can't he make
> >arrangements
> >to
> > > > give him the some fuel at his cost?...
> > >
> > > Silly boy! They are two *completely* different problems.
> >Disassembling,
> >crating, and then shipping an airplane is *much* more sensible than
> >pouring
> >100 gallons of gas into it and letting its owner fly it away.
> > >
> > > Hopefully these people will come to their senses.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite
> >201
> > > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> > > GMT-4
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: help this man!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Also worth mentioning is that the Aussie Navy has rescued a number of
American (and other) yachtmen that encountered difficulties at the bottom of
the world. They whine about the cost, but they have done repeatly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!!
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> V35B wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
> >
> > What fool would launch off in a plane to such a place and not know how
> > he was going to get back. The man has no plan.
>
> I guess you don't know much about Jon. He has three circumnavigations in
his RV-4 under his belt already. He definitely has a plan. He wasn't going
to Antartica. He was crossing from NZ to South America and ran into
excessive headwinds that would have eliminated his reserves. He opted for a
precautionary landing in Antartica rather than ditch in the ocean.
Sometimes even the best of planning (and Jon does plan -- extensively) goes
awry from bad information.
>
> > Thank God there are Americans there to pin the blame on!!
>
> As a citizen of the United States and an active participant in the
political process, I feel I have a right to criticize. When CYA is more
important than "help someone in need" I tend to take umbrage.
>
> BTW, Canadians and Mexicans are Americans too.
>
> > I vote for the plane in a crate at his expense and a ride home from the
> > NZ people. At least he will be protected from himself this way and his
> > death in the plane won't be blamed on the Americans....
>
> Perhaps you should read about Jon on Van's Aircraft website. See:
>
> http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/jj-persn.htm
>
> The story is a good one. After you have read about Jon perhaps you will
lighten up just a little. I sincerly doubt that either your resolve or your
balls are even 1/4 the size of his. Thank God there are still people like
Jon around.
>
> --
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> GMT-4
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: help this man!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Michael Mermigas" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
This is not an US vs them situation...
The PIC is responisble for the outcome of the flight. The hosts in this
situation have no responsiblity to cater to his whims... BTW I'd rather
have my 1/4 size balls and be alive than have Jon's and try to treat
death...
MM
>From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!!
>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:59:32 -0700
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
>Also worth mentioning is that the Aussie Navy has rescued a number of
>American (and other) yachtmen that encountered difficulties at the bottom
>of
>the world. They whine about the cost, but they have done repeatly.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian@lloyd.com>
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: help this man!!
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> >
> > V35B wrote:
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "V35B" <n1628w@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > What fool would launch off in a plane to such a place and not know how
> > > he was going to get back. The man has no plan.
> >
> > I guess you don't know much about Jon. He has three circumnavigations
>in
>his RV-4 under his belt already. He definitely has a plan. He wasn't
>going
>to Antartica. He was crossing from NZ to South America and ran into
>excessive headwinds that would have eliminated his reserves. He opted for
>a
>precautionary landing in Antartica rather than ditch in the ocean.
>Sometimes even the best of planning (and Jon does plan -- extensively) goes
>awry from bad information.
> >
> > > Thank God there are Americans there to pin the blame on!!
> >
> > As a citizen of the United States and an active participant in the
>political process, I feel I have a right to criticize. When CYA is more
>important than "help someone in need" I tend to take umbrage.
> >
> > BTW, Canadians and Mexicans are Americans too.
> >
> > > I vote for the plane in a crate at his expense and a ride home from
>the
> > > NZ people. At least he will be protected from himself this way and
>his
> > > death in the plane won't be blamed on the Americans....
> >
> > Perhaps you should read about Jon on Van's Aircraft website. See:
> >
> > http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/jj-persn.htm
> >
> > The story is a good one. After you have read about Jon perhaps you will
>lighten up just a little. I sincerly doubt that either your resolve or
>your
>balls are even 1/4 the size of his. Thank God there are still people like
>Jon around.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
> > brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > +1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
> > GMT-4
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Stuck on the ice. |
Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:52:26 -0500
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Actually there are a few piston airplanes still in use. The Predator RPV (does
that count?) and the Slingsby T-3, although I think they have discontinued its
use after a rash of accidents. The USAF Academy is a few piston airplanes as
well. I wont even mention the hundreds of airplanes in the military aeroclubs
or the Civil Air Patrol.
As far as their being 100LL on Antartica, I doubt it.
Tim
Yak-50
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Craig,
It's not just the colors that matter, but the style of application. As I understand
it, traditional colors are green on top, blue on the bottom -- all painted
on with a broom.
Surely Uncle Sam's Misguided Children, Inc. provided you with the technical training
for the task?
Hal Morley
CJ-6A "8"
"Hana Ho!" 70%
(503) 704-6559 cell
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| Subject: | Re: help this man!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "egon" <egon@hinet.net.au>
M.M. I will sleep better tonight knowing that you understand the responsibilities
of a PIC. I am glad there are not too many people like you squashing what little
pioneering spirit is left in the world today.
Cheers.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
<META NAME="GENERATOR" Content="Microsoft DHTML Editing
Control">
Well, I just got the Eaglet brochure forwarded from my
old address in IL. I presume most of this is old news to
CJ'ers but I went to
their web site <A
href="http://www.eaglet.com.cn">www.eaglet.com.cn and
noticed that most of the promised mod kits aren't available
yet, such as drop
tanks. No prices either.
It was also interesting to convert their preformance
specs for the CJ-6G into
units of measure I'm familiar with: "Operating Ceiling" at
28,536 ft. "Chicago
Center, Nanchang xyz with you at FL 280 over Badger, request
direct to MTW". I
also presume that takeoff was at what they call normal
weight: 3417 lbs.
Max speed was listed as 353 KPH, that's 187 kts true. So
will somebody
pleasebring their CJ-6G with 3-blade metal prop and
400 HP engineto
SNF and beat me in the Sun 60 race?Will anyone gimme
odds?
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Hey! Does anyone out there have Drew Blahnick cell phone number or home
number???. OR Drew, call me please.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Waycross, GA formation clinic |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
OK. Guys,
We're going to have our first RPA South East formation clinic AYS (Waycross,
GA.)
Date is January 15 to 18.
Right now I have 6 "instructors" who are planning or want to come.
No checkpilot yet.
I'd like to have 6 to 8 "FNG's" So first come first served - however - we
may - REPEAT- may beadle to fit a person in. I will be trying to run a fairly
tight syllabus with what instructors who are able to come. Please understand
that. If nothing being there is always a learning experience.
A ground school (about 3 hr.) will be given in the afternoon and again the
next morning for late arrivals. If we're not able to get a Checkpilot, THOSE
WHO QUALIFY will still get a recommendation for a check ride.
RPA charges $75.00 to members. (All study materials) $85.00 to non-RPA
members.
AYS has a 12 passenger van they will let us use a no cost. Other
transportation is at your expense.
Craig Payne is checking local hotels for special rates. Listed prices right
now run from $47.00 to $57.00/night. All hotels are less than :10 from the
airport.
Other FAST members are welcome to join us. If they are already wing or lead
rated, they excempt from fees.
FNGs contact me off list.
Home (386-467-3313).
After Dec 15th to Jan. 2 (302-764-4509).
Cell. (386-503-9820)
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Egon
Hold on a minute here :) MM is into YAK's. He must have some pioneering
spirit in him :)
If he didn't he'd be flying a spam can :) God Forbid! Yak 52's are for
real men...yank, crank, bank...hehehehe.
Frank
N9110M
PS.. Why are you standing up-side down.....you wanker? Come on up north
here and be right-side up :)
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| Subject: | An update in the SC region |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Folks,
Just got back from the ICAS convention, beyond all the class room instruction and
other aspects of the convention, I thought I should mention the following:
The First Annual ICAS National CRUD Championship Tournament was held at this year
at the Dallas Convention. And the winning team was:
"The Red Menace"
Drew Blahnick, Greg Medford, and two barrowed USAF Officers (event organizers from
military base shows). We finally finished the tournament with a 2 to 1 visctory
over a very tough Canadian Snowbird Team.
You can see a picture of the trophy at www.flyredstar.org, click on ICAS 2003. The full RPA web opens shortly by the way.
"Team Red" (Terry Calloway and friends) won "Best Performer Video" (who would
guess?)
"Russian Thunder" (Eric Beard) won best performer website. Eric is a new member
of the RPA but has been flying airshows professionally for over 12 years. He
is one of the few that fly the Yak 54 in the airshow circuit. He's a NW member.
Drew
Drew Blahnick
RedStar Pilots Assoc.
310.872.0754
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