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1. 12:28 AM - Re: Louvers for Yak 52's and CJ6's "To have or not to have" that is the question (Boyd Braem)
2. 01:45 AM - CJ smoke systems (Jay McIntyre)
3. 04:56 AM - Re: Louvers for Yak 52's and CJ6's "To have or not to have" that is the question (Rick Basiliere)
4. 05:49 AM - Louvers... (Tim Gagnon)
5. 06:44 AM - Yak-52M (scott.huff@aivia.aero)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: Yak-52M (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 07:07 AM - Re: Yak-52M (Stuart Mackereth)
8. 07:08 AM - Re: Yak-52M (Stuart Mackereth)
9. 07:27 AM - Re: CJ smoke systems (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 08:10 AM - Merry Christmas (cjpilot710@aol.com)
11. 08:34 AM - Yak 52M photo/data (gpa)
12. 08:44 AM - Re: Louvers... (Doug Sapp)
13. 08:51 AM - Yak 52M (gpa)
14. 09:10 AM - Re: Louvers for Yak 52's and CJ6's "To have or not to have" that is the question (gpa)
15. 09:32 AM - Re: Louvers for Yak 52's and CJ6's "To have or not to have" that is the question (jay reiter)
16. 10:16 AM - Re: Merry Christmas (Jorgen Nielsen)
17. 09:10 PM - Re: louvers (Yakjock)
18. 09:57 PM - Re: louvers (Bruce Campbell)
19. 10:13 PM - Re: louvers (Sam Sax)
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| Subject: | Re: Louvers for Yak 52's and CJ6's "To have or not to have" |
that is the question
--> Yak-List message posted by: Boyd Braem <bcbraem@comcast.net>
Well, Jesus, that's what you do when you want a new prop (insurance
pays, I would hope).
Boyd.
On Monday, December 15, 2003, at 02:46 AM, Stuart Mackereth wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth"
> <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
>
> Yep, this happened to me just the other day.. the gills blew closed in
> the circuit, and interestingly I noticed the CHT's shoot up into deep
> red before noticing any change in the Oil Temps? And they dropped back
> very quickly when reopening the gills. Preflight, preflight,
> preflight...
>
> On another note, an acquaintence had a gear up on this last weekend in
> his 52 .. and he's looking for paddles (without the hub), if anyone has
> anyone has any old ones lying about (after your MT upgrade, of course)
> or any good prices, plz contact me off list. Tks
>
> [I was there at the scene, and was quite amazed at how well the gear up
> landing system works! No loss of control at all - and a nice shower of
> sparks from the flaps!]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Louvers for Yak 52's and CJ6's "To have or not to
> have" that is the question
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> The new Yak 52TW DOES NOT have louvers mostly due for the WWII look of
> the airframe. What it does have is gills in the back of the cowling
> exits to act as cowl flaps. This has worked for the 52TW and for other
> Russian radial engines. The standard louvers of a Yak 52 still work
> better than even the cowl flaps on a Yak 52TW. The key idea is if you
> have louvers....KEEP THEM ON and maintain them often. They are
> important
> both in cold and warm conditions.
>
> Maintain your friction control also, if it were to loosen in flight,
> the
> control can creep back and close the gills causing the oil temp to
> reach
> dangerous conditions. I have seen this happen. The friction lock is
> critical to precise engine temp control.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mark "SHREK" Schrick
> Aerostar Western Region Dealer of Yak 52TW &
> Fully overhauled Yak's, "We help you meet your budget"
>
> YAK Driver, Inc
> 966 Wallace Drive
> San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
> Hm/Fax (408) 323-5150
> Cell (408) 391-6664
> Email schrick@pacbell.net
> Website www.YAKDRIVER.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: louvers
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 13, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server
> wrote:
>
>> PSS, I'm not flying right now due to lack of gill louvers.
>
> I've seen 3 or 4 Yak/CJ's without the louvers and just scratched my
> head. There's usually sound engineering principals behind major
> systems
>
> in an airplane...right? The Russians might be, well, Russian, but they
> ain't dumb. If they weren't necessary then I would think
> some newer aircraft (Yak-52TW) would go without a way to control CHT.
>
> But hey, if you only want to fly when it's warm......
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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Boyd.
RV-Super 6
Venice, FL
do not archive
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| Subject: | CJ smoke systems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
Hi all... This has probably been discussed before, but afew of us down here in
NZ are looking to fit smoke tanks to our CJ's . Rather than re-invent the wheel
I thought I would canvas those of you who have already done so.
Specifically, where did you fit the tank? What size tank did you use? What did
you use to move the smoke oil from the tank? Anyone out there used the aircraft
pneumatic system to do this (much like drop tanks)???
Any advise/suggestions would be much appreciated.
And for any Aussie operators listening/lurking out there, let me know if you would
be interested as the greater the number the lower the price
<EM>Regards, Jay</EM>
P.S. see you at Classic Fighters 2005!
<A href="http://www.classicfighters.co.nz/">www.classicfighters.co.nz
Surf the net and talk on the phone with <a href="http://g.msn.com/8HMBENNZ/2737??PS=">Xtra Jetstream @ http://www.xtra.co.nz/jetstream
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| Subject: | Louvers for Yak 52's and CJ6's "To have or not to have" |
that is the question
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
I'd sell one of my freshly OH'd MTV-3-250 so I could upgrade the Sukhoi.
Contact me off list if you would like. Rick B
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stuart
Mackereth
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Louvers for Yak 52's and CJ6's "To have or not to
have" that is the question
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
Yep, this happened to me just the other day.. the gills blew closed in
the circuit, and interestingly I noticed the CHT's shoot up into deep
red before noticing any change in the Oil Temps? And they dropped back
very quickly when reopening the gills. Preflight, preflight,
preflight...
On another note, an acquaintence had a gear up on this last weekend in
his 52 .. and he's looking for paddles (without the hub), if anyone has
anyone has any old ones lying about (after your MT upgrade, of course)
or any good prices, plz contact me off list. Tks
[I was there at the scene, and was quite amazed at how well the gear up
landing system works! No loss of control at all - and a nice shower of
sparks from the flaps!]
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Subject: Yak-List: Louvers for Yak 52's and CJ6's "To have or not to
have" that is the question
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
The new Yak 52TW DOES NOT have louvers mostly due for the WWII look of
the airframe. What it does have is gills in the back of the cowling
exits to act as cowl flaps. This has worked for the 52TW and for other
Russian radial engines. The standard louvers of a Yak 52 still work
better than even the cowl flaps on a Yak 52TW. The key idea is if you
have louvers....KEEP THEM ON and maintain them often. They are important
both in cold and warm conditions.
Maintain your friction control also, if it were to loosen in flight, the
control can creep back and close the gills causing the oil temp to reach
dangerous conditions. I have seen this happen. The friction lock is
critical to precise engine temp control.
Good luck,
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
Aerostar Western Region Dealer of Yak 52TW &
Fully overhauled Yak's, "We help you meet your budget"
YAK Driver, Inc
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax (408) 323-5150
Cell (408) 391-6664
Email schrick@pacbell.net
Website www.YAKDRIVER.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: louvers
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Saturday, December 13, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server
wrote:
> PSS, I'm not flying right now due to lack of gill louvers.
I've seen 3 or 4 Yak/CJ's without the louvers and just scratched my
head. There's usually sound engineering principals behind major systems
in an airplane...right? The Russians might be, well, Russian, but they
ain't dumb. If they weren't necessary then I would think
some newer aircraft (Yak-52TW) would go without a way to control CHT.
But hey, if you only want to fly when it's warm......
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
You could always install an Iris! We are on the -50!
Tim
Yak-50
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--> Yak-List message posted by: scott.huff@aivia.aero
I was browsing photos of Yaks on www.airliners.net and stumbled across a
picture of a Yak-52M. I will post the photo to the share for everyone's
enjoyment. Any listers out there have information on this variant? Is this a
one-off model or possibly a proof-of-concept for future production?
Looks like it is sporting a side hinged bubble canopy & ejection seats. Also,
it appears as if the main landing gear retracts inward, possibly flush with the
bottom of the wing like the CJ. I assume this particular variant has the 400hp
engine as well.
Thanks in advance for any information.
Regards,
Scott Huff
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I believe I read that according to recent press releases, Yakovlev intends
to repurchase 80-100 original YAK 52's and have them converted to YAK 52M's.
These will be the interim military trainers until the new SU-49, which is
the chosen new military trainer, is fully operational. Hopefully this
information is relatively accurate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <scott.huff@aivia.aero>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-52M
> --> Yak-List message posted by: scott.huff@aivia.aero
>
> I was browsing photos of Yaks on www.airliners.net and stumbled across a
> picture of a Yak-52M. I will post the photo to the share for everyone's
> enjoyment. Any listers out there have information on this variant? Is
this a
> one-off model or possibly a proof-of-concept for future production?
>
> Looks like it is sporting a side hinged bubble canopy & ejection seats.
Also,
> it appears as if the main landing gear retracts inward, possibly flush
with the
> bottom of the wing like the CJ. I assume this particular variant has the
400hp
> engine as well.
>
> Thanks in advance for any information.
>
> Regards,
> Scott Huff
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
This is the new version of the Yak - just ordered by russia for basic
training again, I believe, due to escalating costs of the primary Jets.
Refer:
http://www.flightinternational.com/FALANDING_171032.htm
http://www.flightinternational.com/FALANDING_169097.htm
And this comes straight from the Yak website:
YAK 52M - Aerobatic and trainer aircraft
General:
Yak-52M aircraft is intended for professional selection and primary
training of future pilots as well as for aerobatic training of
sportsmen.
Yak-52M is a two-seater, single engine monoplane of classical
configuration with low wing, retractable tricycle landing gear with nose
wheel and the M-14X engine.
Good shock-absorbing properties of the landing gear with low pressure
tires, short takeoff and landing run make it possible to operate the
aircraft on small unprepared airfields.
High reliability, simple structure, access to the system units and
pipelines ensure easy maintenance with minimum costs for flight
preparation with minimum available ground servicing equipment. The wing
aerodynamic configuration, wing planform and airfoil have been selected
to provide the aircraft functions of primary training and aerobatics.
It is planned to use the Yak-52M aircraft in aero clubs and flying
schools that makes it possible to train skilled pilots and sports
aircraft pilots in a short period of time at minimum costs.
Modernization:
The aircraft presents Yak-52 modification and differs from the original
by the following:
50% of airborne equipment is renewed that provides for flights in
adverse weather conditions at night;
the new canopy is installed to ensure safe bailout with the help of
escape system;
the -94 escape system is installed to enhance crew safety;
the integral tanks are embodied in wing structure that increase range of
flight up to 900 km;
the rudder area is increased ;
the blind flying cap is installed;
three-blade V-9 propeller is installed;
the wing aerodynamics is changed for stall performance improvement.
Basic Data:
Yak-52 for training for aerobatic
Takeoff weight 1 423 kg 1 315 kg
Engine power 360 h.p. -
Max speed 360 km/h -
Stalling speed 110 km/h -
Limit loads +6/-4 g +7/-5 g
Maximum fuel load 190 liters 80 liters
Maximum ferry range 900 km -
Takeoff/landing run 180/300 m -
Service life 3 000 hours -
Calendar life 30 years -
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
On another note.. If anyone can get hold of these new bubble canopies,
let me know.
tks
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
scott.huff@aivia.aero
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-52M
--> Yak-List message posted by: scott.huff@aivia.aero
I was browsing photos of Yaks on www.airliners.net and stumbled across a
picture of a Yak-52M. I will post the photo to the share for everyone's
enjoyment. Any listers out there have information on this variant? Is
this a
one-off model or possibly a proof-of-concept for future production?
Looks like it is sporting a side hinged bubble canopy & ejection seats.
Also,
it appears as if the main landing gear retracts inward, possibly flush
with the
bottom of the wing like the CJ. I assume this particular variant has
the 400hp
engine as well.
Thanks in advance for any information.
Regards,
Scott Huff
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| Subject: | Re: CJ smoke systems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 12/15/2003 4:47:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jayatnowra@hotmail.com writes:
Hi all... This has probably been discussed before, but afew of us down here
in NZ are looking to fit smoke tanks to our CJ's . Rather than re-invent the
wheel I thought I would canvas those of you who have already done so.
Specifically, where did you fit the tank? What size tank did you use? What
did you use to move the smoke oil from the tank? Anyone out there used the
aircraft pneumatic system to do this (much like drop tanks)???
Any advise/suggestions would be much appreciated.
And for any Aussie operators listening/lurking out there, let me know if you
would be interested as the greater the number the lower the price
Jay,
I made a tank the same size as the old ADF box and used the same rack that
the ADF was on. The tank held just over 5 gals and with oil weighted 35 pounds.
Since the old ADF weighted some 45 pounds, the rack was more than capable of
handling the stress.
The filler neck for the tank comes out of the front upper right conner of the
tank and ends inside at the conner of the right access door (It open with two
Duzus fasteners). It is just forward of the ADF access panel.
I use an old electric fuel pump and mounted it by that same door. The hose
runs from the tank to the pump to the valve that was used originally for the
oil dilution system, (I had no need for at all). The electric's is set up so
that when I lip the switch I send power to the pump and the valve at the same
time.
You might want the nozzles high in the exhaust pipes. How these are made
(size holes and tip design) you'll get difference of opinion.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Well, we had our annual Christmas party here at our airpark. We have a
Christmas parade too. This year we had 7 floats (up from 6 last year). Last year
I won first prize for the best float, It was my bass boat made to look like 3
mast square rigged Clipper ship. I had a poem too (Merry Christmas Fly Boy)
which I read while wearing a leather flight helmet, jacket, scarf, and a big
set of wings.
This year I got second place (lost out to Santa in a flying saucier?) This
year I built a replica of a Wright Flyer (scaled down of course) and put it on
my bass boat. It looked great! I had a poem again and it went thus:
Taw's 12 days before Christmas nineteen-O-three.
And out on some sand dunes
Things were a happening
That affects you and me.
Two brothers were conspiring up there
In Kitty Hawk Land
That would effect for all time,
All their fellow man.
But little is known about the debate
between the brother two.
And what finally happened and
The contraption that finally flew.
You see Wilber was determined
On a specific design.
What he saw as the most beneficial
For all mankind.
While Orville being more
methodical about design.
Was just more anxious in getting the
Damn thing to mind.
"Its drag is way too high.
You know that coefficient stuff.
And the power to weight ratio,
Well, it's just not high enough."
Plus that contraption below, is way aft of C/G
Controlling this bitch.
Will be hard
Believe you-me!"
"No. No." insisted Wilber,
It will most surely will fly"
Believe me, time will show,
this is the best way to go."
Well, despite what you might think.
Wilber's design wouldn't fly worth a wink.
And try and try as he might,
It couldn't
and wouldn't
Take flight.
In desperation Orville finely took command.
It was nearing Christmas,
And he wanted out of this
Sand blown land.
"Give me that thing" insisted Orville.
"Get that contraption off the bottom"
I've figured this out.
No more need ponder.
And get me to that hill over yonder!"
Well, the rest is history as we know it.
Minus of course, Wilber's idea or two.
The Wright Flyer -
as we know it
- flew.
So after much research in archives unknown.
I present to you the contraption,
That might have first flown.
If only -
that first engine
Had simply been turbo blown.
You seaplane pilots still have no room to gloat.
And although Wilber's contraption
Could definitely float.
For in the end what Wilber,
early wanted,
was simply-
a really fast-
Bass boat.
Marry Christmas everybody!
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Yak 52M photo/data |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "gpa" <catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
Here is a link to the new Yak 52M direct from the A.S. Yakolev Design Bureau that doesn't require you to subscribe to read the details or see an image. http://www.yak.ru/ENG/PROD/new_52m.php
Regards,
Greg Arnold
****************************************************************************
To do is to be --Marx
To do be do be do --Sinatra
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
I have one (just one) spare Iris type Titanium gill set due to an mistake in
shipping, anyone interested contact me off line.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Subject: Yak-List: Louvers...
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
You could always install an Iris! We are on the -50!
Tim
Yak-50
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "gpa" <catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
From the Yak design Bureau the photographs of the Yak 52M looks as though they
haven't changed the original wheel retract configuration. They post a "service
life" of 3,000 hrs and a "calender life" of 30 years...Hmm
Regards,
Greg Arnold
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| Subject: | Re: Louvers for Yak 52's and CJ6's "To have or not to have" |
that is the question
--> Yak-List message posted by: "gpa" <catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
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From: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Louvers for Yak 52's and CJ6's "To have or not to
have" that is the question
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth"
<stuart@bramptonyork.com>
>
> Yep, this happened to me just the other day.. the gills blew closed in
> the circuit, and interestingly I noticed the CHT's shoot up into deep
> red before noticing any change in the Oil Temps? And they dropped back
> very quickly when reopening the gills. Preflight, preflight,
> preflight...
>
It is amazing how easy that will occur if you don't keep that friction lock
good and tight. I wonder if there could be any engine damage that occurs
from a short spike and quick cooling as you described?
Greg Arnold
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| Subject: | Re: Louvers for Yak 52's and CJ6's "To have or not to have" |
that is the question
--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Look for broken cooling fins on some engines shock cooling breaks fins.
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Excellent!
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Subject: Yak-List: Merry Christmas
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Well, we had our annual Christmas party here at our airpark. We have a
Christmas parade too. This year we had 7 floats (up from 6 last year).
Last year
I won first prize for the best float, It was my bass boat made to look like
3
mast square rigged Clipper ship. I had a poem too (Merry Christmas Fly Boy)
which I read while wearing a leather flight helmet, jacket, scarf, and a big
set of wings.
This year I got second place (lost out to Santa in a flying saucier?) This
year I built a replica of a Wright Flyer (scaled down of course) and put it
on
my bass boat. It looked great! I had a poem again and it went thus:
Taw's 12 days before Christmas nineteen-O-three.
And out on some sand dunes
Things were a happening
That affects you and me.
Two brothers were conspiring up there
In Kitty Hawk Land
That would effect for all time,
All their fellow man.
But little is known about the debate
between the brother two.
And what finally happened and
The contraption that finally flew.
You see Wilber was determined
On a specific design.
What he saw as the most beneficial
For all mankind.
While Orville being more
methodical about design.
Was just more anxious in getting the
Damn thing to mind.
"Its drag is way too high.
You know that coefficient stuff.
And the power to weight ratio,
Well, it's just not high enough."
Plus that contraption below, is way aft of C/G
Controlling this bitch.
Will be hard
Believe you-me!"
"No. No." insisted Wilber,
It will most surely will fly"
Believe me, time will show,
this is the best way to go."
Well, despite what you might think.
Wilber's design wouldn't fly worth a wink.
And try and try as he might,
It couldn't
and wouldn't
Take flight.
In desperation Orville finely took command.
It was nearing Christmas,
And he wanted out of this
Sand blown land.
"Give me that thing" insisted Orville.
"Get that contraption off the bottom"
I've figured this out.
No more need ponder.
And get me to that hill over yonder!"
Well, the rest is history as we know it.
Minus of course, Wilber's idea or two.
The Wright Flyer -
as we know it
- flew.
So after much research in archives unknown.
I present to you the contraption,
That might have first flown.
If only -
that first engine
Had simply been turbo blown.
You seaplane pilots still have no room to gloat.
And although Wilber's contraption
Could definitely float.
For in the end what Wilber,
early wanted,
was simply-
a really fast-
Bass boat.
Marry Christmas everybody!
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
I talked about the CJ louvers with a well known aeronautical engineer up at Arlington
last Summer. His observation was that modern designers put the controls
at the back rather than the front as it is much more efficient. US warplanes
had the cowls in back, as does the 52TW. In his view one of the biggest drag
components on the CJ is at the back of the cowling along the sides. Airflow
coming through the engine structures hits a flat panel and exits out around
a 90 degree bend (the firewall where it joins the outer fuselage) and creates
swirls and drag along the side of the plane.
Hal Morley
CJ-6A "8"
(503) 704-6559 cell
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch@intelligentflight.com>
I would point out that for an aerobatic aircraft, the lowest possible drag
is seldom a design goal. You want to ballance low enough drag that the speed
is available for the manuever with enough drag that speed doesnt build up
excessively.
Note the two original aerobatic aircraft of choice, the Stearman and the
Pitts. Not low drag designs at all.
Bruce Campbell
Yak 52 N82623
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: louvers
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>
> I talked about the CJ louvers with a well known aeronautical engineer up
at Arlington last Summer. His observation was that modern designers put the
controls at the back rather than the front as it is much more efficient.
US warplanes had the cowls in back, as does the 52TW. In his view one of
the biggest drag components on the CJ is at the back of the cowling along
the sides. Airflow coming through the engine structures hits a flat panel
and exits out around a 90 degree bend (the firewall where it joins the outer
fuselage) and creates swirls and drag along the side of the plane.
>
>
> Hal Morley
> CJ-6A "8"
>
> (503) 704-6559 cell
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Yet another point - the front louvers maybe more drag but far better shock
cooling protection than rear cowl flaps, an important point if you fly in
Siberia or practice to perfect your dive bombing techniques...
Sam Sax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Campbell
Subject: Re: Yak-List: louvers
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell"
<baruch@intelligentflight.com>
I would point out that for an aerobatic aircraft, the lowest possible drag
is seldom a design goal. You want to ballance low enough drag that the speed
is available for the manuever with enough drag that speed doesnt build up
excessively.
Note the two original aerobatic aircraft of choice, the Stearman and the
Pitts. Not low drag designs at all.
Bruce Campbell
Yak 52 N82623
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: louvers
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>
> I talked about the CJ louvers with a well known aeronautical engineer up
at Arlington last Summer. His observation was that modern designers put the
controls at the back rather than the front as it is much more efficient.
US warplanes had the cowls in back, as does the 52TW. In his view one of
the biggest drag components on the CJ is at the back of the cowling along
the sides. Airflow coming through the engine structures hits a flat panel
and exits out around a 90 degree bend (the firewall where it joins the outer
fuselage) and creates swirls and drag along the side of the plane.
>
>
> Hal Morley
> CJ-6A "8"
>
> (503) 704-6559 cell
>
>
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