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1. 12:12 PM - Formation Certification in a Yak-18T (scott.huff@aivia.aero)
2. 12:21 PM - He's Baack... (cpayne@joimail.com)
3. 12:55 PM - Re: Formation Certification in a Yak-18T (Brian Lloyd)
4. 01:00 PM - Re: He's Baack... (Terry Calloway)
5. 02:03 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 07/16/03 (Skipsly@aol.com)
6. 04:16 PM - Re: He's Baack... (cjpilot710@aol.com)
7. 04:39 PM - Re: Formation Certification in a Yak-18T (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 10:26 PM - Re: He's Baack... (Ernest Martinez)
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| Subject: | Formation Certification in a Yak-18T |
--> Yak-List message posted by: scott.huff@aivia.aero
Yaksters,
Once I get my 18T, I'd like to get formation "certified" by a sanctioned
organization. Based on limited research, it appears that the Yak-18T doesn't
explicitly fall within the FAST guidelines (i.e. it doesn't have a two-place
tandem canopy). Is there an exception within FAST for this type of airplane?
If not, how do the Bonanza guys get formation certified?
I've had informal formation training & experience to date, mainly in C-182 jump
airplanes. I want to be formally prepared just in case there are any 52/CJ
guys that would be willing to form up with a "grocery getter" en route to east
coast airshows!
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Scott Huff
<Wanna-be Yak-18T owner>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Yup, I'm back with a new name: "cpayne@joimail.com" and
living in FLA. I see through the
archives that the same old subjects are cycling back again;
MMO, spins, and Yak v. CJ.
I'm looking forward to MTW/OSH, as I need to pick up my
airplane which is still in Illinois.
I will be operating off of grass but it's not the same as in
IL; there is black dirt up there and sand down here. Any of
you Florida boyz have problems with sand and grit in
the brakes and wheel bearings?
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Formation Certification in a Yak-18T |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
scott.huff@aivia.aero wrote:
> I've had informal formation training & experience to date, mainly in C-182 jump
> airplanes. I want to be formally prepared just in case there are any 52/CJ
> guys that would be willing to form up with a "grocery getter" en route to east
> coast airshows!
If all you want to do is to fly formation with the Yak/CJ folks, get the training
and you are good to go. What the FAST card buys you is permission from the
feds to fly formation in waivered airspace (airshow). So you need the training
to be safe but whether or not you actually get the card may not be an issue.
I can't imagine it would be a problem learning to fly formation in the Yak-18T
so long as you have sufficient visibility to safely do rejoins.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza, Suite 201
brian@lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 - voice +1.360.838.9669 - fax
GMT-4
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| Subject: | Re: He's Baack... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>living in FLA.
>>>Craig Payne
Craig,
You're taking this Sun 'N Fun Race way to serious. Move to Florida???
tc
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 07/16/03 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Skipsly@aol.com
In a message dated 07/17/2003 3:59:03 AM Atlantic Daylight Time,
yak-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> purchased required PC projectors, 6x4 foot magnetic scheduling boards (which
> my able bodied girlfriend has helped with the ardguose job of laying out the
> tape lines) and other equipment to improve and expand the event. Thanks
>
Which girlfriend would that be, Drew?
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| Subject: | Re: He's Baack... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 7/17/2003 3:21:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cpayne@joimail.com writes:
> I will be operating off of grass but it's not the same as in
> IL; there is black dirt up there and sand down here. Any of
> you Florida boyz have problems with sand and grit in
> the brakes and wheel bearings?
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
>
Na! It's called "sugar sand" and when its real dry, it acts just like mud.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Re: Formation Certification in a Yak-18T |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 7/17/2003 3:12:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
scott.huff@aivia.aero writes:
> Yaksters,
>
> Once I get my 18T, I'd like to get formation "certified" by a sanctioned
> organization. Based on limited research, it appears that the Yak-18T
> doesn't
> explicitly fall within the FAST guidelines (i.e. it doesn't have a two-place
>
> tandem canopy). Is there an exception within FAST for this type of
> airplane?
> If not, how do the Bonanza guys get formation certified?
The Bonanza guys don't really get FAST certified. They get training from a
lot of FAST instructors, but they don't really get a FAST card. Also though
they show up in formation to OSH, they are not flying in "wavered airspace" i.e.
(during the show) which is the ONLY place the FAST card means anything.
>
> I've had informal formation training &experience to date, mainly in C-182
> jump
> airplanes. I want to be formally prepared just in case there are any 52/CJ
> guys that would be willing to form up with a "grocery getter" en route to
> east
> coast airshows!
The FAST training is great for all flying. What I think you'll find is more
formal and detailed approach to flying formation than the jump plane stuff.
As to weather the 18T would fit in? There are number of cabin type formation
ships in the FAST signatories. The Liaison group are using L-17, O-2, L-19
etc. They are signatory of FAST. As far as being part of the YPA's formations,
it would be fine with me, I don't know what the boss would say.
The training is a great way to meet a bunch of neat folks, puts every one on
the same script when flying formation, and adds support for that odd ball Yak
you can haul our extra in. :-)
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Scott Huff
> <Wanna-be Yak-18T owner>
>
>
>
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernest Martinez" <Ernest.Martinez@oracle.com>
Hey Craig, welcome to Sunny Fl, lets get together and fly....where are
you???
I've had no prob with the sand except my prop tips get pretty beat up,
otherwise not too much of a prob.
Ernie
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Subject: Yak-List: He's Baack...
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Yup, I'm back with a new name: "cpayne@joimail.com" and
living in FLA. I see through the
archives that the same old subjects are cycling back again;
MMO, spins, and Yak v. CJ.
I'm looking forward to MTW/OSH, as I need to pick up my
airplane which is still in Illinois.
I will be operating off of grass but it's not the same as in
IL; there is black dirt up there and sand down here. Any of
you Florida boyz have problems with sand and grit in
the brakes and wheel bearings?
Craig Payne
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