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1. 12:20 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 03:21 PM - Re: NPRM for Air Tour Operators (E R)
3. 04:07 PM - Re: NPRM for Air Tour Operators (Roy O. Wright)
4. 04:20 PM - Fuel Pressure Problem (Marshall)
5. 07:15 PM - Re: NPRM for Air Tour Operators (Rick Basiliere)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: NPRM for Air Tour Operators |
--> Yak-List message posted by: E R <jogggles@yahoo.com>
The only thing I hate more than the FAA is the TSA. I feel a deep rage I can't
help, and sometimes I am embarrassed at my emotions.
What's one girl to do?
I work in the media and am developing (among other things) a late night comedy
television show and a series of aviation videos (a la Discovery Channel.) I can
only do what I know, so I have pledged (to myself) that a portion of my efforts
will showcase how these agencies behave. I'm not thinking bad press as much
as public humiliation.
Tell me I'm wasting my time. Tell me I'll get in trouble, have my certificate
revoked, or that I am unAmerican. It's ok - I've already been told all that.
But if I stand by and just observe my passion (aviation) get flushed further and
further down the toilet without taking an action that I am capable of, I deserve
the nothing I get.
So now that Harry Dutson generously gave me an Association membership as a Christmas
present, and you see me out there with my camera, at least smile at me and
tell me I'm doing good. (Oh, and start passing the hat to bail me out of the
pokey.)
Elizabeth
Drew Blahnick <aapilot@adelphia.net> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick"
This is not directly related to this community, but it brings up one reason
why being 'organized' is so critical.
Having seen the FAAs madness first-hand in the Long Beach FSDO informing me
that the Southern California Flight Standards chiefs had all had a 'secret',
non public meeting and decided to kick out Eastern Block jets from several
airports, including mine, and greatly restricted my (and others here in
Torrance) freedom to operate the CJ, I can understand the frustration.
The LOA change issue last year that had such a major impact on the jet
owners at least shows that a united, and vocal, GA community can at least
alter or steer this mad cow of a federal agency. The outcome of that issue
could have been much worse without key folks getting involved, and getting
the 'victims' organized, at least on paper.
This one hits right in the pocket book,
Drew
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV_8 Pilot"
Subject: RE: Yak-List: NPRM for Air Tour Operators
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot"
>
> I agree that this is an absurd proposed change, but the FAA has nothing to
> gain from personal/GA flying liberty. Actually, their job is made much
> easier and they appear to be more successful when GA is *shut completely
> down*. No accidents or *terrorist attacks* can happen that way, right?!
> This is my big problem with government - they operate outside the
"American"
> system of freedom and capitalism, much like a cancer opon us all.
> Unaccountable to the people they "serve", with goals and objectives that
> direclty conflict with the rights and desires of the people.
>
> Remember the NPRM for TSA's ability to sieze a pilots certificate upon
> "suspicion" of being a threat! Lot of good all the feedback did on that
> one... The changed rule had no benefit, but it sure *looked good!*
>
> Personal liberty and freedom in general is under full scale assault by
those
> who would seize it (gub'ment) in order to look good to the apathetic
masses
> (get reelected or reappointed).
>
> Yea, this is just an observation and general rant. Wish I had a
suggestion
> on how to deal with it, but I don't. Keep up the pressure. Maybe we can
> only hold them off for a while, but it's better than giving up.
>
> I keep trying to convince people that the government cancer is going to
> destroy much of what we value as Americans, but we'll be *d@mn safe*,
won't
> we?!
>
> Join AOPA!
>
> Happy new year and happy flying!
>
> Bryan Jones
> RV-8, J-3, Yak/CJ - some day
> Pearland, Texas
> do not archive
>
> >I don't usually post "off-subject" items...but feel this is very
important.
> > The FAA is trying to, in effect, shut down all local sightseeing ride
> >businesses. If they are trying to do this, what is next?
> >
> >I have a great friend with a Waco YMF-5 who runs a Biplane ride business
> >here in Memphis. This reg change would force his and hundreds of similar
> >ride businesses, to operate under FAR 135, effectively driving them out
of
> >business....as it is next to impossible to meet 135 requirements with
> >single-engine aircraft designed without 135 in mind.
> >
> >The FAA's reasoning in this NPRM is totally absurd. They site poor
safety
> >records attributed to a few helicopter, and multiengine sightseeing tours
> >companies primarily in Hawaii and the Grand Canyon (135 operators!)...
> >Instead of taking individual action against these few companies, they are
> >going to ground the whole industry.... hundreds of safe local Mom and Pop
> >one airplane businesses will get punished- because there is no
distinction
> >made between them and the few companies with the poor records.
> >
> >If you have a few minutes, would you get educated on this, and help out
by
> >writing a response to the NPRM? Below is a posting by AOPA on the
subject,
> >with links to briefs and surveys to help them build a case against the
> >NPRM.
> >
> >We have made a difference in the past with general aviation related
> >problems...it would be great if we could make a difference here!
> >
> >Thanks, and Happy New Year!
> >
> >Jeff Linebaugh
> >
> >Subject: URGENT - From AOPA
> >
> >Air Tour NPRM-Air Tour Operators
> >
> >The FAA recently published a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) that if
> >enacted will, by the FAA's own admission, drive hundreds of small
> >sightseeing operations out of business. The proposal, referred to as the
> >National Air Tour Safety Standards NPRM would remove the current
exemption
> >that allows Part 91 sightseeing flights within 25 nm of an airport.
> >Operators conducting flights under this exception would now be subject to
> >the operational requirements of Part 135.
> >
> >AOPA, on behalf of its members, has requested that the FAA hold public
> >meetings to assess the impact of its National Air Tour Safety Standards
> >NPRM
> >on general aviation operators conducting sightseeing tours under FAR Part
> >91. We are concerned that the FAA has failed to consider the true impact
of
> >this proposal on the general aviation community and contend that
conducting
> >public meetings will give Agency officials the opportunity to hear
directly
> >from those most affected.
> >
> >Members have expressed concern that the sightseeing elements of the
> >proposed
> >rule will adversely affect their livelihood. Through the FAA's own
> >admission, the proposed rule will result in hundreds of small sightseeing
> >operations going out of business.
> >
> >An issue brief providing additional information including the NPRM may be
> >found at:
> >
> >http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regtours.html
> >
> >
> >We are asking operators to answer 17 questions to the best of their
> >ability.
> >This will assist us in drafting our comments to the final rule as well as
> >our preparation for the anticipated public meetings. Specific
information
> >provided will be kept confidential. The link below will guide you to a
> >secure section on the AOPA website where you will be asked to provide
your
> >answers .
> >
> >http://www.aopa.org/survey/survey.cfm?id=99
> >
> >
> >Please forward this email and link to any operators whom you feel could
> >assist in gathering this information.
> >
> >We thank you for participating in this survey. Rarely do we utilize
> >surveys
> >of this nature, but feel this issue has the potential to impact the
> >industry
> >in such a negative manner that it is necessary to gather this
information.
> >
> >
> >Robert E. Hackman
> >Manager, Regulatory and Certification Policy
> >Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association
> >
> >
>
> Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and
> yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
>
>
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: NPRM for Air Tour Operators |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
Elizabeth,
Don't worry, there are a lot of kindred soles out here.
If you ever need ideas, check out Wes Oleszewski's "Klyde Morris"
cartoon (http://www.klydemorris.com/strips.cfm).
The problem is a lot deeper than just the FAA or TSA, the
government that our forefathers established for us and all
our brave veterans have fought for, has been perverted
to where those in power rule instead of govern. But this
is leading me to libertarian topics which don't belong on
this list.
Getting the message out is the most important first step
we can take in reclaiming liberty. My hat's off to you.
Please let me know if there is any way I can help.
Thank you,
Roy
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| Subject: | Fuel Pressure Problem |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Marshall <nx4me@earthlink.net>
My partner had a fuel pressure problem today while flying our Interavia. After
consulting the maintenance manual, I think the first place to investigate should
be the fuel filters and the reducing valve assembly. If anyone has any experience
with this sort of problem on an M14, your input would be appreciated.
The airplane had about 80 liters of fuel remaining after landing, and was full
prior to takeoff. The aircraft was flown in South Florida, the temperature
was about 80 degrees F. The engine has about 150 hours TTSN.
Thanks,
Marshall
Here is his description of the sequence of events for the engine problem.
Normal preflight, start, takeoff, climb and transit to the aerobatic area. I did
not note the individual numbers but all the engine indications were in the
green for takeoff and good at the upwind turn power reduction. After climbing
to 4000 @ 82% RPM and 800mm I unloaded (-0.5G) to start a sequence practice.
I leveled at about 3200 and 300KmPH, and the engine started to drop RPM and recover
to the power setting. I started heading for home and noted the Oil Press
was normal, CHT was stable at about 140C and the Fuel Press was 0. I tried
to Prime on the System side and that seemed to do nothing when the engine was
dropping, but it certainly didnt seem to help it recover. I increased the Prop
RPM to try to maximize the Fuel Pump RPM, but noted no real difference in the
frequency or severity of the RPM drops. They were occurring irregularly (I
would guess the average at about every 20-30 seconds) and of varying RPM differences.
The engine never ran rough; just reduced and recovered RPM on its own
timetable. I noticed the RPM as low as 70% from 82% and mid-70s from 98% and
it never seemed to ever produce full power even when the throttle was in that
position. I used a throttle-pump to keep the engine running. I dont know
whether that was more for me or the engine, but it did keep running. I tried
the Prime twice after that when the RPM was stable for a moment and the Fuel Press
was 0; it caused an RPM drop in both cases and I desisted. I did not ever
try the Cylinder side; I was unsure about its effects at that power setting,
so I thought Id save it for when it really quit. During the transit the Fuel
Pressure indication jumped almost constantly about 0.1 and fluctuated between
0 and 0.4 with most of the time spent at 0. It really only did its RPM drop
and recovery thing when the indication was at 0. After initially losing some
altitude, about the time I stopped trying the Prime, I managed to get to a speed
neutral and altitude positive mode and set up for a h
something while working the throttle, but I thought the engine was working better
at a reduced power setting, although not when producing enough power to fly
level. With the airfield assured, I reduced the MAP to about 400mm and the
Fuel Press moved to 0.45 and stabilized (stopped jumping), and more importantly
the engine RPM stopped fluctuating. I needed about 450-500mm to fly the high
energy approach that we have seen, but that led to a reduction in Fuel Press
to about 0.2 and back to the jumping. I increased the angle of approach and
decreased the MAP until the Fuel Press recovered and kept that until short finals.
The RPM was stable during the entire reduced thrust segment. The landing
was uneventful and the engine kept running after touchdown. Taxiing back in,
the RPM was difficult to maintain constant and the Fuel Press had dropped to
0 again. At one point during the taxi I thought the engine might die, and it
almost had a sucking background noise. Whenever the RPM was back at normal,
the engine note was also normal. RPM was difficult to hold (required constant
throttle adjustment) at 65% for the shutdown.
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| Subject: | NPRM for Air Tour Operators |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
Kick butt and take names, that is what you can do. Good for you. If you
get to Colorado I'll give you a "non-stop sightseeing flight with-in 25
statute miles...that will begin and end at the same airport..." in a
Sukhoi-29 (two seats). Ricky B
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of E R
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NPRM for Air Tour Operators
--> Yak-List message posted by: E R <jogggles@yahoo.com>
The only thing I hate more than the FAA is the TSA. I feel a deep rage I
can't help, and sometimes I am embarrassed at my emotions.
What's one girl to do?
I work in the media and am developing (among other things) a late night
comedy television show and a series of aviation videos (a la Discovery
Channel.) I can only do what I know, so I have pledged (to myself) that a
portion of my efforts will showcase how these agencies behave. I'm not
thinking bad press as much as public humiliation.
Tell me I'm wasting my time. Tell me I'll get in trouble, have my
certificate revoked, or that I am unAmerican. It's ok - I've already been
told all that.
But if I stand by and just observe my passion (aviation) get flushed further
and further down the toilet without taking an action that I am capable of, I
deserve the nothing I get.
So now that Harry Dutson generously gave me an Association membership as a
Christmas present, and you see me out there with my camera, at least smile
at me and tell me I'm doing good. (Oh, and start passing the hat to bail me
out of the pokey.)
Elizabeth
Drew Blahnick <aapilot@adelphia.net> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick"
This is not directly related to this community, but it brings up one reason
why being 'organized' is so critical.
Having seen the FAAs madness first-hand in the Long Beach FSDO informing me
that the Southern California Flight Standards chiefs had all had a 'secret',
non public meeting and decided to kick out Eastern Block jets from several
airports, including mine, and greatly restricted my (and others here in
Torrance) freedom to operate the CJ, I can understand the frustration.
The LOA change issue last year that had such a major impact on the jet
owners at least shows that a united, and vocal, GA community can at least
alter or steer this mad cow of a federal agency. The outcome of that issue
could have been much worse without key folks getting involved, and getting
the 'victims' organized, at least on paper.
This one hits right in the pocket book,
Drew
----- Original Message -----
From: "RV_8 Pilot"
To:
Subject: RE: Yak-List: NPRM for Air Tour Operators
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot"
>
> I agree that this is an absurd proposed change, but the FAA has nothing to
> gain from personal/GA flying liberty. Actually, their job is made much
> easier and they appear to be more successful when GA is *shut completely
> down*. No accidents or *terrorist attacks* can happen that way, right?!
> This is my big problem with government - they operate outside the
"American"
> system of freedom and capitalism, much like a cancer opon us all.
> Unaccountable to the people they "serve", with goals and objectives that
> direclty conflict with the rights and desires of the people.
>
> Remember the NPRM for TSA's ability to sieze a pilots certificate upon
> "suspicion" of being a threat! Lot of good all the feedback did on that
> one... The changed rule had no benefit, but it sure *looked good!*
>
> Personal liberty and freedom in general is under full scale assault by
those
> who would seize it (gub'ment) in order to look good to the apathetic
masses
> (get reelected or reappointed).
>
> Yea, this is just an observation and general rant. Wish I had a
suggestion
> on how to deal with it, but I don't. Keep up the pressure. Maybe we can
> only hold them off for a while, but it's better than giving up.
>
> I keep trying to convince people that the government cancer is going to
> destroy much of what we value as Americans, but we'll be *d@mn safe*,
won't
> we?!
>
> Join AOPA!
>
> Happy new year and happy flying!
>
> Bryan Jones
> RV-8, J-3, Yak/CJ - some day
> Pearland, Texas
> do not archive
>
> >I don't usually post "off-subject" items...but feel this is very
important.
> > The FAA is trying to, in effect, shut down all local sightseeing ride
> >businesses. If they are trying to do this, what is next?
> >
> >I have a great friend with a Waco YMF-5 who runs a Biplane ride business
> >here in Memphis. This reg change would force his and hundreds of similar
> >ride businesses, to operate under FAR 135, effectively driving them out
of
> >business....as it is next to impossible to meet 135 requirements with
> >single-engine aircraft designed without 135 in mind.
> >
> >The FAA's reasoning in this NPRM is totally absurd. They site poor
safety
> >records attributed to a few helicopter, and multiengine sightseeing tours
> >companies primarily in Hawaii and the Grand Canyon (135 operators!)...
> >Instead of taking individual action against these few companies, they are
> >going to ground the whole industry.... hundreds of safe local Mom and Pop
> >one airplane businesses will get punished- because there is no
distinction
> >made between them and the few companies with the poor records.
> >
> >If you have a few minutes, would you get educated on this, and help out
by
> >writing a response to the NPRM? Below is a posting by AOPA on the
subject,
> >with links to briefs and surveys to help them build a case against the
> >NPRM.
> >
> >We have made a difference in the past with general aviation related
> >problems...it would be great if we could make a difference here!
> >
> >Thanks, and Happy New Year!
> >
> >Jeff Linebaugh
> >
> >Subject: URGENT - From AOPA
> >
> >Air Tour NPRM-Air Tour Operators
> >
> >The FAA recently published a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) that if
> >enacted will, by the FAA's own admission, drive hundreds of small
> >sightseeing operations out of business. The proposal, referred to as the
> >National Air Tour Safety Standards NPRM would remove the current
exemption
> >that allows Part 91 sightseeing flights within 25 nm of an airport.
> >Operators conducting flights under this exception would now be subject to
> >the operational requirements of Part 135.
> >
> >AOPA, on behalf of its members, has requested that the FAA hold public
> >meetings to assess the impact of its National Air Tour Safety Standards
> >NPRM
> >on general aviation operators conducting sightseeing tours under FAR Part
> >91. We are concerned that the FAA has failed to consider the true impact
of
> >this proposal on the general aviation community and contend that
conducting
> >public meetings will give Agency officials the opportunity to hear
directly
> >from those most affected.
> >
> >Members have expressed concern that the sightseeing elements of the
> >proposed
> >rule will adversely affect their livelihood. Through the FAA's own
> >admission, the proposed rule will result in hundreds of small sightseeing
> >operations going out of business.
> >
> >An issue brief providing additional information including the NPRM may be
> >found at:
> >
> >http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regtours.html
> >
> >
> >We are asking operators to answer 17 questions to the best of their
> >ability.
> >This will assist us in drafting our comments to the final rule as well as
> >our preparation for the anticipated public meetings. Specific
information
> >provided will be kept confidential. The link below will guide you to a
> >secure section on the AOPA website where you will be asked to provide
your
> >answers .
> >
> >http://www.aopa.org/survey/survey.cfm?id=99
> >
> >
> >Please forward this email and link to any operators whom you feel could
> >assist in gathering this information.
> >
> >We thank you for participating in this survey. Rarely do we utilize
> >surveys
> >of this nature, but feel this issue has the potential to impact the
> >industry
> >in such a negative manner that it is necessary to gather this
information.
> >
> >
> >Robert E. Hackman
> >Manager, Regulatory and Certification Policy
> >Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association
> >
> >
>
> Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and
> yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
>
>
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