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1. 12:46 AM - Re: Oil Bottle Cap (Stuart Mackereth)
2. 01:31 AM - Re: Oil Bottle Cap (Stuart Mackereth)
3. 04:05 AM - Re: Oil Bottle Cap (Brian Lloyd)
4. 04:15 AM - CJ6A: Emergency Air Tank Filling (Brian Lloyd)
5. 05:23 AM - CJ Air Tanks (Jeff Linebaugh)
6. 08:46 AM - Re: CJ6A: Emergency Air Tank Filling (Doug Sapp)
7. 11:16 AM - Re: CJ6A: Emergency Air Tank Filling (Andrew Zheng (Canada))
8. 12:13 PM - Re: CJ6A: Emergency Air Tank Filling (Brian Lloyd)
9. 12:16 PM - Yak-50 Partnership (Tim Gagnon)
10. 02:31 PM - AYS SE formation clinic (cjpilot710@aol.com)
11. 03:04 PM - Re: [SPAM] - Re: Waycross, GA formation clinic - Email (JL)
12. 04:48 PM - Elizabeth, here's one for you (Gus Fraser)
13. 06:28 PM - Re: Elizabeth, here's one for you (Gus Fraser)
14. 08:15 PM - Re: Elizabeth, here's one for you (jay reiter)
15. 08:17 PM - Aileron Alignment and Rigging Problems (Dennis Von Ruden)
16. 09:03 PM - Re: Re: Elizabeth, here's one for you (D Zeman)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
We've decided to be prudent - and our local technician will be fishing
for it tomorrow. I rather like the 6year old arm strategy - considering
I am a 6 year old (and a 4 year old should that not work) :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Bottle Cap
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I seriously doubt you will ever see it in the oil screen Stuart. That
entire orifice is smaller in diameter than the oil cap. If it were my
airplane I would bite the bullet and remove the oil tank to remove the
oil cap. If it positions itself within the oil line, you could have a
much more serious problem. Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Oil Bottle Cap
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth"
<stuart@bramptonyork.com>
>
> Hi all
>
> Yesterday a co-owner of a yak52 accidentally dropped the plastic oil
> cap seal from a bottle of W100 into the oil tank, and by the time he
> managed to grab a wire to try scoup it out, it had sunk. Our local
> technician reckoned it aint a problem, and will not melt (at
> 50-65deg), and will end up in the oil filter before long. He reckons
> keep flying and look for it at our next inspection... Being a bit
> nervous, thought I'd check online for opinions here first. Thanks!
>
> Stuart
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
Hehe.. Well sometimes I act like a 6 year old.. But what I meant was I
"have" a 6 year old :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
Mackereth
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oil Bottle Cap
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth"
--> <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
We've decided to be prudent - and our local technician will be fishing
for it tomorrow. I rather like the 6year old arm strategy - considering
I am a 6 year old (and a 4 year old should that not work) :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Bottle Cap
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I seriously doubt you will ever see it in the oil screen Stuart. That
entire orifice is smaller in diameter than the oil cap. If it were my
airplane I would bite the bullet and remove the oil tank to remove the
oil cap. If it positions itself within the oil line, you could have a
much more serious problem. Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Oil Bottle Cap
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth"
<stuart@bramptonyork.com>
>
> Hi all
>
> Yesterday a co-owner of a yak52 accidentally dropped the plastic oil
> cap seal from a bottle of W100 into the oil tank, and by the time he
> managed to grab a wire to try scoup it out, it had sunk. Our local
> technician reckoned it aint a problem, and will not melt (at
> 50-65deg), and will end up in the oil filter before long. He reckons
> keep flying and look for it at our next inspection... Being a bit
> nervous, thought I'd check online for opinions here first. Thanks!
>
> Stuart
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Bottle Cap |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Stuart Mackereth wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Stuart Mackereth" <stuart@bramptonyork.com>
>
> We've decided to be prudent - and our local technician will be fishing
> for it tomorrow. I rather like the 6year old arm strategy - considering
> I am a 6 year old
Damn! When I was six I could barely drive a car, let alone fly a Yak.
All kidding aside, getting the plastic detritus out of the oil tank it the right
thing to do.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
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| Subject: | CJ6A: Emergency Air Tank Filling |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Walt Lannon wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
>
> Jeff;
> This list is great. I gave you some bum info. on the CJ charge circuit but
> Jay picked it up. He is absolutely correct - just charge with the main valve
> closed to fill the emerg. tank. Thanks Jay
Yes it will work but the emergency tank will stay filled only if the plumbing,
check valve, and emergency air valve are in good repair. Otherwise you will have
a slow leak so the N2 will eventually get replaced with air.
I think that filling the emergency air tank with N2 is a good one but you still
need to inspect the tank regularly. I would also be more worried about the main
air tank than the emergency air tank but that is going to be filled with air
no matter what you do.
As I recall, doesn't the overhaul manual specify a treatment process for the air
tanks to help prevent corrosion?
Lastly, the Chinese specify overhaul and inspection intervals by operating hours
but not by calendar time. I suspect that the airplanes fly less over here than
they do there. Does anyone know how often the aircraft are typically cycled
back to the factory for overhaul? This might give us some idea how often we
should inspect these things on a calendar basis.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
Good point Jay! I had never considered filling the air system with the main
air valve closed.... have never had a reason to try that...didn't even
think about it.
So here is Version 2.0 of the Air Tank filling procedure I intend to use for
my CJ:
1. Fill depleted Emergency Air tank with Nitrogen from external filler port
with the Main Air Valve closed.
2. Reset the air regulator to a slightly lower value (1/4 turn should do it
.) and re-safety wire it. This should preclude air being cycled into the
emergency air bottle by the compressor.
3. Fill the Main Air Tank with air (again from the external filler port)
4. Go Fly!
This procedure will leave N2 in the Emergency Air Tank, hopefully reducing
the possibilities of corrosion, and giving me air for starting.
Brian is right, we have gone round-n-round on air vs. N2 for starting....I
could get my CJ started on N2, but I had to hold my mouth just right. With
air, it was a no-brainer.
The big point though is: if you haven't looked at your air tanks in the
recent past, you may me sitting on hand grenades.
Thanks again guys!
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | CJ6A: Emergency Air Tank Filling |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Brian wrote:
>Lastly, the Chinese specify overhaul and inspection intervals by operating
hours but not by
calendar time. I suspect that the airplanes fly less over here than they do
there. Does anyone know how often the aircraft are typically cycled back to
the factory for overhaul? This might give us some idea how often we should
inspect these things on a calendar basis.
CJ's return to the factory every 1000 hours for what they call an
"overhaul", but in our parlance it is a IRAN inspection. If the aircraft is
not being flown there is also a "no fly time" wherein they pickle the
engine, but I do not know the exact time span.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Yak-List: CJ6A: Emergency Air Tank Filling
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Walt Lannon wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
>
> Jeff;
> This list is great. I gave you some bum info. on the CJ charge circuit but
> Jay picked it up. He is absolutely correct - just charge with the main
valve
> closed to fill the emerg. tank. Thanks Jay
Yes it will work but the emergency tank will stay filled only if the
plumbing, check valve, and emergency air valve are in good repair.
Otherwise you will have a slow leak so the N2 will eventually get replaced
with air.
I think that filling the emergency air tank with N2 is a good one but you
still need to inspect the tank regularly. I would also be more worried
about the main air tank than the emergency air tank but that is going to be
filled with air no matter what you do.
As I recall, doesn't the overhaul manual specify a treatment process for the
air tanks to help prevent corrosion?
Lastly, the Chinese specify overhaul and inspection intervals by operating
hours but not by calendar time. I suspect that the airplanes fly less over
here than they do there. Does anyone know how often the aircraft are
typically cycled back to the factory for overhaul? This might give us some
idea how often we should inspect these things on a calendar basis.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6A: Emergency Air Tank Filling |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrew Zheng (Canada)" <goldtel@shaw.ca>
Nanchang factory don't do the CJ overhaul, they only build new CJs. The CJs overhaul
by Chinese Air force, but the engines overhaul by 2-3 engine factories.
Andrew Zheng
www.jntrading.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ6A: Emergency Air Tank Filling
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Brian wrote:
> >Lastly, the Chinese specify overhaul and inspection intervals by operating
> hours but not by
> calendar time. I suspect that the airplanes fly less over here than they do
> there. Does anyone know how often the aircraft are typically cycled back to
> the factory for overhaul? This might give us some idea how often we should
> inspect these things on a calendar basis.
>
> CJ's return to the factory every 1000 hours for what they call an
> "overhaul", but in our parlance it is a IRAN inspection. If the aircraft is
> not being flown there is also a "no fly time" wherein they pickle the
> engine, but I do not know the exact time span.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ6A: Emergency Air Tank Filling
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Walt Lannon wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <lannon@look.ca>
> >
> > Jeff;
> > This list is great. I gave you some bum info. on the CJ charge circuit but
> > Jay picked it up. He is absolutely correct - just charge with the main
> valve
> > closed to fill the emerg. tank. Thanks Jay
>
> Yes it will work but the emergency tank will stay filled only if the
> plumbing, check valve, and emergency air valve are in good repair.
> Otherwise you will have a slow leak so the N2 will eventually get replaced
> with air.
>
> I think that filling the emergency air tank with N2 is a good one but you
> still need to inspect the tank regularly. I would also be more worried
> about the main air tank than the emergency air tank but that is going to be
> filled with air no matter what you do.
>
> As I recall, doesn't the overhaul manual specify a treatment process for the
> air tanks to help prevent corrosion?
>
> Lastly, the Chinese specify overhaul and inspection intervals by operating
> hours but not by calendar time. I suspect that the airplanes fly less over
> here than they do there. Does anyone know how often the aircraft are
> typically cycled back to the factory for overhaul? This might give us some
> idea how often we should inspect these things on a calendar basis.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6A: Emergency Air Tank Filling |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Doug Sapp wrote:
> CJ's return to the factory every 1000 hours for what they call an
> "overhaul", but in our parlance it is a IRAN inspection. If the aircraft is
> not being flown there is also a "no fly time" wherein they pickle the
> engine, but I do not know the exact time span.
I was aware of the flight-hour numbers but I was trying to get an idea of how long
in calendar time it takes their training command to put that 1000 hours on
an airframe. I was trying to get a feeling for whether they send the airplane
back every year, two years, three years, etc. Lycoming and Continental are
now applying both operating hours AND calendar time to TBO. I was trying to get
a feeling for what amount of calendar time the Chinese expect between overhauls.
It might make a difference to how we schedule inspections and some maintenance.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
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| Subject: | Yak-50 Partnership |
Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:16:30 -0500
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Hey folks,
I am looking for a possible partner in the Cincinnati area who would be interested
in a partnership on my Yak-50. If anyone out there is interested or knows
of someone, drop me a line and I will give them the details.
Hope all is well with everyone and they have a great year!!
Regards,
Timothy Gagnon
Yak-50 Formerly of the Hillbilly Air Force
N359FG
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| Subject: | AYS SE formation clinic |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Weather though Sunday afternoon is looking great to good. Some rain showers
possible in the afternoon Sunday moving into westhern GA. with good VFR to the
N. E. S. BEAUTIFUL all quadrants till than. Yes, Sara, I do believe in the
weatherman.
Check your FSS for the latest flight restrictions etc. Be Advised, there are
runway/taxieway improvements in progress at AYS so heads up there. There
should be plenty of tie-down ropes HOWEVER - - - -.
I'll be arriving AYS tomorrow afternoon, to recon necessary watering holes
and feeding troughs.
My cell phone number is 386-503-9820. (It plays a little Chinese tune)
Jim Goolsby
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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found in subject
| Subject: | Re: Waycross, GA formation clinic - Email |
found in subject
--> Yak-List message posted by: JL <jland@popeandland.com>
Jim
Looks like I am not going to be able to make it down to Waycross this
weekend. We just have been unable to get a number of maintenance issues
completed in time.
I know y'all will have a great time and looks like the weather will
cooperate. Hopefully I can make the next one.
Jay Land
> From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
> Reply-To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:48:39 EST
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Yak-List: Waycross, GA formation clinic - Email found in
> subject
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Thanks Dennis. Scott will be a great help.
>
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
> "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
> until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Elizabeth, here's one for you |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Bush Jr : Guys, guys, guess what we are going into space again.
Aide : Well that's just fine Mr P where are we going ?
BJ : To the sun damn it, people expect us to go to Mars but boy they will be
surprised...
Aide : Mr P, we will burn up it gets real hot on the sun, hotter than a
snakes ass at a round up.
BJ : Ah, but that's the clever bit, we go in at night !
Funny if it could not be true.
Excited Copper mountain in Feb, can't wait....
Gus
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| Subject: | Elizabeth, here's one for you |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Sorry about posting this here it was a mistake, but hell it is funny
though....
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gus Fraser
Subject: Yak-List: Elizabeth, here's one for you
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Bush Jr : Guys, guys, guess what we are going into space again.
Aide : Well that's just fine Mr P where are we going ?
BJ : To the sun damn it, people expect us to go to Mars but boy they will be
surprised...
Aide : Mr P, we will burn up it gets real hot on the sun, hotter than a
snakes ass at a round up.
BJ : Ah, but that's the clever bit, we go in at night !
Funny if it could not be true.
Excited Copper mountain in Feb, can't wait....
Gus
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| Subject: | Re: Elizabeth, here's one for you |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Taint funny MaGee.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Elizabeth, here's one for you
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> Bush Jr : Guys, guys, guess what we are going into space again.
>
> Aide : Well that's just fine Mr P where are we going ?
>
> BJ : To the sun damn it, people expect us to go to Mars but boy they will
be
> surprised...
>
> Aide : Mr P, we will burn up it gets real hot on the sun, hotter than a
> snakes ass at a round up.
>
> BJ : Ah, but that's the clever bit, we go in at night !
>
>
> Funny if it could not be true.
>
> Excited Copper mountain in Feb, can't wait....
>
> Gus
>
>
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| Subject: | Aileron Alignment and Rigging Problems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dennis Von Ruden" <dvonruden@generalequip.com>
At the risk of sounding like a guy who does not know which end of the
screwdriver to hold on to, we are having an alignment/rigging problem
with the starboard aileron. Just finishing up a CJ restoration project.
We inspected and recovered both ailerons. The port aileron aligns
perfectly with the trailing edge of the wing. The starboard aileron
droops down and has a wider gap between it and the wing. Probably 3/16
inch in the vertical and horizontal planes at the right wingtip. You can
visually see the difference. It does not appear that we have the aileron
attachment fitting (that bolts to the rear spar) up side down. The
aileron is new with no damage. Both wing tips hit a bridge when the
aircraft was being transported by railroad on the way from Long Beach.
Yes, the wing tips were damaged (and replaced). But, there was no spar
or aileron attachment fitting damage.
My question is am I being too picky to expect both ailerons to perfectly
align? Anyone ever have a similar problem with alignment? Thanks.
Dennis Von Ruden
dvonruden@generalequip.com
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Elizabeth, here's one for you |
--> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com>
Correction: Tis funny; great departure from the normal
right-winged BS that get spouted on this list from
time to time.
D. Zeman
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