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1. 03:47 PM - safety thing. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
2. 03:47 PM - Why I get easily p---ed !!!! (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 04:56 PM - Re: Why I get easily p---ed !!!! (Brian Lloyd)
4. 05:08 PM - Southern Aviator and aviation magazine (Gus Fraser)
5. 06:34 PM - Re: Why I get easily p---ed !!!! (Jon Boede)
6. 06:57 PM - Unintended Consequences (Desmor944@aol.com)
7. 07:20 PM - Re:Why I get easily p---ed !!!! (Terry Calloway)
8. 07:43 PM - What I wrote guys. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 07:45 PM - What I wrote - - - (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 07:52 PM - charity flights (Jon Boede)
11. 08:16 PM - Why I get easily p---ed !!!! (Frank Haertlein)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In discussing with a very well respected restoration shop on why they
recently let one of their mechanics go, I learned it had to do with a CJ-6 that
he
had worked on.
It seems that when he put the cowling back on, he did not flip over the
little tabs that keep the pins from backing out. During the test flight the pilot
returned, only because he saw some cowling rubber sticking out. On inspection
3 of the 4 pins had fallen out and the cowling had slid forward and hit the
prop.
This is the second time I've heard this happening with the same results.
Right Walt?
These little tabs on the end of those pins have a BIG job. The standoff ring
on the front of engine is there to;
ONE as mounting place for the "Fish Scales". Louvers to you.
AND
TWO keep the cowling centered. NOT hold it place.
With just 2 pins missing the cowling will slide forward and hit your prop.
If the pins are broken - get new ones before the next flight. Missing or
broken pins are a guarantied disaster.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Why I get easily p---ed !!!! |
keith.goolsby@eds.com, gaf127enl@msn.com, MDSHELLEY@aol.com,
yakjock@msn.com, walterfricke@yahoo.com, finleycj6@juno.com,
BDorsey777@aol.com, dabear@damned.org, tcalloway@hangar-d.com,
mason.t@worldnet.att.net, wpairprt@tdstelme.net, radialpower@cox.net,
FamilyGage@aol.com, rvfltd@televar.com, cd001633@mindspring.com,
ernest.martinez@oracle.com, FOUGAPILOT@aol.com, N23GD@yahoo.com,
jtobul@tobul.com, KILOUSMC@aol.com, tormentor34@netzero.net
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
At our ground school today a bit of time was spent on talking about the
proposed "National Air Tour Safety Standards FAA-1998-4521" Some of the proposal
is
really really FLAT ASS DUMB!
1. One part in effect will only allow nonprofit organizations to have just 4
YES FOUR (4) events a year to give rides AND - get this - the rides are not to
use the same pilots!!!!!! These are the details in this stupid bunch of
crap.
Those nonprofit organizations? Us, ( yes RPA if we wanted to) EAA, CAF,
Yankee Air Force, etc., etc.
Now get this. We have an FAA FSDO guy sitting in our ground school. His
office is not even aware of this proposal!!
If this proposal goes though, none absolutely none, of the above organization
will be able to fly their warbirds around the country. Period. Some 700 Mom
& Pop Part 91 FBOs that give rides are about to be put out of busness.
The close of the comments for or against the proposed regulation has been
extended until April. If you're against please make your feeling and concerns
known. Go to http//www. DMS.DOT.gov to get to the comments page. I have not
been there yet but look for-DOC. FAA 1998-4521. Send e-mails to
Alberta.Brown@FAA.gov.
NOT to make political comments but guess who was the instigator of this bull
shit?
New York Senator Hillary R. Clinton. No lie. Maybe some of you New Yorkers
can drop a nasty letter to her office. She certainly won't listen to anyone
who can't vote for her.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Re: Why I get easily p---ed !!!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Troops,
>
> At our ground school today a bit of time was spent on talking about
> the proposed "National Air Tour Safety Standards FAA-1998-4521" Some
> of the proposal is really really FLAT ASS DUMB!
Oooooh, it has the word "SAFETY" in it so it must be good.
> 1. One part in effect will only allow nonprofit organizations to have
> just 4 YES FOUR (4) events a year to give rides AND - get this - the
> rides are not to use the same pilots!!!!!! These are the details in
> this stupid bunch of crap. Those nonprofit organizations? Us, ( yes
> RPA if we wanted to) EAA, CAF, Yankee Air Force, etc., etc.
Oh Pappy, you are just being silly. The FAA would *never* do anything stupid.
You just won't admit that there is a really good reason for this.
> Now get this. We have an FAA FSDO guy sitting in our ground school.
> His office is not even aware of this proposal!!
>
> If this proposal goes though, none absolutely none, of the above
> organization will be able to fly their warbirds around the country.
> Period. Some 700 Mom & Pop Part 91 FBOs that give rides are about to
> be put out of busness.
But this is obviously for safety reasons! They would *never* do anything capricious.
Remember, the Federal Government only has our best interest at heart and
if you don't believe me, go read the Patriot Act! They are just trying to
protect us!
(For the humor impaired: the previous was a pathetic attempt at humor utilized
as a desperate last-ditch effort to try not to cry in the face of almost unbelievable
frustration.)
Has anyone else read _Unintended_Consequences_," by John Ross? If you haven't,
pick up a copy. Just don't be put off by the stupid picture on the front of
the dust jacket.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
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| Subject: | Southern Aviator and aviation magazine |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Folks,
Spoke to Tom Norton today he is a journalist for the magazines above about a
story and suggested to him that as he will be at Sun & Fun that he hook up
with you guys down there. If you want to follow up on this contact me off
list about it.
Gus Fraser
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| Subject: | Re: Why I get easily p---ed !!!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
A PDF of the actual rule is at:
http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p77/257434.pdf
The place to make comments is:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResultsSimple.cfm?numberValue=4521&searchType=docket
Jon
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Troops,
>
> At our ground school today a bit of time was spent on talking about the
> proposed "National Air Tour Safety Standards FAA-1998-4521" Some of the
> proposal is really really FLAT ASS DUMB!
>
> 1. One part in effect will only allow nonprofit organizations to have
> just 4 YES FOUR (4) events a year to give rides AND - get this - the
> rides are not to use the same pilots!!!!!! These are the details in
> this stupid bunch of crap.
> Those nonprofit organizations? Us, ( yes RPA if we wanted to) EAA, CAF,
> Yankee Air Force, etc., etc.
>
> Now get this. We have an FAA FSDO guy sitting in our ground school.
> His office is not even aware of this proposal!!
>
> If this proposal goes though, none absolutely none, of the above
> organization will be able to fly their warbirds around the country.
> Period. Some 700 Mom & Pop Part 91 FBOs that give rides are about to
> be put out of busness.
>
> The close of the comments for or against the proposed regulation has
> been extended until April. If you're against please make your feeling
> and concerns known. Go to http//www. DMS.DOT.gov to get to the
> comments page. I have not been there yet but look for-DOC. FAA
> 1998-4521. Send e-mails to
> Alberta.Brown@FAA.gov.
>
> NOT to make political comments but guess who was the instigator of this
> bull shit?
>
> New York Senator Hillary R. Clinton. No lie. Maybe some of you New
> Yorkers can drop a nasty letter to her office. She certainly won't
> listen to anyone who can't vote for her.
>
>
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
> "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
> grapes until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
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| Subject: | Unintended Consequences |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Desmor944@aol.com
I have to second Brian's review of this book. It's scary to think of how
easily this work of fiction could become reality. A must read.
By the way, this isn't too far off topic. John Ross flies behind an M-14P as
well.
Rich Desmond
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| Subject: | Re:Why I get easily p---ed !!!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
Friends,
Of course I second Jim's letter writing suggestions, but I am going a
step farther and suggest that each of you do the same.
In addition to contacting our aviation community friends I am also
sending request for letters to the members of other (non
aviation)organizations I belong to. With a well written explanation of
what rights all of us (not just pilots) are about to loose, maybe we can
effect a few more thousand letters of comment.
Finally, I am taking Jim's suggestion and contacting any friends and
acquaintances I know in New York.
Thanks Jim!
tc
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| Subject: | What I wrote guys. |
keith.goolsby@eds.com, gaf127enl@msn.com, MDSHELLEY@aol.com,
yakjock@msn.com, walterfricke@yahoo.com, finleycj6@juno.com,
BDorsey777@aol.com, dabear@damned.org, tcalloway@hangar-d.com,
mason.t@worldnet.att.net, wpairprt@tdstelme.net, radialpower@cox.net,
FamilyGage@aol.com, rvfltd@televar.com, cd001633@mindspring.com,
ernest.martinez@oracle.com, FOUGAPILOT@aol.com, N23GD@yahoo.com,
jtobul@tobul.com, KILOUSMC@aol.com, tormentor34@netzero.net
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
I am deeply concerned and have very negative conclusions about the proposed
rule FAA 1998-4521
The evidence put forth does not support this rule. The evidence to me, in
fact, shows a lack of oversight by the local FSDO in Hawaii. There is NO overall
evidence that the entire national Part 91 operators are endangering the
uninformed sight seeing public.
Every nonprofit Part 91 flying organization under the Exemption Letter that
am very acquainted with, as be an active participant with over the last seven
years, have had 0 injuries and 0 fatalities. The very evidence to support this
proposal PROVIDED by the writers, show fatalities by Part 135 operators is
higher than Part 91. Also some 20% of the total accidents (i.e., balloons) are
excluded from this legislation. This doesn't make sense.
I also believe the cost analyze in this proposal is very unrealistic in the
least. Post 9/11 business conditions and regulations have already done
considerable harm to general aviation.
Many if not all the nonprofit aviation organization (EAA, Commemorative Air
Force, Collings Foundation, National Warplane Museum, Yankee Air Force, to name
just a few) cannot survive without donations associated with a flight
experience or special donations to keep certain rare aircraft flying for the
historical and education of the American public. This legislation as written would
ground those flight and thus is a direct contradiction of the FAA's
Congressional mandate to foster and expand aviation.
Respectfully submit that in my 49 years as a pilot (major airlines and
enthusiast) this is one of the worst proposed legislation, and ask that it be SHIT
CANNED.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | What I wrote - - - |
keith.goolsby@eds.com, gaf127enl@msn.com, MDSHELLEY@aol.com,
yakjock@msn.com, walterfricke@yahoo.com, finleycj6@juno.com,
BDorsey777@aol.com, dabear@damned.org, tcalloway@hangar-d.com,
mason.t@worldnet.att.net, wpairprt@tdstelme.net, radialpower@cox.net,
FamilyGage@aol.com, rvfltd@televar.com, cd001633@mindspring.com,
ernest.martinez@oracle.com, FOUGAPILOT@aol.com, N23GD@yahoo.com,
jtobul@tobul.com, KILOUSMC@aol.com, tormentor34@netzero.net
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Na Na. I didn't say "SHIT CANNED" but words to that effect.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
If someone has a clear understanding of this, I'm all ears.
If I'm flying an experimental aircraft, as an individual, and I take
someone up for a charitable purpose...
a) We can do aerobatics and formation? Or not?
b) Reimbursement for the flight (to me) is limited to half the fuel and
oil? Or all the fuel/oil? What are "airport expenses"?
c) Does having a commercial certificate change (b) in any way?
d) How does the NPRM that's circulating change things for an individual?
e) How does the NPRM change this for a non-profit flying museum if:
e1) The passenger makes a donation to the museum?
e2) The museum is helping out the Red Cross and the passenger makes a
donation to them and the Red Cross cuts a check for the gas?
Thanks,
Jon - who's just read enough FARs to make his head hurt
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| Subject: | Why I get easily p---ed !!!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
I almost wrote this letter about a month ago but resisted the urge to
stray off topic for the list. But it has occurred to me that it is not
off topic because government rules like this one are just more examples
of an over-reaching government. The net effect of each one of these laws
is the taking away your freedoms, rights and liberties as they add up
and add up again and again to the point where every little action of
your life is somehow prescribed by some law.
As has been said, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".
Well, each new government law (by itself) usually don't affect us very
much and they're all passed with good intentions (like the law that says
you must wear seat belts or a helmet). But if you add up that law with
all the other laws they have passed that are all designed to protect
you, you wind up with a sum total that restricts your life and your
freedoms. It hits us here in aviation as this recent FAA proposal
demonstrates but it goes way beyond that too. This non-stop, constant
barrage of new laws affects virtually every other aspect of your life as
well. We need to fight this ongoing trend as each new law is just one
more little tiny straw on the camels back.
When was the last time you saw our government pass a law that increased
your freedoms or liberties? The overwhelming bias is toward further
restrictions on your rights and liberties. It's a trend that has to be
stopped. The actions of our lawmakers would do mother Russia proud! I,
for one, am sick of being over-regulated.
Frank
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