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1. 02:27 AM - Re: Spinners (Brian Lloyd)
2. 06:20 AM - Tach Generator (Marshall)
3. 07:01 AM - VAC Tico (Bill Walker)
4. 07:03 AM - Re: Spinners (Carl W.Hays Enterprises)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Tach Generator (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 07:09 AM - Re: Spinners (cjpilot710@aol.com)
7. 08:13 AM - Re: Chip detector - Aluminium (Jorgen Nielsen)
8. 08:15 AM - Re: Spinners (Jorgen Nielsen)
9. 08:29 AM - Re: VAC Tico (cpayne@joimail.com)
10. 08:55 AM - Re: Tach Generator (Doug Sapp)
11. 11:41 AM - Re: Tach Generator (Marshall)
12. 03:39 PM - [ Craig Payne ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
13. 03:49 PM - Re: [ Craig Payne ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (ByronMFox@aol.com)
14. 03:51 PM - Re: [ Craig Payne ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Jerome Van der Schaar)
15. 04:36 PM - 4th annual Sun n Fun BBQ 2004 (David Stroud)
16. 05:44 PM - Re: Spinners (Brian Lloyd)
17. 07:01 PM - Sun & Fun stuff. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 07:18 PM - More S&F stuff (cjpilot710@aol.com)
19. 07:24 PM - Re: VAC Tico (cjpilot710@aol.com)
20. 07:25 PM - Re: Enhanced photo (cpayne@joimail.com)
21. 10:12 PM - Re: Re: Enhanced photo (ByronMFox@aol.com)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Roger Bieberdorf wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Bieberdorf
> <rogerbyak@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey Brian; did Betty have one of those?
A Les Crowder spinner? Yes.
> And did Betty have the stock 285?
Yes.
> If Betty did have one of those, did you remove the cowl gills;
Not by my choice but, yes, they were removed. When I purchased the airplane I
explicitly requested of Yakity Yaks that the gill louvers remain but the airplane
was delivered to me with the spinner (unordered) and without the gill louvers.
I requested that they be returned to me but they never were. After Fred's
death I quit trying to get them back.
> and is that your reference to the overcooling?
Yes. In the summer my CHT would reach 160C in a climb. Cruise CHT in summer would
be around 140C. In winter my CHTs ran more like 120C, well below normal
for the engine. It ran well and oil consumption was lower than most other CJs
so I didn't complain too much.
> If you still have a picture; I would like to see it again. rb
The best set of pictures is at http://www.matronics.com/yak18
Of those the best picture of the spinner is probably:
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Scans/Yak18/HiRes/HiRes13.jpg
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Marshall <nx4me@earthlink.net>
We have a Horizon digital tach on our aircraft and we would like to remove the
Tach Generator. Does anyone make a block off plate for the tach drive port on
the engine (M14)?
Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Marshall
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bill Walker" <bwalker11@charter.net>
Is anyone planning to be at TICO, March 13 & 14 and (or) the formation practice
begining on Wed 10th with a CJ or Yak?
Bill Walker
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Carl W.Hays Enterprises" <yakparts@simplyweb.net>
Group,
We also carry the Yak 18T Spinners. I have one left in stock. I also
carry those spare screws and receptacles that attach the spinner to the
backing plate. You can contact me off list.
Jill Gernetzke
Carl W. Hays Enterprises
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> 1. 05:18 AM - Spinners (Frank Haertlein)
> 2. 05:56 AM - Re: Spinners (KJKimball@aol.com)
> 3. 06:20 AM - Re: Spinners (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 4. 06:29 AM - Re: Spinners (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 5. 08:07 AM - Re: DOSAAF (SWP013@aol.com)
> 6. 08:08 AM - Spinners (Joe Howse)
> 7. 09:13 AM - Re: Spinners (Doug Sapp)
> 8. 11:11 AM - Stainless Steel Exhaust 285HP CJ6A (Dave Laird)
> 9. 12:17 PM - Chip detector - Aluminium (Jorgen Nielsen)
> 10. 12:48 PM - Re: Chip detector - Aluminium (Ernie)
> 11. 12:49 PM - Re: Chip detector - Aluminium (Bruce Campbell)
> 12. 03:24 PM - Re: Spinner (cpayne@joimail.com)
> 13. 04:21 PM - Re: Spinners (Brian Lloyd)
> 14. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: Spinner (johnlans)
> 15. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: Spinner (Jim Griffin)
> 16. 09:05 PM - Re: Spinners (Roger Bieberdorf)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:18:10 AM PST US
> From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Spinners
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Yaksters,
> Thinking of getting a spinner for my 52. I'm told this obviates the
> need
> for cowl louvers and helps speed up the plane a little. I have my own
> thoughts on the matter but want to get your opinions. Anyone have any
> sources on where to get them? I'm considering the unit made for the
> Pitts Model 12.
>
> Any thoughts pro or con?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Frank Haertlein
> YAK-52
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:56:59 AM PST US
> From: KJKimball@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spinners
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: KJKimball@aol.com
>
> Frank,
>
> The spinner on the Pitts Model 12 is an MT assembly made to fit the
> MTV9 3
> blade hub. If you have an MTV9 3 blade prop and the 14" spinner, it
> is possible
>
> to switch to the larger model 12 spinner by purchasing the spinner
> dome,
> bulkheads. This spinner is not designed to fit the V-530 prop and to
> my
> knowledge, has not been adapted to a 2 blade prop as of yet.
>
> There are two model 12s flying with the V530 prop and Yak 18 spinner
> designed
> for the 2 blade prop. These are available but hard to find spinners.
> Maybe
> some in the Yak community can help you find one of these if you have
> the 530
> prop.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
> Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
> PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
> Zellwood, FL 32798
> 407-889-3451 phone
> 407-889-7168 fax
> www.jimkimballenterprises.com
> www.pittsmodel12.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:20:24 AM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spinners
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/3/2004 8:57:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> KJKimball@aol.com writes:
>
>>
>> There are two model 12s flying with the V530 prop and Yak 18 spinner
>> designed
>> for the 2 blade prop. These are available but hard to find spinners.
>> Maybe
>
>>
>> some in the Yak community can help you find one of these if you have
>> the 530
>
>>
>> prop.
> The only thing I could had to Kevin's comments. The Yak 18T spinner
> will
> fit, however it's back plate covers up the timing marks on the prop
> flange. I
>
> end up using a swing weight protractor to set my mags.
>
> Also I would not eliminate the louvers. Although these engine are
> really
> quite tough, shock cooling is still hard any engine.
>
> I don't think you gain much speed with the spinner. It makes sense
> but I
> could not measure it on my M-14p powered CJ-6a.
>
> It sure gives the engine and plane, a mocho look with that big spinner
> and
> thick bladed prop. Not that Curtis's plane doesn't have "the look" to
> begin
> with. :)
>
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
> "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
> grapes
> until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:29:20 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spinners
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Frank,
> If you have the standard Russian V530 paddle prop, the best solution
> is the
> Yak 18T spinner. Retain the cooling louvers regardless of which
> spinner you
> use. Unless of course you choose to use one of the original Les
> Crowder
> designs which if I'm not mistaken, could not be installed if the
> cooling
> louvers were retained.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Spinners
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Yaksters,
>> Thinking of getting a spinner for my 52. I'm told this obviates the
>> need
>> for cowl louvers and helps speed up the plane a little. I have my own
>> thoughts on the matter but want to get your opinions. Anyone have any
>> sources on where to get them? I'm considering the unit made for the
>> Pitts Model 12.
>>
>> Any thoughts pro or con?
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Frank Haertlein
>> YAK-52
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:07:08 AM PST US
> From: SWP013@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: DOSAAF
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: SWP013@aol.com
>
> Mark,
>
> How do I get a copy?
>
> Sam "SPUD" Patellos
> YAK-52 N444YK
> Cape Cod, MA, USA
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:08:23 AM PST US
> From: Joe Howse <joeh@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Yak-List: Spinners
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Joe Howse <joeh@shaw.ca>
>
> We tried one of Les Crowder's spinners on 285HP CJ6 which required
> removing the
> shutters.
> Cylinder temp. ran too cold with no increase in speed.
> Only plus was it looked great!
>
> Joe Howse
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:13:30 AM PST US
> From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spinners
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Lister, lurkers and Kevin,
> I carry the Yak 18T spinners (for the V530 prop) in stock.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> KJKimball@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spinners
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: KJKimball@aol.com
>
> Frank,
>
> The spinner on the Pitts Model 12 is an MT assembly made to fit the
> MTV9 3
> blade hub. If you have an MTV9 3 blade prop and the 14" spinner, it is
> possible
> to switch to the larger model 12 spinner by purchasing the spinner
> dome,
> bulkheads. This spinner is not designed to fit the V-530 prop and to
> my
> knowledge, has not been adapted to a 2 blade prop as of yet.
>
> There are two model 12s flying with the V530 prop and Yak 18 spinner
> designed
> for the 2 blade prop. These are available but hard to find spinners.
> Maybe
> some in the Yak community can help you find one of these if you have
> the 530
> prop.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
> Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
> PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
> Zellwood, FL 32798
> 407-889-3451 phone
> 407-889-7168 fax
> www.jimkimballenterprises.com
> www.pittsmodel12.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:11:48 AM PST US
> From: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Stainless Steel Exhaust 285HP CJ6A
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> I just got finished putting a new stainless steel exhaust system on my
> 285HP CJ6A.
> I bought it from Doug Sapp and as he promised, it went on really
> easily.
> It is apparently made in the same jigs in which the original exhaust
> was built, so the fit was perfect!
>
> So just a little plug for Doug:
>
> Thanks for getting this stuff for us so we can keep 'em flying!
>
>
> Now if I can only scrounge up some money to add that smoke system....
>
>
> Dave Laird
> N63536 "Betty"
> Dallas
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:17:48 PM PST US
> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> Subject: Yak-List: Chip detector - Aluminium
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Hi All
>
> For the engine pros: My yak's chip detector came on a couple days ago.
> After pulling filters etc., found some "dust" in oil and a couple tiny
> round particles of metal. These could easily be squashed by hand using
> flat screwdriver on spanner - metal was therefore soft (aluminium).
> Changed oil, cleaned all filters, ran engine on ground for 1/2 hour,
> cleaned and checked again, then flew. So far so good. Aircraft just
> had annual.
>
> Any ideas where aluminium could come from??
> Could the tiny balls be formed by current pasing through ali dust on
> chip detector?
>
> Regards
> Jorgen
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:48:27 PM PST US
> From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chip detector - Aluminium
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Could have been lead.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> Subject: Yak-List: Chip detector - Aluminium
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> For the engine pros: My yak's chip detector came on a couple days
>> ago.
>> After pulling filters etc., found some "dust" in oil and a couple tiny
>> round particles of metal. These could easily be squashed by hand
>> using
>> flat screwdriver on spanner - metal was therefore soft (aluminium).
>> Changed oil, cleaned all filters, ran engine on ground for 1/2 hour,
>> cleaned and checked again, then flew. So far so good. Aircraft just
>> had annual.
>>
>> Any ideas where aluminium could come from??
>> Could the tiny balls be formed by current pasing through ali dust on
>> chip detector?
>>
>> Regards
>> Jorgen
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:49:07 PM PST US
> From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch@intelligentflight.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chip detector - Aluminium
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell"
> <baruch@intelligentflight.com>
>
> I think they are probably lead.
>
> Bruce Campbell
> Yak52 n82623
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> Subject: Yak-List: Chip detector - Aluminium
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> For the engine pros: My yak's chip detector came on a couple days
>> ago.
>> After pulling filters etc., found some "dust" in oil and a couple tiny
>> round particles of metal. These could easily be squashed by hand
>> using
>> flat screwdriver on spanner - metal was therefore soft (aluminium).
>> Changed oil, cleaned all filters, ran engine on ground for 1/2 hour,
>> cleaned and checked again, then flew. So far so good. Aircraft just
>> had annual.
>>
>> Any ideas where aluminium could come from??
>> Could the tiny balls be formed by current pasing through ali dust on
>> chip detector?
>>
>> Regards
>> Jorgen
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:24:22 PM PST US
> From: cpayne@joimail.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spinner
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
>
> Would anyone happen to have one of those Les Crowder
> spinners for sale? The ones that doesn't seem to do any
> good, according to yak-list wisdom.
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:21:45 PM PST US
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spinners
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> Frank Haertlein wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Yaksters,
>> Thinking of getting a spinner for my 52. I'm told this obviates the
>> need
>
> It will not make your airplane fly any faster and it will not
> materially affect
> cooling so if you remove the louvers your engine will run cool. Do it
> for the
> looks. If the looks are not that important, save your money.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
>
> There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
> A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:45:11 PM PST US
> From: "johnlans" <johnlans@flash.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Spinner
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "johnlans" <johnlans@flash.net>
>
> Les has them in stock now. They are the best looking spinner I have
> seen on
> the 52 or CJ.
> You can contact Les at SkylanesUS@aol.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cpayne@joimail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spinner
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
>>
>> Would anyone happen to have one of those Les Crowder
>> spinners for sale? The ones that doesn't seem to do any
>> good, according to yak-list wisdom.
>>
>> Craig Payne
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:29:53 PM PST US
> From: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Spinner
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
>
> Hey Craig, I've got one on my plane but I sure don't want to sell it.
> My
> cylinder head temps are a little low but the engine still runs great
> with
> 600 hrs behind the spinner. I don't think low temps are a problem but
> rapid
> temp changes are. I think the spinner does make it faster but my plane
> is
> light also, so it's hard to tell what contributes the most.
> Jim Griffin
> CJ6-A 273SC
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cpayne@joimail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spinner
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
>>
>> Would anyone happen to have one of those Les Crowder
>> spinners for sale? The ones that doesn't seem to do any
>> good, according to yak-list wisdom.
>>
>> Craig Payne
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:05:44 PM PST US
> From: Roger Bieberdorf <rogerbyak@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spinners
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Bieberdorf <rogerbyak@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey Brian; did Betty have one of those? And did Betty have the stock
> 285? If Betty
> did have one of those, did you remove the cowl gills; and is that your
> reference
> to the overcooling? If you still have a picture; I would like to see
> it
> again. rb
>
> Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by:
> Brian Lloyd
>
>
> Frank Haertlein wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>
>> Yaksters,
>> Thinking of getting a spinner for my 52. I'm told this obviates the
>> need
>
> It will not make your airplane fly any faster and it will not
> materially affect
> cooling so if you remove the louvers your engine will run cool. Do it
> for the
> looks. If the looks are not that important, save your money.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
>
> There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
> A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 2/4/2004 9:21:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
nx4me@earthlink.net writes:
> We have a Horizon digital tach on our aircraft and we would like to remove
> the Tach Generator. Does anyone make a block off plate for the tach drive
> port on the engine (M14)?
>
> Any information would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
There is a plate on the HS-6 (if you still have it) you can use. Fits
perfectly.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
I personally didn't think Crowder's spinner was very pretty. That's because
I'm bit of a traditionalist, thus my view is not valid. And there's no
accountability for taste (Just replay your super bowl tapes).
That type of spinner was tried a number of times (prototype FW-190 and even
earlier in a Dupressin) and it never became a permeant fixture.
In formations it ruins the formation's visual balance and geometry. Brain
flew a great formation wing but his airplane only looked balanced in the
formation when he was in lead. (Sorry old buddy :) )
But the cooling bit is a factor. It is not so much how cool it stays at
constant power BUT there is a minimum there, but shock cooling is definitely a
factor. This design of louvers is the best defence against it. It is even
better than our western cowl flaps. On the B-17 & B24 even after a :25 minutes
of
flight, as we approach the field, our procedure is to reduce power 1" manifold
pressure each minute. Even with our cowl flaps still closed, we are
concerned about the front side of the cylinders and that cold air (relatively
speaking) is getting to them.
With the louvers, one simply closes off some of that cold air. These engines
may last several hundred hours without much attention to cooling. Figure
that each flight is one hour long and you fly, say 75 hours a year, and put a
hypothetical number of hours, say 300, that the engine may last without regard
to
shock cooling. That's 4 years before that engine may (or may not) crap out.
If it goes to 500 hours that's 6.6 years.
MY experience is: my engine has 911 hours on it right now. I have not done a
compression check for this years annual yet but at the last one, (139 hours
ago) at 772 hours the lowest cylinder was 77/80. She is still not making
medal. I keep the average temp between 180 & 190. Coming down hill, I close the
louvers some and keep the temps warm. Now I don't do hard acro either. All my
manuvers are done at 2400 rpm and 800 whatevers. I'm an old man you see. :]
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Chip detector - Aluminium |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
OK, so next question, where does the lead come from? Have you guys
(Bruce & Ernie) had this before as well?
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Campbell
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chip detector - Aluminium
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bruce Campbell"
--> <baruch@intelligentflight.com>
I think they are probably lead.
Bruce Campbell
Yak52 n82623
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From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Subject: Yak-List: Chip detector - Aluminium
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
<jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Hi All
>
> For the engine pros: My yak's chip detector came on a couple days
> ago. After pulling filters etc., found some "dust" in oil and a couple
> tiny round particles of metal. These could easily be squashed by hand
> using flat screwdriver on spanner - metal was therefore soft
> (aluminium). Changed oil, cleaned all filters, ran engine on ground
> for 1/2 hour, cleaned and checked again, then flew. So far so good.
> Aircraft just had annual.
>
> Any ideas where aluminium could come from??
> Could the tiny balls be formed by current pasing through ali dust on
> chip detector?
>
> Regards
> Jorgen
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Agreed based on a friends experience here - no change re speed etc.,
purely cosmetic.
Jorgen
It will not make your airplane fly any faster and it will not materially
affect cooling so if you remove the louvers your engine will run cool.
Do it for the looks. If the looks are not that important, save your
money.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
Sounds like fun. That's why I'm living here in FL! Do I have
to be a VAC member to participate?
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Marshal,
I think I may have one, I'll check later today, check back with me tomorrow.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marshall
Subject: Yak-List: Tach Generator
--> Yak-List message posted by: Marshall <nx4me@earthlink.net>
We have a Horizon digital tach on our aircraft and we would like to remove
the Tach Generator. Does anyone make a block off plate for the tach drive
port on the engine (M14)?
Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Marshall
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Marshall <nx4me@earthlink.net>
Doug,
Thanks for looking. I will check back with you.
Marshall
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Subject: RE: Yak-List: Tach Generator
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Marshal,
I think I may have one, I'll check later today, check back with me tomorrow.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marshall
Subject: Yak-List: Tach Generator
--> Yak-List message posted by: Marshall <nx4me@earthlink.net>
We have a Horizon digital tach on our aircraft and we would like to remove
the Tach Generator. Does anyone make a block off plate for the tach drive
port on the engine (M14)?
Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Marshall
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| Subject: | [ Craig Payne ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available:
Poster: Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com>
Subject: Enhanced image of flow field
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/cpayne@joimail.com.02.04.2004/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: [ Craig Payne ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
In a message dated 2/4/04 3:40:40 PM, pictures@matronics.com writes:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/cpayne@joimail.com.02.04.2004/index.html
>
I have taken the picture of me doing a low pass in the rain and removed most
of the rain background and enhanced the spray to better show the lift field
around the CJ. Note that the considerable low pressure area around the canopy.
I'm not a student of any kind, Craig . Help me. If you enhanced the spray,
why is the result more than a picture of just spray bouncing off the largest
cross section of the airplane? Thanks, Blitz
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
Why don't you ad it to www.yakkes.com images?
Good thumbernails, updated weekly.
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>Subject: Yak-List: [ Craig Payne ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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| Subject: | 4th annual Sun n Fun BBQ 2004 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
I'll wine ( beer ) and dine 10, CJ/Yakkers all night long for a ride. I heard
you
lads don't like beer too much anyway..just an idea as I've got a bad case of radial
fever.
Dave Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: David Stroud
Subject: [Christavia] Sun n Fun BBQ 2004
Excellent, ...It's a go. We've had enough response to commit to another BBQ this
year, the fourth
annual in fact, much in the same format as the previous ones. Here's the drill
for those never having attended.
When: Friday, April 16, 2004 Anytime after 4 pm till whenever.
Where: At our trailer which will be parked beside or close to the fence in the
Overflow Camp Ground
which is just about South of the threshold of Runway 9. Make your
way to the Campground
Host's Kiosk which is at the entrance to this Campground. They will
have a locator map to
tell you exactly where we are on the campground. It's random parking
with no specific lots etc.
Look for the Green Dodge 1/2 Ton, the White 27' AWARD trailer and
the Canadian Flag on the pole.
What: Expect to be served BBQ Pork Tenderloin on a Kaiser, potato salad, cole
slaw, dill pickles,
natcho chips w/ salsa etc. We'll have a selection of suds in the
coolers, as well as a selection
of other misc beverages. If you've got a lawn chair, please bring
it. We ask for a $$ "donation"
of that famous corn on the cob too...thanks, Dave.
Your turn: This BBQ thrives on RSVP's and we really can't really do it without
them. We do bring extra
food and beverages and and if you bring over an extra person or two
at the last minute, we can
probably handly it. In fact, we encourage it as we've had a few no
shows too. Not many, but a
few. Pat Panzera of Contact magazine has generously offered the Contact
Magazine Kiosk in
Building C, space 63 as a method of last minute reservations, or
adjustments etc. Last call
trailer during the week too if you come over before we leave the
site to pick up the supplies
on Thursday morning. So, please email me directly davestroud@rogers.com
for a firm
RSVP. Everyone who has indicated that they are interested already,
thanks and please email
me one more time to confirm your RSVP, indicating where you are from
roughly and of
course, the number of people in your party. Then, please indicate
your preference of beverage
so we can get that nailed down too. We head South on April 5th so
try to get your RSVP to me
before then if you can. This invtation is open to everyone but will
be limited to about 60 people.
Thanks for your support. We enjoy doing it.
Dave Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> In formations it ruins the formation's visual balance and geometry. Brain
> flew a great formation wing but his airplane only looked balanced in the
> formation when he was in lead. (Sorry old buddy :) )
No worries.
> But the cooling bit is a factor. It is not so much how cool it stays at
> constant power BUT there is a minimum there, but shock cooling is definitely
a
> factor.
Well, I am going to disagree with you here. The issue with shock cooling is rapid
change in temperature, not just low temperature. My CHTs were consistently
low but the rate of change in CHT was never very fast even when I reduced power
in the pattern so I never worried about shock cooling.
OTOH, let your CHTs get high and then yank the louvers wide open you are going
to cool the engine off pretty darned fast.
> This design of louvers is the best defense against it. It is even
> better than our western cowl flaps. On the B-17 & B24 even after a :25 minutes
of
> flight, as we approach the field, our procedure is to reduce power 1" manifold
> pressure each minute. Even with our cowl flaps still closed, we are
> concerned about the front side of the cylinders and that cold air (relatively
> speaking) is getting to them.
>
> With the louvers, one simply closes off some of that cold air.
Yes, if used wisely the louvers will let you keep the engine toasty warm even if
you yank the power all the way off.
> These engines
> may last several hundred hours without much attention to cooling. Figure
> that each flight is one hour long and you fly, say 75 hours a year, and put a
> hypothetical number of hours, say 300, that the engine may last without regard
to
> shock cooling. That's 4 years before that engine may (or may not) crap out.
> If it goes to 500 hours that's 6.6 years.
Betty showed no compression problems or significant change in oil usage after something
like the 700 hours I had her even with the big spinner and low CHTs.
> MY experience is: my engine has 911 hours on it right now. I have not done a
> compression check for this years annual yet but at the last one, (139 hours
> ago) at 772 hours the lowest cylinder was 77/80. She is still not making
> medal. I keep the average temp between 180 & 190. Coming down hill, I close
the
> louvers some and keep the temps warm. Now I don't do hard acro either. All
my
> manuvers are done at 2400 rpm and 800 whatevers. I'm an old man you see. :]
FWIW, I have the much smaller MT spinner for "The Project".
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brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
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A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Sun & Fun stuff. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
The Leeward Flyout at S&F this year is set for Friday the 16th.
I'm still waiting to hear from the airboss what days we'll be expected to fly
formation in the show.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Just a reminder.
The Howard Johnson (863-294-7321) rooms @ $59./nite are only good to the
'release date' of March 13th. The hotel will not hold that block of rooms at that
price, after that date. At present there are 11 rooms left.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
I had planned on going, however the Collings folks want me to work the B-24
until we take it to Brooksville for maintenance on March 14th.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Re: Enhanced photo |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cpayne@joimail.com
Blitz,
The weather condition was VFR turning IFR real quickly, what
was good visibility rapidly became foggy with a shift of
winds along the front. Hence, the "spray" is really a
combination of rain and mist that defines the low pressure
region over the aircraft, as viewed from head-on.
I have often seen some of this as a backseater on airliners
when sitting on a window seat over the wing where the dew
point spread is about 1 or 2 degrees on approach or
climbout. The photo was shot with a 6+ megapixel SLR on zoom
which compresses the depth of field. The camera "saw" what
the eye might only glimpse, the computer software (Adobe)
washed out the background and I colored what was left to
make it visible. Sure wish I had the same sort of profile
view to work with.
I see a T-shirt graphic here.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Enhanced photo |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
In a message dated 2/4/04 7:25:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cpayne@joimail.com writes:
Hence, the "spray" is really a
combination of rain and mist that defines the low pressure
region over the aircraft, as viewed from head-on.
Thanks, Craig. I get it. ...Blitz
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