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1. 06:34 AM - stormscope - nexrad (Drew Eginton)
2. 08:41 AM - Re: Stormscope v. in flight weather (Ernie)
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| Subject: | stormscope - nexrad |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Eginton <deginton@marketswitch.com>
I've been flying a Viking up and down the east coast, summers, for 10
years, which means thunderstorm avoidance is normal course. Virginia means
boomers, May through September. Avoidance is greatly complicated by a
rigid, sometimes intractable ATC environment, owing to congestion. For me
the best thunderstom avoidance is a turbo and to fly in the mid-teens,
because then I have a visual on a lot of the bad stuff. But you can't get
15K in a light plane between Teterboro and Dulles. You're given 7K, and
if you don't like it, take the train. (And on approach, you're down in the
soup, period.) I'll tell you, flying in Iowa is a ton easier. Therefore I
believe I need electronic avoidance technology.
Forced to choose avoidance technologies, I'd choose the Stormscope. The
reasons are below, as are my reasons to soon add Nexrad. I tried the
Garmin/Orbital system, which promised to display Nexrad on my existing
530/430 setup. But that link is too poor, and as noted, Garmin is moving
to the XM system on their new stuff. I pulled it out. That means I'll
have to have a third display if I want Nexrad -- not a good thing -- which
will precipitate the big move away from my aged and handsome Jepp binders
into the paperless chart era.
The reason I want both is that, while the Stormscope can be trusted to
measure spherics, you can get knocked around by simple "heavy rain". Also,
the controllers aren't looking at spheric data -- they're looking at radar
(reflected moisture). Since, in the BOS-IAD corridor, negotiation with ATC
is the key to a quick trip home, I want to see what they see. Also, I have
been beat to pieces a couple of times in the last few years in "heavy
rain": the stormscope showed no electron shear, but I was going up and
down 3000 fpm, slowing to Va, dropping the gear, etc. This was an
adventure, once, but now I don't like landing with ripped fabric in my
empennage and my leading edge abraded all the way down to the wood, as
happened on a trip back from Maine last summer through "heavy rain." What
I like about the Stormscope is this: leaving Ohio last summer the Nexrad
showed a vicious line of thunderstorms, my stormscope showed a clear avenue
through the line, and while the controller expressed concern (he just saw a
vicious line of storms ahead of me) I posited the Stormscope view and slid
through -- in air as smooth as glass.
In sum, you can avoid the worst of it with a Stormscope. If you can avoid
both the areas of electron shear and the areas of heavy rain, you'll scare
fewer passengers. The Stormscope will still put you in moderate or severe
turbulence from time to time, and I mean severe by the book definition: you
will not be in command of the airplane, it will be flying you a little
bit. My view, further, is that if you're going to accept this fact, then
you need to brief yourself on how you're going to respond. I immediately
go to Va and extend gear. My view is that if ATC is going to run me into
the yellow stuff that I can't see because I don't have radar, they can
handle the flow control issues of a plane at 120 knots for seven
minutes. Since I subscibe to the view when flying IFR: "If you don't
know, you don't know" I am eager to add more information. Landing is not
practical when exiting NYC airspace at 4 p.m. If you don't think you can
manage the departure and steer clear of ugly stuff, the Acela or a Boeing
is a much better way to go.
What I'm looking for is a sunlight readable display that will handle charts
and WeatherWx, so maybe Jim Ivey's reference is it. I also detest cockpit
wire clutter. I've been looking at some military and marine specific
displays, that are super-bright, but they are all wired. Maybe this
E-Board that Jim references is it.
--drew eginton
Yak-50 N150YK
Bellanca 17-31ATC N777ML
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| Subject: | Re: Stormscope v. in flight weather |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
For the price I could just buy a tablet PC
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Stormscope v. in flight weather
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
>
> I forgot to mention the display I would switch to as of today would be the
> small E-Board unit from paperless cockpit. Here is the link:
>
> http://www.paperlesscockpit.com/artpub/sprtart.cfm?objectID=1010&typeID=87
>
> I loath wires in the cockpit and think a display should not be larger than
> half a sheet of notebook paper. This unit fits the bill as it is a
> completely wireless display utilizing a secured 802.11b wireless interface
> to a tucked away laptop or tablet.
>
> Jim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ivey
> > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 3:00 PM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com; commander-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Stormscope v. in flight weather
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
> >
> > Barry:
> >
> > You may well explore WxWorx. It seems to me to be the most
> > up to date weather out there and runs $49 per month. It's
> > based on XM Radio satellites and even has a version that
> > tracks your path via GPS inputs.
> >
> > http://www.wxworx.com/index.html
> >
> > The WxWorx unit is a small portable device designed to send
> > data to a display like a tablet PC or laptop. XM is what
> > Garmin is using in it's new 1000 series MFD/PFD system being
> > installed in new Cessnas and similar. Added benefit is full
> > XM programming (including weather channel).
> >
> > I flew with a friend who had Controlvision's Anywhere Weather
> > last Tuesday. It was okay but the Globalsat satellite phone
> > and wires everywhere were a bit much and the Nexrad display
> > seemed clunky. It did, however, have METARS and awos/asos
> > reports built in and email and updates could be accomplished
> > in flight. It was his first try with the unit and there were
> > some com port problems.
> >
> > http://www.controlvision.com
> >
> > I personally fly with the Controlvision Anywhere Map with
> > Bluetooth interface (i.e. no wires anywhere) and use an iPaq
> > 2215 for display. I also have XM radio (Delphi Roady) piped
> > into my stereo intercom. Were I to add in-flight weather
> > today it would be WxWorx.
> >
> > Jim Ivey
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Barry Hancock
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 10:47 AM
> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com; commander-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Yak-List: Stormscope v. in flight weather
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> > >
> > > Hi Gang,
> > >
> > > I'm trying to gather information on which is better if you can only
> > > have one. A storm scope or in-flight weather. Seems to me
> > > that if you
> > > have in-flight WX capability the storm scope becomes a moot point.
> > > Besides, I would rather have the decision making ability to
> > > fly around
> > > weather than to be emboldened to fly through it (well,
> > that's not my
> > > nature anyway, but you get the idea).
> > >
> > > It seems that the advantages of in-flight weather far outweigh the
> > > advantages of a storm scope. BUT, I know there are those on these
> > > lists that have far more experience with both these types
> > > than I do and
> > > would like your input on the debate!
> > >
> > > You can email me off-list, but I think this discussion might be
> > > beneficial to more than just myself.
> > >
> > > And, no, it's not for my CJ... :)
> > >
> > > Barry
> > >
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