Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:42 AM - Re: Pucker factor (YakL1@aol.com)
2. 05:01 AM - Docs and Bonanzas (James Enkema)
3. 05:51 AM - Good threads - (was Docs and Bonanzas) (Gus Fraser)
4. 06:59 AM - Pics (Frank Haertlein)
5. 07:39 AM - Re: Pics (Ernie)
6. 07:39 AM - Re: Pics (Ernie)
7. 08:21 AM - Re: Pics (Gus Fraser)
8. 08:29 AM - Re: Fw: Goerge Cambron Tribute Flybye at Louisville 3 Apr 04 (Gus Fraser)
9. 08:49 AM - S&F note. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 11:36 AM - All Red Star 2004 Itinerary (Barry Hancock)
11. 09:39 PM - Re: All Red Star 2004 Itinerary (Jay Bills)
12. 10:59 PM - All Red Star 2004 Itinerary and pricing (Mark Schrick)
13. 11:13 PM - Re: All Red Star 2004 Itinerary and pricing (Cory Emberson)
14. 11:43 PM - Re: All Red Star 2004 Itinerary (Sam Sax)
15. 11:53 PM - Re: All Red Star 2004 Itinerary and pricing (N13472@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Pucker factor |
--> Yak-List message posted by: YakL1@aol.com
Gents:
I must say that I am sorry to see the sorry reception given to my flying
colleagues who are practicing the Hippocratic arts. Thankfully, not all of us
are
in Bonanzas...some of us are flying Yaks and CJ's. Remember, docs are just
tradespeople trying to make a living and put a little 100LL in the tank. Most
docs are relatively underpaid, given the amount of training involved--most
make far, far less than airline captains (who may indeed be better pilots). Docs
also, generally, pay for their own medical, dental, disability and life
insurance and fund their own retirement completely on their own. Thank the good
Lord (I do, daily) that there is a little left over for that 100LL. It is rare,
but occasionally we even help people.
Now, let's get back to hating lawyers and politicians, whom we all can agree
deserve every ounce of venomous opprobrium.
John Zecherle MD
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| Subject: | Docs and Bonanzas |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "James Enkema" <lennoxlimited@earthlink.net>
John if I practiced medicine like most big bird drivers (jet jockeys) fly YAKs,
CJ's and Bonanzas I would not have my license long. I am the beneficiary of
a beautiful YAK 52 that was crunched on one of its first flights. This man had
many commercial ratings and paid megabucks to fly that heavy iron. Both medicine
and flying are learned skills that take practice and humility to keep that
edge. Nothing takes the place of setting aside time for continuing education
and recurrency training. Both Docs and airline captains have an abundance
of testosterone that have unfortunately have often killed them. I have two YAKs
and one A-36 Bonanza. I feel safer when I fly commercially when I learn they
are teaching more unusual attitude recovery in flight training using small
airplanes. Most pilots have never felt the sensation of flying inverted or up
close and personal with another plan. We are so very fortunate to have our FAST
tickets and aerobatic training. There are 50 Bonanzas flying for every one
of our birds. It is a certificated plane and ours are experimental. We don't
get as much press. We have been financially fortunate to afford to continue
our flight training in these great airplanes but we are all part of the same
aviation community. Some don't have the choices we have. We had a thread on
FOD recently which I really liked...let's find other safety issues and concerns
that we can share with fellow pilots and spend our time ragging on the lawyers!!
Jim Enkema
423-773-3398 TN Mobile
843-206-3398 SC Mobile
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| Subject: | Good threads - (was Docs and Bonanzas) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
See below
> We had a thread on FOD recently which I really liked...let's find other
safety issues and concerns that we can share with fellow pilots and spend
our time >ragging on the lawyers!!
>
>
>Jim Enkema
>423-773-3398 TN Mobile
>843-206-3398 SC Mobile
Jim that series of mails was initiated by Tom Johnson and was initiated by
insurance concerns. Tom, From your records, what are the big ticket items,
apart from the FOD issue ? If you have any analysis of failures/accidents I
think that knowledge of these issues would spark conversation, and then
understanding, and maybe avoidance.
But, until Tom can give us that I put forward for your consideration gear
warning systems, what have you done, how did you fit it what are the issues.
Gus
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Some great pics on this link.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=92664
There is a YAK shown but I don't know what model it is. Anyone know what
it is?
Thanks
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Looks like a YAK 3
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Pics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Some great pics on this link.
> http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=92664
>
> There is a YAK shown but I don't know what model it is. Anyone know what
> it is?
>
> Thanks
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Correction, I meant to say a YAK 11.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Pics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Some great pics on this link.
> http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=92664
>
> There is a YAK shown but I don't know what model it is. Anyone know what
> it is?
>
> Thanks
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Not only does it look like a Yak11 but I think it is Mark Jeffries one.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: Pics
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Some great pics on this link.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=92664
There is a YAK shown but I don't know what model it is. Anyone know what
it is?
Thanks
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
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| Subject: | Fw: Goerge Cambron Tribute Flybye at Louisville 3 Apr 04 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
My friend tried to get there but the weather stopped him getting there, He
did try though.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of WSC/Herb
Coussons
Subject: Yak-List: Fw: Goerge Cambron Tribute Flybye at Louisville 3 Apr
04
--> Yak-List message posted by: "WSC/Herb Coussons" <drc@wscare.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cappelletti, Thomas Maj" <Thomas.Cappelletti@dcma.mil>
Subject: Goerge Cambron Tribute Flybye at Louisville 3 Apr 04
Herb and Shane-
My name is Tom Cappelletti and I am a UPS 757 First Officer. I am trying to
put a 4 ship of Mig-17/15 aircraft to honor George Cambron at his funeral
service in SDF (louisville KY) this coming Saturday.
George died on Thursday when his Mig-17 crashed outside of Truth or
Consequences NM after departing Roswell NM for Deer Vally Airport in
Phoenix, AZ.
Together with 2500 UPS pilots in Louisville and all his USMC, L-39, and
Mig-17 friends we would like to honor our brother pilot.
As the SE and NC coordinator for the RPA, could you please help me reach
out to the MIG community to get some aircraft to SDF on Saturday ?
I am not a warbird pilot nor do I own one but I feel very strongly that we
should try and honor George in this manner. I had the privilage to fly with
him at UPS as his 757 co-pilot and lived in PHX for 5 years where I met him
coming and going from his jet.
We have facilities at Clark County Airport in IN set up to bed down any
aircraft who come in to town. The father of one of our UPS 757 Captains owns
the FBO there so he will accomodate all aircraft.
In addition we are trying to set a fund from our union, the IPA, to help
pay for gas and expenses for the pilots and their jets.
PLEASE HELP ME OUT GUYS !!!!!!!!!! I need a number for Will Ward in Saline,
MI and Dave Sutton in Reading, PA ASAP.
I can be reached at 303-522-2912 (cell) or email at tcplt@earthlink.net.
This email is my government email when I work in the AF Reserve.
Thanks for your assistance-
Tom Cappelletti
UPS 757 FO
Major, USAFR
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops headed for S&F,
The area where we will be tie-down our aircraft - has no tie downs. You will
need you own ropes and stakes.
Once again the airport is GIF (Winter Haven Gilford field)
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | All Red Star 2004 Itinerary |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Gang,
I'm currently working on getting the itinerary page up on the web site.
Some have emailed and asked for a schedule, so here it is! The big
thing is for *new* FAST students the ground school is Wed. afternoon
(the 12th). Thanks!
(Registration information is below the schedule)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
12 May Wednedsay: RPA FAST GROUND SCHOOL & CLINIC
0700 - 1830 Arrivals/In-Processing/Fam rides/Staff Meetings
1500 - 1800 RPA FAST Groundschool
1800 - 1830 Tomorrow's Preview
1900 - XXX Catered Dinner On-site
13 May Thursday: ALL RED STAR FAST/UAR TRAINING
0700 - 1700 Arrivals/In-Processing
0730 - 0800 Breakfast
0800 - 0830 General Daily Brief & Stand Up
0900 - 1800 FAST Formation Flight Training
0900 - 0945 Unusual Attitude/OCF Presentation and Review
1000 - 1800 UAR/OCF Training Available
1200 - 1300 Lunch!
1300 - 1800 Flight Training continued
1900 - 2000 Catered Dinner
1930 - 2015 ACE/Airshow Flying Presentation by Eddie Andreini
2015 - 2030 Tomorrow's Preview
2030 - ???? Crud practice
14 May Friday: FAST/ADVANCED FLIGHT TRAINING
0700 - 1700 Arrivals/In-Processing
0730 - 0800 Breakfast
0800 - 0830 General Daily Brief & Stand Up
0900 - 1000 Intro to TACFORM Presentation (ACM Part 1)
1030 - 1230 TACFORM Flight Training (ACM Part 1)
1200 - 1000 Lunch!
1300 - 1430 Air Combat Simulation Presentation (ACM Part 2)
1500 - 1700 ACM Training (ACM Part 2) 1
1730 - 1830 Annual Accident Brief and Analysis Forum (Jet and Prop)
1845 - 1945 Tri-tip BBQ on flight line w/fly-overs
2015 - 2030 Tomorrow's Preview
2030 - 2230 3rd Annual Last Man Standing Crud Tournament and
__________Carrier Landing Competition
15 May Saturday: COMPETITIONS/ SEMINARS/ TRAINING
0700 - 1700 Arrivals/In-Processing
0700 - 0730 Breakfast
0730 - 0815 General Daily Brief & Stand Up
0830 - 0930 2-ship Formation Bomb Drop Competition Brief
0900 - 1800 FAST Training Sorties/Check rides (as needed)
0930 - 1800 ACM Flight training Sorties (as needed)
1030 - 1130 2-ship Formation Bomb Drop Competition
1200 - 1300 Lunch!
1230 - 1530 Flight Line seminars on Airframe, Engines, Props & Systems
(props and jets, exact schedule TBD)
1300 - 1400 4-ship Formation Challenge Brief
1430 - 1530 2nd Annual 4-ship Formation Challenge
1600 - 1630 Flying Skills Competition Brief
1630 - 1730 Allen Silver Parachute Seminar
1700 - 1800 Flying Skills Competition
1830 - 1900 Movement to the Banquet Hall
1900 - 2200 Awards Ceremony/Banquet/Raffle.
Keynote Speaker: Capt. Steve Ritchie (USAF-Ret.)
Presentation: Landing on an Aircraft Carrier
16 May: MASS FORMATION / FINEX
0800 - 0830 Breakfast
0830 - 0930 General Brief/Mass Formation Ground Training
1100 - 1200 All Airframe Formations Pass-in-review
1200 - 1500 Lunch!/Departure and clean - up.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
To register for the event, just go to www.allredstar.com and follow the
links. (The link to the pay page is temporarily broken, so once you've
registered, go to the link below to directly access the pay page)
To proceed directly to the pay page if you have already registered, go
to
www.allredstar.com/2004pay.asp
BY PRE-PAYING YOU ARE RECEIVING A 10% DISCOUNT!
Just 38 days to All Red Star 2004!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Event Director
All Red Star 2004
(949) 300-5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
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| Subject: | Re: All Red Star 2004 Itinerary |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Bills <jsbinbox@yahoo.com>
Waaaaay too expensive!!!
Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry
Hancock
Gang,
I'm currently working on getting the itinerary page up on the web site.
Some have emailed and asked for a schedule, so here it is! The big
thing is for *new* FAST students the ground school is Wed. afternoon
(the 12th). Thanks!
(Registration information is below the schedule)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
12 May Wednedsay: RPA FAST GROUND SCHOOL & CLINIC
0700 - 1830 Arrivals/In-Processing/Fam rides/Staff Meetings
1500 - 1800 RPA FAST Groundschool
1800 - 1830 Tomorrow's Preview
1900 - XXX Catered Dinner On-site
13 May Thursday: ALL RED STAR FAST/UAR TRAINING
0700 - 1700 Arrivals/In-Processing
0730 - 0800 Breakfast
0800 - 0830 General Daily Brief & Stand Up
0900 - 1800 FAST Formation Flight Training
0900 - 0945 Unusual Attitude/OCF Presentation and Review
1000 - 1800 UAR/OCF Training Available
1200 - 1300 Lunch!
1300 - 1800 Flight Training continued
1900 - 2000 Catered Dinner
1930 - 2015 ACE/Airshow Flying Presentation by Eddie Andreini
2015 - 2030 Tomorrow's Preview
2030 - ???? Crud practice
14 May Friday: FAST/ADVANCED FLIGHT TRAINING
0700 - 1700 Arrivals/In-Processing
0730 - 0800 Breakfast
0800 - 0830 General Daily Brief & Stand Up
0900 - 1000 Intro to TACFORM Presentation (ACM Part 1)
1030 - 1230 TACFORM Flight Training (ACM Part 1)
1200 - 1000 Lunch!
1300 - 1430 Air Combat Simulation Presentation (ACM Part 2)
1500 - 1700 ACM Training (ACM Part 2) 1
1730 - 1830 Annual Accident Brief and Analysis Forum (Jet and Prop)
1845 - 1945 Tri-tip BBQ on flight line w/fly-overs
2015 - 2030 Tomorrow's Preview
2030 - 2230 3rd Annual Last Man Standing Crud Tournament and
__________Carrier Landing Competition
15 May Saturday: COMPETITIONS/ SEMINARS/ TRAINING
0700 - 1700 Arrivals/In-Processing
0700 - 0730 Breakfast
0730 - 0815 General Daily Brief & Stand Up
0830 - 0930 2-ship Formation Bomb Drop Competition Brief
0900 - 1800 FAST Training Sorties/Check rides (as needed)
0930 - 1800 ACM Flight training Sorties (as needed)
1030 - 1130 2-ship Formation Bomb Drop Competition
1200 - 1300 Lunch!
1230 - 1530 Flight Line seminars on Airframe, Engines, Props & Systems
(props and jets, exact schedule TBD)
1300 - 1400 4-ship Formation Challenge Brief
1430 - 1530 2nd Annual 4-ship Formation Challenge
1600 - 1630 Flying Skills Competition Brief
1630 - 1730 Allen Silver Parachute Seminar
1700 - 1800 Flying Skills Competition
1830 - 1900 Movement to the Banquet Hall
1900 - 2200 Awards Ceremony/Banquet/Raffle.
Keynote Speaker: Capt. Steve Ritchie (USAF-Ret.)
Presentation: Landing on an Aircraft Carrier
16 May: MASS FORMATION / FINEX
0800 - 0830 Breakfast
0830 - 0930 General Brief/Mass Formation Ground Training
1100 - 1200 All Airframe Formations Pass-in-review
1200 - 1500 Lunch!/Departure and clean - up.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
To register for the event, just go to www.allredstar.com and follow the
links. (The link to the pay page is temporarily broken, so once you've
registered, go to the link below to directly access the pay page)
To proceed directly to the pay page if you have already registered, go
to
www.allredstar.com/2004pay.asp
BY PRE-PAYING YOU ARE RECEIVING A 10% DISCOUNT!
Just 38 days to All Red Star 2004!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Event Director
All Red Star 2004
(949) 300-5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | All Red Star 2004 Itinerary and pricing |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Jay, since you spoke up, when is your NATIONAL CONVENTION held at your air
field for 125 aircraft, all meals included, and nights lodging on the field?
In California, $35 night in a hotel is CHEAP, even if you live elsewhere in
the USA this is cheap. Then food, beer, t-shirts, permits, Vietnam Fighter
ACES as guest speaker,,,,,,Maybe we can all stay at Jay's house..........that
will lower the costs.
They do not see the trees amongst the forest............ Hope to see all the
rational people at Redstar III. It will be the talk of 2004 as it always is.
Expensive donations from sponsors (Aircraft Spruce, Oregon Aero, ADC Oil
Filters, Shields Sun glasses, Cannon Aviation Insurance and Yak Driver, are
just some of the sponsors this year) and TV coverage at this year's event I
hear..........Hope to see you all there!!
********************************************************************
Mark Schrick
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Bills <jsbinbox@yahoo.com>
>Waaaaay too expensive!!!
Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net> wrote:-->
Gang,
I'm currently working on getting the itinerary page up on the web site.
Some have emailed and asked for a schedule, so here it is! The big
thing is for *new* FAST students the ground school is Wed. afternoon
(the 12th). Thanks!
(Registration information is below the schedule)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
12 May Wednedsay: RPA FAST GROUND SCHOOL & CLINIC
0700 - 1830 Arrivals/In-Processing/Fam rides/Staff Meetings
1500 - 1800 RPA FAST Groundschool
1800 - 1830 Tomorrow's Preview
1900 - XXX Catered Dinner On-site
13 May Thursday: ALL RED STAR FAST/UAR TRAINING
0700 - 1700 Arrivals/In-Processing
0730 - 0800 Breakfast
0800 - 0830 General Daily Brief & Stand Up
0900 - 1800 FAST Formation Flight Training
0900 - 0945 Unusual Attitude/OCF Presentation and Review
1000 - 1800 UAR/OCF Training Available
1200 - 1300 Lunch!
1300 - 1800 Flight Training continued
1900 - 2000 Catered Dinner
1930 - 2015 ACE/Airshow Flying Presentation by Eddie Andreini
2015 - 2030 Tomorrow's Preview
2030 - ???? Crud practice
14 May Friday: FAST/ADVANCED FLIGHT TRAINING
0700 - 1700 Arrivals/In-Processing
0730 - 0800 Breakfast
0800 - 0830 General Daily Brief & Stand Up
0900 - 1000 Intro to TACFORM Presentation (ACM Part 1)
1030 - 1230 TACFORM Flight Training (ACM Part 1)
1200 - 1000 Lunch!
1300 - 1430 Air Combat Simulation Presentation (ACM Part 2)
1500 - 1700 ACM Training (ACM Part 2) 1
1730 - 1830 Annual Accident Brief and Analysis Forum (Jet and Prop)
1845 - 1945 Tri-tip BBQ on flight line w/fly-overs
2015 - 2030 Tomorrow's Preview
2030 - 2230 3rd Annual Last Man Standing Crud Tournament and
__________Carrier Landing Competition
15 May Saturday: COMPETITIONS/ SEMINARS/ TRAINING
0700 - 1700 Arrivals/In-Processing
0700 - 0730 Breakfast
0730 - 0815 General Daily Brief & Stand Up
0830 - 0930 2-ship Formation Bomb Drop Competition Brief
0900 - 1800 FAST Training Sorties/Check rides (as needed)
0930 - 1800 ACM Flight training Sorties (as needed)
1030 - 1130 2-ship Formation Bomb Drop Competition
1200 - 1300 Lunch!
1230 - 1530 Flight Line seminars on Airframe, Engines, Props & Systems
(props and jets, exact schedule TBD)
1300 - 1400 4-ship Formation Challenge Brief
1430 - 1530 2nd Annual 4-ship Formation Challenge
1600 - 1630 Flying Skills Competition Brief
1630 - 1730 Allen Silver Parachute Seminar
1700 - 1800 Flying Skills Competition
1830 - 1900 Movement to the Banquet Hall
1900 - 2200 Awards Ceremony/Banquet/Raffle.
Keynote Speaker: Capt. Steve Ritchie (USAF-Ret.)
Presentation: Landing on an Aircraft Carrier
16 May: MASS FORMATION / FINEX
0800 - 0830 Breakfast
0830 - 0930 General Brief/Mass Formation Ground Training
1100 - 1200 All Airframe Formations Pass-in-review
1200 - 1500 Lunch!/Departure and clean - up.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
To register for the event, just go to www.allredstar.com and follow the
links. (The link to the pay page is temporarily broken, so once you've
registered, go to the link below to directly access the pay page)
To proceed directly to the pay page if you have already registered, go
to
www.allredstar.com/2004pay.asp
BY PRE-PAYING YOU ARE RECEIVING A 10% DISCOUNT!
Just 38 days to All Red Star 2004!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Event Director
All Red Star 2004
(949) 300-5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: All Red Star 2004 Itinerary and pricing |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Cory Emberson" <bootless@earthlink.net>
Mark, I wish I could go to All Red Star this year. I looked at the itinerary
and the fees for the various events, and for what you get - that is
downright reasonable!
I put together an annual fly-in weekend in Santa Maria (coming up 4/30-5/2),
and know how much work it is - and that's only 2.5 days. What Barry puts
together is an incredible effort, and with the flying element... There are
countless hours of work to be done in coordinating a smooth-running event,
which generally dips below minimum wage once you add it all up. :-)
I hope you guys have a great time! Way to go, Barry!
best, Cory
www.smxgig.org
> Jay, since you spoke up, when is your NATIONAL CONVENTION held at your air
> field for 125 aircraft, all meals included, and nights lodging on the
field?
>
> In California, $35 night in a hotel is CHEAP, even if you live elsewhere
in
> the USA this is cheap. Then food, beer, t-shirts, permits, Vietnam Fighter
> ACES as guest speaker,,,,,,Maybe we can all stay at Jay's
house..........that
> will lower the costs.
>
> They do not see the trees amongst the forest............
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| Subject: | All Red Star 2004 Itinerary |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Jay,
Do you mean that the event cost is way too expensive for what you get or it
is simply too expensive for you.
If you really mean that its too much for what you get than - hmmm... I
don't really know what to say - a reality check may be in order. I would
respectfully suggest for you to try to put down on a piece of paper what, in
your estimation the cost for each of the event's element Barry listed (there
are so many more not listed) would be in your 'neck of the woods' - I trust
it would be substantially higher - let alone putting in many 26 hours days
to ensure it all runs as it should. You would know what I am talking about
if you have ever organized a small local event at your airport...
Now, if the cost is simply to high for you to afford - I tip my hat to you
with understanding. There are many of us who had to cut back recently
(myself included).
Having said all that - I only wish I could be a part of Red Star 2004!!
Looks like I am going to miss another great event.
Mark is right, you know... this is going to be the talk of the rest of the
year.
Sam Sax
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jay Bills
Subject: Re: Yak-List: All Red Star 2004 Itinerary
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Waaaaay too expensive!!!
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What is the price ?? the web page would not open for me to see??
Tom Elliott
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