---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/08/04: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Will the REAL "Lucky bastard" please stand up (cpayne@joimail.com) 2. 04:37 AM - FLYING STUFF YOU MAY NEVER KNOW ABOUT....... (Frank Haertlein) 3. 04:43 AM - Re: Will the REAL "Lucky bastard" please stand up (Daniel Fortin) 4. 05:27 AM - Re: Re: WB mag. (A. Dennis Savarese) 5. 06:24 AM - Re: WB mag. (DaBear) 6. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Re: WB mag. (D Zeman) 7. 08:38 AM - Castle Air Museum Meet (Doug Sapp) 8. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: WB mag. (A. Dennis Savarese) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:50 AM PST US From: "cpayne@joimail.com" Subject: Yak-List: Will the REAL "Lucky bastard" please stand up --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" So who is the REAL "Lucky bastard" ? Lucky Bastard #1: Flys corporate jets for a living and someone else's toys, including a beautiful CJ-6. Doesn't even need his own airplane. Gets to test fly a Hunter Jet. Downside, lives up North where Summer is measured in days. Lucky Bastard #2: Flys someone else's B-24 Liberator and B-17 Fortress for all expenses paid. Owns his own beautiful CJ-6. Lives off the fat of UAL's better days on an airpark down South where Summer never ends. ??? Maybe BOTH are Lucky Bastards? As well as anyone else who gets to fly, let alone to one of our events in a Warbird? Craig "Lucky Bastard #3" Payne ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:04 AM PST US From: "Frank Haertlein" Subject: Yak-List: FLYING STUFF YOU MAY NEVER KNOW ABOUT....... --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" FLYING STUFF YOU MAY NEVER KNOW ABOUT....... Though I Fly Through the Valley of Death ... I Shall Fear No Evil ... For I am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing. (sign over the entrance to the SR-71 operating location Kadena, Japan). You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3. (Paul F. Crickmore-test pilot) From an old carrier sailor - Blue water Navy truism; There are more planes in the ocean than submarines in the sky. If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a helicopter -- and therefore, unsafe. Navy carrier pilots to Air Force pilots: Flaring is like squatting to pee. When one engine fails on a twin-engine airplane you always have enough power left to get you to the scene of the crash. Without ammunition, the USAF would be just another expensive flying club. What is the similarity between air traffic controllers and pilots? If a pilot screws up, the pilot dies; If ATC screws up, the pilot dies. Never trade luck for skill. The three most common expressions (or famous last words) in aviation are: "Why is it doing that?", "Where are we?" and "Oh S#!+!" Weather forecasts are horoscopes with numbers. Progress in airline flying; now a flight attendant can get a pilot pregnant. Airspeed, altitude, and brains. Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight. A smooth landing is mostly luck; two in a row is all luck; three in a row is prevarication. I remember when sex was safe and flying was dangerous. Mankind has a perfect record in aviation; we never left one up there! Flashlights are tubular metal containers kept in a flight bag for the purpose of storing dead batteries. Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything About it. When a flight is proceeding incredibly well, something was forgotten. Just remember, if you crash because of weather, your funeral will be held on a sunny day. Advice given to RAF pilots during WWII. When a prang (crash) seems inevitable, endeavor to strike the softest, cheapest object in the vicinity as slowly and gently as possible. The Piper Cub is the safest airplane in the world; it can just barely kill you. (Attributed to Max Stanley, Northrop test pilot) A pilot who doesn't have any fear probably isn't flying his plane to its maximum. (Jon McBride, astronaut) If you're faced with a forced landing, fly the thing as far into the crash as possible. (Bob Hoover - renowned aerobatic and test pilot) If an airplane is still in one piece, don't cheat on it; ride the bastard down. (Ernest K. Gann, author & aviator) Never fly in the same cockpit with someone braver than you. There is no reason to fly through a thunderstorm in peacetime. (Sign over squadron ops desk at Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ, 1970). The three best things in life are a good landing, a good orgasm, and, a good bowel movement. The night carrier landing is one of the few opportunities in life where you get to experience all three at the same time. (Author unknown, but someone who's been there) "Now I know what a dog feels like watching TV." (A DC-9 captain trainee attempting to check out on the 'glass cockpit' of an A-320). If something hasn't broken on your helicopter, it's about to. Basic Flying Rules: Try to stay in the middle of the air. Do not go near the edges of it. The edges of the air can be recognized by the appearance of ground, buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space. It is much more difficult to fly there. You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power to taxi to the terminal. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:54 AM PST US From: "Daniel Fortin" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Will the REAL "Lucky bastard" please stand up --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" LOL I love this list. Dan "#1" Fortin >From: "cpayne@joimail.com" >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com >To: yak-list@matronics.com >Subject: Yak-List: Will the REAL "Lucky bastard" please stand up >Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 08:05:12 -0400 > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" > >So who is the REAL "Lucky bastard" ? > >Lucky Bastard #1: Flys corporate jets for a living and >someone else's toys, including a beautiful CJ-6. Doesn't >even need his own airplane. Gets to test fly a Hunter Jet. >Downside, lives up North where Summer is measured in days. > >Lucky Bastard #2: Flys someone else's B-24 Liberator and >B-17 Fortress for all expenses paid. Owns his own beautiful >CJ-6. Lives off the fat of UAL's better days on an airpark >down South where Summer never ends. > > >??? Maybe BOTH are Lucky Bastards? As well as anyone else >who gets to fly, let alone to one of our events in a >Warbird? > >Craig "Lucky Bastard #3" Payne > > Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:34 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: WB mag. --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" Personally, I would not agree either with either/or method of FOD prevention. ie: Russian versus a FOD cover. But I would certainly agree that both should be used. Not either/or. Would you agree with both methods; Russian AND a FOD cover? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Zeman" Subject: Yak-List: Re: WB mag. > --> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman > > The most important part of the recent WB mag > pertaining to this list, YPA/RPA and Yak flyers, is > not the article about the CJ/Hunter pilot, it is in > the editorial section. Kudos to Tom and Dennis (and > the un-named others) that chimed in and got the > attention of the WB association and their weak > approach to the 52/FOD report. Although I may not > agree totally with the idea of a FOD cover versus the > "Russian" approach, it is a good idea to consider if > you have passengers, mechanics, unknown hangar > visitors, etc may introduce FOD and/or the PIC or your > partner is not vigilant about passenger induced FOD. > Just a simple hangar neighbor that you or your hangar > mate allows to look/sit in the plane can kill if you > are not careful. > D. Zeman > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:22 AM PST US From: "DaBear" Subject: Re: Yak-List: WB mag. --> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" Jim, You get to fly B-XX all over the countryside and you want to whine about someone else having a little fun. Well there are those of us you don't get to fly the big bombers like you who aren't whine on the yak list.... opps... I guess I just did.... um... nevermind. Al > >--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com > > > >Troops, > >Check out the latest WB Magazine. Hairless, "CJ pilot extraordinir" Dan > >Fortin writes about the Hunter he got to solo. Why can't I have fun like > >that? > > > >Jim Goolsby > > > >"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, > >deserve neither liberty nor safety" > > Benjamin Franklin 1759 > >"With my shield, or on it" > > Trojan Warriors BC > >"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes > >until some woman stomps all over them." ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:22 AM PST US From: D Zeman Subject: Yak-List: Re: Re: Re: WB mag. --> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman Personally I speculate Mr. Fortin is both good and lucky :-) Looks like great fun! FOD: Dennis, I agree neither way is 100% and a combo approach may increase the FOD prevention percentage. What I meant about the Russian approach is already a combination of loose article prevention (by not allowing it into the craft initially), toolkits checked for inventory after usage, slapping the fuselage, etc. The only 100% way of preventing FOD is to not allow it (nor the opportunity) in your plane; easily stated, can be difficult in practice. I just don't want to see FOD covers becoming a catalyst for reduced vigilance. Zeman ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:43 AM PST US From: "Doug Sapp" Subject: Yak-List: Castle Air Museum Meet --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" To all you California listers and lurkers: Castle Airport Museum's get together on April 25th. WINGS OF HISTORY: Also of interest, the following weekend, -- The Wings of History -- are having a big two day event. 'Wings n' Things' will be May 1st and 2nd, with old aircraft starting to arrive at the Museum (South County Airport) in San Martin on Friday, the 30th. There will be lots of food and other displays featured. I will not be there as I am still burning the midnight oil in an attempt to have the miniyak at ARS. Best to all, Doug Sapp ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:14 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Re: Re: WB mag. --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" Agreed. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Zeman" Subject: Yak-List: Re: Re: Re: WB mag. > --> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman > > Personally I speculate Mr. Fortin is both good and > lucky :-) Looks like great fun! > > FOD: Dennis, I agree neither way is 100% and a combo > approach may increase the FOD prevention percentage. > What I meant about the Russian approach is already a > combination of loose article prevention (by not > allowing it into the craft initially), toolkits > checked for inventory after usage, slapping the > fuselage, etc. The only 100% way of preventing FOD is > to not allow it (nor the opportunity) in your plane; > easily stated, can be difficult in practice. I just > don't want to see FOD covers becoming a catalyst for > reduced vigilance. > > Zeman > >