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1. 12:56 AM - Re: American Voltage Regulator (Brian Lloyd)
2. 05:15 AM - Yak Groupies (Janet Davidson)
3. 06:40 AM - Dallas Advanced YAk Instruction (Aubrey Price)
4. 07:07 AM - Re: Type Certification (Ron Davis)
5. 07:10 AM - Re: Type Certification (Ron Davis)
6. 07:20 AM - Helpful information/shameless commercial message (Ron Davis)
7. 07:32 AM - Re: Type Certification (Ernie)
8. 10:01 AM - Re: Type Certification (Ron Davis)
9. 10:27 AM - Re: Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
10. 11:10 AM - Re: Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting (Doug Sapp)
11. 11:17 AM - Re: Did anyone see the YAK GIRLS at Sun-n-FUN???? (Jim Ivey)
12. 03:34 PM - Re: Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting (Gus Fraser)
13. 05:35 PM - Yak-52 Magneto problem (Andrei Litouev)
14. 06:25 PM - Re: Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 07:20 PM - Survey on what you like to do with your bird (Gus Fraser)
16. 09:47 PM - Re: Type Certification (Jon Boede)
17. 10:02 PM - YAK Conversions (Frank Haertlein)
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| Subject: | Re: American Voltage Regulator |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Doug Sapp wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> My man, if you find one share the info, I have spent over (is my wife
> listening?) well a lot trying to solve that question. I gave up and bought
> a B&C.
Not many people are building generator controllers these days. Where you need
to look is over in jet-land. Many turbine engines use DC generators because they
can be used as starting motors when run in reverse. They also are for 28V
electrical systems. That is where I would look. OTOH you may find that they
are prohibitively expensive.
An alternator is lighter, simpler, more reliable, and has more output. It might
be time Steve.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet Davidson" <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
"models were wearing half shirts" - saw plenty of those at SNF, but judging
by what I saw hanging out below the (very stretched) t-shirt, I doubt I'd
call them models..... ;) There are times when I wished I'd had a camera
handy!
"YAK GROUPIES!!!!" - don't know about the female version, but the male
version has been around for years I'm happy to say ... ;)
Janet
Ph: 920 232 9238
email: gbvfx@hotmail.com
Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today!
http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband
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| Subject: | Dallas Advanced YAk Instruction |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
My partner ( Jim Bowerman ) is trying to get a group together in the Dallas
area. He is working with a Russian Instructor that would come to the area
and give advanced instruction in the YAK 52. If anyone is interested, we
would like to start putting together a list of interested parties. If you
are interested, there is a link at the top of this page
http://www.tammyprice.com/yak/ that says" Click Here if you are interested
in YAK Flight Instruction" . Complete the form and we will keep you informed
of the progress. Thanks
Aubrey Price
N288Y
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| Subject: | Re: Type Certification |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Piper and Cessna do it fairly often, and lots of others companies start the
process, but don't finish it. You can't do one plane, you have to do the
model, and you need to be the manufacturer.
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| Subject: | Re: Type Certification |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
That is possible, EAA can help or FSDO can (but probably won't) issue you an
exemption. You still can't carry passengers or cargo for hire though, and
that's what he asked.
There is a very thin line between carying passengers for hire and giving
flight instruction (in a supersonic, Eastern block aircraft) to a primary
student, who perhaps hasn't gotten his student pilot license yet)
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| Subject: | Helpful information/shameless commercial message |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
I have new Russian air filler fittings for sale that can easily adapted to
any US type fitting
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| Subject: | Re: Type Certification |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Ask this guy how he gets away with it.
http://www.jetwarbird.com
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Type Certification
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> That is possible, EAA can help or FSDO can (but probably won't) issue you
an
> exemption. You still can't carry passengers or cargo for hire though, and
> that's what he asked.
>
> There is a very thin line between carying passengers for hire and giving
> flight instruction (in a supersonic, Eastern block aircraft) to a primary
> student, who perhaps hasn't gotten his student pilot license yet)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Type Certification |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
I already know. He has a very good working relationship with his FSDO.
FSDO can do a lot for you if they like you, and make life really miserable
if they don't.
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| Subject: | Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Hi Dennis.
I do not want to appear contrary, but while I understand your viewpoint,
it can easily be extended to illogical ends. Many hydraulic systems in
todays jet aircraft have systems where at the flick of a switch, they are
either "combined" or "isolated" to achieve the exact goals you mention.
The same is done in the YAK-50, merely with the addition of a one way
check valve. What if that check valve itself should fail? Well then it
would no longer be "isolated", which in itself is not the end of the world.
Only if the check valve AND a main air system leak happened at the same
time would it cause major heart ache.
The fact is, things do fail. Lines, tanks, fittings, you name it. Most
systems also leak, albeit sometimes very slowly.
Playing the "what if" game.... What if the emergency bottle in my 50 did
not get the gear ALL the way down. Why.... In some situations, I could
merely fly around, let it pump back up again, and reapply it. Not so with
a totally isolated system.
Regardless, I respect your personal preference, and agree you have a solid
point from one side of the coin. From the other, I am the kind of person
who likes choices, and I like to be able to make them from within the
cockpit. That said, I want my emergency air bottle to be full at the
beginning of every flight. And if it is a little low, I see no reason
why the air-compressor can't fill it. I'll take the risk that the one
addidional check valve that allows that capability may someday fail.
R/S,
Mark Bitterlich
p.s. I know I asked for it... thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
The answer is quite logical. Isolating the emergency system from the main
prevents potential loss of both air systems should a leak occur. Yes, it
could be plumbed, but why? If the emergency system is secure, it should not
leak down regardless of what the main system does. That does not apply to
the 50. There really is only 3 items that can leak in the emergency system,
assuming the valves are closed. 1- The B nut on the tank or the tank itself
of course; 2-The check valve that connects to the external air fill port; 3-
Either one of the valves or B nuts coming to the valves from the emergency
air tank,in the cockpits.
Personally, I think the 52's system is more secure and provides effective
redundancy versus the 50's system for the reason mentioned above.
Dennis
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| Subject: | Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Dennis and Mark,
I have been watching this from a distance and would offer up my "10 cents
worth" for your consideration. After 200 hours of flying the Yak 18 / CJ5
which is I believe is plumbed like the 50 I would have to agree with Mark
that it is most convenient and (IMHO) may be the best way to go. Notice I
say "maybe"-- I am waiting for someone to offer up a good reason why it is
not a good idea to have both systems automatically "topped off" and full
shortly after each takeoff. Loss of air pressure from the main tank has no
effect on the emergency air tank pressure in the 18 / CJ5.
On the other hand this was the norm in the 50's when my Yak was being built
in Russia and for some reason they (the Russians) saw fit to change the
system in later years. We need to discover why they thought it was
necessary, heck, maybe there is something else in the 52 that makes it
so...Not being a Yak 52 guy (or a mind reader) I really have no idea. I do
know that the Yak 18 system is a marvel of simplicity, and it does
everything the current systems do.
For those who I foolishly told that the Mini Yak would be at Red Star, I
have to admit that unfortunately it was not meant to be. Problems with
fabric work, and final assembly have prevented this from happening.
Hopefully we will have it at the Nebraska gathering in June if all goes well
and the fabric gods smiles on us.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bitterlich GS11
Mark G
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
<BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Hi Dennis.
I do not want to appear contrary, but while I understand your viewpoint,
it can easily be extended to illogical ends. Many hydraulic systems in
todays jet aircraft have systems where at the flick of a switch, they are
either "combined" or "isolated" to achieve the exact goals you mention.
The same is done in the YAK-50, merely with the addition of a one way
check valve. What if that check valve itself should fail? Well then it
would no longer be "isolated", which in itself is not the end of the world.
Only if the check valve AND a main air system leak happened at the same
time would it cause major heart ache.
The fact is, things do fail. Lines, tanks, fittings, you name it. Most
systems also leak, albeit sometimes very slowly.
Playing the "what if" game.... What if the emergency bottle in my 50 did
not get the gear ALL the way down. Why.... In some situations, I could
merely fly around, let it pump back up again, and reapply it. Not so with
a totally isolated system.
Regardless, I respect your personal preference, and agree you have a solid
point from one side of the coin. From the other, I am the kind of person
who likes choices, and I like to be able to make them from within the
cockpit. That said, I want my emergency air bottle to be full at the
beginning of every flight. And if it is a little low, I see no reason
why the air-compressor can't fill it. I'll take the risk that the one
addidional check valve that allows that capability may someday fail.
R/S,
Mark Bitterlich
p.s. I know I asked for it... thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
The answer is quite logical. Isolating the emergency system from the main
prevents potential loss of both air systems should a leak occur. Yes, it
could be plumbed, but why? If the emergency system is secure, it should not
leak down regardless of what the main system does. That does not apply to
the 50. There really is only 3 items that can leak in the emergency system,
assuming the valves are closed. 1- The B nut on the tank or the tank itself
of course; 2-The check valve that connects to the external air fill port; 3-
Either one of the valves or B nuts coming to the valves from the emergency
air tank,in the cockpits.
Personally, I think the 52's system is more secure and provides effective
redundancy versus the 50's system for the reason mentioned above.
Dennis
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| Subject: | Did anyone see the YAK GIRLS at Sun-n-FUN???? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
Getting' old is heck, ain't it Pappy?
Jim Ivey
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pappy
> I tried to catch up with them but was side tracked by a
> scaled down (80%) all
> metal Spitfire. After all one must have priorities.
> Jim Goolsby
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| Subject: | Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Imagine the following. You take off and your main gear seals burst and all
your air leaves the aircraft. If there is an open connection between the
main and emergency system then guess what, you just lost your emergency air
as well. Obviously you can and will do what you like but personally I
understand that emergency means just that. I carry an adapter in my aircraft
that has two connectors on the non plane end. One is for a scuba bottle and
the other is for a standard air tank. I have never been in a situation where
I could not get air with this set up. Both times I have had to use it the
scuba guy came out and was happy with a ride around the circuit as payment
for his services.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bitterlich GS11
Mark G
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
<BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Hi Dennis.
I do not want to appear contrary, but while I understand your viewpoint,
it can easily be extended to illogical ends. Many hydraulic systems in
todays jet aircraft have systems where at the flick of a switch, they are
either "combined" or "isolated" to achieve the exact goals you mention.
The same is done in the YAK-50, merely with the addition of a one way
check valve. What if that check valve itself should fail? Well then it
would no longer be "isolated", which in itself is not the end of the world.
Only if the check valve AND a main air system leak happened at the same
time would it cause major heart ache.
The fact is, things do fail. Lines, tanks, fittings, you name it. Most
systems also leak, albeit sometimes very slowly.
Playing the "what if" game.... What if the emergency bottle in my 50 did
not get the gear ALL the way down. Why.... In some situations, I could
merely fly around, let it pump back up again, and reapply it. Not so with
a totally isolated system.
Regardless, I respect your personal preference, and agree you have a solid
point from one side of the coin. From the other, I am the kind of person
who likes choices, and I like to be able to make them from within the
cockpit. That said, I want my emergency air bottle to be full at the
beginning of every flight. And if it is a little low, I see no reason
why the air-compressor can't fill it. I'll take the risk that the one
addidional check valve that allows that capability may someday fail.
R/S,
Mark Bitterlich
p.s. I know I asked for it... thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
The answer is quite logical. Isolating the emergency system from the main
prevents potential loss of both air systems should a leak occur. Yes, it
could be plumbed, but why? If the emergency system is secure, it should not
leak down regardless of what the main system does. That does not apply to
the 50. There really is only 3 items that can leak in the emergency system,
assuming the valves are closed. 1- The B nut on the tank or the tank itself
of course; 2-The check valve that connects to the external air fill port; 3-
Either one of the valves or B nuts coming to the valves from the emergency
air tank,in the cockpits.
Personally, I think the 52's system is more secure and provides effective
redundancy versus the 50's system for the reason mentioned above.
Dennis
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| Subject: | Yak-52 Magneto problem |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Andrei Litouev" <alitouev@nyc.rr.com>
Last Saturday, I tried to start my 52.
Run out of air.
I unscrew front sparkplug from 5th cylinder, shutoff air valve, bleed the air
from system ( press the brake several times).
Friend of mine hold the sparkplug cable, I press start push button - no sparks.
I opened left magneto cower and found hi voltage wire shorted to the ground.
20 minutes to fix the problem, close everything, another 20 minutes recharge my
scuba tank (5 minutes drive from airport to scuba shop), and with last minutes
of day light start the engine, taxi and park. Safety weir and anther staff
Sunday evening after skydiving ( hobby of mine).
Blue skies,
Andrei
AL822
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| Subject: | Re: Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Mark,
You are certainly entitled to your opinion and you make some good points.
There are those that prefer to leave the system alone and those that prefer
to "make it better". I personally prefer to leave it alone and have never
had a problem with the current system's functionality. The only problem I
have ever had was getting a case of the "dumb-ass" in which I would leave
the main air valve on and the main air system would leak down over several
days.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich GS11 Mark G" <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
<BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
>
> Hi Dennis.
>
> I do not want to appear contrary, but while I understand your viewpoint,
> it can easily be extended to illogical ends. Many hydraulic systems in
> todays jet aircraft have systems where at the flick of a switch, they are
> either "combined" or "isolated" to achieve the exact goals you mention.
> The same is done in the YAK-50, merely with the addition of a one way
> check valve. What if that check valve itself should fail? Well then it
> would no longer be "isolated", which in itself is not the end of the
world.
> Only if the check valve AND a main air system leak happened at the same
> time would it cause major heart ache.
>
> The fact is, things do fail. Lines, tanks, fittings, you name it. Most
> systems also leak, albeit sometimes very slowly.
>
> Playing the "what if" game.... What if the emergency bottle in my 50 did
> not get the gear ALL the way down. Why.... In some situations, I could
> merely fly around, let it pump back up again, and reapply it. Not so with
> a totally isolated system.
>
> Regardless, I respect your personal preference, and agree you have a solid
> point from one side of the coin. From the other, I am the kind of person
> who likes choices, and I like to be able to make them from within the
> cockpit. That said, I want my emergency air bottle to be full at the
> beginning of every flight. And if it is a little low, I see no reason
> why the air-compressor can't fill it. I'll take the risk that the one
> addidional check valve that allows that capability may someday fail.
>
> R/S,
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
> p.s. I know I asked for it... thanks.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Emergency tank YAK 52 and aux air fitting
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> The answer is quite logical. Isolating the emergency system from the main
> prevents potential loss of both air systems should a leak occur. Yes, it
> could be plumbed, but why? If the emergency system is secure, it should
not
> leak down regardless of what the main system does. That does not apply to
> the 50. There really is only 3 items that can leak in the emergency
system,
> assuming the valves are closed. 1- The B nut on the tank or the tank
itself
> of course; 2-The check valve that connects to the external air fill port;
3-
> Either one of the valves or B nuts coming to the valves from the emergency
> air tank,in the cockpits.
>
> Personally, I think the 52's system is more secure and provides effective
> redundancy versus the 50's system for the reason mentioned above.
> Dennis
>
>
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| Subject: | Survey on what you like to do with your bird |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
http://gusfraser.com/surveysays/activity.cgi
I will run this for a few days and then publish the results.
Also any other interesting questions for future surveys whould be of
interest.
Gus
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| Subject: | Re: Type Certification |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
His FSDO knows him, likes him, and works with him on the instruction.
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Ask this guy how he gets away with it.
>
> http://www.jetwarbird.com
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Type Certification
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>>
>> That is possible, EAA can help or FSDO can (but probably won't) issue
>> you
> an
>> exemption. You still can't carry passengers or cargo for hire though,
>> and that's what he asked.
>>
>> There is a very thin line between carying passengers for hire and
>> giving flight instruction (in a supersonic, Eastern block aircraft) to
>> a primary student, who perhaps hasn't gotten his student pilot license
>> yet)
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yaksters;
If you want to convert........
Hogsheads to Gallons
Atmospheres to PSI
Noggins to Pints
Nickers to Pounds
Grams to Ounces
Horsepower to Kilowatts
Inches to Millibars
Knots to MPH
Or whatever to whatever..............
Then check out and download this MS_Exel file. I've had it for years and
finally decided to put it into a usable format for the use of my fellow
Yaksters.
http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/Conversions.xls
Over the years it's helped me keep track of many different quantities.
Hope it helps!
Frank
YAK-52
PS; Most everything is set up to work correctly but a few quantities
need their formula corrected. You can recognize them by the #VALUE in
the answer column. Anyone want to provide the corrections?
N9110M
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