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1. 05:34 AM - Baaaad Boy! (Frank Haertlein)
2. 06:06 AM - Yak 55 in Formation ()
3. 06:39 AM - Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in (Shane Golden)
4. 07:05 AM - Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic (Terry Calloway)
5. 07:32 AM - Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic inCalifornia (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 09:27 AM - Re: Yak-52 Speed Improvements? (Ron Davis)
7. 10:01 AM - Musings (Barry Hancock)
8. 10:13 AM - LAST DAY FOR DISCOUNT! (Barry Hancock)
9. 10:57 AM - Re: Musings (DaBear)
10. 11:39 AM - Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM (Scott Patterson)
11. 12:00 PM - Re: Musings (Ernie)
12. 12:02 PM - Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM ClinicinCalifornia (Ernie)
13. 01:12 PM - Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) (Terry Calloway)
14. 01:21 PM - Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM (Scott Patterson)
15. 06:17 PM - Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM ClinicSE (Jay Land)
16. 06:45 PM - Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in California (RO)
17. 07:10 PM - Re: Yak 55 in Formation (RO)
18. 07:43 PM - Chinese fire drill (Barry Hancock)
19. 07:46 PM - Re: Baaaaad Boy! (Barry Hancock)
20. 08:04 PM - Ian Groom died. (Gus Fraser)
21. 09:10 PM - http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Barry
You've been a very naughty boy! I have it on good authority that those
weren't round head rivets you were spittin' out during that Air Combat
Maneuver you did against the 52. I heard it was bits of teeth from
gritting too hard trying to loose the one on your tail :)
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
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| Subject: | Yak 55 in Formation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <aapilot@adelphia.net>
On the question of single seaters in FAST Formation:
Yes you can train and gain your FAST qual in a single seater, although this subject
is addressed in the FAST FF&P/PTS, we have enhanced the policy and provided
it for download/viewing on the RPA website:
Select 'Operations' - then select 'Formation', you will see a list of documents
for download or online viewing.
This subject is addresed in the RPA FAST Wing/Lead Training and Policy Letters
posted for download here.
The short answer is of course yes you can participate with your Yak 55 with like
performing aircraft. You must show basic proficiency / safe solo formation
skills in a two seat aircraft prior to participation with your single seater in
training. The checkride can be completed in a single seater as long as you
can provide evidence of having met this standard and are recommended for the evaluation.
Again, there is a lot of excellent information in this and other subjects, from
why we require parachutes to what you need, and do not need, to gain your wingmans
patch; all in the Wing/Lead Training Documents on the RPA site.
Hope this helps!
Drew
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> From: Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Date: 2004/04/30 Fri AM 02:58:44 EDT
> To: Yak-List Digest List <yak-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 04/29/04
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| Subject: | CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in |
California
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
I hear ya. Let me talk to Drew and Pappy and see what it will take to
set one up. I know most of the NE fellas at SnF had already done this.
Shane
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
California
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
Shane
We gotta do this in the SE. Soon.
Jay
> From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:12:23 -0700
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
California
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Fellow Yakers and ACM'ers,
>
> ACM Round TWO will be in California (Airport to be determined, could
be Q99
> South County Airport near San Jose, Ca) the first weekend of October.
> (October 1,2,3 2004)
>
> Should have a really good turn out for this one. The last one was
great held
> at Q99 South County with a new facility for class room study and great
> dinners at Keith Frost's house each night (Steak and wine)and built in
> Yak/CJ maintience facility on site to keep everyone air born during
the
> joist fest.
>
> Hope to see more CJ6's and Yak's from Arizona and Nevada. Good time
for all.
>
> Mark Schrick
> Northern-SW Coordinator REDSTAR Pilot Assoc.
> Yak 52 owner
> San Jose, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - Email found in
subject
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
>
> When/where is the ACM round 2?
>
> Thanks, Jay
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic |
inCalifornia
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
Locate it in Selma, AL to make it accessable from the mid-west too.
Scotty Patterson is based there and it is a great facility.
tc
>>> scgsmg@direcway.com 4/30/2004 8:38:44 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden < scgsmg@direcway.com >
I hear ya. Let me talk to Drew and Pappy and see what it will take to
set one up. I know most of the NE fellas at SnF had already done this.
Shane
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
California
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
Shane
We gotta do this in the SE. Soon.
Jay
> From: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net >
> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:12:23 -0700
> To: < yak-list@matronics.com >
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
California
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net
>
>
> Fellow Yakers and ACM'ers,
>
> ACM Round TWO will be in California (Airport to be determined, could
be Q99
> South County Airport near San Jose, Ca) the first weekend of
October.
> (October 1,2,3 2004)
>
> Should have a really good turn out for this one. The last one was
great held
> at Q99 South County with a new facility for class room study and
great
> dinners at Keith Frost's house each night (Steak and wine)and built
in
> Yak/CJ maintience facility on site to keep everyone air born during
the
> joist fest.
>
> Hope to see more CJ6's and Yak's from Arizona and Nevada. Good time
for all.
>
> Mark Schrick
> Northern-SW Coordinator REDSTAR Pilot Assoc.
> Yak 52 owner
> San Jose, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - Email found in
subject
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
>
> When/where is the ACM round 2?
>
> Thanks, Jay
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic inCalifornia |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Good idea Terry. Selma has an 8000' x 200' runway and a tarmac as big as
the state of Rhode Island for parking airplanes.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic
inCalifornia
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
<TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> Locate it in Selma, AL to make it accessable from the mid-west too.
> Scotty Patterson is based there and it is a great facility.
> tc
>
> >>> scgsmg@direcway.com 4/30/2004 8:38:44 AM >>>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden < scgsmg@direcway.com >
>
> I hear ya. Let me talk to Drew and Pappy and see what it will take to
> set one up. I know most of the NE fellas at SnF had already done this.
> Shane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
> California
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
>
> Shane
>
> We gotta do this in the SE. Soon.
>
> Jay
>
> > From: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net >
> > Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:12:23 -0700
> > To: < yak-list@matronics.com >
> > Subject: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
> California
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net
> >
> >
> > Fellow Yakers and ACM'ers,
> >
> > ACM Round TWO will be in California (Airport to be determined, could
> be Q99
> > South County Airport near San Jose, Ca) the first weekend of
> October.
> > (October 1,2,3 2004)
> >
> > Should have a really good turn out for this one. The last one was
> great held
> > at Q99 South County with a new facility for class room study and
> great
> > dinners at Keith Frost's house each night (Steak and wine)and built
> in
> > Yak/CJ maintience facility on site to keep everyone air born during
> the
> > joist fest.
> >
> > Hope to see more CJ6's and Yak's from Arizona and Nevada. Good time
> for all.
> >
> > Mark Schrick
> > Northern-SW Coordinator REDSTAR Pilot Assoc.
> > Yak 52 owner
> > San Jose, CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - Email found in
> subject
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
> >
> > When/where is the ACM round 2?
> >
> > Thanks, Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 Speed Improvements? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Ernie,
You're messing up the system with these requests. The way it is supposed to
work is the designer/salesman CREATES hysteria and thus the need for his
newest product.
By an amazing coincidence I am in the final stages of development on a
pneumatic foot massager to solve the extremely serious problem of CJ crashes
due to numb feet that has taken on plague-like proportions in South
South-Eastern Australia. Measurments by the South South-Eastern Aussie
Aviation Pedologists Association (SSEAAPA) have established the deleterious
effects of radial engines on foot health. The SSEAAPA highly recommends
each CJ pilot have a certified pedoseismologist measure the foot vibrations
on his plane and then buy my massage system.
More details later.
Ron
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Gang,
First on All Red Star and the link on the RPA site. We're getting that
taken care of. In the mean time, just go to www.allredstar.com
directly.
A bunch of "candy" on the list digest this morning. I have thoughts on
several (here's your chance to hit the 'delete' key!).
1) yak-list v. RPA online forums. The both serve there purpose. The
forums are nice in that they keep the discussion threads clear/coherent
for long periods of time, and it's easy to pick out topics. They are
additionally useful to quickly locate posted information that is more
than a few days old. Yeah, sure, you can argue that the same thing can
be done on matrionics.com, but look at the CJAA BB. I find that very
useful to chase down different topics. Yak-list is great, but there
are members of the association that don't do the yak-list and vice
versa. I don't think it is "fragmenting" the group, just providing an
additional useful service. If you don't like it, that's fine, don't
use it. But please quit with all the detractions of the RPA
forums....people have put a ton of work and time into providing what is
the best association website around.
2) Ernie, you want a cuppacino maker? I believe they are standard
equipment on G-V's.
3) Vertical penetration. Hmm...tempting, but I'll stay on track here.
That would be an interesting comparison. -52 has higher Vne but also
much higher drag. I'm betting that the CJ, especially with big motor
and many blades prop would make it interesting. That would be a fun
comparison test...maybe we'll try to fit a side-by-side-by-side-by-side
comparison run at ARS...
4) Yak-55's in formation. The dream of the organizers at ARS is to
have EVERY prop airframe type in a single formation. Let's see, that's
one each of Yak-3/9,11,18,50,52,54,55, CJ-5, CJ-6,IAR 823, Sukhoi, I-3.
Last year we could have pulled off 10 of the 12 airplanes. I think
we'll get Eric Beard to come to our event next year, which takes care
of the -54. And Eddie Andreini will be there with his Yak-9's. That
will be a goal for next year's event...
5) Quantifying the performance increase of the MT on Panda-monium,
sure. Bitchin' dude! :)
It's really hard to say at this point, other than it has way more
static thrust than the 2-blade, is smoother in cruise, and seems to net
higher speeds. There is no way for *me* to truly evaluate it though as
I'm flying the different setup on different airplanes. Panda is very
light, and is rigged better. The real benefit of the 3-blade though,
is low end thrust, that's why I bought it. Whirlwind v. MT. Hal
Morely can comment on that....
6) ACM on the East Coast. My tongue-in-cheek comment about -52's v.
CJ's aside yesterday, a standardized ACM format is under development
for the whole association. This is of utmost importance.
Guys, ACM is dangerous. Over the past couple of years we have
assembled what is most certainly the world's best core of ACM
instructors and consultants in the civilian world. To do this right in
our airplanes we have had to adapt a lot of stuff from the military
training world...and our IP's and consultants have done a wonderful
job. That being said, we need to make sure that this is what we all
use when it comes to official events. By the end of this year we
should have enough of the kinks worked out and enough real world
experience with the program to provide it for association wide use.
The good news is there are qualified/interested folks popping up all
over the country and the RPA should be able to host these type of
events on a region by region basis soon. However, let's not try to
shortcut the process or cheat the development of literally years of
work in order to have a couple days of fun. One screw up by any one of
us, and organized ACM is gone for all of us. I think there is big
potential for ACM down the road, but there is also big potential for
disaster if a standardized and proven approach isn't taken.
7) Man, less than two weeks to ARS....
Barry
Barry Hancock
Event Director
All Red Star 2004
(949) 300-5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
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| Subject: | LAST DAY FOR DISCOUNT! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Gang,
Today is the last day to pre-pay at the 10% discounted rate for your
All Red Star 2004 event registration fees. We have shattered last
year's registration record and have almost 70 aircraft slated to
attend!
If you have not yet registered, please go to www.allredstar.com and
follow the links.
If you have registered, but not yet paid, please visit...
http://www.flyredstar.org/ARSregisterPayment.aspx
Checks postmarked by midnight tonight will qualify for discount as well.
Thanks, and see you at Castle!
Barry
Barry Hancock
Event Director
All Red Star 2004
(949) 300-5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
Barry Hancock
Event Director
All Red Star 2004
(949) 300-5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
I first draw your attention to Barry's comment.
>
> A bunch of "candy" on the list digest this morning. I have thoughts on
> several (here's your chance to hit the 'delete' key!).
>
Here is your chance again...
> 1) yak-list v. RPA online forums. The both serve there purpose. The
> forums are nice in that they keep the discussion threads clear/coherent
> for long periods of time, and it's easy to pick out topics. They are
> additionally useful to quickly locate posted information that is more
> than a few days old. Yeah, sure, you can argue that the same thing can
> be done on matrionics.com, but look at the CJAA BB. I find that very
> useful to chase down different topics. Yak-list is great, but there
> are members of the association that don't do the yak-list and vice
> versa. I don't think it is "fragmenting" the group, just providing an
> additional useful service. If you don't like it, that's fine, don't
> use it. But please quit with all the detractions of the RPA
> forums....people have put a ton of work and time into providing what is
> the best association website around.
I agree and disagree. First, I applaud anyone who is volunteering their
time and effort to help make this association better. We have great people
here, need to keep them and attract more. We have dedicated people that are
putting effort into many places of the organization and we need even more
people to work other support efforts.
However, I was under the impression that the BBS/forum/email list/matronics
discussion had be gone through and it was clear back then that folks didn't
see the need for a different forum. Sure, we can individually decide not to
use it, but that is NOT the point. We should continue to have members
provide the recommendations AND detractions of all aspects of the RPA from
the forms to FAST clinics, to how often we change the secret handshake so
Brian doesn't learn it. To paraphrase our founding fathers; "it is not only
our right to question the leadership of RPA, it is our RESPONSIBILITY."
Every member has the responsibility to help the leadership improve our
organization.
The RPA is here to serve its members. Doing so means listening to their
requests, assessing the needs, making recommendations to the members, and
then letting the members decide action and priorities. It would be
inappropriate to listen to 50 members asking for a cappocino delivery button
to be placed on the website, when the other 250 members of the organization
want Cafe Moca buttons. It is inappropriate to have resources engaged where
a large portion of the membership doesn't want something. RPA is NOT in the
business of "build it and they will come."
So, to the members; keep commenting on what you want, what you don't want,
and what the priorities should be. Your leadership should continue to build
their skills in listening to the membership and taking the organization
where the membership wants to go.
Note: this is my personal opinion, not necessarily the opinion of anyone
else. Your mileage may vary, weight, before cooking, void where prohibited,
past performance doesn't indcate future potential, ...
Al
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| Subject: | CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM |
ClinicinCalifornia
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Patterson" <Scott.Patterson@peoplesbt.com>
Scotty Patterson; we have 8 Yaks and CJs in the local area.. they just paved our
wide and now smooth 8000' runway, ex Craig AFB, .no tower...out of controlled
airspace..would be glad to help host..Terry sounds like fun...Your Humble Servant...Scott.
>>> TCalloway@datatechnique.com 04/30/04 09:04AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
Locate it in Selma, AL to make it accessable from the mid-west too.
Scotty Patterson is based there and it is a great facility.
tc
>>> scgsmg@direcway.com 4/30/2004 8:38:44 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden < scgsmg@direcway.com >
I hear ya. Let me talk to Drew and Pappy and see what it will take to
set one up. I know most of the NE fellas at SnF had already done this.
Shane
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
California
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
Shane
We gotta do this in the SE. Soon.
Jay
> From: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net >
> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:12:23 -0700
> To: < yak-list@matronics.com >
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
California
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net
>
>
> Fellow Yakers and ACM'ers,
>
> ACM Round TWO will be in California (Airport to be determined, could
be Q99
> South County Airport near San Jose, Ca) the first weekend of
October.
> (October 1,2,3 2004)
>
> Should have a really good turn out for this one. The last one was
great held
> at Q99 South County with a new facility for class room study and
great
> dinners at Keith Frost's house each night (Steak and wine)and built
in
> Yak/CJ maintience facility on site to keep everyone air born during
the
> joist fest.
>
> Hope to see more CJ6's and Yak's from Arizona and Nevada. Good time
for all.
>
> Mark Schrick
> Northern-SW Coordinator REDSTAR Pilot Assoc.
> Yak 52 owner
> San Jose, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - Email found in
subject
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
>
> When/where is the ACM round 2?
>
> Thanks, Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
A personal perpective. I use both this list and the CJAA board (the new one)
and everyones bitchin about it. I'm trying to convince everyone to use the
matronic list. You have to GO to a board. This is just so much simpler.
Just my personal take.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Musings
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> Gang,
>
> First on All Red Star and the link on the RPA site. We're getting that
> taken care of. In the mean time, just go to www.allredstar.com
> directly.
>
> A bunch of "candy" on the list digest this morning. I have thoughts on
> several (here's your chance to hit the 'delete' key!).
>
> 1) yak-list v. RPA online forums. The both serve there purpose. The
> forums are nice in that they keep the discussion threads clear/coherent
> for long periods of time, and it's easy to pick out topics. They are
> additionally useful to quickly locate posted information that is more
> than a few days old. Yeah, sure, you can argue that the same thing can
> be done on matrionics.com, but look at the CJAA BB. I find that very
> useful to chase down different topics. Yak-list is great, but there
> are members of the association that don't do the yak-list and vice
> versa. I don't think it is "fragmenting" the group, just providing an
> additional useful service. If you don't like it, that's fine, don't
> use it. But please quit with all the detractions of the RPA
> forums....people have put a ton of work and time into providing what is
> the best association website around.
>
> 2) Ernie, you want a cuppacino maker? I believe they are standard
> equipment on G-V's.
>
> 3) Vertical penetration. Hmm...tempting, but I'll stay on track here.
> That would be an interesting comparison. -52 has higher Vne but also
> much higher drag. I'm betting that the CJ, especially with big motor
> and many blades prop would make it interesting. That would be a fun
> comparison test...maybe we'll try to fit a side-by-side-by-side-by-side
> comparison run at ARS...
>
> 4) Yak-55's in formation. The dream of the organizers at ARS is to
> have EVERY prop airframe type in a single formation. Let's see, that's
> one each of Yak-3/9,11,18,50,52,54,55, CJ-5, CJ-6,IAR 823, Sukhoi, I-3.
> Last year we could have pulled off 10 of the 12 airplanes. I think
> we'll get Eric Beard to come to our event next year, which takes care
> of the -54. And Eddie Andreini will be there with his Yak-9's. That
> will be a goal for next year's event...
>
> 5) Quantifying the performance increase of the MT on Panda-monium,
> sure. Bitchin' dude! :)
> It's really hard to say at this point, other than it has way more
> static thrust than the 2-blade, is smoother in cruise, and seems to net
> higher speeds. There is no way for *me* to truly evaluate it though as
> I'm flying the different setup on different airplanes. Panda is very
> light, and is rigged better. The real benefit of the 3-blade though,
> is low end thrust, that's why I bought it. Whirlwind v. MT. Hal
> Morely can comment on that....
>
> 6) ACM on the East Coast. My tongue-in-cheek comment about -52's v.
> CJ's aside yesterday, a standardized ACM format is under development
> for the whole association. This is of utmost importance.
>
> Guys, ACM is dangerous. Over the past couple of years we have
> assembled what is most certainly the world's best core of ACM
> instructors and consultants in the civilian world. To do this right in
> our airplanes we have had to adapt a lot of stuff from the military
> training world...and our IP's and consultants have done a wonderful
> job. That being said, we need to make sure that this is what we all
> use when it comes to official events. By the end of this year we
> should have enough of the kinks worked out and enough real world
> experience with the program to provide it for association wide use.
>
> The good news is there are qualified/interested folks popping up all
> over the country and the RPA should be able to host these type of
> events on a region by region basis soon. However, let's not try to
> shortcut the process or cheat the development of literally years of
> work in order to have a couple days of fun. One screw up by any one of
> us, and organized ACM is gone for all of us. I think there is big
> potential for ACM down the road, but there is also big potential for
> disaster if a standardized and proven approach isn't taken.
>
> 7) Man, less than two weeks to ARS....
>
> Barry
>
>
> Barry Hancock
> Event Director
> All Red Star 2004
> (949) 300-5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes!"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM ClinicinCalifornia |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Is this Craig as in near Jacksonville Fl Craig???
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Patterson" <Scott.Patterson@peoplesbt.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM
ClinicinCalifornia
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Patterson"
<Scott.Patterson@peoplesbt.com>
>
> Scotty Patterson; we have 8 Yaks and CJs in the local area.. they just
paved our wide and now smooth 8000' runway, ex Craig AFB, .no tower...out of
controlled airspace..would be glad to help host..Terry sounds like
fun...Your Humble Servant...Scott.
>
> >>> TCalloway@datatechnique.com 04/30/04 09:04AM >>>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
<TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> Locate it in Selma, AL to make it accessable from the mid-west too.
> Scotty Patterson is based there and it is a great facility.
> tc
>
> >>> scgsmg@direcway.com 4/30/2004 8:38:44 AM >>>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden < scgsmg@direcway.com >
>
> I hear ya. Let me talk to Drew and Pappy and see what it will take to
> set one up. I know most of the NE fellas at SnF had already done this.
> Shane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
> California
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
>
> Shane
>
> We gotta do this in the SE. Soon.
>
> Jay
>
> > From: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net >
> > Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:12:23 -0700
> > To: < yak-list@matronics.com >
> > Subject: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
> California
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net
> >
> >
> > Fellow Yakers and ACM'ers,
> >
> > ACM Round TWO will be in California (Airport to be determined, could
> be Q99
> > South County Airport near San Jose, Ca) the first weekend of
> October.
> > (October 1,2,3 2004)
> >
> > Should have a really good turn out for this one. The last one was
> great held
> > at Q99 South County with a new facility for class room study and
> great
> > dinners at Keith Frost's house each night (Steak and wine)and built
> in
> > Yak/CJ maintience facility on site to keep everyone air born during
> the
> > joist fest.
> >
> > Hope to see more CJ6's and Yak's from Arizona and Nevada. Good time
> for all.
> >
> > Mark Schrick
> > Northern-SW Coordinator REDSTAR Pilot Assoc.
> > Yak 52 owner
> > San Jose, CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - Email found in
> subject
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
> >
> > When/where is the ACM round 2?
> >
> > Thanks, Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) |
ACMClinicinCalifornia
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
How bout late October or early November. We've got the Skyfest
Tennessee Fly-in and FAST Clinic scheduled for the first weekend in Oct.
for the SE Region.
tc
>>> Scott.Patterson@peoplesbt.com 4/30/2004 1:38:30 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Patterson" <
Scott.Patterson@peoplesbt.com >
Scotty Patterson; we have 8 Yaks and CJs in the local area.. they just
paved our wide and now smooth 8000' runway, ex Craig AFB, .no
tower...out of controlled airspace..would be glad to help host..Terry
sounds like fun...Your Humble Servant...Scott.
>>> TCalloway@datatechnique.com 04/30/04 09:04AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <
TCalloway@datatechnique.com >
Locate it in Selma, AL to make it accessable from the mid-west too.
Scotty Patterson is based there and it is a great facility.
tc
>>> scgsmg@direcway.com 4/30/2004 8:38:44 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden < scgsmg@direcway.com >
I hear ya. Let me talk to Drew and Pappy and see what it will take to
set one up. I know most of the NE fellas at SnF had already done this.
Shane
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
California
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
Shane
We gotta do this in the SE. Soon.
Jay
> From: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net >
> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:12:23 -0700
> To: < yak-list@matronics.com >
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
California
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net
>
>
> Fellow Yakers and ACM'ers,
>
> ACM Round TWO will be in California (Airport to be determined, could
be Q99
> South County Airport near San Jose, Ca) the first weekend of
October.
> (October 1,2,3 2004)
>
> Should have a really good turn out for this one. The last one was
great held
> at Q99 South County with a new facility for class room study and
great
> dinners at Keith Frost's house each night (Steak and wine)and built
in
> Yak/CJ maintience facility on site to keep everyone air born during
the
> joist fest.
>
> Hope to see more CJ6's and Yak's from Arizona and Nevada. Good time
for all.
>
> Mark Schrick
> Northern-SW Coordinator REDSTAR Pilot Assoc.
> Yak 52 owner
> San Jose, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - Email found in
subject
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
>
> When/where is the ACM round 2?
>
> Thanks, Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM |
ClinicinCalifornia
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Patterson" <Scott.Patterson@peoplesbt.com>
no...as in Alabama..Selma ID SEM has ILS..ramp the size of Texas..I maybe able
to get us a discount on fuel...YHS ...Scott 35 NM west of Montgomery al.
>>> ernest.martinez@oracle.com 04/30/04 02:02PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Is this Craig as in near Jacksonville Fl Craig???
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Patterson" <Scott.Patterson@peoplesbt.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM
ClinicinCalifornia
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Patterson"
<Scott.Patterson@peoplesbt.com>
>
> Scotty Patterson; we have 8 Yaks and CJs in the local area.. they just
paved our wide and now smooth 8000' runway, ex Craig AFB, .no tower...out of
controlled airspace..would be glad to help host..Terry sounds like
fun...Your Humble Servant...Scott.
>
> >>> TCalloway@datatechnique.com 04/30/04 09:04AM >>>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
<TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> Locate it in Selma, AL to make it accessable from the mid-west too.
> Scotty Patterson is based there and it is a great facility.
> tc
>
> >>> scgsmg@direcway.com 4/30/2004 8:38:44 AM >>>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden < scgsmg@direcway.com >
>
> I hear ya. Let me talk to Drew and Pappy and see what it will take to
> set one up. I know most of the NE fellas at SnF had already done this.
> Shane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
> California
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
>
> Shane
>
> We gotta do this in the SE. Soon.
>
> Jay
>
> > From: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net >
> > Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:12:23 -0700
> > To: < yak-list@matronics.com >
> > Subject: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
> California
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net
> >
> >
> > Fellow Yakers and ACM'ers,
> >
> > ACM Round TWO will be in California (Airport to be determined, could
> be Q99
> > South County Airport near San Jose, Ca) the first weekend of
> October.
> > (October 1,2,3 2004)
> >
> > Should have a really good turn out for this one. The last one was
> great held
> > at Q99 South County with a new facility for class room study and
> great
> > dinners at Keith Frost's house each night (Steak and wine)and built
> in
> > Yak/CJ maintience facility on site to keep everyone air born during
> the
> > joist fest.
> >
> > Hope to see more CJ6's and Yak's from Arizona and Nevada. Good time
> for all.
> >
> > Mark Schrick
> > Northern-SW Coordinator REDSTAR Pilot Assoc.
> > Yak 52 owner
> > San Jose, CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - Email found in
> subject
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
> >
> > When/where is the ACM round 2?
> >
> > Thanks, Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM ClinicSE |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay Land" <jland@popeandland.com>
Terry
Good idea. The Rat Pack at Moontown 3M5, is up near Hunstville, AL and they have
4 or 5 Yaks and CJs plus the ones we've got over in the Atlanta area. There's
4 or 5 in SC and a bunch in FL that could come up. Late October is probably
the best time from a weather standpoint as its usually dry and cool, but not
cold yet.
Jay
> ----------
> From: Terry Calloway
> Reply To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 7:04 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic
inCalifornia
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> Locate it in Selma, AL to make it accessable from the mid-west too.
> Scotty Patterson is based there and it is a great facility.
> tc
>
> >>> scgsmg@direcway.com 4/30/2004 8:38:44 AM >>>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden < scgsmg@direcway.com >
>
> I hear ya. Let me talk to Drew and Pappy and see what it will take to
> set one up. I know most of the NE fellas at SnF had already done this.
> Shane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
> California
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
>
> Shane
>
> We gotta do this in the SE. Soon.
>
> Jay
>
> > From: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net >
> > Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:12:23 -0700
> > To: < yak-list@matronics.com >
> > Subject: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
> California
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net
> >
> >
> > Fellow Yakers and ACM'ers,
> >
> > ACM Round TWO will be in California (Airport to be determined, could
> be Q99
> > South County Airport near San Jose, Ca) the first weekend of
> October.
> > (October 1,2,3 2004)
> >
> > Should have a really good turn out for this one. The last one was
> great held
> > at Q99 South County with a new facility for class room study and
> great
> > dinners at Keith Frost's house each night (Steak and wine)and built
> in
> > Yak/CJ maintience facility on site to keep everyone air born during
> the
> > joist fest.
> >
> > Hope to see more CJ6's and Yak's from Arizona and Nevada. Good time
> for all.
> >
> > Mark Schrick
> > Northern-SW Coordinator REDSTAR Pilot Assoc.
> > Yak 52 owner
> > San Jose, CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - Email found in
> subject
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
> >
> > When/where is the ACM round 2?
> >
> > Thanks, Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "RO" <ozambela@hotmail.com>
Please remove me from your lists
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Golden" <scgsmg@direcway.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
California
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
>
> I hear ya. Let me talk to Drew and Pappy and see what it will take to
> set one up. I know most of the NE fellas at SnF had already done this.
> Shane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
> California
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
>
> Shane
>
> We gotta do this in the SE. Soon.
>
> Jay
>
> > From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> > Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:12:23 -0700
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
> California
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> >
> > Fellow Yakers and ACM'ers,
> >
> > ACM Round TWO will be in California (Airport to be determined, could
> be Q99
> > South County Airport near San Jose, Ca) the first weekend of October.
> > (October 1,2,3 2004)
> >
> > Should have a really good turn out for this one. The last one was
> great held
> > at Q99 South County with a new facility for class room study and great
> > dinners at Keith Frost's house each night (Steak and wine)and built in
> > Yak/CJ maintience facility on site to keep everyone air born during
> the
> > joist fest.
> >
> > Hope to see more CJ6's and Yak's from Arizona and Nevada. Good time
> for all.
> >
> > Mark Schrick
> > Northern-SW Coordinator REDSTAR Pilot Assoc.
> > Yak 52 owner
> > San Jose, CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - Email found in
> subject
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
> >
> > When/where is the ACM round 2?
> >
> > Thanks, Jay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 55 in Formation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "RO" <ozambela@hotmail.com>
please remove mfrom your list
----- Original Message -----
From: <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 55 in Formation
> --> Yak-List message posted by: <aapilot@adelphia.net>
>
> On the question of single seaters in FAST Formation:
>
> Yes you can train and gain your FAST qual in a single seater, although
this subject is addressed in the FAST FF&P/PTS, we have enhanced the policy
and provided it for download/viewing on the RPA website:
>
> Select 'Operations' - then select 'Formation', you will see a list of
documents for download or online viewing.
> This subject is addresed in the RPA FAST Wing/Lead Training and Policy
Letters posted for download here.
>
> The short answer is of course yes you can participate with your Yak 55
with like performing aircraft. You must show basic proficiency / safe solo
formation skills in a two seat aircraft prior to participation with your
single seater in training. The checkride can be completed in a single
seater as long as you can provide evidence of having met this standard and
are recommended for the evaluation.
>
> Again, there is a lot of excellent information in this and other subjects,
from why we require parachutes to what you need, and do not need, to gain
your wingmans patch; all in the Wing/Lead Training Documents on the RPA
site.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Drew
>
> >
> > From: Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list-digest@matronics.com>
> > Date: 2004/04/30 Fri AM 02:58:44 EDT
> > To: Yak-List Digest List <yak-list-digest@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 04/29/04
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Chinese fire drill |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> no...as in Alabama..Selma ID SEM has ILS..ramp the size of Texas
Yeah, and a flight of 5 CJ's and a Yak used ALL OF IT a couple years
ago. TC, weren't you flight lead? :)
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Baaaaad Boy! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> Barry
> You've been a very naughty boy! I have it on good authority that those
> weren't round head rivets you were spittin' out during that Air Combat
> Maneuver you did against the 52. I heard it was bits of teeth from
> gritting too hard trying to loose the one on your tail :)
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
Must have been a different Barry....
B
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Sukhoi pilot Ian groom died today while practicing for this weekend. The
article is in the Miami Herald I have included the link below. If you
Florida guys want to do a meaningful formation I suggest that you contact
his family and offer your services.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/8560330.htm?1c
Sad day, enough said.
Gus
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| From: | "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark@yakuk.com> (by way of Matt Dralle <nospam@matronics.com>) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark@yakuk.com> (by
way of Matt Dralle <nospam@matronics.com>)
Last week I took the YAK-52 TD for its first flights, pictures at
<http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp>http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp
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Best regards<http://www.yakuk.com>
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