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1. 12:20 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 05:41 AM - Over Voltage Problem (Edwin Curry)
3. 07:58 AM - Re: Over Voltage Problem (Brian Lloyd)
4. 08:44 AM - Re: ACM Clinic in SE - Selma AL (Jay Land)
5. 10:25 AM - Re: ACM Clinic in SE - Selma AL (Ernie)
6. 10:57 AM - Re: [SPAM] - Re: BFM Training - Email found in subject (Jay Land)
7. 10:59 AM - BFM Clinic (Ernie)
8. 11:26 AM - Re: ACM Clinic in SE - Selma AL (N4829T@aol.com)
9. 11:37 AM - Re: BFM Clinic (Jay Land)
10. 12:18 PM - Re: BFM Clinic (Ernie)
11. 06:17 PM - Re: BFM Clinic (N4829T@aol.com)
12. 07:13 PM - ACM Clinic SE (Shane Golden)
13. 08:04 PM - Re: Vertical penetration (was: Musings) (cjpilot710@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
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following URL:
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Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Over Voltage Problem |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Edwin Curry <EACurry@ev1.net>
Several weeks ago I posted a message that I was having with an Over
voltage Problem with my YAK 52. Yesterday, during a rain out day, I
finally located the problem. I received several good responses to my
message and I an most thankful. I was told that it could be the
regulator, remote voltage adjuster, condenser, reverse voltage relay,
and even the generator. The problem turned out to be a defect that I
feel started at the factory and there was evidence that I found that
support this. I could see places that somebody had been looking for a
problem before. Since I have always had some voltage hiccups this also
supports the factory defect. Here is what I finally found.
Located inside the gray box mounted on the firewall, just inside the
access panel on the fuselage, refereed to in the parts diagram is the DC
Voltage Panel. One of the sides of the remote voltage adjustment wire
goes to the regulator I confirmed continuity there.. The other wire
should have continuity to the bottom left connection on the transformer
located in the upper right corner of the DC voltage panel. At the
factory installed connector that was attached to the transformer there
was a brake inside the insulation. I believe that at the factory, when
the wire was stripped, there was several wires cut in the bundle inside
of the insulation. The connector was soldered to the wire and then
crimped. It worked for a while but eventually due to reduced flow, heat
developed and burned the wire in two inside the insulation. I found
evidence of arching inside the wire with now evidence of a problem from
outside the wire visually. I cleaned the original connector and striped
one quarter of an inch off of the original wire and reinstalled it to
the transformer. I now have continuity to the transformer. Test run
indicates that the remote voltage adjuster now functions properly and
voltage is now nominal.
I posted this message so that if anybody is having electrical ghosts and
feel that the factory wiring looks too good to be a wiring issue, you
should think again. I hope that this has been help to anybody who might
be having an electrical issue. I can tell you that there was a lot of
hours put into finding this ten cent problem.
Good luck and happy flying!
Edwin
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| Subject: | Re: Over Voltage Problem |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Edwin Curry wrote:
> I posted this message so that if anybody is having electrical ghosts and
> feel that the factory wiring looks too good to be a wiring issue, you
> should think again. I hope that this has been help to anybody who might
> be having an electrical issue. I can tell you that there was a lot of
> hours put into finding this ten cent problem.
In the immortal words of Sir Aurthur Conan Doyle, "How often have I said to you
that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable,
must be the truth?"
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: ACM Clinic in SE - Selma AL |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
Works for me, too.
Jay
> From: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 16:59:49 -0500
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: ACM Clinic in SE - Selma AL
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> Sounds good to me.
> tc
>
>>>> scgsmg@direcway.com 5/1/2004 3:39:40 PM >>>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden < scgsmg@direcway.com >
>
> How about Friday October 22nd - Sunday October 24th with a Thursday
> arrival date? Selma AL sounds great. How many instructors out there
> would be willing to assist?
>
> Scott, would you be willing to host?
>
> Anyone interested please let me know off list.
>
> Shane Golden
> scgsmg@direcway.com
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| Subject: | Re: ACM Clinic in SE - Selma AL |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I've got an IP who would be willing to help out. I was hoping to do
something sooner though, probably late May early June. Any one interested? I
was figuring Waycross GA.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Golden" <scgsmg@direcway.com>
Subject: Yak-List: ACM Clinic in SE - Selma AL
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
>
> How about Friday October 22nd - Sunday October 24th with a Thursday
> arrival date? Selma AL sounds great. How many instructors out there
> would be willing to assist?
>
> Scott, would you be willing to host?
>
> Anyone interested please let me know off list.
>
> Shane Golden
> scgsmg@direcway.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: BFM Training - Email found in subject |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
Yep, its Gordie
Sorry, my typo!
Jay
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> Reply-To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 12:41:53 -0500
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Yak-List: BFM Training - Email found in subject
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> I believe the person at Moontown is Gordie Suell who owns a YAK 52, not a
> 55.
> Regards,
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: BFM Training
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Halverson <william@netpros.net>
>>
>>
>> Ah ha!
>>
>> Another YAK-55 driver ... well, make sure you get a handicap out of him
>> 'cause otherwise you'll have a frustrating time staying with him through
>> the maneuvers ...
>>
>> Bill Halverson
>> YAK-55
>>
>>
>> At 04:29 AM 5/1/2004, Jay Land wrote:
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
>>>
>>> Ernie
>>>
>>> One of the guys at Moontown in AL is also an ex F4 and F5 aggressor
> driver.
>>> He's got a Yak 55. Maybe we could get him to join in....
>>>
>>> Jay
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Guys, Rich Hess and My neighbor, both have agreed to be the IP's for the ACM clinic,
both of them AF fighter pilots. Rich has suggested Memorial day weekend.
I figured we could make it a 2 day thing. He recommended Valdosta GA.
Who's up for it. Also a CJAA buddy of mine would come with his L-29, so I may also
bring my Jet. If guys are willing to spring for the fuel, then you can do
1v1 in Jets also. I've been informed that BFM would actually be safer in Jets
since the turning radiuses are larger, giving you more time to think..........yea
think about the fuel you're burning :)
Let me know if this date will work for you guys.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: ACM Clinic in SE - Selma AL |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N4829T@aol.com
I'm game!
Launch Pad
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
Ernie
Count me in. Valdosta or Waycross either would work for me that weekend
Jay
> From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 13:59:02 -0400
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: BFM Clinic
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Guys, Rich Hess and My neighbor, both have agreed to be the IP's for the ACM
> clinic, both of them AF fighter pilots. Rich has suggested Memorial day
> weekend. I figured we could make it a 2 day thing. He recommended Valdosta GA.
>
> Who's up for it. Also a CJAA buddy of mine would come with his L-29, so I may
> also bring my Jet. If guys are willing to spring for the fuel, then you can do
> 1v1 in Jets also. I've been informed that BFM would actually be safer in Jets
> since the turning radiuses are larger, giving you more time to
> think..........yea think about the fuel you're burning :)
>
> Let me know if this date will work for you guys.
>
> Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Cool, who's launch pad???? I'll need to confirm the dates, this is currently
tentative. We'll need a few more folks to make it worth while. Shane? Jim P?
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Land" <jland@popeandland.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: BFM Clinic
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
>
> Ernie
>
> Count me in. Valdosta or Waycross either would work for me that weekend
>
> Jay
>
> > From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> > Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 13:59:02 -0400
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: BFM Clinic
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> >
> > Guys, Rich Hess and My neighbor, both have agreed to be the IP's for the
ACM
> > clinic, both of them AF fighter pilots. Rich has suggested Memorial day
> > weekend. I figured we could make it a 2 day thing. He recommended
Valdosta GA.
> >
> > Who's up for it. Also a CJAA buddy of mine would come with his L-29, so
I may
> > also bring my Jet. If guys are willing to spring for the fuel, then you
can do
> > 1v1 in Jets also. I've been informed that BFM would actually be safer in
Jets
> > since the turning radiuses are larger, giving you more time to
> > think..........yea think about the fuel you're burning :)
> >
> > Let me know if this date will work for you guys.
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: N4829T@aol.com
Long story where that name came from.... Count me in!
Jim "Launch Pad" Plumlee
N31103/CJ-6A
843-263-0679
843-987-7690
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
One of the reason's for pushing an ACM clinic in the SE out until
October/November was to give the RPA time to finish developing a
standardized ACM training program similar to what we have for FAST. We
have an excellent safety record for pilots "graduating" from our FAST
clinics and I'd like to see this for ACM as well. Drew and many others
are currently working on this. We need to get this done before we hold
any formal RPA ACM clinics in the SE.
Any former or current military pilots who would like to help in the
development of the program please contact Drew Blahnick at
aapilot@adelphia.net.
Y'all keep it safe up there.
Shane Golden
SE Region Coordinator, RPA
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical penetration (was: Musings) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Good points Brain, but where the aerodynamic neutral point of the airframe is
in relation to the C/G makes big difference in rate of pitch change. I bet
the C/G is closer to the neutral point on the Y-52 than it is on the CJ-6,
giving it an advantage of switching ends before a lot of energy bleeds off.
Jim Goolsby
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