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1. 03:56 AM - More Vertical Penetration (cpayne@joimail.com)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: Vertical penetration (was: Musings) (Brian Lloyd)
3. 04:37 AM - Re: More Vertical Penetration (Brian Lloyd)
4. 04:51 AM - Re: ACM Clinic SE (Ernie)
5. 05:26 AM - ACM Over Memorial Day (Jeff Linebaugh)
6. 05:56 AM - Re: ACM Clinic SE (Terry Calloway)
7. 05:58 AM - Re: ACM Over Memorial Day (Ernest Martinez)
8. 07:06 AM - NE folks (Daniel Fortin)
9. 07:32 AM - Re: ACM Over Memorial Day (James Enkema)
10. 08:02 AM - Looking forthe person who designed the beautiful Rotating computer wallpaper with aviation anectdotal phrases (Kent Carlomagno)
11. 08:14 AM - Re: ACM Clinic in SE - Selma AL (Scott Patterson)
12. 09:25 AM - ACM Pt1 please read ()
13. 09:47 AM - NE Forums question & ACM pt 2 ()
14. 10:17 AM - Re: More Vertical Penetration (Bill Halverson)
15. 10:59 AM - Re: More Vertical Penetration (Richard Basiliere)
16. 11:02 AM - Re: CJ's and Targets - FALL (Scott Patterson)
17. 03:09 PM - Brackett Air Filters (Jeff Linebaugh)
18. 03:15 PM - CJ specs (Jay Land)
19. 05:06 PM - Re: CJ specs (Graeme Frew)
20. 05:29 PM - Re: [SPAM] - Re: CJ specs - Email found in subject (Jay Land)
21. 06:34 PM - MTW/OSH posted (Duncan aka Russ)
22. 07:30 PM - Re: NE folks (DaBear)
23. 08:09 PM - Sino Defense Weekly and CJ specs (Frank Haertlein)
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| Subject: | More Vertical Penetration |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
ARS attendees,
A little test perhaps? Pair a straight '-52 and stock CJ in
a contest of pullups from max level speed. Then pair a big
engine CJ with the 400HP Yak-52TW. Finally, an Open Class
for 620 Cu In Round Engines; Yak-55, -54, I-3, CJ-6G,
Sukhoi, whatever. Data would be tough to capture but it
should be easy to separate the Winners from the Whiners.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Vertical penetration (was: Musings) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Good points Brain, but where the aerodynamic neutral point of the airframe is
> in relation to the C/G makes big difference in rate of pitch change. I bet
> the C/G is closer to the neutral point on the Y-52 than it is on the CJ-6,
> giving it an advantage of switching ends before a lot of energy bleeds off.
If I were addressing pitch, roll, or yaw rate, you would be 100% correct and I
already conceded that the Yak-52 is very likely to have higher rates therefore
making it more maneuverable. That is what makes it a better acro platform.
The only effect that will have is to give you are sharper-looking pull. It looks
good when doing acro. But you won't necessarily have a smaller turning radius.
The only thing that will change the turning radius is pulling more G. If
you are load/G limited, you are turning rate limited. The Yak-52's 7-G limit
relative to the CJ's 6-G limit gives it the advantage here.
Now we get into the energy issues which are, as you load up the airframe (pull
harder), which airframe bleeds energy the quickest at high load factors. The
Yak-52 will be able to make a smaller turning circle because it can maintain 7G
whereas the CJ6A can maintain only 6G. But can the Yak-52 stay in the turn
long enough to gain advantage and achieve a firing position? In order to keep
flying the Yak pilot is going to have to give away altitude (potential energy)
to sustain airspeed (kinetic energy). His total energy (potential + kinetic)
goes away faster. Now the CJ6A has the energy advantage. Likewise, if I am
flying a CJ6A and want to gain the advantage I will go to the vertical (swapping
kinetic for potential energy) and end up with an altitude/energy advantage.
Can the Yak take advantage of its superior maneuverability to gain firing position
before my energy advantage becomes overwhelming? Perhaps, but that is
what makes a dog-fight, no? I do know that if I can
keep him from gaining a firing position he will run out of energy and end up at
the hard deck with nowhere left to go. He can never force the disengagement.
But all this goes out the window if the Yak-52 has a 400 hp motor and the CJ6A
has the 285 hp motor. At that point the tables may turn but I just don't know.
But back to vertical penetration. My definition of vertical penetration is:
from level flight at the maximum sustainable speed and full throttle do an optimal
pull to the vertical to gain the maximum altitude.
The wing has an optimal L:D point. That is the AoA that produces best L:D. It
is independent of all other variables and the speed changes with loading although
the AoA itself does not. The AoA that will produce the best pitch rate is
right at critical AoA (stall). This will get you from horizontal to the vertical
as quickly as possible (with as much G as possible -- be careful not to
break the airplane). But you will bleed more energy with this maneuver than you
will if you stick with a pull that puts you at best L:D AoA and therefore will
have less energy after the pull and therefore less vertical penetration.
BTW, now do you know why Betty had an AoA indicator and why the project will have
one too. (Besides the fact that I am a gadget freak.)
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: More Vertical Penetration |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
cpayne@joimail.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> ARS attendees,
>
> A little test perhaps? Pair a straight '-52 and stock CJ in
> a contest of pullups from max level speed.
Oh, flight testing! No, you can't do that. That would give you real-world information
and would eliminate the need for perpetual argument. I recommend an
observer in the back seat to log data like IAS and altitude of the level flight
regime, max altitude achieved, etc. Let the pilot concentrate on flying the
aircraft.
To anyone contemplating doing this: don't forget that the wing is still producing
lift and therefore some induced drag. You need to be slightly "nose-down"
from vertical to be at zero AoA on the upline if you want to achieve maximum vertical
penetration.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: ACM Clinic SE |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Well this is just an informal get together do some basics, with formerly
trained guys as IP's. Let me know if you're in.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Golden" <scgsmg@direcway.com>
Subject: Yak-List: ACM Clinic SE
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
>
> One of the reason's for pushing an ACM clinic in the SE out until
> October/November was to give the RPA time to finish developing a
> standardized ACM training program similar to what we have for FAST. We
> have an excellent safety record for pilots "graduating" from our FAST
> clinics and I'd like to see this for ACM as well. Drew and many others
> are currently working on this. We need to get this done before we hold
> any formal RPA ACM clinics in the SE.
>
> Any former or current military pilots who would like to help in the
> development of the program please contact Drew Blahnick at
> aapilot@adelphia.net.
>
> Y'all keep it safe up there.
>
> Shane Golden
> SE Region Coordinator, RPA
>
>
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| Subject: | ACM Over Memorial Day |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jeff Linebaugh <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
It takes a good deal of prep to get a clinic going. My suggestion would be to
try to put off a SE ACM clinic a couple of months so that we can put on a quality
clinic.
I think you need a little more than just having qualified instructors on hand for
an ACM clinic. Just like formation flying, each "community" has slightly different
conventions for ACM. You certainly want everyone on the same page when
you intentionally aim airplanes at one another on collision courses. I think
the instructors should have an opportunity to hash this out, and fly together
before trying to teach it to someone else.
RPA has a very good start on getting this program going...just waiting a couple
of months would make a huge difference in the outcome of an ACM clinic.
BTW...did I mention that I can't make it on Memorial Day weekend... :
)
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: ACM Clinic SE |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
Shane makes excellent points. I will look forward to the Octiber
event.
tc
>>> scgsmg@direcway.com 5/2/2004 9:13:05 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden < scgsmg@direcway.com >
One of the reason's for pushing an ACM clinic in the SE out until
October/November was to give the RPA time to finish developing a
standardized ACM training program similar to what we have for FAST. We
have an excellent safety record for pilots "graduating" from our FAST
clinics and I'd like to see this for ACM as well. Drew and many others
are currently working on this. We need to get this done before we hold
any formal RPA ACM clinics in the SE.
Any former or current military pilots who would like to help in the
development of the program please contact Drew Blahnick at
aapilot@adelphia.net .
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| Subject: | ACM Over Memorial Day |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernest Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Guys,
You're reading too much into this. We are just planning a little get
together so we can have some fun. We are not doing an official anything,
a few guys getting together to fly a little safe BFM. We are not writing
any rule books, creating any training materials, officially sanctioning
a clinic. If you want to come, you're more than welcome, the more the
merrier.
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh
beach@digitalexp.com; Hess737@aol.com; scgsmg@direcway.com;
yak-list@matronics.com; radialpower@cox.net; aapilot@adelphia.net;
MFilucci@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: ACM Over Memorial Day
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jeff Linebaugh
<jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
It takes a good deal of prep to get a clinic going. My suggestion would
be to try to put off a SE ACM clinic a couple of months so that we can
put on a quality clinic.
I think you need a little more than just having qualified instructors on
hand for an ACM clinic. Just like formation flying, each "community"
has slightly different conventions for ACM. You certainly want everyone
on the same page when you intentionally aim airplanes at one another on
collision courses. I think the instructors should have an opportunity
to hash this out, and fly together before trying to teach it to someone
else.
RPA has a very good start on getting this program going...just waiting a
couple of months would make a huge difference in the outcome of an ACM
clinic.
BTW...did I mention that I can't make it on Memorial Day weekend... :
)
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
==
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==
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
If my memory serves me right, I remember someone mentioning something about
a North-East Forum/List/What-U-might-call-it. I realize I do not really
live in the NE USA, but you guys are still the RPA folks closer to me. How
can one be included in this communication loop?
Dan Fortin
Montreal
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: ACM Over Memorial Day |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "James Enkema" <lennoxlimited@earthlink.net>
Yep, now your talking...a fall tour maybe up the East Coast to Atlantic
City...weekend in the Smokies..Sevierville..warbird museum..hot tub.
Destination would terminate at a point that best suits the geographical
needs of those that want to get together. SNF, OSH and RPA west coast event
are great events but lets just get together for a few weekends of R&R.
Cheers
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: ACM Over Memorial Day
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernest Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
>
> Guys,
>
> You're reading too much into this. We are just planning a little get
> together so we can have some fun. We are not doing an official anything,
> a few guys getting together to fly a little safe BFM. We are not writing
> any rule books, creating any training materials, officially sanctioning
> a clinic. If you want to come, you're more than welcome, the more the
> merrier.
>
> Ernie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh
> To: jland@popeandland.com; cjpilot710@aol.com; N4829T@aol.com;
> beach@digitalexp.com; Hess737@aol.com; scgsmg@direcway.com;
> yak-list@matronics.com; radialpower@cox.net; aapilot@adelphia.net;
> MFilucci@aol.com
> Subject: Yak-List: ACM Over Memorial Day
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jeff Linebaugh
> <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
>
> It takes a good deal of prep to get a clinic going. My suggestion would
> be to try to put off a SE ACM clinic a couple of months so that we can
> put on a quality clinic.
>
> I think you need a little more than just having qualified instructors on
> hand for an ACM clinic. Just like formation flying, each "community"
> has slightly different conventions for ACM. You certainly want everyone
> on the same page when you intentionally aim airplanes at one another on
> collision courses. I think the instructors should have an opportunity
> to hash this out, and fly together before trying to teach it to someone
> else.
>
> RPA has a very good start on getting this program going...just waiting a
> couple of months would make a huge difference in the outcome of an ACM
> clinic.
>
> BTW...did I mention that I can't make it on Memorial Day weekend... :
> )
>
> Jeff Linebaugh
>
>
> jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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| Subject: | Looking forthe person who designed the beautiful Rotating computer |
wallpaper with aviation anectdotal phrases
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kent Carlomagno" <carlomagno@earthlink.net>
Is there someone out there in Yak land who designed a rotating wallpaper for our
computer opening page with beautiful cloud formations and in the upper right
corner it had famous aviation anectdotal phrases by Helen Keller, Leonardo da
Vinci and Richard Bach for example???
PLease Let me know!
Sincerely;
Kent Carlomagno
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| Subject: | Re: ACM Clinic in SE - Selma AL |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Patterson" <Scott.Patterson@peoplesbt.com>
will be willing to work things this end..scott..I can be contacted off line at
scott.patterson@peoplesbt.com ....direct phone 334-418-8268 YHS scott
>>> jland@popeandland.com 05/02/04 05:43AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
Works for me, too.
Jay
> From: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 16:59:49 -0500
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: ACM Clinic in SE - Selma AL
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> Sounds good to me.
> tc
>
>>>> scgsmg@direcway.com 5/1/2004 3:39:40 PM >>>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden < scgsmg@direcway.com >
>
> How about Friday October 22nd - Sunday October 24th with a Thursday
> arrival date? Selma AL sounds great. How many instructors out there
> would be willing to assist?
>
> Scott, would you be willing to host?
>
> Anyone interested please let me know off list.
>
> Shane Golden
> scgsmg@direcway.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | ACM Pt1 please read |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Folks,
An attempt to clarify for those interested in the program,
Since 2002 and ARS 1 the concept of a national standardized program on the subject
has been bounced around and planned for. Last years ARS ACM presentation/ground
school and flight program, put on with the volunteer help of Motto and
Hairball, was an excellent role model. What we have as a F.A.S.T. body at the
signatory level, with a panel of chairmen overseeing Records, Training, Standardization
and Policy has, for the most part, been an effective body to complete
most of our initiatives and manage the program. As you can imagine, the limiting
factor is the active participation of volunteers, time is short for many
folks who would otherwise have the motivation to contribute.
Having said that I'm putting forward the invitation to several folks, the invitations
have gone out, to form the initial panel of members who will, we hope,
quickly review the ARS and other documents we have on file and formulate what
will become the single RPA standard. This panel will hopefully morph in to what
we have to help facilitate our F.A.S.T. program within the association. These
folks are from all regions in the US, thus they can hopefully work in their
regions for the benefit of the program. They are all owners of our aircraft,
members of the association, your friends and flying buddies and have extensive
experience as weapon school instructors and/or high fighter time. We are asking
them to review the products and programs, this will include "The Golden Rules"
or ROE so critical for all participants to commit to memory and demand compliance
from all participants, to the Training Manual, presentation, training
syllabus, etc.
Why is it so important that we collectively agree to see this effort through?
At all the RPA formation clinics/events I've attended / observed, I can see the
institutional flight discipline displayed by our members. At ARS last year
only one pilot out of 50+ displayed a lack of respect for the briefed limits.
I believe this is due to the caliber of our pilots, and to their response to
the larger organization - they come together, understand, accept and accel within
the parameters of that institution, to do otherwise is to cast yourself off
the island by your own hand. The result is a safe environment for all. The
same organizational peer pressure if you will, is often the only thing that makes
the risky environment of military aviation free of more situations like we
saw in Washington State with the B-52 accident of years past.
The timing of this is sobering to some degree. At the National Warbird Conference
and again at SunFun I spoke with Bill Cherwin, flight lead for the T-34 demo
team Lima-Lima and our current National F.A.S.T. Board president. We spoke
about the condition of the T-34 community and looked at some pictures of a formation
of T-34s that ran in to the 60s at an EAA event - at this years SunnFun
they had only a handful flying. The T-34 community has been rocked by the ACM
related fatal accident [at Skywarriors if I recall] several years ago and again
at Texas Air Aces last year. The cause is not the scope of this conversation,
simply to express why you might hear a call for unity and organization
when approaching this venue. The result of high profile accidents in ACM in our
community will be different than that experienced by the T-34, if for no other
reason than our experimental category, but regardless of the FAA/NTSB, the
negative impact and loss of life will be final and f
orever.
So instead of sticking the associations head in the sand, I believe your association
should approach the subject as we have for other flight training programs,
collecting our volunteers with the right experience and knowledge, establishing
a workable standard, and moving forward.
This will not be an endless, drawn out process - I'm looking for a moderator of
the panel who is not a member of that panel, to facilitate meeting these objectives
sooner than later.
Let me propose this; we have major regional events every month from May to September
in several regions. These events promote the skills required for anyone
who aspires to fly simulated air combat (strong formation skills, extended trail
exercises, aerobatics experience, UAR, etc.), if you are interested in this
venue, register online for our clinics this summer.
If you have feedback, or want to discuss this one on one, e-mail me directly off
list or call my cell if you like, fly safe!
Drew
Drew Blahnick
RPA President
310.872.0754
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| Subject: | NE Forums question & ACM pt 2 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <aapilot@adelphia.net>
Pt 2:
First, everyone should be aware that the RPA, which is 365 pilots and growing who
many use matronics, supports the matronics lists. A suggestion to donate through
the RPA is a good one, we'll see how the year pans out with Jim (Treasurer).
As for the member who posted concerning where the NE Forums are. The graphical forums at www.rpatalk.com have "rooms" set up for each region to post regional event details, or whatever regional subject matter is needed, there is an ACM room, and more.
The forums cost nothing and take no ongoing mainteniance. My concern is not that
you use them, but that you know they are there. If you bookmark the site and
check "auto-login" its one click to view the forums and posts can be viewed
and saved on the RPAs server, they e-mail you if someone posts, show who's online
and checked in and allows you to read the members bio (aircraft, or whatever).
Again, it is simply another communication platform with it's own strengths and
weaknesses provide to the community. In the future, some very specific planning
and organizational discussions may benefit from these platforms that graphically
reserve the original and subsequent posts in isolated "branched" format.
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| Subject: | Re: More Vertical Penetration |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Halverson <william@netpros.net>
Sounds like fun to me!
At 03:31 AM 5/3/2004, cpayne@joimail.com wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
>ARS attendees,
>
>A little test perhaps? Pair a straight '-52 and stock CJ in
>a contest of pullups from max level speed. Then pair a big
>engine CJ with the 400HP Yak-52TW. Finally, an Open Class
>for 620 Cu In Round Engines; Yak-55, -54, I-3, CJ-6G,
>Sukhoi, whatever. Data would be tough to capture but it
>should be easy to separate the Winners from the Whiners.
>
>Craig Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: More Vertical Penetration |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
fun to see how 2 blade v. 3 blade turns out. and if anyone is using the
new hotshot "MT Wide Cord"
>>> william@netpros.net 5/3/2004 7:53:00 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Halverson <william@netpros.net>
Sounds like fun to me!
At 03:31 AM 5/3/2004, cpayne@joimail.com wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com"
<cpayne@joimail.com>
>
>ARS attendees,
>
>A little test perhaps? Pair a straight '-52 and stock CJ in
>a contest of pullups from max level speed. Then pair a big
>engine CJ with the 400HP Yak-52TW. Finally, an Open Class
>for 620 Cu In Round Engines; Yak-55, -54, I-3, CJ-6G,
>Sukhoi, whatever. Data would be tough to capture but it
>should be easy to separate the Winners from the Whiners.
>
>Craig Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ's and Targets - FALL |
(October)ACMClinicinCalifornia
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Patterson" <Scott.Patterson@peoplesbt.com>
terry it would be nice to have it during light-savings time..YHS scott
>>> TCalloway@datatechnique.com 04/30/04 03:11PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
How bout late October or early November. We've got the Skyfest
Tennessee Fly-in and FAST Clinic scheduled for the first weekend in Oct.
for the SE Region.
tc
>>> Scott.Patterson@peoplesbt.com 4/30/2004 1:38:30 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Patterson" <
Scott.Patterson@peoplesbt.com >
Scotty Patterson; we have 8 Yaks and CJs in the local area.. they just
paved our wide and now smooth 8000' runway, ex Craig AFB, .no
tower...out of controlled airspace..would be glad to help host..Terry
sounds like fun...Your Humble Servant...Scott.
>>> TCalloway@datatechnique.com 04/30/04 09:04AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <
TCalloway@datatechnique.com >
Locate it in Selma, AL to make it accessable from the mid-west too.
Scotty Patterson is based there and it is a great facility.
tc
>>> scgsmg@direcway.com 4/30/2004 8:38:44 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden < scgsmg@direcway.com >
I hear ya. Let me talk to Drew and Pappy and see what it will take to
set one up. I know most of the NE fellas at SnF had already done this.
Shane
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
California
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
Shane
We gotta do this in the SE. Soon.
Jay
> From: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net >
> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:12:23 -0700
> To: < yak-list@matronics.com >
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - FALL (October) ACM Clinic in
California
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" < schrick@pacbell.net
>
>
> Fellow Yakers and ACM'ers,
>
> ACM Round TWO will be in California (Airport to be determined, could
be Q99
> South County Airport near San Jose, Ca) the first weekend of
October.
> (October 1,2,3 2004)
>
> Should have a really good turn out for this one. The last one was
great held
> at Q99 South County with a new facility for class room study and
great
> dinners at Keith Frost's house each night (Steak and wine)and built
in
> Yak/CJ maintience facility on site to keep everyone air born during
the
> joist fest.
>
> Hope to see more CJ6's and Yak's from Arizona and Nevada. Good time
for all.
>
> Mark Schrick
> Northern-SW Coordinator REDSTAR Pilot Assoc.
> Yak 52 owner
> San Jose, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: CJ's and Targets - Email found in
subject
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land < jland@popeandland.com >
>
> When/where is the ACM round 2?
>
> Thanks, Jay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Brackett Air Filters |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jeff Linebaugh <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
Just ordered a new Air Filter for my CJ from Brackett and noted that the contact
info has changed. (Air box intake filter..not the air system filter.)
The new contact info is:
Brackett Aero Filters
928-757-4005
Kingman, AZ
CJ Part # BA-197E
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
I am taking my CJ over for a static display at the Dobbins NAS Air Show this
weekend and thought I'd put up a board with some CJ specs and general info.
Has anyone got some text already made up like this that they'd care to
share?
How about any pictures of CJs in China on military bases?
Thanks
Jay
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Jay,
Try www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/trainer/cj6.asp
There are some neat photos of about a zillion Nanchangs lined up with pilots
and instructors standing to attention on the seats. It should help your
display board no end.
Cheers,
Graeme Frew
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| Subject: | Re: CJ specs - Email found in subject |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
Great site and thanks to all who have responded. I'm going to try to help
"spread the word"!
Jay
> From: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
> Reply-To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 12:08:27 +1200
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Yak-List: CJ specs - Email found in subject
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
>
> Jay,
> Try www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/trainer/cj6.asp
> There are some neat photos of about a zillion Nanchangs lined up with pilots
> and instructors standing to attention on the seats. It should help your
> display board no end.
> Cheers,
> Graeme Frew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
::whistles,wavesarms::
Russ "Air Boss" Witte-Dycus
North Central Event Coordinator
Red Star Pilot's Association
http://www.flyredstar.org
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Which is why regional information should NOT be limited to just the region.
However we DO have filters that prevent Dan Fortin from reading about the
fun things we are doing. Never did like Dan.....
In all seriousness, we have a NE clinic in Deleware at the end of June if
you are interested.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: NE folks
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>
> If my memory serves me right, I remember someone mentioning something
about
> a North-East Forum/List/What-U-might-call-it. I realize I do not really
> live in the NE USA, but you guys are still the RPA folks closer to me.
How
> can one be included in this communication loop?
>
> Dan Fortin
> Montreal
> Canada
>
>
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| Subject: | Sino Defense Weekly and CJ specs |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Graeme;
I liked your www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft/trainer/cj6.asp link
and included it in the YAK links page at
http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver
It pays to stay informed! Hehehehe
Have you seen their link on nuclear weapons?
http://www.sinodefence.com/nuclear/default.asp
Frank
N9110M
PS, You gotta love those Chinese. Can you imagine islamic sleeper cells
in that country? They'd have em' rounded up and eliminated in no time. I
hear they make great airplanes too! :) hehehehehe (Brian?)
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