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1. 03:48 AM - Re: OSH Participation (cpayne@joimail.com)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: OSH Participation (Daniel Fortin)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Re: OSH Participation (Bob Monzo)
4. 06:27 AM - OSH Participation (MFilucci@aol.com)
5. 07:05 AM - Re: OSH Participation (Ernie Martinez)
6. 08:56 AM - Re: OSH Participation (Daniel Fortin)
7. 09:48 AM - Re: Empty Weight (Jim and Vivian)
8. 11:13 AM - OSH v. RNO (Barry Hancock)
9. 12:01 PM - Re: OSH v. RNO (Ernie Martinez)
10. 12:07 PM - Re: OSH v. RNO (Richard Basiliere)
11. 02:11 PM - Formation flying at flying W NJ (Rob Mortara)
12. 05:15 PM - Pardon my terminology (David Stroud)
13. 05:25 PM - Re: Pardon my terminology (A. Dennis Savarese)
14. 05:34 PM - Re: Pardon my terminology (Ernie)
15. 05:40 PM - Re: Pardon my terminology (Gary Reynolds)
16. 05:47 PM - Re: Pardon my terminology (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
17. 06:37 PM - Compressed water and the SNOT BOTTLE (Frank Haertlein)
18. 06:55 PM - Re: Formation flying at flying W NJ (Phil Cogan)
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Participation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Grasshopper,
There WERE about 40 Yaks/CJ's at last year's Air Venture.
Maybe not all on the same day but they were there.
Not all pilots were YPA/RPA members.
Not all pilots knew of the YPA/RPA organization.
Some pilots had no interest in formation flying; acro, you
know.
A good number were NOT formation rated.
OSH event schedules have really been screwed up over the
last few years. Once upon a time it was long WB shows on
Thursday and Sunday. Now they have them spread out over the
week and Sunday's WB show is Wiskey Delta for sure.
My friend Ernie may have underlined his point strongly, with
tongue in cheek I'm sure but he has outlined some drawbacks
that exist: we mortals just can't fly into OSH without
plenty of prior planning and step on the red carpet, grab
the keys to the courtesy car and head for the Ritz. Chuck
Yeager can but not CJ Craig.
The real question is: What can WE do about OUR situation?
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Participation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Time, time as always been the biggest issue for me with OSH. In addition,
this year, we are planning to meet in MTW for a week prior to OSH for mass
formation training. I agree, we want to look our best for the big parade, I
agree the NATA folks have been doing this for years. The big difference is
you can be a working stiff and own/operate a Yak/CJ instead of being a
millionaire owning a NATA airplane. Vacation time is already at a premium
for most, one week of mass form practice, one week of OSH, plus all the
necessary nights spent at the Cockroach Inn due to WX, means one has to
steal a fair amount of time for family and love ones to go burn smoke in the
sky.
As for me, I have my hotel reservation for the whole 2 weeks, but have yet
to decide if I will attend. I am Wing qualified, but cannot find an under
writer who is willing to cover a poor Canadian while doing mass formation
over OSH :-( If I do attend, it will be to go see my friends and
hopefully have some fun doing a little form flying and a lot of CRUD.
Dan
>From: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: Re: OSH Participation
>Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:12:48 -0400
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
>Grasshopper,
>
>There WERE about 40 Yaks/CJ's at last year's Air Venture.
>Maybe not all on the same day but they were there.
>
>Not all pilots were YPA/RPA members.
>
>Not all pilots knew of the YPA/RPA organization.
>
>Some pilots had no interest in formation flying; acro, you
>know.
>
>A good number were NOT formation rated.
>
>OSH event schedules have really been screwed up over the
>last few years. Once upon a time it was long WB shows on
>Thursday and Sunday. Now they have them spread out over the
>week and Sunday's WB show is Wiskey Delta for sure.
>
>My friend Ernie may have underlined his point strongly, with
>tongue in cheek I'm sure but he has outlined some drawbacks
>that exist: we mortals just can't fly into OSH without
>plenty of prior planning and step on the red carpet, grab
>the keys to the courtesy car and head for the Ritz. Chuck
>Yeager can but not CJ Craig.
>
>The real question is: What can WE do about OUR situation?
>
>Craig Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: OSH Participation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
In my humble opinion, the focus of our organization has changed from being
an association of Yak/CJ owners pilots to a warbird association who must
compete with other warbird associations. In my mind, this is exemplified by
the decision a couple of years ago to exclude FNGs from training at MTW. A
few years ago, I showed up at MTW and was provided with wonderful formation
training by numerous folks. Now, that is no longer available. Most of us
who are not retired do not have the time available to attend a separate
formation clinic and OSH. I propose we get back to our roots and take care
of our own instead of attempting to be another NATA or T-34 association.
I've belonged to both of these organizations. And frankly, they're not a
lot of fun.
Bob M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: OSH Participation
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Time, time as always been the biggest issue for me with OSH. In addition,
> this year, we are planning to meet in MTW for a week prior to OSH for mass
> formation training. I agree, we want to look our best for the big parade,
I
> agree the NATA folks have been doing this for years. The big difference
is
> you can be a working stiff and own/operate a Yak/CJ instead of being a
> millionaire owning a NATA airplane. Vacation time is already at a premium
> for most, one week of mass form practice, one week of OSH, plus all the
> necessary nights spent at the Cockroach Inn due to WX, means one has to
> steal a fair amount of time for family and love ones to go burn smoke in
the
> sky.
>
> As for me, I have my hotel reservation for the whole 2 weeks, but have yet
> to decide if I will attend. I am Wing qualified, but cannot find an under
> writer who is willing to cover a poor Canadian while doing mass formation
> over OSH :-( If I do attend, it will be to go see my friends and
> hopefully have some fun doing a little form flying and a lot of CRUD.
>
> Dan
>
>
> >From: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
> >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Yak-List: Re: OSH Participation
> >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:12:48 -0400
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
> >
> >Grasshopper,
> >
> >There WERE about 40 Yaks/CJ's at last year's Air Venture.
> >Maybe not all on the same day but they were there.
> >
> >Not all pilots were YPA/RPA members.
> >
> >Not all pilots knew of the YPA/RPA organization.
> >
> >Some pilots had no interest in formation flying; acro, you
> >know.
> >
> >A good number were NOT formation rated.
> >
> >OSH event schedules have really been screwed up over the
> >last few years. Once upon a time it was long WB shows on
> >Thursday and Sunday. Now they have them spread out over the
> >week and Sunday's WB show is Wiskey Delta for sure.
> >
> >My friend Ernie may have underlined his point strongly, with
> >tongue in cheek I'm sure but he has outlined some drawbacks
> >that exist: we mortals just can't fly into OSH without
> >plenty of prior planning and step on the red carpet, grab
> >the keys to the courtesy car and head for the Ritz. Chuck
> >Yeager can but not CJ Craig.
> >
> >The real question is: What can WE do about OUR situation?
> >
> >Craig Payne
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | OSH Participation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 6/9/04 9:11:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
yakpilot@wideopenwest.com writes:
In my mind, this is exemplified by
the decision a couple of years ago to exclude FNGs from training at MTW. A
few years ago, I showed up at MTW and was provided with wonderful formation
training by numerous folks. Now, that is no longer available.
Actually, this year is the first year the RPA is not offering a FAST ground
school and formation training program at OSH/MTW. In looking at the email
traffic over the last few days I see conflicted messages. Some write that the
RPA is too formation oriented, others that we don't provide enough
opportunities for form training. Some want everyone to stay at OSH and others
prefer the
less crowded conditions that exist at an outlying field. This is the dilemma
I have seen for the last 5 years that I have been associated with the YPA/RPA
-- I call it the butt kissing paradox: if the RPA President kisses every
single member's butt, someone will raise their hand and complain that they were
kissed on the left cheek instead of the preferred right cheek. In the end,
this association will be exactly what you want it to be -- make your
interests/goals known to your regional coordinator, board of directors and officers.
This Yak List is a nice forum for exchanging ideas (and gripes) but you need to
contact your representatives to make your voice heard. It is your
association.
Mike
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| Subject: | OSH Participation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Don't you just love a democracy :)
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
MFilucci@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: OSH Participation
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 6/9/04 9:11:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
yakpilot@wideopenwest.com writes:
In my mind, this is exemplified by
the decision a couple of years ago to exclude FNGs from training at
MTW. A
few years ago, I showed up at MTW and was provided with wonderful
formation
training by numerous folks. Now, that is no longer available.
Actually, this year is the first year the RPA is not offering a FAST
ground
school and formation training program at OSH/MTW. In looking at the
email
traffic over the last few days I see conflicted messages. Some write
that the
RPA is too formation oriented, others that we don't provide enough
opportunities for form training. Some want everyone to stay at OSH and
others prefer the
less crowded conditions that exist at an outlying field. This is the
dilemma
I have seen for the last 5 years that I have been associated with the
YPA/RPA
-- I call it the butt kissing paradox: if the RPA President kisses
every
single member's butt, someone will raise their hand and complain that
they were
kissed on the left cheek instead of the preferred right cheek. In the
end,
this association will be exactly what you want it to be -- make your
interests/goals known to your regional coordinator, board of directors
and officers.
This Yak List is a nice forum for exchanging ideas (and gripes) but you
need to
contact your representatives to make your voice heard. It is your
association.
Mike
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | OSH Participation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Ok, let us do something about it.
Anyone interrested in FAST training in MTW? I will be in MTW/OSH, am WING
(looking at getting Lead) qualified and can donate some time to organize an
informal FAST clinic. Most of the infrastructure is already ready to
receive us, lets see how many clients we have and take it from there.
Dan
>From: MFilucci@aol.com
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: OSH Participation
>Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:27:06 EDT
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 6/9/04 9:11:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>yakpilot@wideopenwest.com writes:
>
>In my mind, this is exemplified by
>the decision a couple of years ago to exclude FNGs from training at MTW.
>A
>few years ago, I showed up at MTW and was provided with wonderful
>formation
>training by numerous folks. Now, that is no longer available.
>
>
>Actually, this year is the first year the RPA is not offering a FAST ground
>school and formation training program at OSH/MTW. In looking at the email
>traffic over the last few days I see conflicted messages. Some write that
>the
>RPA is too formation oriented, others that we don't provide enough
>opportunities for form training. Some want everyone to stay at OSH and
>others prefer the
>less crowded conditions that exist at an outlying field. This is the
>dilemma
>I have seen for the last 5 years that I have been associated with the
>YPA/RPA
>-- I call it the butt kissing paradox: if the RPA President kisses every
>single member's butt, someone will raise their hand and complain that they
>were
>kissed on the left cheek instead of the preferred right cheek. In the end,
>this association will be exactly what you want it to be -- make your
>interests/goals known to your regional coordinator, board of directors and
>officers.
>This Yak List is a nice forum for exchanging ideas (and gripes) but you
>need to
>contact your representatives to make your voice heard. It is your
>association.
>
>Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Empty Weight |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim and Vivian" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
Mike
Your Empty weight is about right.
Jim Selby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Di Marco" <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Empty Weight
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
<cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks everyone for your replies. Another example of community unity and
the value of this medium.
>
> Mike
>
> Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
>
> I'm wondering if my empty weight is in line with what is "normal" for the
CJ-6A. Yakity Yaks lists it as 1900lbs and China Defence lists it as 1095
kgs(2414 lbs). With the black boxes removed, I'm coming in at 2340 lbs.
Normal or Not?
>
> Mike Di Marco
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Jun 8, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
> <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Given a choice between Reno and OSH, I would take OSH any day, went to
> Reno for the first time last year... was about as exciting as watching
> grass grow.
>
> Ernie
>
Geez, E, you are a *tough* sale, my friend. Yeah, the sport class or
even jet class aren't much to get the adrenaline flowing, but if the
Unlimited medal races don't fire you up just a little....
Just out of curiosity, and I'm sure other enquiring minds want to know,
what *does* excite you about aviation? It sure doesn't seem to be
flying large formations in the biggest airshows in the country or
Merlins, R-2000/3350's, and Griffon's screaming along WFO at 400+ knots
mere feet off the valley floor....
There sure is a lot to complain about in this world, but I didn't think
flying cool airplanes was part of it....
B
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
You have me all wrong my friend, out of all the classes,the sport class
was the most exciting, real neck in neck racing. All the other classes
were like watching the warbird show at OSH or S&F.
Don't get me wrong, I love seeing and hearing those big engine behemoths
whizzing by, its just didn't seem like racing to me.
I like flying formation, I try to make every clinic I can, I just got
into some BFM and thought that was outstanding, I love the smell of Jet
fuel in the morning when I fire up my L-29 and burn some grass. I also
like butterflys and cute little kittens, poetry and long walks at sunset
with that someone special, some Mocha mint coffe before nite nite with a
good Joan Collins Novel.
Then I put on Spike TV and watch the Man Show :)
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: OSH v. RNO
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Jun 8, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
> <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Given a choice between Reno and OSH, I would take OSH any day, went to
> Reno for the first time last year... was about as exciting as watching
> grass grow.
>
> Ernie
>
Geez, E, you are a *tough* sale, my friend. Yeah, the sport class or
even jet class aren't much to get the adrenaline flowing, but if the
Unlimited medal races don't fire you up just a little....
Just out of curiosity, and I'm sure other enquiring minds want to know,
what *does* excite you about aviation? It sure doesn't seem to be
flying large formations in the biggest airshows in the country or
Merlins, R-2000/3350's, and Griffon's screaming along WFO at 400+ knots
mere feet off the valley floor....
There sure is a lot to complain about in this world, but I didn't think
flying cool airplanes was part of it....
B
==
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==
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Pulling 10, pushing 6, and 5 vertical rolls, flicks up and down....
Oops...not asking me. OSH and RNO very close seconds. Respectfully,
Rick
>>> radialpower@cox.net 6/9/2004 12:09:47 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Jun 8, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
> <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Given a choice between Reno and OSH, I would take OSH any day, went
to
> Reno for the first time last year... was about as exciting as
watching
> grass grow.
>
> Ernie
>
Geez, E, you are a *tough* sale, my friend. Yeah, the sport class or
even jet class aren't much to get the adrenaline flowing, but if the
Unlimited medal races don't fire you up just a little....
Just out of curiosity, and I'm sure other enquiring minds want to know,
what *does* excite you about aviation? It sure doesn't seem to be
flying large formations in the biggest airshows in the country or
Merlins, R-2000/3350's, and Griffon's screaming along WFO at 400+ knots
mere feet off the valley floor....
There sure is a lot to complain about in this world, but I didn't think
flying cool airplanes was part of it....
B
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| Subject: | Formation flying at flying W NJ |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
Any on interested in joining us on Sunday doing some formation Flying W N14
meet 9:00
We have 2 CJ's 1 Yak and 1 T-6
rob
732 496-7663
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| Subject: | Pardon my terminology |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Slobber, snot or worse. I think I've heard them all used in reference to a discharge
device
on the Housai or Vendenyev engine installations. Could someone please advise where
in
the system this thing goes and in fact what it is, in simple terms ? I think it's
just some
type
of collector with a drain valve that is opened after the final flight of the day
to allow
accumulated
oil frothing stuff a convenient way out of the system. Close? Thanks..
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
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| Subject: | Re: Pardon my terminology |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Basically correct. It is the first device on the output side of the
compressor and is an air/oil separator. It's purpose is to remove as much
moisture and oil as possible as the pneumatic system tank is replenished.
The term "snot" is used because it resembles snot when it hits the ground
after you open the bottle and drain it.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
>
> Slobber, snot or worse. I think I've heard them all used in reference to a
discharge device
> on the Housai or Vendenyev engine installations. Could someone please
advise where in
> the system this thing goes and in fact what it is, in simple terms ? I
think it's just some
> type
> of collector with a drain valve that is opened after the final flight of
the day to allow
> accumulated
> oil frothing stuff a convenient way out of the system. Close? Thanks..
>
> David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> Fairchild 51 early construction
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pardon my terminology |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
You are referring to the snot valve, affectionlly called that because thats
what the stuf that comes out of it looks like. The device is upstream from
the compressor, and is a water trap. The snot is from the oil mixing in with
the water.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
>
> Slobber, snot or worse. I think I've heard them all used in reference to a
discharge device
> on the Housai or Vendenyev engine installations. Could someone please
advise where in
> the system this thing goes and in fact what it is, in simple terms ? I
think it's just some
> type
> of collector with a drain valve that is opened after the final flight of
the day to allow
> accumulated
> oil frothing stuff a convenient way out of the system. Close? Thanks..
>
> David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> Fairchild 51 early construction
>
>
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| Subject: | Pardon my terminology |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gary Reynolds <gary.reynolds@hills.com.au>
Correct & i drain it after every flight
Gary Reynolds
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Basically correct. It is the first device on the output side of the
compressor and is an air/oil separator. It's purpose is to remove as much
moisture and oil as possible as the pneumatic system tank is replenished.
The term "snot" is used because it resembles snot when it hits the ground
after you open the bottle and drain it.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
>
> Slobber, snot or worse. I think I've heard them all used in reference to a
discharge device
> on the Housai or Vendenyev engine installations. Could someone please
advise where in
> the system this thing goes and in fact what it is, in simple terms ? I
think it's just some
> type
> of collector with a drain valve that is opened after the final flight of
the day to allow
> accumulated
> oil frothing stuff a convenient way out of the system. Close? Thanks..
>
> David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> Fairchild 51 early construction
>
>
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| Subject: | Pardon my terminology |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
The "snot" valve is typically mounted right AFTER the engine driven air
compressor and is secured to the engine firewall. It consists of a small
collection "tank" that allows moisture ... along with some oil to condense
in the tank. A valve allows the tank to be vented to outside air, and this
accumulated oil/moisture mixture comes out of a small line, the result being
a burst of nasty looking stuff that looks remarkably like.... well, you get
the idea. The oil in the air is a function of the compressor leaking a
little engine oil past it's seals as the air is being compressed. Engine oil
combined with water gives you a brown looking.... mess.
There is no check valve between the compressor and the snot valve, thus
giving the owner a good idea of how "tight" the lines are between the
compressor and valve. If you finish flying and you go to vent the thing and
there is only a very gentle whoosh of air out of it... you've got a leak.
In the YAK-50 and 52's, the original line from the compressor banjo fitting
to the snot valve is a solid piece with a "coil" in the middle to allow
movement of the engine in it's mounts while the solid line is still
connected to the snot valve. This line ALWAYS breaks. It's just a matter
of time. A good solution is to replace it with a Sukhoi hose off of a 26
model. The line I am talking about is used for injection of oil into the
exhaust manifold (smoke) and is a flex steel line rated for high pressure.
I put one of these in my 50 after the solid line broke.... twice. Of course
my engine "rubbers" were also very worn at the time which is an obvious
reason for the solid line breaking so easily.
More than you asked for..... sorry.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: David Stroud [mailto:davestroud@rogers.com]
Subject: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Slobber, snot or worse. I think I've heard them all used in reference to a
discharge device
on the Housai or Vendenyev engine installations. Could someone please advise
where in
the system this thing goes and in fact what it is, in simple terms ? I
think it's just some
type
of collector with a drain valve that is opened after the final flight of the
day to allow
accumulated
oil frothing stuff a convenient way out of the system. Close? Thanks..
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
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| Subject: | Compressed water and the SNOT BOTTLE |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
David;
The act of compressing air causes water to be squeezed out and deposited
in the pressurized side of the air system. The "SNOT BOTTLE" is placed
at a low point in the air system to accumulate water squeezed out during
air compression.
Preferrably, at the end of a flight, you open the "SNOT BOTTLE" to let
the accumulated moisture drain out. Either that or it gets into the air
system and starts to corrode vital system components.
Frank
YAK-52
N911OM
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Reynolds
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gary Reynolds
--> <gary.reynolds@hills.com.au>
Correct & i drain it after every flight
Gary Reynolds
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Basically correct. It is the first device on the output side of the
compressor and is an air/oil separator. It's purpose is to remove as
much moisture and oil as possible as the pneumatic system tank is
replenished. The term "snot" is used because it resembles snot when it
hits the ground after you open the bottle and drain it. Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
>
> Slobber, snot or worse. I think I've heard them all used in reference
> to a
discharge device
> on the Housai or Vendenyev engine installations. Could someone please
advise where in
> the system this thing goes and in fact what it is, in simple terms ?
> I
think it's just some
> type
> of collector with a drain valve that is opened after the final flight
> of
the day to allow
> accumulated
> oil frothing stuff a convenient way out of the system. Close? Thanks..
>
> David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> Fairchild 51 early construction
>
>
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| Subject: | Formation flying at flying W NJ |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Phil Cogan" <zeromold@earthlink.net>
I signed up to fly Young Beagles on Saturday morning.
Phil
Did anyone respond yet?
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Mortara
Subject: Yak-List: Formation flying at flying W NJ
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
Any on interested in joining us on Sunday doing some formation Flying W N14
meet 9:00
We have 2 CJ's 1 Yak and 1 T-6
rob
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