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1. 12:59 AM - Sukhoi snot valve hose (Rob Kent)
2. 01:08 AM - (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
3. 04:01 AM - IFR CJ's (cpayne@joimail.com)
4. 04:24 AM - Re: Desser Tires (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 04:41 AM - Re: (Gus Fraser)
6. 07:29 AM - tires (jay reiter)
7. 07:36 AM - Re: FAST clinics (Bob Monzo)
8. 07:45 AM - Re: tires (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 08:01 AM - Re: tires (Ernie Martinez)
10. 08:05 AM - Re: tires (Bob Monzo)
11. 08:09 AM - Re: tires (A. Dennis Savarese)
12. 08:16 AM - Re: tires (Sam Sax)
13. 08:26 AM - Re: tires (Bob Monzo)
14. 08:49 AM - Re: tires (Ernie Martinez)
15. 08:55 AM - Re: Coil (loop) on compressor. (Brian Lloyd)
16. 08:59 AM - Tires (Joe Howse)
17. 09:06 AM - Re: FAST clinics (Brian Lloyd)
18. 02:22 PM - Re: FAST clinics (Barry Hancock)
19. 02:26 PM - Re: tires (Richard Basiliere)
20. 08:34 PM - CIC (Barry Hancock)
21. 08:47 PM - Re: Pardon my terminology (Ron Davis)
22. 08:51 PM - Re: Re: FAST clinics (Bob Monzo)
23. 08:52 PM - Re: Pardon my terminology (Ron Davis)
24. 08:54 PM - Re: Desser Tires (Ron Davis)
25. 08:58 PM - Re: (Ron Davis)
26. 09:20 PM - CIC (Frank Haertlein)
27. 09:29 PM - "FLEX" (Frank Haertlein)
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| Subject: | Sukhoi snot valve hose |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Kent" <spares@russianaeros.com>
For all that wish to know, the part number for the Sukhoi braided snot valve
hose is 8D0.447.005-20-40. The -40 signifies a length of 40cm. The part
number for the smoke system hoses attached to the exhaust stack is the same
except for -70 instead of -40.
I currently have neither hose in stock but both types on order. If anybody
is interested email me of list and I'll give you what information I can.
Rob Kent
Stores Manager
WLAC - Russian Engineering
Tel:- +44 1628 829 165
Fax:- +44 1628 828 961
dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com
MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Agreed the 3 ship on the red star site is good but not as good as a 7 ship!! :>))
I have a 15 ship tight formation some where will try and find that and post.
Tell me why the images are doctored, has the "poster" cut and pasted to enlarge
the formation?
cheers
BTW, not every one is on ADSL the UK and those that are typically only have ADSL
speeds of 450- 500kbs approx. I know the USA speeds are typically 10 megs but
we are held back here by the "authorities" who will not give us those speeds,
I don't know why. I try and design my web site for all to view. If anyone wants
really high res pics for paper printing just say. anyway I thought that the
best res you could "see" on a PC was 75 dpi so what's the point of more?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Mark J.
Do you guys have SLOW modems in UK? Why not ship larger files for clear and
precise shots to show off the tight formation that US pilots demonstrate?
Several Yak 50 formation shots are on Redstar Pilot Assoc website that look
awesome.
Good luck.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Could you guys with IFR CJ's send me pics of your panel and
equipment lists please? I did an 1hr 15m the other day under
the hood in my CJ on a x-country. The first thing I noticed
was that the panel layout could use an overhaul and another
was that a wing leveler would really help while flipping
plates and folding charts. Perhaps a chart mount on the
side?
Prior to the flight I leveled the A/C on the jacks and
zero'd the slip/skids on the T&B and AH. During the flight
the AH was spot on with wings level. I used a garmin HSI
display for tracking the airways. An unintended consequence
was an even fuel burn due to my diligence in holding heading
and trim.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Desser Tires |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Order their recaps or have your own tires recapped. They last 3-4 times as
long as their new ones. The cost is about $55/tire. The military and the
airlines all use recaps.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Desser Tires
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Yakkers;
> I'm now thoroughly convinced Desser Tire uses too soft a compound in
> their tires. I'm really tired of paying $130 for tires that have been
> purposely designed for premature wear. There is no reason to use such a
> soft rubber compound except to promote accelerated tire wear and
> increase their profit margin at my expense. Look, I've seen high
> performance racing tires with a harder compound........and these were
> $1000 per tire! I'd like to support Desser but they better start using a
> longer lasting compound or I'll stop using their product. There are
> alternatives out there and I'll find them if I have to!
>
>
> Frank
> YAK-52
> N911OM
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Having known Mark for years, these images are not doctored. If you saw
these guys fly you would say the same thing. These pictures are down to a
couple of small things called skill and practice.
Gus
___
N52EK
It's a Russian thing
...... Original Message .......
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:08:18 +0100 "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd"
<mark.j@yakuk.com> wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd"
<mark.j@yakuk.com>
>
>Agreed the 3 ship on the red star site is good but not as good as a 7
ship!! :>)) I have a 15 ship tight formation some where will try and find
that and post.
>
>Tell me why the images are doctored, has the "poster" cut and pasted to
enlarge the formation?
>
>cheers
>
>BTW, not every one is on ADSL the UK and those that are typically only
have ADSL speeds of 450- 500kbs approx. I know the USA speeds are typically
10 megs but we are held back here by the "authorities" who will not give us
those speeds, I don't know why. I try and design my web site for all to
view. If anyone wants really high res pics for paper printing just say.
anyway I thought that the best res you could "see" on a PC was 75 dpi so
what's the point of more?
>
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
>Mark J.
>
>Do you guys have SLOW modems in UK? Why not ship larger files for clear and
>precise shots to show off the tight formation that US pilots demonstrate?
>
>Several Yak 50 formation shots are on Redstar Pilot Assoc website that look
>awesome.
>
>Good luck.
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Dennis I think you have to supply a serviceable casing.When I picked up Ron's tires
that is what they said anyway.
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
My original point is being misunderstood by Barry and in a previous
response, by Mike. As a longstanding member of the RPA going back when we
were just a club under Bud, it is my opinion that the organization's focus
has changed from a grass roots organization to a T-34/NATA wannabe warbird
association. Barry's and Mike's responses just reinforce my opinion.
I still can't understand why initial training was eliminated from the MTW
clinic. If safety at OSH is the concern, don't allow newly qualified
wingmen to participate in the large warbird shows. But don't use OSH safety
as an excuse for not providing initial training at MTW. Most FNGs would be
satisfied to receive some initial training at MTW for a couple of days and
then move on to simply enjoy the OSH experience without flying in the
warbird shows.
The RPA is conveying the perception that it is more important to use the MTW
clinic so that we can have SH formations at OSH than to use some of the MTW
resources to provide initial training to our members. I know training may
be available elsewhere. But, the MTW clinic is one of the organization's
main events due to its almost central location and proximity to OSH which
draws our members anyway. Not to provide initial training at one of the
organization's main events does not serve the greater needs the members.
Bob M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Yak-List: FAST clinics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> > In my mind, this is exemplified by
> > the decision a couple of years ago to exclude FNGs from training at
> > MTW. A
> > few years ago, I showed up at MTW and was provided with wonderful
> > formation
> > training by numerous folks. Now, that is no longer available.
>
> That training is still available, just not at MTW. In fact, there are
> more association FAST clinics now than ever before. Just a few short
> years ago there were *only* the clinics at MTW and SnF, and the Fred
> Ihlenburg event. If there is not a clinic established in your region
> now, as Mike said, contact your Regional Coordinator and work with him
> to establish one. This association, and any other warbird association,
> is not AOPA or EAA where they have full time people to put on events
> for us. We have to go out and make it happen. That's why this
> association is growing and developing more events...members are taking
> the initiative. The Regional Coordinator concept is directly
> responsible for this. For example, I'm the Western Regional
> Coordinator, I help put on All Red Star and one (hopefully two now) ACM
> events a year. If I had 10 or even 5 members contact me and say "we
> need a FAST only clinic" I would:
>
> 1) Put on my yellow hard hat and get to work.
> 2) Enlist those that want the clinic to help me with organization
> (i.e. find a location and talk with the airport manager, arrange
> hotels, etc.)
>
> None of this is magic, none of this is difficult...it is only very time
> consuming. Division of labor is only appropriate in a volunteer
> organization, right?
>
> There is another reason that there is no longer FAST training at SnF
> and OSH. Not only is it logistically difficult/nearly impossible to
> try to effectively run FAST training for Nuggets (and the inherent
> subconscious push to get patched so they *can* fly in the show) *and*
> get mass formation training done, but there seems to be a real lack of
> consideration for just how complicated and potentially dangerous mass
> formation flying is, even if you're the only mass formation in the sky.
> Then throw in 3 other mass formations intentionally criss-crossing each
> other's path at 500ft. separations (less if you consider the stack
> down), and now you have the very real potential for disaster. Radio
> discipline, comm out procedures, emergency considerations...and above
> all, good Situational Awareness are crucial to safe ops in the air show
> environment. It is one thing to be in a 4-ship doing fly-bys at your
> local show. It is another thing to be #10 flying off your flight lead
> with another flight lead at your 8 o'clock - in dirty air no less - and
> the T-28's whizzing underneath you in the *opposite* direction. A
> mishap at one of these shows has the potential to involve literally
> thousands of people.
>
> This brings me back to the earlier discussion about "looking good". A
> Sierra Hotel looking formation is, above all, safe. If everyone is
> doing a good job of station keeping, not only is it going to look good,
> but no stray airplanes means no one is in any jeopardy. Everyone can
> relax and concentrate on just flying their airplane. You start getting
> guys straying from their positions too far, and now others in the
> flight have to start worrying about not only their own airplane (or in
> the case of leads, airplanes), but also the dude who keeps invading
> their space.
>
> This isn't to say that OSH or SnF shouldn't be your first show, but a
> freshly patched pilot doesn't generally have the same SA that he/she
> will after another 10-20 hours of 4-ship flying. That being said, the
> way things are now you can be a freshly patched Wing and show up for
> the mass formation practice prior to the show and build in that comfort
> level. Something worth considering before entering waivered airspace
> with 100+ other airplanes in close proximity to 10's of thousands of
> people.
>
> OK, I'm done opining for awhile.....
>
> FWIW,
>
> B
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Yes, you are correct. When I called two weeks ago to try and purchase 4
recaps, they had 2 in stock; one was an original Russian casing and one was
their casing. I guess having them in stock is rare. We now purchase the
first set of new tires from Desser, then we rotate the casings back for
retreading. I think using your own known-good casings is always a benefit.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Subject: Yak-List: tires
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
>
> Dennis I think you have to supply a serviceable casing.When I picked up
Ron's tires that is what they said anyway.
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Will Desser re-tread Russian tires????
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: tires
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Yes, you are correct. When I called two weeks ago to try and purchase 4
recaps, they had 2 in stock; one was an original Russian casing and one
was
their casing. I guess having them in stock is rare. We now purchase
the
first set of new tires from Desser, then we rotate the casings back for
retreading. I think using your own known-good casings is always a
benefit.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Subject: Yak-List: tires
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
>
> Dennis I think you have to supply a serviceable casing.When I picked
up
Ron's tires that is what they said anyway.
>
>
==
==
==
==
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
The new tires I purchased from Desser a couple of years ago were 1 in.
narrower than the original Russian tires. I noticed increased tire
shake/vibration with the narrower and probably lighter Dessers. I believe
the best option is the Russian cores recapped by Desser.
Bob M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: tires
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Yes, you are correct. When I called two weeks ago to try and purchase 4
> recaps, they had 2 in stock; one was an original Russian casing and one
was
> their casing. I guess having them in stock is rare. We now purchase the
> first set of new tires from Desser, then we rotate the casings back for
> retreading. I think using your own known-good casings is always a
benefit.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: tires
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
> >
> > Dennis I think you have to supply a serviceable casing.When I picked up
> Ron's tires that is what they said anyway.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Yes, as long as the casings are not weather checked or cracked on the side
walls. I believe on their web site they explain what casings are acceptable
for retreading.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: tires
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Will Desser re-tread Russian tires????
>
> Ernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: tires
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Yes, you are correct. When I called two weeks ago to try and purchase 4
> recaps, they had 2 in stock; one was an original Russian casing and one
> was
> their casing. I guess having them in stock is rare. We now purchase
> the
> first set of new tires from Desser, then we rotate the casings back for
> retreading. I think using your own known-good casings is always a
> benefit.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: tires
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
> >
> > Dennis I think you have to supply a serviceable casing.When I picked
> up
> Ron's tires that is what they said anyway.
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
This is an important point (serviceable tires). Desser will not retreat
cores with sidewall cracks (aging) or with cord showing (or any other
damage.
Dennis's point is on the money (literally...) - you save $$ by buying a new
set and rotating it for a retreading that is made out of harder rubber and
lasts longer. They will retread Russian or Chinese cores as well (so long
cores are in good condition).
Sam Sax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jay reiter
Subject: Yak-List: tires
--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Dennis I think you have to supply a serviceable casing.When I picked up
Ron's tires that is what they said anyway.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
They did mine. Twice so far. Bob M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: tires
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Will Desser re-tread Russian tires????
>
> Ernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: tires
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Yes, you are correct. When I called two weeks ago to try and purchase 4
> recaps, they had 2 in stock; one was an original Russian casing and one
> was
> their casing. I guess having them in stock is rare. We now purchase
> the
> first set of new tires from Desser, then we rotate the casings back for
> retreading. I think using your own known-good casings is always a
> benefit.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: tires
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
> >
> > Dennis I think you have to supply a serviceable casing.When I picked
> up
> Ron's tires that is what they said anyway.
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I was wondering if they could re-cap My L-29 Tires
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Monzo
Subject: Re: Yak-List: tires
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
They did mine. Twice so far. Bob M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: tires
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Will Desser re-tread Russian tires????
>
> Ernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: tires
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Yes, you are correct. When I called two weeks ago to try and purchase
4
> recaps, they had 2 in stock; one was an original Russian casing and
one
> was
> their casing. I guess having them in stock is rare. We now purchase
> the
> first set of new tires from Desser, then we rotate the casings back
for
> retreading. I think using your own known-good casings is always a
> benefit.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: tires
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
> >
> > Dennis I think you have to supply a serviceable casing.When I picked
> up
> Ron's tires that is what they said anyway.
> >
> >
>
>
> ==
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: Coil (loop) on compressor. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Bryan;
>
> You said "Actually, the coil is an attempt to make a condenser coil to
> condense the water out of the compressed air........"
>
> Then explain why there is a coil going into both the main and emergency
> air bottles?
Is there? I don't remember there being coils in the lines going to the bottles
in the CJ6A but I haven't looked at one for a couple of years. There does need
to be some kind of flex built in there so that the line may be pushed aside
to get the bottles out.
But if it is that important to you I will happily and readily admit that I am wrong.
The coil couldn't possibly have a condenser function. I should know better
than to repeat what I had been taught given that precious few people actually
know why anything was done in these aircraft.
Frankly, concluding that it may have several functions seems sensible but I concede
that you know more than I do about this.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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1.0 FAKE_HELO_SHAW_CA Host HELO did not match rDNS": shaw.ca@matronics.com
--> Yak-List message posted by: Joe Howse <joeh@shaw.ca>
Yakkers
I have new Chinese main gear tires for 80.00.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Bob Monzo wrote:
> I still can't understand why initial training was eliminated from the MTW
> clinic.
My guess is that there simply aren't enough IPs. It took me a lot of work to get
my wing and lead certs since there just weren't enough IPs to fly in my back
seat. That is why I spent more time flying with the CAF/TRARON/NATA folks than
with the YPA folks. They had more people to provide training and I could
get more hops in a day.
But all that aside, since there are limited numbers of IPs, they want to "spend"
them on large formation training at MTW for OSH. Most of the IPs want to fly
their own airplanes and not ride in someone's back seat too.
So, no, I don't think Barry and Mike are trying to be exclusive. I think they
are trying to allocate a scarce resource for this one event.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> Monzo wrote:
> My original point is being misunderstood by Barry and in a previous
> response, by Mike. As a longstanding member of the RPA going back
> when we
> were just a club under Bud, it is my opinion that the organization's
> focus
> has changed from a grass roots organization to a T-34/NATA wannabe
> warbird
> association.
Didn't miss that at all. Are you suggesting that the membership does
not want a first rate/professional/respected organization? Grass roots
is great when grass roots is what is needed. However, once the grass
has grown you need to manicure it and take care of it. We are not a
'wanna be' anything, my friend, we *are* a warbird association. I
appreciate the grass roots...that's how All Red Star started and it is
still very much a grass roots effort today. While there is certainly
something to be said for the beginnings, evolution and progress make
the association grow and prosper. One thing to consider is that a more
professional/larger/more active association means more power in dealing
with the FAA and insurance companies. I think we all want *that*.
> Barry's and Mike's responses just reinforce my opinion.
Well, I only disagree in that the *focus* has never been a grass roots
organization. They all start that way out of necessity. But then
again, I'm sure the EAA heard the same responses in its early days...
>
> I still can't understand why initial training was eliminated from the
> MTW
> clinic. If safety at OSH is the concern, don't allow newly qualified
> wingmen to participate in the large warbird shows. But don't use OSH
> safety
> as an excuse for not providing initial training at MTW. Most FNGs
> would be
> satisfied to receive some initial training at MTW for a couple of days
> and
> then move on to simply enjoy the OSH experience without flying in the
> warbird shows.
As Brian has said, the problem here is there simply isn't enough time
or resources to do both well. You can't take two or three days and
adequately do both initial training and mass form training. So do we
want to do a less than stellar job at both? This has frankly been the
case in the past (no disrespect to anyone) Or focus on what our
resources allow us to focus on and do the most important thing under
the circumstances...which is to dedicate adequate time to putting up SH
(and therefore inherently safe) formations for the show....and support
the organization that supports all of us, the EAA. If you're an
FNG...come early and *participate* in the mass form practices!!!!! I
still scratch my head as to why most people's first experience with
form flying is at the controls. Go up in the back seats and learn by
watching.....much more productive to the learning process than being
overwhelmed with a thousand different things that you've never seen
before. Besides, you're flight suits will stay clean longer... :)
Just because we aren't having a FAST clinic, doesn't by any means say
that those interested in formation training can't show up, attend the
briefings, fly the practices in back seats, and then go to the show and
critique from the ground! We all need more people to tell us that
we're sucked anyway....
>
> The RPA is conveying the perception that it is more important to use
> the MTW
> clinic so that we can have SH formations at OSH than to use some of
> the MTW
> resources to provide initial training to our members. I know training
> may
> be available elsewhere. But, the MTW clinic is one of the
> organization's
> main events due to its almost central location and proximity to OSH
> which
> draws our members anyway. Not to provide initial training at one of
> the
> organization's main events does not serve the greater needs the
> members.
You can do one of two things, Bob. Either recruit enough resources at
OSH to *effectively* provide both, or contact your RC and help him get
a dedicated clinic going in your area.
I gotta tell y'all (like you needed to hear it from me!)...associations
like ours live and die by the volunteer effort of its members. Idle
belly aching without proactive support does nothing to further the
cause.
Barry (nay-sayers suck) Hancock
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
BTW, I believe they told me they would re-tread only once.
>>> cd001633@mindspring.com 6/11/2004 9:15:28 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
This is an important point (serviceable tires). Desser will not
retreat
cores with sidewall cracks (aging) or with cord showing (or any other
damage.
Dennis's point is on the money (literally...) - you save $$ by buying a
new
set and rotating it for a retreading that is made out of harder rubber
and
lasts longer. They will retread Russian or Chinese cores as well (so
long
cores are in good condition).
Sam Sax
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jay reiter
Subject: Yak-List: tires
--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Dennis I think you have to supply a serviceable casing.When I picked
up
Ron's tires that is what they said anyway.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
We used to joke in tennis that John McEnroe had more talent in the end
of his pinky than the rest of us had in our entire bodies.
I pray that I can live my life with as much dignity as Ronald Wilson
Reagan had in his pinky.
Never thought of it until today, but without Reagan, we very well may
not be enjoying our wonderful aircraft today. 'Tis but a sliver of his
legacy....
May we live to see another leader with as much greatness leading this
great nation.
Next year's missing man formation at All Red Star....is for the Gipper.
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Pardon my terminology |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Could you elaborate on how a coil tames a pressure spike?
I've seen orifices used for that, and mechanical damperners, and a larger
pipe inline or teed off the main line (usually for liquids), but haven't
seen an application or theory of a coil used in that capacity.
A piston pump moving liquids needs something to moderate the pulses, but it
isn't common to be concerned about them in compressors.
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
Barry:
You seem to be hypersensitive to this issue. The organization is changing.
Your pontifications do not necessarily mean the changes are in the best
interest of the membership. It is my opinion these changes are not in the
best interest of the membership. I'm just speaking from my experience, the
large warbird organizations are not the end all. As a dues paying member, I
believe I am entitled to my opinion. It does appear as if we must just
agree to disagree on this one. The membership will make its own judgments
each year at renewal time. If members feel they are represented by the RPA
they will renew year after year. Otherwise, membership will decrease. Time
will tell.
Fly safely,
Bob M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: FAST clinics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> > Monzo wrote:
>
>
> > My original point is being misunderstood by Barry and in a previous
> > response, by Mike. As a longstanding member of the RPA going back
> > when we
> > were just a club under Bud, it is my opinion that the organization's
> > focus
> > has changed from a grass roots organization to a T-34/NATA wannabe
> > warbird
> > association.
>
> Didn't miss that at all. Are you suggesting that the membership does
> not want a first rate/professional/respected organization? Grass roots
> is great when grass roots is what is needed. However, once the grass
> has grown you need to manicure it and take care of it. We are not a
> 'wanna be' anything, my friend, we *are* a warbird association. I
> appreciate the grass roots...that's how All Red Star started and it is
> still very much a grass roots effort today. While there is certainly
> something to be said for the beginnings, evolution and progress make
> the association grow and prosper. One thing to consider is that a more
> professional/larger/more active association means more power in dealing
> with the FAA and insurance companies. I think we all want *that*.
>
> > Barry's and Mike's responses just reinforce my opinion.
>
> Well, I only disagree in that the *focus* has never been a grass roots
> organization. They all start that way out of necessity. But then
> again, I'm sure the EAA heard the same responses in its early days...
> >
> > I still can't understand why initial training was eliminated from the
> > MTW
> > clinic. If safety at OSH is the concern, don't allow newly qualified
> > wingmen to participate in the large warbird shows. But don't use OSH
> > safety
> > as an excuse for not providing initial training at MTW. Most FNGs
> > would be
> > satisfied to receive some initial training at MTW for a couple of days
> > and
> > then move on to simply enjoy the OSH experience without flying in the
> > warbird shows.
>
> As Brian has said, the problem here is there simply isn't enough time
> or resources to do both well. You can't take two or three days and
> adequately do both initial training and mass form training. So do we
> want to do a less than stellar job at both? This has frankly been the
> case in the past (no disrespect to anyone) Or focus on what our
> resources allow us to focus on and do the most important thing under
> the circumstances...which is to dedicate adequate time to putting up SH
> (and therefore inherently safe) formations for the show....and support
> the organization that supports all of us, the EAA. If you're an
> FNG...come early and *participate* in the mass form practices!!!!! I
> still scratch my head as to why most people's first experience with
> form flying is at the controls. Go up in the back seats and learn by
> watching.....much more productive to the learning process than being
> overwhelmed with a thousand different things that you've never seen
> before. Besides, you're flight suits will stay clean longer... :)
> Just because we aren't having a FAST clinic, doesn't by any means say
> that those interested in formation training can't show up, attend the
> briefings, fly the practices in back seats, and then go to the show and
> critique from the ground! We all need more people to tell us that
> we're sucked anyway....
> >
> > The RPA is conveying the perception that it is more important to use
> > the MTW
> > clinic so that we can have SH formations at OSH than to use some of
> > the MTW
> > resources to provide initial training to our members. I know training
> > may
> > be available elsewhere. But, the MTW clinic is one of the
> > organization's
> > main events due to its almost central location and proximity to OSH
> > which
> > draws our members anyway. Not to provide initial training at one of
> > the
> > organization's main events does not serve the greater needs the
> > members.
>
> You can do one of two things, Bob. Either recruit enough resources at
> OSH to *effectively* provide both, or contact your RC and help him get
> a dedicated clinic going in your area.
>
> I gotta tell y'all (like you needed to hear it from me!)...associations
> like ours live and die by the volunteer effort of its members. Idle
> belly aching without proactive support does nothing to further the
> cause.
>
> Barry (nay-sayers suck) Hancock
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pardon my terminology |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
In my experience it works the other way too: At least 1% of the things you
evaluate away as "not a factor" turn out to have a deleterious effect on
performance or a failure mode that is significant. That's why there are
prototypes.
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| Subject: | Re: Desser Tires |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Softer rubber gives better traction, maybe they think you need the traction
for uh... towing? cornering ability???
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Does Lucas make your modems over there? I used to have a British Leyland
car and formed some strong opinions about Lucas.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Barry said...........
"Never thought of it until today, but without Reagan, we very well may
not be enjoying our wonderful aircraft today".
Barry, the very same thought crossed my mind today. I would much rather
be on good terms with our former enemy. Owning a YAK-52 since 2001, I've
come to develop allot of respect for our former enemies. And thank God
they're "FORMER" enemies. I would much rather have them as friends!
I figure owning and maintaining my 52 contributes whatever little to
their economy. I see it as doing my part in supporting our new friends.
In my heart of hearts I truly want that friendship to succeed.
Frank
YAK-52
N911OM
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: CIC
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
We used to joke in tennis that John McEnroe had more talent in the end
of his pinky than the rest of us had in our entire bodies.
I pray that I can live my life with as much dignity as Ronald Wilson
Reagan had in his pinky.
Never thought of it until today, but without Reagan, we very well may
not be enjoying our wonderful aircraft today. 'Tis but a sliver of his
legacy....
May we live to see another leader with as much greatness leading this
great nation.
Next year's missing man formation at All Red Star....is for the Gipper.
Barry
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Ron;
Imagine an air tube run straight from the pump to the firewall. It would
be very stiff and have no "give". It would soon fail under engine
vibration. The loop has a little "give" or "spring" to it and thus is
much more able to absorb vibration without cracking. The alternative to
the loop is a "flex" line as in the Sukoy.
Frank
N911OM
YAK-52
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Could you elaborate on how a coil tames a pressure spike?
I've seen orifices used for that, and mechanical damperners, and a
larger pipe inline or teed off the main line (usually for liquids), but
haven't seen an application or theory of a coil used in that capacity.
A piston pump moving liquids needs something to moderate the pulses, but
it isn't common to be concerned about them in compressors.
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