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1. 12:59 AM - doctered formation picture (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
2. 03:01 AM - Re : Yak List. (egon)
3. 05:54 AM - Re: Pardon my terminology (Brian Lloyd)
4. 06:41 AM - By popular demand !!!! (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
5. 07:13 AM - Nanchang 285hp Ignition noise in intercom (Kelley Monroe)
6. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: FAST clinics (Barry Hancock)
7. 08:57 AM - Re: Pardon my terminology (jay reiter)
8. 09:01 AM - Doctored formation picture of THREE Yak 50's - MUST READ (Mark Schrick)
9. 10:50 AM - Desser Tire wear.....Reply from the VP of Desser Tire to Frank's comments (Mark Schrick)
10. 11:30 AM - Desser Tire & Tubes (cpayne@joimail.com)
11. 11:41 AM - pix (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
12. 12:38 PM - Re: Desser Tire & Tubes (Mark Schrick)
13. 02:29 PM - Fw: CJ main tires (jay reiter)
14. 04:32 PM - Red Stars Organization (Frank Haertlein)
15. 04:44 PM - Re: Bitch & Gripe (cpayne@joimail.com)
16. 06:01 PM - 52td (Barry Hancock)
17. 06:54 PM - Tom Elliot (Walt Lannon)
18. 07:38 PM - Re: Re : Yak List. (N13472@aol.com)
19. 07:39 PM - FAST clinics (MFilucci@aol.com)
20. 09:22 PM - Who are you calling boys and girls? (Barry Hancock)
21. 09:35 PM - Re: FAST clinics (Bob Monzo)
22. 09:54 PM - Gipper Flight (Jeff Linebaugh)
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| Subject: | doctered formation picture |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Gus, the doctored pictures of the USA YAK formation team on RPA are IMG_2439.jpg
or Hitman-Freezer-Frosty-1.jpg on the RPA site under yakovlev, it appears to
me that Mr Lloyd has been cut and pasted closer to the leader, look at the leaders
wing tips and tail wheel. This is the boundary of the cut n past. If it
was not for the high res picture no one would have known!! I did not do this or
post it. That would be yet another bit of software to learn to use, such a bore........
cheers, MJ
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Having known Mark for years, these images are not doctored. If you saw
these guys fly you would say the same thing. These pictures are down to a
couple of small things called skill and practice.
Gus
___
N52EK
It's a Russian thing
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "egon" <egon@hinet.net.au>
Hey Ron... Here in OZ Lucas is known as "The Prince Of Darkness"
Rgds.
Egon.
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| Subject: | Re: Pardon my terminology |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Ron Davis wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> Could you elaborate on how a coil tames a pressure spike?
Yes. When you coil a tube you reduce its volume slightly. When the pressure spike
occurs the tube straightens and expands slightly, increasing the volume and
absorbing the spike to some extent. This is more of an issue with incompressible
fluids where a tiny change in volume will result in a huge change in pressure.
This characteristic is also used in pressure gauges. The Bourdon tube pressure
gauge has a coiled up tube that is sealed on one end with the pressure admitted
to the other. A mechanical linkage measure the degree of "uncurling" and transfers
it to the indicator.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | By popular demand !!!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
By popular demand the YAK-52TD page as now been updated with lots of pix taken this morning by Mike Jorgen, Ex NZ a/f, current RAF pilot. http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp
Camera ship was a jet ranger.
Cheers, MJ
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| Subject: | Nanchang 285hp Ignition noise in intercom |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kelley Monroe" <kelmonroe@comcast.net>
I have developed an ignition noise in my intercom. The noise is on both mags and
the engine is running great. The noise is worst between 900 and 1400 rpms.
Above 1400 rpms its only a tic tic tic. The noise is only on the intercom (PSE
pm501) not on the com. I have cleaned and tested the plugs and inspected
the harness. I have checked both mag switches. I have no mag testing equipment.
Any ideas?
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| Subject: | Re: Re: FAST clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
>
> Barry:
>
> You seem to be hypersensitive to this issue.
LOL! A little civil discourse and all of the sudden I'm
"hypersensitive to the issue." Sure is a sign of our times when
someone doesn't give the answer hoped for it gets taken to a personal
level. <sigh>
The only thing I was doing was to point out there are reasons for the
things that were being complained about. Let me just say
again....there is no reason you cannot come to MTW and fly in back
seats. Really that is the best introductory training you can get. If
you are past that point, again, contact your RC and get something
going. There is nothing stopping the RPA from having a FAST clinic at
MTW or SnF other than resources to meet the objectives. If the members
want a FAST clinic at these venues, then the *members* need to
contribute by volunteering their time, effort, and energy to getting it
done. This is the third time I've said this now, so hopefully
repetition breeds understanding.
Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions. However, complaining
without solutions and contributions is of little value to anyone. Now
THAT is what I'm hypersensitive to...because I understand the literally
1000's of *volunteer* hours that go into this association by a scarce
few folks. It is not fair nor productive to sit idly by while others
work their tails off FOR YOUR BENEFIT, and then criticize without
having lifted a finger to contribute to the effort.
Enough's, enough. I'm headed out to the airport to go fly with 3
Yak-52's and 4 Target-34's....it's actually nice to fly with these
guys. I get to pull the power WAAAAAAY back.... ;)-
Barry
Barry Hancock
Western Regional Coordinator
RedStar Pilots Association
(949) 300-5510
www.flyredstar.org
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Re: Pardon my terminology |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Any man that has spent a short time in the hydraulic compartment of a CV880
after pressure is applied will understand Brian's explanation perfectly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brianl@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
> Ron Davis wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Could you elaborate on how a coil tames a pressure spike?
>
> Yes. When you coil a tube you reduce its volume slightly. When the
pressure spike occurs the tube straightens and expands slightly, increasing
the volume and absorbing the spike to some extent. This is more of an issue
with incompressible fluids where a tiny change in volume will result in a
huge change in pressure.
>
> This characteristic is also used in pressure gauges. The Bourdon tube
pressure gauge has a coiled up tube that is sealed on one end with the
pressure admitted to the other. A mechanical linkage measure the degree of
"uncurling" and transfers it to the indicator.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
>
> There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
> A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
>
>
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| Subject: | Doctored formation picture of THREE Yak 50's - MUST READ |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Mark Jefferies, Mark Jefferies, Mark Jefferies.......... What are you smoking
my friend in the UK?
The pictures ARE NOT doctored. What you see in the Hi-res photo is ME taking a
picture of a 13 x 19 picture of the formation picture so I could have it
digitized for the RPA gallery. I do not have that size of a scanner. It was
taken by a gentleman with a very expensive camera and telephoto lens at the
Watsonville Airshow at the end of May. If you look closely, that is my carpet
in my living room on the top edges.
The same photographer was at All Redstar shooting shots from the ground with
the same effect. I have all the photographs. Many people saw and meet him at
All Redstar and loved his work.
The guys flying the formation were Lead: John "Hitman" Hilterman, #2 Michael
"Freezer" Lloyd and #3 Keith "Frosty" Frost. I was to fly #4 that day but flew
a camper to the show with the family. They did the pass to rub it in to me not
flying that weekend. They did two great passes and the crowd loved the tight
formation and sound of the Russian engines. They continued to an area south
and fought ACM all day long. Great time was had by all.
If you see these guys fly you will know that they do not need special effects
to fly great formation just THOUSNADS of DOLLARS of GAS and TIME and SKILL as
they are professional in everything they do. People outside of Europe can have
formation skills. Aerostars do an excellent job and I would say is one of the
top formation acts in the world. But these guys fly great formation for one
reason. As Cary "Motto" Venden stated so elegantly at All Redstar last year
"Formation is what you do to get to the fight (ACM). That is when the real
flying begins."
All in fun, we as RPA members need to continue to expand FAST Formation
training in order to continue to gain respect in the EAA Warbird community.
Keep burning the GAS guys.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email schrick@pacbell.net
Website www.YAKDRIVER.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Jefferies YAK
UK Ltd
Subject: Yak-List: doctered formation picture
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Gus, the doctored pictures of the USA YAK formation team on RPA are
IMG_2439.jpg or Hitman-Freezer-Frosty-1.jpg on the RPA site under yakovlev, it
appears to me that Mr Lloyd has been cut and pasted closer to the leader, look
at the leaders wing tips and tail wheel. This is the boundary of the cut n
past. If it was not for the high res picture no one would have known!! I did
not do this or post it. That would be yet another bit of software to learn to
use, such a bore........
cheers, MJ
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Having known Mark for years, these images are not doctored. If you saw
these guys fly you would say the same thing. These pictures are down to
a
couple of small things called skill and practice.
Gus
___
N52EK
It's a Russian thing
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| Subject: | Desser Tire wear.....Reply from the VP of Desser Tire to Frank's |
comments
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Dear Yakkers,
I have a close relationship with the VP at Desser Tire and know the President
and owner personally.
Here are the comments that were forwarded from Desser in response from Frank's
email on the "premature wear" of the tires.
******************************************************************************
******************************************************************************
*********************************
Desser's Response:
Mark,
Designed for premature wear? How about a landing gear and brake system that
was designed in an era devoid of electricity, now that may have something to
do with the wear.
LET AIRCRAFT (Wilga's and Zlin's) owners don't complain of assumed increased
wear (on the same exact tire), nor do the Europeans who use them on Yaks. Try
using the Russian rubber tires and
get any life wear on concrete runways with their tires.
Desser invested thousands ($35K+) for each mold (3), had several engineers
design the tires, and market them to all the YAK guys by request per my
friend, Mark Schrick. There is very slim profit here if any at all. Desser
could just raise the price so we can at least recover the NRE for the tooling
on these RUSSIAN sellers. A fair price of $200 per tire could help us have a
fair market value per the current volume if that is what is needed. We sell
very little compared to the rest of the aviation fleet of tires for normal US
based aircraft. I did this as a favor to a friend and to help the YAK
community over 8 years ago. It is more of a service than a business at this
point. I truly enjoy seeing and being around the YAK guys and think the planes
are great. I just find it very difficult hearing this type of comments when
people only look at one side of the issue. Feel free to make your own tires or
use the Russian tire that last 1/3 the life of our USA rubber tires. The
re-caps do last 3-4 times longer and are very popular among Yak/CJ6 owners.
Frank needs to look into his own reality. I can make a much higher compound
tire if he wishes to fund the project. The rubber compound is the same we used
on the same brand tire for US aircraft we sell. No special formula to increase
tire wear as stated in the email.
Mark, I hope you can help and explain what the other side feels like.
Thank you for the continued help and support.
Regards,
K
******************************************************************************
******************************************************************************
*********************************
I think we should really THANK DESSER TIRE for helping this community or we
could be changing tires every 20th landing due to Russian or Chinese tires
made for grass strips.
Something to think about before simply complaining without thinking of both
sides.
It is easy to complain than work to fix or resolve something.
Lets make sure we work to RESOLVE issues not make issues.
Frank, I have about 50 Russian tires that I could sell for $70 each if you are
looking for an alternative tire.
My time is more important to me than the money.
Hope this helps resolve this issue permently.
I placed all responses to help answer any other questions people might have
towards re-caps or Russian cores.
Mark Schrick
Yakkers;
I'm now thoroughly convinced Desser Tire uses too soft a compound in
their tires. I'm really tired of paying $130 for tires that have been
purposely designed for premature wear. There is no reason to use such a
soft rubber compound except to promote accelerated tire wear and
increase their profit margin at my expense. Look, I've seen high
performance racing tires with a harder compound........and these were
$1000 per tire! I'd like to support Desser but they better start using a
longer lasting compound or I'll stop using their product. There are
alternatives out there and I'll find them if I have to!
Frank
YAK-52
N911OM
Have your casings retreaded by Desser. The rubber is harder, lasts longer and
is also cheaper. Moreover, Desser retreads got a thumbs up in the recent
issue of Aviation Consumer. ...Blitz
Order their recaps or have your own tires recapped. They last 3-4 times as
long as their new ones. The cost is about $55/tire. The military and
the
airlines all use recaps.
Dennis
Yes, you are correct. When I called two weeks ago to try and purchase 4
recaps, they had 2 in stock; one was an original Russian casing and one
was
their casing. I guess having them in stock is rare. We now purchase
the
first set of new tires from Desser, then we rotate the casings back for
retreading. I think using your own known-good casings is always a
benefit.
Dennis
This is an important point (serviceable tires). Desser will not retreat
cores with sidewall cracks (aging) or with cord showing (or any other
damage.
Dennis's point is on the money (literally...) - you save $$ by buying a
new
set and rotating it for a retreading that is made out of harder rubber
and
lasts longer. They will retread Russian or Chinese cores as well (so
long
cores are in good condition).
Sam Sax
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| Subject: | Desser Tire & Tubes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Mark,
Interesting reply from Desser. Lot's of attitude...the very
same kind of 'tude that I got when I raised the issue of
their oversized nosewheel tubes at SNF. They gave me plenty
of chin music when I described the safety hazard that I
experienced by using their nose wheel tube, it has a nasty
crease in it so I put the Chinese back on.
Anyway, I gave them my card and they promised a response.
That probably lasted as long as it took me to turn my back
judging by the reply. Are there other recappers in the biz
?
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
I apologise to all those concerned. When I saw the sky blue fading over the wing
tip and tail wheel it certainly looked like the boundary of a cut n paste exercise.
Perhaps it was scotch mist, that's a bit like smoke!! The tricks of electronics
strikes again.
bye chaps
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Mark Jefferies, Mark Jefferies, Mark Jefferies.......... What are you smoking
my friend in the UK?
The pictures ARE NOT doctored. What you see in the Hi-res photo is ME taking a
picture of a 13 x 19 picture of the formation picture so I could have it
digitized for the RPA gallery. I do not have that size of a scanner. It was
taken by a gentleman with a very expensive camera and telephoto lens at the
Watsonville Airshow at the end of May. If you look closely, that is my carpet
in my living room on the top edges.
The same photographer was at All Redstar shooting shots from the ground with
the same effect. I have all the photographs. Many people saw and meet him at
All Redstar and loved his work.
The guys flying the formation were Lead: John "Hitman" Hilterman, #2 Michael
"Freezer" Lloyd and #3 Keith "Frosty" Frost. I was to fly #4 that day but flew
a camper to the show with the family. They did the pass to rub it in to me not
flying that weekend. They did two great passes and the crowd loved the tight
formation and sound of the Russian engines. They continued to an area south
and fought ACM all day long. Great time was had by all.
If you see these guys fly you will know that they do not need special effects
to fly great formation just THOUSNADS of DOLLARS of GAS and TIME and SKILL as
they are professional in everything they do. People outside of Europe can have
formation skills. Aerostars do an excellent job and I would say is one of the
top formation acts in the world. But these guys fly great formation for one
reason. As Cary "Motto" Venden stated so elegantly at All Redstar last year
"Formation is what you do to get to the fight (ACM). That is when the real
flying begins."
All in fun, we as RPA members need to continue to expand FAST Formation
training in order to continue to gain respect in the EAA Warbird community.
Keep burning the GAS guys.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
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| Subject: | Desser Tire & Tubes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Craig,
The attitude is really from our side (RPA)not theirs. I do understand about
the tubes. They are not made by Desser but another company for Desser. I have
the same issue with the Yak tubes and steam length is too short on the main
tubes. We have addressed this issue before. They are working (if not already
solved) this issue.
As he did state clearly, if you find someone to invest $50,000 per mold, make
the tires and distribute to the Yak community then YES we can do it. But as
you are very aware, YAKers are frugal people and will not spend that kind of
money to design anything. We can demand but it really comes down to COST.
Any rich or wealthy YAK/CJ6 pilots who could DONATE $100,000 USD to design a
tire that will last 5 years, 5000 landings and hard breaking at a cost of $50
per tire?
I think our best option is to continue to bring issues to Desser but also show
or prove to them how to improve their current product. They have always
listened to me once I gave them solid suggestions on "How" they can solve this
issue. Not bitch and go......
For every problem there is a solution. Lets all become the solution.
It's easy to bitch and grip, it is harder to resolve an issue constructively.
If you have drawings, ideas, or solutions for the tire issue that can be
transferred into production, send them to me to give to Desser. I will help
Desser resolve any production issues relative to these current issues.
Good luck. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water......unless you have
the money to back it up.
********************************************************************
Mark Schrick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cpayne@joimail.com
Subject: Yak-List: Desser Tire & Tubes
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Mark,
Interesting reply from Desser. Lot's of attitude...the very
same kind of 'tude that I got when I raised the issue of
their oversized nosewheel tubes at SNF. They gave me plenty
of chin music when I described the safety hazard that I
experienced by using their nose wheel tube, it has a nasty
crease in it so I put the Chinese back on.
Anyway, I gave them my card and they promised a response.
That probably lasted as long as it took me to turn my back
judging by the reply. Are there other recappers in the biz
?
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Fw: CJ main tires |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Here is some information I gleaned several mouths ago--Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: jay reiter
Subject: CJ main tires
Walt and Lee,
Just got back from El Monte I completed Ron's tire change. I used my farm jack
and mallet to break the bead. The tubes from Desser fit the tire with no folds
and the steel angled stem retainer did not need to be trimmed. The main difference
between the Chinese and Desser tube is the bend radius on the stem. The
stem is 1/2 inch taller, to account for this the tube is supplied with a larger
rubber radius block for the root of the stem.
Thanks for the advice I hope this feed back is helpful to you also.
Jay Reiter.
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| Subject: | Red Stars Organization |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakinators;
Having been the president of a similar organization to Red Stars I'd
like to put in my 2 cents worth in regard to the makeup, events and
direction of the club. Keep in mind that this is my opinion but it is
based on previous experience.
The organizers of Red Stars don't make any money. The organizers of Red
Stars are "ELECTED" officials. They do what they do out of a love of
aviation. They willingly volunteer their time for the benefit of the
organization. They are trying to organize and set the direction of the
club as best they can. That Barry has asked the membership for their
inputs on what you would like to see in the club is good leadership. I
used do the same thing as part of the other organization. Keep in mind
that what brings us together is a common interest........airplanes and
flying.
The amount of work that goes into something like Red Stars you couldn't
pay someone to do...at least not without raising club dues to the point
where you would say "to hell with this".
As president of that other organization, (also an elected position) I
imposed upon myself efforts to do what was necessary to make the club
flourish, to make it interesting and enjoyable by the membership. I took
it as a personal mission to make it a success. I acted as president,
wrote the newsletter, organized the yearly events, the wife acted as
treasurer etcetera, etcetera. It turned out to be an amazing amount of
work that the general membership never really appreciated. I sense the
same thing happening here with Red Stars.
After awhile I started to get complaints from the general membership
that I wasn't training enough new guys. They treated me and other
officers of the organization like a business and "expected" no
"demanded" all manner of sacrifices towards their own self interests. In
other words, they were demanding more than I or other club officers
could reasonably supply......I was a volunteer, after all, and there was
only so much I could do. Like Red Stars, it was growing fast and getting
bigger all the time with increasing demands from the membership. Yet
here I was devoting all my free time (weekends) to training as many new
guys as possible. Frankly, there wasn't enough time in a weekend or even
multiple weekends to get everyone trained.
After awhile the membership started to complain about my efforts. Here I
was, trying my best with the limited time I had to train the membership,
organize all the activities, assist the wife as treasurer, write the
newsletter and conduct the monthly membership meetings and still some
"clicks" within the organization would complain. Frankly, they didn't
have a clue.....all they did was demand yet they would put forth no
effort themselves. Barry, most any organization is full of guys that
only "DEMAND" service yet give nothing of themselves. Get used to it.
You can't please everyone!
Instead of going out and enjoying flying, I was always training other
people or devoting literally all my time to organizational efforts for
the club. It got to the point that it wasn't any fun anymore. I quit the
organization and handed over control of the organization to the VP along
with $5000 in club funds. I washed my hands of the whole thing and said
"OK Guys, you run it then!".
I got a call some time later from the new president of the club thanking
me for the efforts I had put into founding the club and running its day
to day operations. He said "I had no idea of the time and effort you
were expending to make the club functional". In short, he, and some
others who were complaining, now realized the efforts that goes into
something like Red Stars.
As Barry will attest, I personally thanked him for the efforts that he,
Drew and multiple volunteers have put into making Red Star a success. I
know from experience what it takes and I understand how the general
membership may have little appreciation to the efforts expended to make
their experience enjoyable! That is why I personally thanked Drew and
Barry for their efforts. Just think for a moment........If Drew and
Barry suddenly quit what would become of Red Stars? Well, I'll tell
ya.......it would soon fold a fade away.
The organization is comprised of people such as yourselves and it's up
to you to voice your opinions and help guide the club in the direction
you want. Your vote, your voice and most of all your volunteering and
self sacrifice is what will help shape this organization to your wants
and desires.
Organizations like Red Stars are a great way to make new friends, enjoy
new activities and be a part of something. But it is up to the
membership to vote for their officers and respectfully voice their
opinions on what they want for the club. If you don't speak up for what
you want then you have no right to complain. Barry was asking for input
as to what the club wants. He was putting forth suggestions. Your voice
will help shape his efforts. It's as simple as that!
Respectfully
Frank "Houndog" Haertlein
YAK-52
N911OM
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Lets see now; I have purchased new tires from Desser for
years, as well tubes for both my CJ and spammers I have
owned...in addition to retreads a couple of times on
different Chinese casings. I get a bad (too big) nose tube
and I tell them about it at SNF. They laugh at me and then
claim NO ONE has ever complained about Yak tires or tubes.
I explain that it could get real ugly if I blew a nose wheel
on rollout with 5 more landing warbirds behind me and there
is an issue here of safety. I leave my card with them and
never hear any more. And that's Bitching ? My friend, I hope
it's not you behind me on that runway.
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Dude (That's what we call friends in California:),
OUTSTANDING! Now *that* is a fine looking airplane. No disrespect to
the -52TW owners, but this design doesn't look like an afterthought.
It looks like a baby Yak-11!
Now, can you get rid of the round head rivets? ;)-
How did it compare to the standard -52 in the aerobatic regime?
What are the approximate cruise figures, KTAS and KIAS (we yanks have a
hard time with that metric stuff), for say 70% and 660mm, or 74% and
700mm at 6500 MSL(approx. 2000 meters) on a standard day? You say it
was faster than a CJ...what were all the stats on that? My CJ is
faster than an L-39 too, you know....
Again, well done on a beauty of an a/c!
Barry
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Hi Tom;
I seem to have lost your email address. Would you please contact me off list. Thanks
Walt
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--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
You now know why Brits drink warm beer and eat cold food LUCAS also made
refrigerators and stoves.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 N63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
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--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 6/11/04 7:37:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
yakpilot@wideopenwest.com writes:
> I still can't understand why initial training was eliminated from the MTW
> clinic.
After several years of trying to provide FAST training and also participate
in the mass formations at S&F/OSH we came to the conclusion that we could not
do justice to both. It has nothing to do with safety, it has everything to do
with doing a professional job and providing the best possible training to the
members.
The solution, as it is being implemented this year, is to devote the S&F and
OSH fly-ins to mass formation and promote FAST training on the local, grass
roots level. S&F and OSH provide the perfect venue to practice mass formation.
The RPA is not participating in these mass formations because we want to be
like some other organization, we participate because our members want to do so.
I
can tell you from personal experience that all the pilots who fly in the
airshow environment enjoy it immensely -- some have told me that it is the
culmination of a life-long dream. Do we want to be the best mass form in the airshow
-- well, hell yes -- because our guys are proud of the aircraft they fly and
the precision with which they fly them? Where else but OSH can you fly in a
mass form and then ride down the crowd line after landing to experience the
appreciation of tens of thousands of cheering, waving airshow fans? The guys really
appreciate being a part of something very special and, in this way, they
enjoy giving back to the aviation community.
So, now that we have addressed the members' desire to fly mass formations,
how do we go about providing the best FAST training for FNGs and others? We
promote local, grass roots clinics. The advantages are:
1) pilots don't have to travel great distances and spend copious quantities
of money to get there (S&F and OSH are conveniently located for some and mighty
inconvenient for many others)
2) pilots can schedule the clinics when it is convenient for them
3) pilots are not limited to a single, annual event -- they can conduct
several clinics throughout the year
4) the clinics are devoted solely to formation training -- there is no
compromising of that effort
Time will tell if we are on the right track but, so far, the results are very
encouraging. We have already conducted more local clinics this year than in
any other previous year, and we're only halfway through June. Frankly, we have
gotten back to our grass roots with the emphasis on the local clinics.
So far this year, I have gotten positive feedback from two important sources:
the students and the instructors. In the past, the instructors have always
complained about trying to accomplish too much at S&F/OSH -- they have felt
rushed and cheated of the proper time to do the students' training properly. The
students, likewise, have felt the consequences. Not so this year.
This may turn out not to be the best solution but we will allow time to try
the program to see if it benefits our members in both the quality and the
quantity of what we can offer. If a better idea surfaces, we will look at it with
the same overriding concern -- does it provide the best benefit for our
members?
Regards,
Mike
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
I offer this for comparison....
http://www.blueangels.navy.mil/flash/themegallery.html
B
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
Mike and Barry:
Please stop taking this personally. I have nothing but respect for all past
and present YPC, YPA and RPA leaders from Bud on. Early in this exchange I
stated that I had received wonderful training as a FNG at MTW a couple of
years ago. Mike, I probably scared you so badly you've blocked the memory,
but you flew with me on three training flights. Barry, at that time, I
believe you were just short of having the required number of hours to
qualify for your Wingman's patch. That MTW clinic was a wonderful
experience for me. I was disheartened to see this opportunity eliminated.
That's why I have been vocal on this issue. I also see the RPA taking a
direction that as a member I am in disagreement. This does not mean I am an
ungrateful slacker. All organizations require input from their membership
and this is mine. Also, I have always been willing to volunteer my time and
meager talents in organizing a series of weekend formation clinics in the
Chicago area. Unfortunately, after initial discussions, none have
materialized. So, I'll put it out there one more time, any Yak/CJ pilots
interested in having one or more weekend formation clinics in the Chicago
area, please e-mail me directly.
Bob M.
P.S.-NATA is having its pre-OSH clinic at my home field (ARR). I can't wait
for that (NOT).
----- Original Message -----
From: <MFilucci@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: FAST clinics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 6/11/04 7:37:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> yakpilot@wideopenwest.com writes:
>
>
> > I still can't understand why initial training was eliminated from the
MTW
> > clinic.
>
> After several years of trying to provide FAST training and also
participate
> in the mass formations at S&F/OSH we came to the conclusion that we could
not
> do justice to both. It has nothing to do with safety, it has everything to
do
> with doing a professional job and providing the best possible training to
the
> members.
>
> The solution, as it is being implemented this year, is to devote the S&F
and
> OSH fly-ins to mass formation and promote FAST training on the local,
grass
> roots level. S&F and OSH provide the perfect venue to practice mass
formation.
> The RPA is not participating in these mass formations because we want to
be
> like some other organization, we participate because our members want to
do so. I
> can tell you from personal experience that all the pilots who fly in the
> airshow environment enjoy it immensely -- some have told me that it is the
> culmination of a life-long dream. Do we want to be the best mass form in
the airshow
> -- well, hell yes -- because our guys are proud of the aircraft they fly
and
> the precision with which they fly them? Where else but OSH can you fly in
a
> mass form and then ride down the crowd line after landing to experience
the
> appreciation of tens of thousands of cheering, waving airshow fans? The
guys really
> appreciate being a part of something very special and, in this way, they
> enjoy giving back to the aviation community.
>
> So, now that we have addressed the members' desire to fly mass formations,
> how do we go about providing the best FAST training for FNGs and others?
We
> promote local, grass roots clinics. The advantages are:
>
> 1) pilots don't have to travel great distances and spend copious
quantities
> of money to get there (S&F and OSH are conveniently located for some and
mighty
> inconvenient for many others)
> 2) pilots can schedule the clinics when it is convenient for them
> 3) pilots are not limited to a single, annual event -- they can conduct
> several clinics throughout the year
> 4) the clinics are devoted solely to formation training -- there is no
> compromising of that effort
>
> Time will tell if we are on the right track but, so far, the results are
very
> encouraging. We have already conducted more local clinics this year than
in
> any other previous year, and we're only halfway through June. Frankly, we
have
> gotten back to our grass roots with the emphasis on the local clinics.
>
> So far this year, I have gotten positive feedback from two important
sources:
> the students and the instructors. In the past, the instructors have always
> complained about trying to accomplish too much at S&F/OSH -- they have
felt
> rushed and cheated of the proper time to do the students' training
properly. The
> students, likewise, have felt the consequences. Not so this year.
>
> This may turn out not to be the best solution but we will allow time to
try
> the program to see if it benefits our members in both the quality and the
> quantity of what we can offer. If a better idea surfaces, we will look at
it with
> the same overriding concern -- does it provide the best benefit for our
> members?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jeff Linebaugh <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
Yesterday, at the Columbus fly-in we put up a missing man in honor of our former
president. It also had occurred to us that we wouldn't be flying our aircraft
if it weren't for Ronnie!
You all would have been proud.
It was an honor to serve in the military under such a fine Commander in Chief.
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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