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1. 12:50 AM - http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
2. 06:46 AM - Re: FAST clinics (Jim Griffin)
3. 08:29 AM - Re: 52td (Barry Hancock)
4. 08:31 AM - Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td (Barry Hancock)
5. 08:48 AM - Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
6. 08:51 AM - Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td (Barry Hancock)
7. 09:06 AM - Re: Dresser & RPA (Lee Taylor)
8. 09:37 AM - Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
9. 10:25 AM - Re: FAST clinics (Brian Lloyd)
10. 10:48 AM - Political rant (Was: 52td) (Brian Lloyd)
11. 02:46 PM - Chicago formation clinics (Duncan aka Russ)
12. 02:47 PM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Kendel McCarley)
13. 03:36 PM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Terry)
14. 03:52 PM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (DaBear)
15. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td (Gus Fraser)
16. 04:23 PM - Re: FAST clinics (Ernie)
17. 04:26 PM - Re: Who are you calling boys and girls? (Gus Fraser)
18. 04:28 PM - Nanchang Top Cowl (Graeme Frew)
19. 04:50 PM - Re: Nanchang Top Cowl (jay reiter)
20. 05:22 PM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (ANDREWS)
21. 05:26 PM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Brian Lloyd)
22. 05:52 PM - Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td (Ernie)
23. 05:56 PM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Ernie)
24. 06:18 PM - Re: Nanchang Top Cowl (Kendel McCarley)
25. 06:33 PM - Re: Nanchang Top Cowl (Doug Sapp)
26. 06:35 PM - Re: Nanchang Top Cowl (Doug Sapp)
27. 07:46 PM - Re: Nanchang Top Cowl (Kendel McCarley)
28. 08:47 PM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Brian Lloyd)
29. 08:52 PM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Brian Lloyd)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Hi Barry.
Yes we can get rid of the round head rivets, simple we use wings from pre
1981, they were flush riveted !! An added benefit is that these wings have a
faster roll rate.
The aircraft has much more get up and go than a stock 52, in fact it will
out run a stock Y50 but not quite out climb the Y50. The 52TD is 200KG
heavier than a 50.
The power settings you suggest are "over revving" the engine, ie to low
manifold pressure, this will cause glazing with a new engine. Basically run
the numbers the same but in actual fact if you run the manifold pressure
numbers 10% higher than RPM that's very close to recommended book settings.
So, YAK52TD speeds, 60% & 600mm you get 220-222 kph, 70% & 700mm 250-252
kph, 82% WOT 305 kph and 100% & WOT 330 kph, these speeds are 2 up on a + 20
day at 1500ft.
Its reported to me that the Aerostar TW does 315 kph flat out so luckily we
are 15 kph faster :>)) This could improve further if we get the inner gear
doors fitted and functioning properly.
I'm just about to post some more pix on the site taken by another
photographer. http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp
I raced a stock CJ that's how I say its faster but then again I know there
are "special" CJ's out there.
Best regards, Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: 52td
> Dude (That's what we call friends in California:),
>
> OUTSTANDING! Now *that* is a fine looking airplane. No disrespect to
> the -52TW owners, but this design doesn't look like an afterthought.
> It looks like a baby Yak-11!
>
> Now, can you get rid of the round head rivets? ;)-
>
> How did it compare to the standard -52 in the aerobatic regime?
>
> What are the approximate cruise figures, KTAS and KIAS (we yanks have a
> hard time with that metric stuff), for say 70% and 660mm, or 74% and
> 700mm at 6500 MSL(approx. 2000 meters) on a standard day? You say it
> was faster than a CJ...what were all the stats on that? My CJ is
> faster than an L-39 too, you know....
>
> Again, well done on a beauty of an a/c!
>
> Barry
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
I would like to back up what Mike said about the OSH training flights. You
really don't know how good you have it now with the YPA/RPA clinics.When I
got my formation qualification in a T-28 14 years ago. There were 3 people
nationwide who were authorized to do so. 2 of which charged handsomely for
there time. There were no clinics.
No flying organization offers more opportunities to become FAST qualified
than this one does. There are 2 official NATA flying events, before SNF and
before OSH. You can finish off your training and get rated at these events
but you better be pretty close to ready for a check ride or forget it.
We sort of felt our way along in formation training for many years in NATA
and many of the members were the originators of the FAST program. I have
participated in a YPA clinic as an IP in the past and I can tell you that
this organization has an outstanding system for training. It probably has
more new warbird pilots than any warbird club and has accommodated that
burden quite well.
People in the warbird community have recognized the constantly improving and
imaginative flights at OSH led by Pappy and welcome your presence there.
Having flown at OSH for 14 years, I can tell you that it is different from
other shows, and you want people in your flight who are competent and
predictable.
Your opportunities for getting rated in this club is light years ahead of
any other organization presently and you should be proud of your leaders for
making it so. They did it for the love of flying because there is certainly
no profit in it otherwise
Jim Griffin
CJ6-A,T-6D.DHC-1
----- Original Message -----
From: <MFilucci@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: FAST clinics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 6/11/04 7:37:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> yakpilot@wideopenwest.com writes:
>
>
> > I still can't understand why initial training was eliminated from the
MTW
> > clinic.
>
> After several years of trying to provide FAST training and also
participate
> in the mass formations at S&F/OSH we came to the conclusion that we could
not
> do justice to both. It has nothing to do with safety, it has everything to
do
> with doing a professional job and providing the best possible training to
the
> members.
>
> The solution, as it is being implemented this year, is to devote the S&F
and
> OSH fly-ins to mass formation and promote FAST training on the local,
grass
> roots level. S&F and OSH provide the perfect venue to practice mass
formation.
> The RPA is not participating in these mass formations because we want to
be
> like some other organization, we participate because our members want to
do so. I
> can tell you from personal experience that all the pilots who fly in the
> airshow environment enjoy it immensely -- some have told me that it is the
> culmination of a life-long dream. Do we want to be the best mass form in
the airshow
> -- well, hell yes -- because our guys are proud of the aircraft they fly
and
> the precision with which they fly them? Where else but OSH can you fly in
a
> mass form and then ride down the crowd line after landing to experience
the
> appreciation of tens of thousands of cheering, waving airshow fans? The
guys really
> appreciate being a part of something very special and, in this way, they
> enjoy giving back to the aviation community.
>
> So, now that we have addressed the members' desire to fly mass formations,
> how do we go about providing the best FAST training for FNGs and others?
We
> promote local, grass roots clinics. The advantages are:
>
> 1) pilots don't have to travel great distances and spend copious
quantities
> of money to get there (S&F and OSH are conveniently located for some and
mighty
> inconvenient for many others)
> 2) pilots can schedule the clinics when it is convenient for them
> 3) pilots are not limited to a single, annual event -- they can conduct
> several clinics throughout the year
> 4) the clinics are devoted solely to formation training -- there is no
> compromising of that effort
>
> Time will tell if we are on the right track but, so far, the results are
very
> encouraging. We have already conducted more local clinics this year than
in
> any other previous year, and we're only halfway through June. Frankly, we
have
> gotten back to our grass roots with the emphasis on the local clinics.
>
> So far this year, I have gotten positive feedback from two important
sources:
> the students and the instructors. In the past, the instructors have always
> complained about trying to accomplish too much at S&F/OSH -- they have
felt
> rushed and cheated of the proper time to do the students' training
properly. The
> students, likewise, have felt the consequences. Not so this year.
>
> This may turn out not to be the best solution but we will allow time to
try
> the program to see if it benefits our members in both the quality and the
> quantity of what we can offer. If a better idea surfaces, we will look at
it with
> the same overriding concern -- does it provide the best benefit for our
> members?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
I don't know if I could live in the UK, but otherwise you are living my
dream! Cool airplanes, grass field, fly them all. As we
affectionately say here in the states..."you suck!" :)
(code for "I'm very jealous of you, you bastard!")
B
On Jun 13, 2004, at 1:44 AM, Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd wrote:
> arh like a YAK 11, here some are side by side!!!
>
> taken last week I think at my a/f.
>
> cheers
>
> BTW, I get to fly them all :>))))))
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
> To: <mark.j@yakuk.com>
> Cc: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:58 AM
> Subject: 52td
>
>
>> Dude (That's what we call friends in California:),
>>
>> OUTSTANDING! Now *that* is a fine looking airplane. No disrespect to
>> the -52TW owners, but this design doesn't look like an afterthought.
>> It looks like a baby Yak-11!
>>
>> Now, can you get rid of the round head rivets? ;)-
>>
>> How did it compare to the standard -52 in the aerobatic regime?
>>
>> What are the approximate cruise figures, KTAS and KIAS (we yanks have
>> a
>> hard time with that metric stuff), for say 70% and 660mm, or 74% and
>> 700mm at 6500 MSL(approx. 2000 meters) on a standard day? You say it
>> was faster than a CJ...what were all the stats on that? My CJ is
>> faster than an L-39 too, you know....
>>
>> Again, well done on a beauty of an a/c!
>>
>> Barry
> <100_2609.JPG><100_2587.jpg><100_2589.jpg><100_2594.jpg><100_2595.jpg><
> 100_2597.jpg><100_2603.JPG>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Jun 13, 2004, at 12:49 AM, Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd wrote:
> Hi Barry.
>
> Yes we can get rid of the round head rivets, simple we use wings from
> pre
> 1981, they were flush riveted !! An added benefit is that these wings
> have a
> faster roll rate.
Great! Now, can you make the cockpits roomy enough to comfortably
handle a 6'2", 200 lb. guy for 2 hours?
B
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
yes, but NOT on a Russian chute, we supply nice soft leather cushions. It
has about 6 hrs fuel on board for the realy long flights !!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td
> On Jun 13, 2004, at 12:49 AM, Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd wrote:
>
> > Hi Barry.
> >
> > Yes we can get rid of the round head rivets, simple we use wings from
> > pre
> > 1981, they were flush riveted !! An added benefit is that these wings
> > have a
> > faster roll rate.
>
> Great! Now, can you make the cockpits roomy enough to comfortably
> handle a 6'2", 200 lb. guy for 2 hours?
>
> B
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Would you take my Super CJ in trade for a -52td and a -50? :)- I'll
fly 'em to all the shows and tell everyone what a great guy you are...
B
On Jun 13, 2004, at 8:48 AM, Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd wrote:
> yes, but NOT on a Russian chute, we supply nice soft leather cushions.
> It
> has about 6 hrs fuel on board for the realy long flights !!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
> To: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
> Cc: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td
>
>
>> On Jun 13, 2004, at 12:49 AM, Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Barry.
>>>
>>> Yes we can get rid of the round head rivets, simple we use wings from
>>> pre
>>> 1981, they were flush riveted !! An added benefit is that these wings
>>> have a
>>> faster roll rate.
>>
>> Great! Now, can you make the cockpits roomy enough to comfortably
>> handle a 6'2", 200 lb. guy for 2 hours?
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Dresser & RPA |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@comcast.net>
RE: Comments about Dresser, RPA, and most other benevolent organizations
I know of:
NOBODY in their right minds would work this hard or put out this much
effort if they were being paid to do so.
Lee Taylor
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
If you have a YAK52TD you would not want a 50 simple as that.
Certifying the a special CJ in Europe would be very cost prohibitive, and in
the end it would not fetch the money they go for in USA. I hear 120-130,000$
for a good one is not uncommon. In the UK you would be lucky to get 50,000$
they are not appreciated here.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td
> Would you take my Super CJ in trade for a -52td and a -50? :)- I'll
> fly 'em to all the shows and tell everyone what a great guy you are...
>
> B
> On Jun 13, 2004, at 8:48 AM, Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd wrote:
>
> > yes, but NOT on a Russian chute, we supply nice soft leather cushions.
> > It
> > has about 6 hrs fuel on board for the realy long flights !!!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
> > To: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
> > Cc: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 4:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 13, 2004, at 12:49 AM, Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Barry.
> >>>
> >>> Yes we can get rid of the round head rivets, simple we use wings from
> >>> pre
> >>> 1981, they were flush riveted !! An added benefit is that these wings
> >>> have a
> >>> faster roll rate.
> >>
> >> Great! Now, can you make the cockpits roomy enough to comfortably
> >> handle a 6'2", 200 lb. guy for 2 hours?
> >>
> >> B
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Jim Griffin wrote:
> No flying organization offers more opportunities to become FAST qualified
> than this one does. There are 2 official NATA flying events, before SNF and
> before OSH.
For left coasties there is also the CAF TRARON events in February at Riverside,
and May at Castle (the week after ARS). For someone who wants great training,
attend all three. I am quite impressed with the flight scheduling of the airboss
at TRARON. I was able to get four hops per day at Riverside, a feat no
one else has been able to equal. They have fantastic ground marshalers there
too. Lots of aircraft movement in a very short period of time. It is also a
very challenging environment for the flight lead.
If you are willing to take two back-to-back weekends, do ARS followed by TRARON
at Castle.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Barry Hancock wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> I don't know if I could live in the UK, but otherwise you are living my
> dream! Cool airplanes, grass field, fly them all. As we
> affectionately say here in the states..."you suck!" :)
> (code for "I'm very jealous of you, you bastard!")
Having flown GA in the UK (and other parts of Europe and the rest of the world)
all I can say is that we have the best flying in the world here in the USoA ...
or at least we used to. Flying around DC recently I have to say it is now
more restrictive than flying in the UK but the rest of the country is still pretty
free and open ... that is until they pop up a TFR in your way.
If you get flight following you are more likely to avoid TFRs. I missed one on
a preflight briefing and was saved by ATC notifying me that my course would take
me through a new TFR. Thank God. We used to have the freedom to just hop
in our airplanes and fly anywhere we damned well pleased whenever we pleased.
Oh yeah, we had TCAs (now Class-B), but they were never that restrictive and
they were usually designed to more-or-less accommodate GA too.
And thinking about it as I write this just makes me more and more angry. I just
received a sailing magazine which has a small article about a new Presidential
proclamation expanding the powers of the Secretary of Homeland Security to
violate rights and due process. Seems if you own a boat that is even *capable*
of getting to Cuba they can do anything they want right up to confiscating your
boat and clapping you in irons. They don't even need the pretext of probable
cause such as looking for drugs. I can see some overzealous DHS agent in
Seattle saying, "well, if he put that boat on a trailer and took it to Florida
it could get to Cuba. We've got his ass now!" I wonder how long it will be
before they notice that aircraft are legally considered "vessels" under the law?
You guys in FL watch your six, OK?
Well, George W. lost my vote with that one. Kerry is a spoiled limousine liberal
trying to be JFK. Who the hell can I vote for now?
When I was in sixth grade I won the school district's annual essay contest with
an essay entitled, "I Am Proud To Be An American." I think I need to write a
new one entitled, "I Am Ashamed To Be An American."
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Chicago formation clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
Bob M., When you get a date for a clinic, let me know, If I have the time
to give. I'll be there to Airboss.
Russ "Air Boss" Witte-Dycus
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
You're talking about TFRs to protect a President who was too much of a coward to
do more than help defend Florida thirty years ago when his country was at war,
is too afraid a terrorist might get him now, and doesn't give a damn about
negatively impacting other's livelihoods (or those who went to war in his stead).
... but I won't start in on how I really feel.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Political rant (Was: 52td)
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Barry Hancock wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> I don't know if I could live in the UK, but otherwise you are living my
> dream! Cool airplanes, grass field, fly them all. As we
> affectionately say here in the states..."you suck!" :)
> (code for "I'm very jealous of you, you bastard!")
Having flown GA in the UK (and other parts of Europe and the rest of the world)
all I can say is that we have the best flying in the world here in the USoA ...
or at least we used to. Flying around DC recently I have to say it is now
more restrictive than flying in the UK but the rest of the country is still pretty
free and open ... that is until they pop up a TFR in your way.
If you get flight following you are more likely to avoid TFRs. I missed one on
a preflight briefing and was saved by ATC notifying me that my course would take
me through a new TFR. Thank God. We used to have the freedom to just hop
in our airplanes and fly anywhere we damned well pleased whenever we pleased.
Oh yeah, we had TCAs (now Class-B), but they were never that restrictive and
they were usually designed to more-or-less accommodate GA too.
And thinking about it as I write this just makes me more and more angry. I just
received a sailing magazine which has a small article about a new Presidential
proclamation expanding the powers of the Secretary of Homeland Security to
violate rights and due process. Seems if you own a boat that is even *capable*
of getting to Cuba they can do anything they want right up to confiscating your
boat and clapping you in irons. They don't even need the pretext of probable
cause such as looking for drugs. I can see some overzealous DHS agent in
Seattle saying, "well, if he put that boat on a trailer and took it to Florida
it could get to Cuba. We've got his ass now!" I wonder how long it will be
before they notice that aircraft are legally considered "vessels" under the law?
You guys in FL watch your six, OK?
Well, George W. lost my vote with that one. Kerry is a spoiled limousine liberal
trying to be JFK. Who the hell can I vote for now?
When I was in sixth grade I won the school district's annual essay contest with
an essay entitled, "I Am Proud To Be An American." I think I need to write a
new one entitled, "I Am Ashamed To Be An American."
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
Brian,
Maybe it's time for you to research your citizenship
options elsewhere.
Terry Lewis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brianl@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Political rant (Was: 52td)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
> Barry Hancock wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> >
> > I don't know if I could live in the UK, but otherwise you are living my
> > dream! Cool airplanes, grass field, fly them all. As we
> > affectionately say here in the states..."you suck!" :)
> > (code for "I'm very jealous of you, you bastard!")
>
> Having flown GA in the UK (and other parts of Europe and the rest of the
world) all I can say is that we have the best flying in the world here in
the USoA ... or at least we used to. Flying around DC recently I have to
say it is now more restrictive than flying in the UK but the rest of the
country is still pretty free and open ... that is until they pop up a TFR in
your way.
>
> If you get flight following you are more likely to avoid TFRs. I missed
one on a preflight briefing and was saved by ATC notifying me that my course
would take me through a new TFR. Thank God. We used to have the freedom to
just hop in our airplanes and fly anywhere we damned well pleased whenever
we pleased. Oh yeah, we had TCAs (now Class-B), but they were never that
restrictive and they were usually designed to more-or-less accommodate GA
too.
>
> And thinking about it as I write this just makes me more and more angry.
I just received a sailing magazine which has a small article about a new
Presidential proclamation expanding the powers of the Secretary of Homeland
Security to violate rights and due process. Seems if you own a boat that is
even *capable* of getting to Cuba they can do anything they want right up to
confiscating your boat and clapping you in irons. They don't even need the
pretext of probable cause such as looking for drugs. I can see some
overzealous DHS agent in Seattle saying, "well, if he put that boat on a
trailer and took it to Florida it could get to Cuba. We've got his ass
now!" I wonder how long it will be before they notice that aircraft are
legally considered "vessels" under the law? You guys in FL watch your six,
OK?
>
> Well, George W. lost my vote with that one. Kerry is a spoiled limousine
liberal trying to be JFK. Who the hell can I vote for now?
>
> When I was in sixth grade I won the school district's annual essay contest
with an essay entitled, "I Am Proud To Be An American." I think I need to
write a new one entitled, "I Am Ashamed To Be An American."
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
>
> There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
> A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Vote for me. I'm running in Nov.
Al DeVere
Real Whig Party
Moderately Independent
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brianl@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Political rant (Was: 52td)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
> Barry Hancock wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> >
> > I don't know if I could live in the UK, but otherwise you are living my
> > dream! Cool airplanes, grass field, fly them all. As we
> > affectionately say here in the states..."you suck!" :)
> > (code for "I'm very jealous of you, you bastard!")
>
> Having flown GA in the UK (and other parts of Europe and the rest of the
world) all I can say is that we have the best flying in the world here in
the USoA ... or at least we used to. Flying around DC recently I have to
say it is now more restrictive than flying in the UK but the rest of the
country is still pretty free and open ... that is until they pop up a TFR in
your way.
>
> If you get flight following you are more likely to avoid TFRs. I missed
one on a preflight briefing and was saved by ATC notifying me that my course
would take me through a new TFR. Thank God. We used to have the freedom to
just hop in our airplanes and fly anywhere we damned well pleased whenever
we pleased. Oh yeah, we had TCAs (now Class-B), but they were never that
restrictive and they were usually designed to more-or-less accommodate GA
too.
>
> And thinking about it as I write this just makes me more and more angry.
I just received a sailing magazine which has a small article about a new
Presidential proclamation expanding the powers of the Secretary of Homeland
Security to violate rights and due process. Seems if you own a boat that is
even *capable* of getting to Cuba they can do anything they want right up to
confiscating your boat and clapping you in irons. They don't even need the
pretext of probable cause such as looking for drugs. I can see some
overzealous DHS agent in Seattle saying, "well, if he put that boat on a
trailer and took it to Florida it could get to Cuba. We've got his ass
now!" I wonder how long it will be before they notice that aircraft are
legally considered "vessels" under the law? You guys in FL watch your six,
OK?
>
> Well, George W. lost my vote with that one. Kerry is a spoiled limousine
liberal trying to be JFK. Who the hell can I vote for now?
>
> When I was in sixth grade I won the school district's annual essay contest
with an essay entitled, "I Am Proud To Be An American." I think I need to
write a new one entitled, "I Am Ashamed To Be An American."
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
>
> There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
> A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Ok Mark, maybe you should sell CJs to the US, a decent profit to be made
there I think :))))
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Jefferies
YAK UK Ltd
Subject: Yak-List: Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re:
52td
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd"
<mark.j@yakuk.com>
If you have a YAK52TD you would not want a 50 simple as that.
Certifying the a special CJ in Europe would be very cost prohibitive, and in
the end it would not fetch the money they go for in USA. I hear 120-130,000$
for a good one is not uncommon. In the UK you would be lucky to get 50,000$
they are not appreciated here.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td
> Would you take my Super CJ in trade for a -52td and a -50? :)- I'll
> fly 'em to all the shows and tell everyone what a great guy you are...
>
> B
> On Jun 13, 2004, at 8:48 AM, Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd wrote:
>
> > yes, but NOT on a Russian chute, we supply nice soft leather cushions.
> > It
> > has about 6 hrs fuel on board for the realy long flights !!!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
> > To: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
> > Cc: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 4:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 13, 2004, at 12:49 AM, Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Barry.
> >>>
> >>> Yes we can get rid of the round head rivets, simple we use wings from
> >>> pre
> >>> 1981, they were flush riveted !! An added benefit is that these wings
> >>> have a
> >>> faster roll rate.
> >>
> >> Great! Now, can you make the cockpits roomy enough to comfortably
> >> handle a 6'2", 200 lb. guy for 2 hours?
> >>
> >> B
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I dont understand why you cant practice 1 day from some other airport nearby
then stage out of OSH or S&F. I just dont like the idea of spending the
entire event off field. The way you propose it, its either miss out on all
the activities at either one of these events for 25 min in the air for a
mass formation. Or if you want to spend your days at either of these events,
you cant fly in the mass formation.
I dont see the other clubs doing that. NATA stages out of Sebring the week
before S&F for FAST training for FNG's and some practice, then they actually
spend the rest of the event at the event, AND they get to fly formation. I
dont understand why we must fly 5 sorties a day during this event, if you
DONT plan on training FNG's.
I'm sure that you are all keeping proficient the rest of the year, and I
would think that 1 day of off field practice should be good enough, to allow
for a safe formations over the event.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <MFilucci@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: FAST clinics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 6/11/04 7:37:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> yakpilot@wideopenwest.com writes:
>
>
> > I still can't understand why initial training was eliminated from the
MTW
> > clinic.
>
> After several years of trying to provide FAST training and also
participate
> in the mass formations at S&F/OSH we came to the conclusion that we could
not
> do justice to both. It has nothing to do with safety, it has everything to
do
> with doing a professional job and providing the best possible training to
the
> members.
>
> The solution, as it is being implemented this year, is to devote the S&F
and
> OSH fly-ins to mass formation and promote FAST training on the local,
grass
> roots level. S&F and OSH provide the perfect venue to practice mass
formation.
> The RPA is not participating in these mass formations because we want to
be
> like some other organization, we participate because our members want to
do so. I
> can tell you from personal experience that all the pilots who fly in the
> airshow environment enjoy it immensely -- some have told me that it is the
> culmination of a life-long dream. Do we want to be the best mass form in
the airshow
> -- well, hell yes -- because our guys are proud of the aircraft they fly
and
> the precision with which they fly them? Where else but OSH can you fly in
a
> mass form and then ride down the crowd line after landing to experience
the
> appreciation of tens of thousands of cheering, waving airshow fans? The
guys really
> appreciate being a part of something very special and, in this way, they
> enjoy giving back to the aviation community.
>
> So, now that we have addressed the members' desire to fly mass formations,
> how do we go about providing the best FAST training for FNGs and others?
We
> promote local, grass roots clinics. The advantages are:
>
> 1) pilots don't have to travel great distances and spend copious
quantities
> of money to get there (S&F and OSH are conveniently located for some and
mighty
> inconvenient for many others)
> 2) pilots can schedule the clinics when it is convenient for them
> 3) pilots are not limited to a single, annual event -- they can conduct
> several clinics throughout the year
> 4) the clinics are devoted solely to formation training -- there is no
> compromising of that effort
>
> Time will tell if we are on the right track but, so far, the results are
very
> encouraging. We have already conducted more local clinics this year than
in
> any other previous year, and we're only halfway through June. Frankly, we
have
> gotten back to our grass roots with the emphasis on the local clinics.
>
> So far this year, I have gotten positive feedback from two important
sources:
> the students and the instructors. In the past, the instructors have always
> complained about trying to accomplish too much at S&F/OSH -- they have
felt
> rushed and cheated of the proper time to do the students' training
properly. The
> students, likewise, have felt the consequences. Not so this year.
>
> This may turn out not to be the best solution but we will allow time to
try
> the program to see if it benefits our members in both the quality and the
> quantity of what we can offer. If a better idea surfaces, we will look at
it with
> the same overriding concern -- does it provide the best benefit for our
> members?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | Who are you calling boys and girls? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Ok then,
Just to up the anti take a look at this:-
http://www.raf.mod.uk/reds/teamhist1.html
In particular please note the three Gladiators of No 87 Sqn "Tied" together,
OK beat that !
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: Who are you calling boys and girls?
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
I offer this for comparison....
http://www.blueangels.navy.mil/flash/themegallery.html
B
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| Subject: | Nanchang Top Cowl |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Someone from Atlanta was kind enough to send me some photos of a top cowl they
had for sale. I have managed to lose your address. Thanks for doing that but it
looks like the freight charges from the East Coast will make it uneconomic.
Regards,
Graeme
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang Top Cowl |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Graeme use your ID90 and bring it back as baggage
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "ANDREWS" <dandmaz@cox.net>
Nock it off this is not a political forum . Take it some place else . Don
Andrews
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Political rant (Was: 52td)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
>
> Brian,
> Maybe it's time for you to research your citizenship
> options elsewhere.
> Terry Lewis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Lloyd" <brianl@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Political rant (Was: 52td)
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
> >
> > Barry Hancock wrote:
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> > >
> > > I don't know if I could live in the UK, but otherwise you are living
my
> > > dream! Cool airplanes, grass field, fly them all. As we
> > > affectionately say here in the states..."you suck!" :)
> > > (code for "I'm very jealous of you, you bastard!")
> >
> > Having flown GA in the UK (and other parts of Europe and the rest of the
> world) all I can say is that we have the best flying in the world here in
> the USoA ... or at least we used to. Flying around DC recently I have to
> say it is now more restrictive than flying in the UK but the rest of the
> country is still pretty free and open ... that is until they pop up a TFR
in
> your way.
> >
> > If you get flight following you are more likely to avoid TFRs. I missed
> one on a preflight briefing and was saved by ATC notifying me that my
course
> would take me through a new TFR. Thank God. We used to have the freedom
to
> just hop in our airplanes and fly anywhere we damned well pleased whenever
> we pleased. Oh yeah, we had TCAs (now Class-B), but they were never that
> restrictive and they were usually designed to more-or-less accommodate GA
> too.
> >
> > And thinking about it as I write this just makes me more and more angry.
> I just received a sailing magazine which has a small article about a new
> Presidential proclamation expanding the powers of the Secretary of
Homeland
> Security to violate rights and due process. Seems if you own a boat that
is
> even *capable* of getting to Cuba they can do anything they want right up
to
> confiscating your boat and clapping you in irons. They don't even need
the
> pretext of probable cause such as looking for drugs. I can see some
> overzealous DHS agent in Seattle saying, "well, if he put that boat on a
> trailer and took it to Florida it could get to Cuba. We've got his ass
> now!" I wonder how long it will be before they notice that aircraft are
> legally considered "vessels" under the law? You guys in FL watch your
six,
> OK?
> >
> > Well, George W. lost my vote with that one. Kerry is a spoiled
limousine
> liberal trying to be JFK. Who the hell can I vote for now?
> >
> > When I was in sixth grade I won the school district's annual essay
contest
> with an essay entitled, "I Am Proud To Be An American." I think I need to
> write a new one entitled, "I Am Ashamed To Be An American."
> >
> > --
> > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> > brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> > http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
> >
> > There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
> > A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Terry wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
>
> Brian,
> Maybe it's time for you to research your citizenship
> options elsewhere.
Believe it or not, that has occurred to me. However, I am reminded of the layman's
description of the three laws of Thermodynamics:
You can't win;
You can't break even;
You can't get out of the game.
It is the latter that seems most applicable here.
So I would like to find a way to fix it if possible as I haven't found anyplace
better than the USoA regardless of how bad it is.
OTOH, if it keeps going this way ...
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Whats the difference between this and the TW???
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Subject: Yak-List: http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp Re: 52td
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd"
<mark.j@yakuk.com>
>
> Hi Barry.
>
> Yes we can get rid of the round head rivets, simple we use wings from pre
> 1981, they were flush riveted !! An added benefit is that these wings have
a
> faster roll rate.
>
> The aircraft has much more get up and go than a stock 52, in fact it will
> out run a stock Y50 but not quite out climb the Y50. The 52TD is 200KG
> heavier than a 50.
>
> The power settings you suggest are "over revving" the engine, ie to low
> manifold pressure, this will cause glazing with a new engine. Basically
run
> the numbers the same but in actual fact if you run the manifold pressure
> numbers 10% higher than RPM that's very close to recommended book
settings.
>
> So, YAK52TD speeds, 60% & 600mm you get 220-222 kph, 70% & 700mm 250-252
> kph, 82% WOT 305 kph and 100% & WOT 330 kph, these speeds are 2 up on a +
20
> day at 1500ft.
>
> Its reported to me that the Aerostar TW does 315 kph flat out so luckily
we
> are 15 kph faster :>)) This could improve further if we get the inner gear
> doors fitted and functioning properly.
>
> I'm just about to post some more pix on the site taken by another
> photographer. http://www.yakuk.com/YAK-52TDPictures.asp
>
> I raced a stock CJ that's how I say its faster but then again I know there
> are "special" CJ's out there.
>
> Best regards, Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
> To: <mark.j@yakuk.com>
> Subject: 52td
>
>
> > Dude (That's what we call friends in California:),
> >
> > OUTSTANDING! Now *that* is a fine looking airplane. No disrespect to
> > the -52TW owners, but this design doesn't look like an afterthought.
> > It looks like a baby Yak-11!
> >
> > Now, can you get rid of the round head rivets? ;)-
> >
> > How did it compare to the standard -52 in the aerobatic regime?
> >
> > What are the approximate cruise figures, KTAS and KIAS (we yanks have a
> > hard time with that metric stuff), for say 70% and 660mm, or 74% and
> > 700mm at 6500 MSL(approx. 2000 meters) on a standard day? You say it
> > was faster than a CJ...what were all the stats on that? My CJ is
> > faster than an L-39 too, you know....
> >
> > Again, well done on a beauty of an a/c!
> >
> > Barry
> >
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Thank god I finally sold my boat last week.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brianl@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Political rant (Was: 52td)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
> Barry Hancock wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> >
> > I don't know if I could live in the UK, but otherwise you are living my
> > dream! Cool airplanes, grass field, fly them all. As we
> > affectionately say here in the states..."you suck!" :)
> > (code for "I'm very jealous of you, you bastard!")
>
> Having flown GA in the UK (and other parts of Europe and the rest of the
world) all I can say is that we have the best flying in the world here in
the USoA ... or at least we used to. Flying around DC recently I have to
say it is now more restrictive than flying in the UK but the rest of the
country is still pretty free and open ... that is until they pop up a TFR in
your way.
>
> If you get flight following you are more likely to avoid TFRs. I missed
one on a preflight briefing and was saved by ATC notifying me that my course
would take me through a new TFR. Thank God. We used to have the freedom to
just hop in our airplanes and fly anywhere we damned well pleased whenever
we pleased. Oh yeah, we had TCAs (now Class-B), but they were never that
restrictive and they were usually designed to more-or-less accommodate GA
too.
>
> And thinking about it as I write this just makes me more and more angry.
I just received a sailing magazine which has a small article about a new
Presidential proclamation expanding the powers of the Secretary of Homeland
Security to violate rights and due process. Seems if you own a boat that is
even *capable* of getting to Cuba they can do anything they want right up to
confiscating your boat and clapping you in irons. They don't even need the
pretext of probable cause such as looking for drugs. I can see some
overzealous DHS agent in Seattle saying, "well, if he put that boat on a
trailer and took it to Florida it could get to Cuba. We've got his ass
now!" I wonder how long it will be before they notice that aircraft are
legally considered "vessels" under the law? You guys in FL watch your six,
OK?
>
> Well, George W. lost my vote with that one. Kerry is a spoiled limousine
liberal trying to be JFK. Who the hell can I vote for now?
>
> When I was in sixth grade I won the school district's annual essay contest
with an essay entitled, "I Am Proud To Be An American." I think I need to
write a new one entitled, "I Am Ashamed To Be An American."
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
>
> There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
> A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang Top Cowl |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
www.shipgreyhound.com
cheap
-----Original Message-----
From: Graeme Frew <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Nanchang Top Cowl
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Someone from Atlanta was kind enough to send me some photos of a top cowl they
had for sale. I have managed to lose your address. Thanks for doing that but it
looks like the freight charges from the East Coast will make it uneconomic.
Regards,
Graeme
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| Subject: | Nanchang Top Cowl |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Graeme,
I have several of them in stock. Give me a call if you don't find him.
Grant Murdock has a rudder leaving soon from CA via container, there might
be room on it for your cowl.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Graeme Frew
Subject: Yak-List: Nanchang Top Cowl
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Someone from Atlanta was kind enough to send me some photos of a top cowl
they had for sale. I have managed to lose your address. Thanks for doing
that but it looks like the freight charges from the East Coast will make it
uneconomic.
Regards,
Graeme
Message 26
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| Subject: | Nanchang Top Cowl |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Greyhound to New Zealand??? :>)
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kendel McCarley
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nanchang Top Cowl
--> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
www.shipgreyhound.com
cheap
-----Original Message-----
From: Graeme Frew <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Nanchang Top Cowl
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Someone from Atlanta was kind enough to send me some photos of a top cowl
they had for sale. I have managed to lose your address. Thanks for doing
that but it looks like the freight charges from the East Coast will make it
uneconomic.
Regards,
Graeme
Message 27
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| Subject: | Nanchang Top Cowl |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
There's a pair of Cuban brothers willing to give it a try.
http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=3737
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Nanchang Top Cowl
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Greyhound to New Zealand??? :>)
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kendel McCarley
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nanchang Top Cowl
--> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
www.shipgreyhound.com
cheap
-----Original Message-----
From: Graeme Frew <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Nanchang Top Cowl
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Someone from Atlanta was kind enough to send me some photos of a top cowl
they had for sale. I have managed to lose your address. Thanks for doing
that but it looks like the freight charges from the East Coast will make it
uneconomic.
Regards,
Graeme
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
All ranting aside, things have changed and there are confusing and conflicting
rules that affect our ability to fly "safely." In this case I use the term 'safely'
to mean "safe from enforcement action against a pilot," as well as physical
safety. Now TSA pops up TFRs all over. They could pop one up after you are
in the air and could yank your ticket should you violate one. This makes getting
flight following from ATC almost a necessity. At a bare minimum it probably
requires multiple calls to Flight Watch over the course of a cross-country
leg.
The ADIZ around DC is an especially interesting case. If ATC vectors you into
the "freeze" area around DC proper the pilot's butt that is in a sling. "ATC
vectored me there," is not an acceptable excuse. Therefore it is the pilots responsibility
to refuse any vector that would cause him to enter the inner-core
"freeze" area. So what happens if there is a traffic conflict and ATC turns
you into the "freeze" area? I will be exonerated, right?
I have run into a rule down here in the Caribbean that potentially creates a safety-of-flight
issue. Outbound from the US I may not fly to the Turks & Caicos
without first stopping in the Bahamas unless I apply for and receive a "waiver"
from the DHS two weeks ahead of time. Likewise I may not fly back to US soil
without receiving another waiver. Given the scarcity of airports with fuel,
anything that takes viable airports away from the pilot or requires unnecessary
extra landings and take-offs reduces his/her safety margin. So far I have
managed to sweet-talk Flight Service into approving an on-the-spot waiver when
flying from the Turks & Caicos to Puerto Rico or the US Virgin Islands but
I was afraid I would have to overfly both to land in the British Virgin Islands
if they wouldn't grant a waiver. Now it is not that much farther but it erodes
my fuel and safety margins.
And would anyone be willing to venture a guess as to why I should need a waiver
when leaving US soil? The Bahamanian officials in Bimini stamped my passport,
accepted my inbound and outbound general declaration forms, took my $20, and
laughed uproariously. Neither they nor I could figure out how my stopping there
on my way to the Turks & Caicos improved the security of the US one iota.
So the point is: be careful and don't bust any new rules and/or airspace.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
Message 29
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
DaBear wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
>
> Vote for me. I'm running in Nov.
Well, I have done stranger things in my life.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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