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1. 12:49 AM - Re: Nanchang Top Cowl (Graeme Frew)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Brian Lloyd)
3. 05:27 AM - FAST clinics (MFilucci@aol.com)
4. 06:07 AM - Flying Freedom (Frank Haertlein)
5. 08:10 AM - RAF Reds (Barry Hancock)
6. 08:48 AM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Bill Halverson)
7. 09:45 AM - frustration (Jerry Painter)
8. 09:49 AM - Re: "FLEX" (Ron Davis)
9. 10:08 AM - Re: FAST clinics (Ernie)
10. 10:15 AM - Understanding Engineers (Jerry Painter)
11. 11:12 AM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Ron Davis)
12. 11:23 AM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Ron Davis)
13. 11:30 AM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Ron Davis)
14. 12:34 PM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Brian Lloyd)
15. 12:42 PM - Re: Pardon my terminology (Bob Fitzpatrick)
16. 01:03 PM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Jim Ivey)
17. 02:07 PM - A proper way to land your Yak (Jerome Van der Schaar)
18. 02:20 PM - Re: A proper way to land your Yak (B.Reade Genzlinger)
19. 02:37 PM - Re: A proper way to land your Yak (Jerome Van der Schaar)
20. 02:41 PM - Re: A proper way to land your Yak (Jorgen Nielsen)
21. 02:51 PM - Re: A proper way to land your Yak (Jerome Van der Schaar)
22. 03:08 PM - Re: Pardon my terminology (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
23. 03:13 PM - CJ Stick boot (Walt Murphy)
24. 08:04 PM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (DaBear)
25. 08:29 PM - Re: FAST clinics (DaBear)
26. 09:48 PM - Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) (Roy O. Wright)
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang Top Cowl |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
That would be the snorkel fitted greyhound. Mind you they are a fair bit
cheaper than standard freight rates round the States so thanks Kendel for
the heads up.
Three rules of the Officers Mess.
Never discuss;
Sex
Politics
Religion.
I reckon they were onto something.
Graeme
Nanchang 01
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
ANDREWS wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "ANDREWS" <dandmaz@cox.net>
>
> Nock it off this is not a political forum . Take it some place else . Don
Don,
I agree. I was personally conflicted about sending that first message. It sat
on my screen for quite a while before I pressed send.
My logic followed this path:
We like to fly.
We like to fly safely and freely.
We study things that impact our ability to fly safely and do what we can to mitigate
the problem.
Normally these problems have to do with training and mechanics. Suddenly (not
so suddenly?) we have an external force that is making it more and more difficult
to do what we used to do safely.
I came down to the islands and more-or-less stuck my head in the sand. But the
President's proclamation about the new powers of the Secretary for Homeland Defense
hit me right where I am living. Three or four slips down is a long, narrow,
very fast boat with blue lights on top. The side of the boat used to read
"Customs Enforcement" but now reads "Department of Homeland Security." The
guys who run that boat are really nice and we occasionally have a beer together
when they come back in. These guys wear body armor and carry fully automatic
weapons. Nothing stands between them and me now except their good will. But
I have already had one run-in with one of these agents elsewhere who did not
exhibit good will toward me. I don't care to repeat it. I even dragged my
father aside and told him to shut up when he started to argue with one of the
DHS agents when we arrived here last week. Me telling my father to shut up?
This past month I flew almost 80 hours covering much of the southern half of the
United States. Flying to and from the DC area (I was more-or-less based at
Gaithersburg for a couple of weeks) *scared* me. I am a good pilot. I know how
to use and fit into "the system". But I realized that the slightest error
would likely result in me losing my ticket at the least. Missing that TFR during
my briefing and having to have ATC steer me away from it made me very uncomfortable
too. What if I wasn't getting traffic advisories from ATC? I would
not have liked to have our "boys in blue" join up on me unexpectedly.
You know what this feels like? It feels like flying a broken airplane. I found
this corrosion on the spar with a couple of very small cracks. OK, I will keep
flying the airplane but I will limit it to half the gees is is rated for.
That should keep me flying, right? Oh, more cracks. I guess I had better derate
that wing some more and limit my bank angle to 20 degrees. If someone started
saying things like that to you, you would probably call them an idiot and
tell them to effect a proper repair.
Flying in the US feels to me like flying an airplane with a crack in the spar.
My butt keeps grabbing the seat cushion. I am trying very hard to limit what
I do so that I don't break things and kill myself when what I should be doing
is effecting a proper repair.
So where should I go to talk about it? Perhaps it would be better to talk about
it over a beer after a day of flying but I don't have anyone else here to do
that with. For better or worse, you guys are my flying buddies now.
My apologies for the rant. I just hope my grandkids get to fly airplanes just
for the fun of it.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 6/13/04 7:24:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ernest.martinez@oracle.com writes:
I dont understand why you cant practice 1 day from some other airport nearby
then stage out of OSH or S&F. I just dont like the idea of spending the
entire event off field.
Ernie,
You have to understand that while you don't like operating out of a remote
field, there are many members who prefer it. They like it because there is no
traffic, no congestion, no waiting in line for dinner every night, and they
can launch a sortie whenever they want to, with no fuss and no convoluted taxi
and departure. Since the warbird airshow normally only takes place on 3 of
the days, it still allows plenty of time to spend on the ground at S&F/OSH. As
I said before, no one is required to fly all or any of the warbird fly-bys --
guys do it because they like to participate.
Yes, NATA and other signatories have a week-long session prior to S&F/OSH
but the biggest complaint I have gotten in the past from our members is that
they don't have 2 weeks to devote to either S&F or OSH -- they are oftentimes
hard-pressed to get a full week off.
If you want to organize a week-long practice prior to S&F or OSH there is
nothing in this world that is stopping you -- have at it! You have the regional
coordinators who can provide you with contact info to help you get started.
Mike
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Bryan;
You're not alone in how you feel. Like I've said before, the general
direction of government is to further restrict your freedoms. When was
the last time you saw a law repealed thus increasing your freedoms? The
FAA and Office of Homeland Security are there to protect us, right?
I'd say most every one of us has had to deal with the FAA at some point
and I'm willing to bet we've all had unpleasant experiences. You should
have seen the rig-a-ma-role I had to go thru to get my Operating
Limitations (notice the word "limitations"....... limitations on our
freedoms is more like it). Just look at what they're doing to the jet
guys. You can only take off and land at your home airport? What
government genius thought of that one? Look at what's happening in
England. If we were subject to the same rules many of us wouldn't be
flying today!
In Drew's own words, one of the reasons Red Stars was formed was to
increase our strength or political voice. We all know that the FAA
could do us in with the stroke of a pen. Like I've often said "the road
to hell is paved with good intentions". That's another way of saying
that government, in it's haste to protect us, will create laws, laws and
more laws until it gets to the point where one day you will wake up and
ask "where have all our freedoms gone"?
We now have suicidal, crazy Muslims who want to kill us so new laws need
to be in place to protect us. Obviously, those new laws hinder our
ability to fly as freely as you may be used to. Imagine what would
happen if terrorists used a general aviation airplane to dust us with
anthrax. We'd probly loose all kinds of freedoms....the very freedoms
that make the US the best place in the world to live.
It's sad but there is a solution that we will never undertake...... Ship
em' all back to Saudi Arabia or wherever the hell they came from. Who
the hell let em' in here in the first place? Let's face it, some
religious teachings are incompatible with freedom as we know it.
Flying isn't what it used to be......and it'll only get worse if you
don't speak up!
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> Ok then,
> Just to up the anti take a look at this:-
>
> http://www.raf.mod.uk/reds/teamhist1.html
>
> In particular please note the three Gladiators of No 87 Sqn "Tied"
> together,
> OK beat that !
There's still at least 3 feet between wingtips, and you can fit a lawn
chair (long ways) between those Hawks. When you can get it down to 18
inches, then we might have a game... :)
All in good fun,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Halverson <william@netpros.net>
At 08:46 PM 6/13/2004, Brian Lloyd wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
>All ranting aside, things have changed and there are confusing and
>conflicting rules that affect our ability to fly "safely." In this case I
>use the term 'safely' to mean "safe from enforcement action against a
>pilot," as well as physical safety. Now TSA pops up TFRs all over. They
>could pop one up after you are in the air and could yank your ticket
>should you violate one. This makes getting flight following from ATC
>almost a necessity. At a bare minimum it probably requires multiple calls
>to Flight Watch over the course of a cross-country leg.
Not sure why one would _not_ routinely get flight following, assuming you
are properly equipped ... I've had a couple of close calls that ATC
prevented from being last calls ... even during aero practice, I try to
keep flight following doing ...
Bill Halverson
YAK-55
N355YK
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
Bryan,
Fully sympathize. AYWK, never has been, never will be a *perfect* place.
For now this is the best we got and the only last best hope--but keep
hammering--e pluribus carborundum. Personally, I'm a Libertarian
full-tilt-boogie 4wd 12-gauge 6G un-reconstructed Seattle Liberal writing-in
Michael Moore stupid white guy who loves women and can jump. And I'm glad
we got Saddam. Kim Il Jong: watch your six.
Did I say I like them commie airplanes, too? Yes, I do!
YPA--you're doing a great job, hope you-all run for re-election...and keep
running and running and running...
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-258-4522/425-876-0865
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Frank,
Good answer, but to the wrong question. I asked how a coil dampens a
PRESSURE SPIKE, which I've never heard of, as opposed to the vibration and
thermal expension that a loop/coil/bend will mitigate in a very ovious way.
Thanks for trying.
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I think you missed my point Mike.
I wasnt suggesting we stage a week earlier, I dont have 2 weeks either, I
barely have 1 week. I usually show up during the latter part of the week,
usually Thurs Fri and Sat. And I generally have to fly commercial to OSH.
Now If I want to participate in the mass formations, I MUST stage out in the
boonies, if I want to enjoy the activities at the event and stay local to
the event, I CANT fly with you guys. And if I fly commercial to OSH, I may
as well be a T-34 guy as far as you all are concerned. Last year I searched
high and low to just say hello to you guys, and never found you.
You arent providing training for FNG's, so my question was, "Why must you
fly so many sorties, which requires you to stage out of somewhere else?"
Regarding my comparison to the other clubs, I was merely tying to point out
that they stay local AND fly in the mass formations. Is RPA's attendance at
S&F and OSH strictly to fly in the show?
If it is true that the majority of RPA members prefer to stay off field,
then my point is moot. Is this in fact the case? Most people show up cause
they have no choice if they want to go to this event as an RPA member. Have
we ever asked if this is what people want? We have a lot of new members,
maybe we should ask. I saw a lot of CJ's and Yaks this year at S&F that
didnt stage with you guys. Maybe we'd have greater participation in this org
if we were all at the same place. I was the only Jet that showed up at
Winterhaven, and that didnt work out very well at all. Should I organise Jet
gatherings separate from the Yak and CJ gatherings at these 2 venues? Should
the Wilga and IAR guys do their own thing? How about the Yak 18T or the Acro
guys, do they create their own agendas? Kinda defeats the purpose of a RPA
being all inclusive, might as well have different clubs. Did we make a
mistake in changing from YPA to RPA? Do we want to be mainly a formation
club for CJ's and Yak 52's? These arent bad things, but I think that we need
to be clear of our mission.
I just organised a BFM clinic here at Leeward Air Ranch over Memorial Day
weekend, when I mentioned it on the yak-list all I got was a bunch of flak
from several members. I then limited my communication to those folks who
were interested in participating, and we had a great SAFE time. I have
participated in just about every formation clinic that has staged in my
area. I have had numerous conversations with several people regarding how
you can improve the clubs website. I dont think my participation in the club
is the issue here. But if the answer to any of my concerns is to just go out
and do it myself, then whats the point of belonging to RPA. At some point
there needs to be a group conscience. The last time we voted on anything was
for the name change.
For me, these 2 yearly events are to go and have fun with our fellow pilots
and congregate at a central location which to me is either the S&F or OSH
airports. Formation flying is only part of the fun. I want to fly in the
mass formations, I also want to walk around the place and see the sites, eat
the food, do some shopping, and hang out with all the other warbird people.
The way it is organised currently, if you dont stage out of the remote
field, then for all intents and purposes you arent part of RPA during that
event. And if you show up at the remote field with something other than a
Yak 52 or a CJ, then you are just a visitor. To just tell me that if I dont
want to fly formation I should just go stay where I want, is tantamount to
telling me to go pound sand.
Bottom line, I feel that the spirit of RPA is completely lost at these 2
great events. This may be the only chance most of us have to get together
with our fellow members. I dont know how many RPA members there are out
there who do not own Yak 52's or CJ's and who even care if they get to hang
out with the membership during these events. If this is a small number, and
the majority of the membership prefers the status quo, then I'll shut up,
and just do my own thing. Otherwise I'd like to hear from the rest of the
peanut gallery.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <MFilucci@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: FAST clinics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 6/13/04 7:24:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ernest.martinez@oracle.com writes:
>
> I dont understand why you cant practice 1 day from some other airport
nearby
> then stage out of OSH or S&F. I just dont like the idea of spending the
> entire event off field.
>
>
> Ernie,
> You have to understand that while you don't like operating out of a remote
> field, there are many members who prefer it. They like it because there is
no
> traffic, no congestion, no waiting in line for dinner every night, and
they
> can launch a sortie whenever they want to, with no fuss and no convoluted
taxi
> and departure. Since the warbird airshow normally only takes place on 3 of
> the days, it still allows plenty of time to spend on the ground at
S&F/OSH. As
> I said before, no one is required to fly all or any of the warbird
fly-bys --
> guys do it because they like to participate.
>
> Yes, NATA and other signatories have a week-long session prior to S&F/OSH
> but the biggest complaint I have gotten in the past from our members is
that
> they don't have 2 weeks to devote to either S&F or OSH -- they are
oftentimes
> hard-pressed to get a full week off.
>
> If you want to organize a week-long practice prior to S&F or OSH there is
> nothing in this world that is stopping you -- have at it! You have the
regional
> coordinators who can provide you with contact info to help you get
started.
>
> Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | Understanding Engineers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
> Understanding Engineers - Take One
>
> Two engineering students were walking across campus when one said,
> "Where did you get such a great bike?" The second engineer replied,
> "Well, I was walking along yesterday minding my own business when a
> beautiful woman rode up on this bike. She threw the bike to the
> ground, took off all her clothes and said, "Take what you want." The
> second engineer nodded approvingly, "Good choice; the clothes probably
> wouldn't have fit."
>
> =====
>
>
> Understanding Engineers - Take Two
>
> To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass
> is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs
> to be.
>
> =====
>
> Understanding Engineers - Take Three
>
> A pastor, a doctor and an engineer were waiting one morning for a
> particularly slow group of golfers. The engineer fumed, "What's with
> these guys? We must have been waiting for 15 minutes!"
>
> The doctor chimed in, "I don't know, but I've never seen such
> ineptitude!"
>
> The pastor said, "Hey, here comes the greens keeper. Let's have a word
> with him."
>
> "Hi, George. Say, what's with that group ahead of us? They're rather
> slow,aren't they?"
>
> The greens keeper replied, "Oh, yes, that's a group of blind
> firefighters who lost their sight saving our clubhouse from a fire
> last year, so we always let them play for free anytime."
>
> The group was silent for a moment. The pastor said, "That's so sad. I
> think I will say a special prayer for them tonight."
>
> The doctor said, "Good idea. And I'm going to contact my
> ophthalmologist buddy and see if there's anything he can do for them."
>
> The engineer said, "Why can't these guys play at night?"
>
> =====
>
> Understanding Engineers - Take Four
>
> There was an engineer who had an exceptional gift for fixing all
> things mechanical. After serving his company loyally for over 30
> years, he happily retired. Several years later the company contacted
> him regarding a seemingly impossible problem they were having with one
> of their multi-million dollar machines. They had tried everything and
> everyone else to get the machine to work but to no avail. In
> desperation, they called on the retired engineer who had solved so
> many of their problems in the past. The engineer reluctantly took the
> challenge. He spent a day studying the huge machine.
>
> Finally, at the end of the day, he marked a small "x" in chalk on a
> particular component of the machine and said, "This is where your
> problem is."
>
> The part was replaced and the machine worked perfectly again. The
> company received a bill for $50,000 from the engineer for his service.
> They demanded an itemized accounting of his charges. The engineer
> responded briefly: One chalk mark $1; Knowing where to put it $49,999.
> It was paid in full and the engineer retired again in peace.
>
> =====
>
> Understanding Engineers - Take Five
>
> What is the difference between Mechanical Engineers and Civil
> Engineers?
>
> Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.
>
> =====
>
> Understanding Engineers - Take Six
>
> Three engineering students were gathered together discussing the
> possible designers of the human body. One said, "It was a mechanical
> engineer. Just look at all the joints."
>
> Another said, "No, it was an electrical engineer. The nervous system
> has many thousands of electrical connections."
>
> The last said, "Actually it was a civil engineer. Who else would run a
> toxic waste pipeline through a recreational area?"
>
> =====
>
> Understanding Engineers - Take Seven
>
> "Normal people ... believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>
> Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough
> features yet."!
>
> =====
>
> Understanding Engineers - Take Eight
>
> An architect, an artist and an engineer were discussing whether it was
> better to spend time with the wife or a mistress. The architect said
> he enjoyed time with his wife, building a solid foundation for an
> enduring relationship. The artist said he enjoyed time with his
> mistress, because of the passion and mystery he found there. The
> engineer said, "I like both."
>
> "Both?" they asked.
>
> Engineer: "Yeah. If you have a wife and a mistress, they will each
> assume you are spending time with the other woman, and you can go to
> the lab and get some work done."
>
> =====
>
> Understanding Engineers - Take Nine
>
> An engineer was crossing a road one day when a frog called out to him
> and said, "If you kiss me, I'll turn into a beautiful princess." He
> bent over, picked up the frog and put it in his pocket. The frog spoke
> up again and said, "If you kiss me and turn me back into a beautiful
> princess, I will stay with you for one week." The engineer took the
> frog out of his pocket, smiled at it and returned it to the pocket.
> The frog then cried out, "If you kiss me and turn me back into a
> princess, I'll stay with you and do ANYTHING you want." Again the
> engineer took the frog out, smiled at it, and put it back into his
> pocket. Finally, the frog asked, "What is the matter? I've told you
> I'm a beautiful princess, that I'll stay with you for a weekend do
> anything you want. Why won't you kiss me?"
>
> The engineer said, "Look. I'm an engineer. I don't have time for a
> girlfriend, but a talking frog, now that's cool."
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
We are still freer in the US than anywhere else in the world. It is the
trend that is the problem. Each year the Eastern Europeans have more
freedom than in the past. Each year WE have less.
Re-read Orwell's 1984 or rent the Tom Cruise movie "Minority Report" see how
many dots you can connect. Both deal with making people safe and preventing
crime- a concept that wasn't often discussed before 9/11. The only way to
prevent crime is keep close track of everyone and look for the point where
they start to stray from the straight and narrow.
The US has embraced a great many policies it condemned the USSR for using.
We were against military fighters shooting down airliners when the USSR
downed KAL 007, now we have a policy to shoot them down. It can only be
authorized by a very few high level officials here, just like the USSR
procedure. The Russian pilot fired because he was quickly running out of
time to get official approval... It's a great way to set up the fighter
pilot to take the blame.
CAPPS II will check your credit report everytime you buy a plane ticket to
see if you've done anything suspicious lately, like travel overseas (perhaps
to an unstable or oppressive county) or deposit money in the bank. Or take
some out.
Next will be thorough background checks to see who can be trusted. Like the
CIA did on Aldrich Ames, like the Navy did on John Walker, like the FBI did
on Bob Hanssen, and like the NSA did on Ronald Pelton. My point is that the
feds aren't very good at what they claim is necessary to make us safe. They
miss all of the above and destroy people like Wen Ho Lee who are innocent.
But aside from the false positives and the false negatives, the program
works fine. By fine I mean that the bureacrats make a good living and get
promoted.
More examples: Internal passports, biometrics for tracking people. Pet
tracking computer chips are here. They won't be used on people though-
until the terrorists make our elected officials use them to protect us.
Those backward East Germans had to use dogs because they didn't have facial
recognitian software to search for insurgents at important government
functions (like the superbowl).
The difference between East Germany in 1970 and the US in 2020 is 50 years
and a lot of technology..
P.S. Brian, did you know that rivers in the upper midwest are closed to
boats near nuclear plants to protect the nuclear facilities from airplanes
crashing into them. Wait, that wouldn't make any more sense than showing a
driver's license to keep an airliner fuel tank from exploding. It must be
to protect them from submarine attack. In the 6' deep Mississippi river
West of Minneapolis.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Brian Lloyd wrote:
My apologies for the rant. I just hope my grandkids get to fly airplanes
just for the fun of it.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
That's a lofty ambition, Brian. I'm hoping my grandkids will be able to
walk the streets without electronic passport embedded in their skull.
And they refered to the '90s as the decade of lowered expectations.
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Have you ever heard the term "unable" from ATC? That's a major reason to
not get flight following.
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Bill Halverson wrote:
> Not sure why one would _not_ routinely get flight following, assuming you
> are properly equipped ... I've had a couple of close calls that ATC
> prevented from being last calls ... even during aero practice, I try to
> keep flight following doing ...
You will notice that I was getting flight following. I always request advisory
services when flying VFR because extra eyes are always welcome.
But several times on my recent trip we were refused service or we were dropped
by ATC when they became too busy. The system as it exists now is not capable
of handling every airplane flying. More and more often they fail to report traffic.
ATC is not a panacea.
Picture this: I get a briefing but a TSR pops up later. I get flight following
but they get busy and drop me or don't notice that I am flying into special-use
airspace until it is too late. The bottom line is that *I* am screwed, not
ATC. They probably even feel bad about it. They might even get a slap on the
wrist. AOPA will try to help me. My friends will rally around me. Regardless,
I will be the one in deep kim-chee, not anyone else. Does anyone remember
Bob Hoover's or Bill Bainbridge's trials and tribulations with the FAA? Do
you really think it has gotten any better?
I don't want to go into another political rant beyond saying that there are stupid,
unthinking people in Washington who are dictating things that make flying
less and less safe but do nothing to accomplish the stated goals of making us
safer from terrorists. The threat to you or me does not come from terrorists.
I am more in danger from driving, cancer, or heart disease than I am from terrorists.
The United States is no more in danger now than it was on 9/10/2001.
Just because you suddenly perceive a threat doesn't mean the threat has changed.
(Sorry Frank, I just can't get worked up about the "deadly killer Moslem
rag-heads" when there are drunks on the road who are infinitely more dangerous
to me if only because there are so damned many of them! I will happily take
my chances with the radical Islamic militants if it means I never have to deal
with drunk drivers.)
So as I see it, the real threat to me and my flying pleasure comes from my own
government. I fear what it can do to me. I am beginning to think that the thing
I really need to spend time on is trying to reverse the damage already done.
That means that I (we?) need to spend more time in the political arena actively
trying to get people in the government who will rein-in the out-of-control
agencies whether they be FAA, DOT, EPA, BATF, TSA, FBI, DEA, or DHS.
And yes, this *IS* flying related.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: Pardon my terminology |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Thank you Mark & others for the advice.
Got into the engine over the weekend and found the banjo on the compressor
was leaking. Simply tightening it stopped the leak so maybe we didn't get it
tight enough when we changed compressors about 100hrs ago. At least i don't
need a new line, yet (maybe later Doug).
The conversation here re. the rigid line indicated that it ran directly from
the compressor to the drain valve. On my '93 Yak 52 it makes 2 coils after
leaving the banjo and then connects to a flex hose that attaches to a
fitting riveted to the right side of the firewall. From that fitting a
second rigid pipe goes straight across the firewall to the drain bottle. Are
we all talking about the same configuration? The schematic in the manual
doesn't show this kind of detail.
bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich GS11 Mark G" <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
<BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
>
> Bob, I can make a guess... but I will submit that it is a very educated
one
> and I will give you about a 95% certainty factor!
>
> There are three usual places for a leak... one is the line itself... the
one
> with the coil in it. However, if this cracks, you usually will have a
total
> loss of air pressure and it will NOT be doing what you describe. It will
> just fail to provide any air at all, so it is probably NOT a cracked line.
>
> Next, the snot valve..... VALVE..... might be leaking. This is not very
> common if you are closing it by hand and not using a remote control cable.
> So that is not at the top of my list either.
>
> Lastly.. this: (and this is the most likely!) On the bottom of the
> compressor is a fitting called: A BANJO FITTING. This is a deal that
allows
> the female end to be rotated so that a perfect alignment can be achieved
to
> the solid line with the coil in it that leads over to the snot valve.
THIS
> PUPPY is what develops leaks ALL the time!
>
> It has been my experience that there is only one way to tighten this thing
> properly, and that is to take it completely apart and put it back together
> again one step at a time. Be advised... this thing has compression
washers
> in it made of aluminum. You need the proper washers.... and it helps to
> keep a spare set laying around. Check George Coy, or who ever your
favorite
> parts guy is for a set of these. Ask for the aluminum wasters for the
> compressor banjo fitting.
>
> Typically, the air leaks around the threads where the whole actual fitting
> tightens into the compressor assembly itself. Yes, it can leak at other
> areas too... but the above has happened to me more times than I can count.
> You have to remove the bottom bolt... and this will allow the banjo
looking
> piece to SLIDE directly off the rest of the piece. BE CAREFUL... there
are
> washers in here... and you need to keep careful track of where they go for
> reassembly! CAREFUL!
>
> Once the banjo fitting is removed, you can use a deep well socket wrench
to
> screw out the rest of the piece. My advice? Clean all the threads off
and
> then use a thread LOCKER on the thing. Just this one piece. Using thread
> locker and new washer, put it back on. I do not know the exact torque
that
> is called for... but I tried tight... and that didn't work. I then tried
> very tight... and that was better. I then tried TIGHT AS HELL WITHOUT
> STRIPPING THE DARN THING... and that has finally lasted about a year or
> more!
>
> After that is done, put your banjo piece back on along with the washers
and
> bottom bolt. Tighten it up just where it can still be rotated easily...
> THEN attach the rigid line leading over to the snot valve and get it
FAIRLY
> tight. After THAT, tighten the bottom Banjo fitting bolt all the way,
being
> careful not to allow rotation that would bend and crack the line leading
to
> the snot valve. After that fully tighten the #5 line going to the Banjo
> from snot valve.
>
> Some might argue to not put the rigid line on before having the BANJO all
> the way tightened. That is your call... but getting the banjo perfectly
> tight and having it perfectly aligned to the rigid line at the same time
is
> rather vexing... to put it mildly.
>
> Lastly... there is a way to check to see if this is where the leak is...
> first, look for some snot around the banjo fitting. Black to brown
looking
> goo all around it. If you have a source of higher pressure air, you can
> reverse feed air back to the compressor. Simply pull the fitting off of
the
> snot valve and hook to a source of 700 psi air. Turn on and listen for
> leaks with the engine NOT running. There is a check valve in the
compressor
> to keep it from getting back that far. You should now easily identify the
> leak.
>
> Also.... once you have the line disconnected from the banjo fitting, take
it
> off from the snot valve as well and give it a careful inspection. Just
for
> the sake of ... why not... it's right there anyway!
>
> As for the Sukhoi Flex line.... I got mine from Vladimir Yastremski. I
got
> it after looking over Hubie Tolsons SU-26MX and seeing a line in it that
> looked the perfect length.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mark
> N50YK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Fitzpatrick [mailto:rmfitz@direcway.com]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
>
> Great time for this discussion, mine is leaking. System keeps good
pressure
> in flight but the drain only dribbles whereas it used to blast back to the
> tail. I have to hurry out of the cockpit to get anything out of it, so
when
> we open it up to check with soap time will a factor. Any suggestions where
> to check first? Where do you get the replacement Sukhoi hose?
> Thanx.
> bob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bitterlich GS11 Mark G" <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
> <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
> >
> > The "snot" valve is typically mounted right AFTER the engine driven air
> > compressor and is secured to the engine firewall. It consists of a
small
> > collection "tank" that allows moisture ... along with some oil to
condense
> > in the tank. A valve allows the tank to be vented to outside air, and
> this
> > accumulated oil/moisture mixture comes out of a small line, the result
> being
> > a burst of nasty looking stuff that looks remarkably like.... well, you
> get
> > the idea. The oil in the air is a function of the compressor leaking a
> > little engine oil past it's seals as the air is being compressed. Engine
> oil
> > combined with water gives you a brown looking.... mess.
> >
> > There is no check valve between the compressor and the snot valve, thus
> > giving the owner a good idea of how "tight" the lines are between the
> > compressor and valve. If you finish flying and you go to vent the thing
> and
> > there is only a very gentle whoosh of air out of it... you've got a
leak.
> >
> > In the YAK-50 and 52's, the original line from the compressor banjo
> fitting
> > to the snot valve is a solid piece with a "coil" in the middle to allow
> > movement of the engine in it's mounts while the solid line is still
> > connected to the snot valve. This line ALWAYS breaks. It's just a
matter
> > of time. A good solution is to replace it with a Sukhoi hose off of a
26
> > model. The line I am talking about is used for injection of oil into
the
> > exhaust manifold (smoke) and is a flex steel line rated for high
pressure.
> > I put one of these in my 50 after the solid line broke.... twice. Of
> course
> > my engine "rubbers" were also very worn at the time which is an obvious
> > reason for the solid line breaking so easily.
> >
> > More than you asked for..... sorry.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Stroud [mailto:davestroud@rogers.com]
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
> >
> > Slobber, snot or worse. I think I've heard them all used in reference to
a
> > discharge device
> > on the Housai or Vendenyev engine installations. Could someone please
> advise
> > where in
> > the system this thing goes and in fact what it is, in simple terms ? I
> > think it's just some
> > type
> > of collector with a drain valve that is opened after the final flight of
> the
> > day to allow
> > accumulated
> > oil frothing stuff a convenient way out of the system. Close? Thanks..
> >
> > David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> > Christavia C-FDWS
> > Fairchild 51 early construction
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
Yeah. Your grandkids will probably have to have their implanted chips
"activated" with a Microsoft server connection within 15 days of the
delivery room or they will expire. And subsequent to that whenever they
have a major medical operation such as hip replacement, since their original
hardware signature will have changed.
Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Davis
>
I'm hoping my grandkids will
> be able to walk the streets without electronic passport
> embedded in their skull.
>
> And they referred to the '90s as the decade of lowered expectations.
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| Subject: | A proper way to land your Yak |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
See for yourself, very effective !
http://www.yakkes.com/downloads/yak-52.wmv
Jerome
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| Subject: | Re: A proper way to land your Yak |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "B.Reade Genzlinger" <reade@genzlinger.net>
That has to be Gena Elfimov!!
-----Original message-----
From: "Jerome Van der Schaar" jvds30@hotmail.com
Subject: Yak-List: A proper way to land your Yak
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
>
> See for yourself, very effective !
>
> http://www.yakkes.com/downloads/yak-52.wmv
>
> Jerome
>
>
>
>
>
>
Reade
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| Subject: | Re: A proper way to land your Yak |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
It is..
>From: "B.Reade Genzlinger" <reade@genzlinger.net>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: A proper way to land your Yak
>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:20:08 -0400
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "B.Reade Genzlinger" <reade@genzlinger.net>
>
>That has to be Gena Elfimov!!
>
>
>-----Original message-----
>From: "Jerome Van der Schaar" jvds30@hotmail.com
>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:06:44 -0400
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: A proper way to land your Yak
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van der Schaar"
><jvds30@hotmail.com>
> >
> > See for yourself, very effective !
> >
> > http://www.yakkes.com/downloads/yak-52.wmv
> >
> > Jerome
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>Reade
>
>
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| Subject: | A proper way to land your Yak |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
That's Gena misbehaving again.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerome Van der
Schaar
Subject: Yak-List: A proper way to land your Yak
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van der Schaar"
--> <jvds30@hotmail.com>
See for yourself, very effective !
http://www.yakkes.com/downloads/yak-52.wmv
Jerome
==
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
==
==
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| Subject: | A proper way to land your Yak |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
Does anybody has digital video stuff from the Yak which I may use for my
database?
Please sent it to info@yakkes.com
Looking forward to it and thank you in advance.
Jerome
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| Subject: | Pardon my terminology |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Thank you Brian, that is (as you already knew) exactly correct and you
explained it much better than I could have. I have a bad habit of writing a
book when a simple one line answer is all that is needed.
Mark
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:brianl@lloyd.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Ron Davis wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> Could you elaborate on how a coil tames a pressure spike?
Yes. When you coil a tube you reduce its volume slightly. When the
pressure spike occurs the tube straightens and expands slightly, increasing
the volume and absorbing the spike to some extent. This is more of an issue
with incompressible fluids where a tiny change in volume will result in a
huge change in pressure.
This characteristic is also used in pressure gauges. The Bourdon tube
pressure gauge has a coiled up tube that is sealed on one end with the
pressure admitted to the other. A mechanical linkage measure the degree of
"uncurling" and transfers it to the indicator.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Murphy <waltmurphy@charter.net>
I'm looking for a new or good used rear stick boot to fit a CJ-6A anyone
know of a source ?
thanks,
Walt
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| Subject: | Re: Political rant (Was: 52td) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
I regularly get flight following and I fly close to the DC area. However,
frequently they are too busy to take you or drop you in the middle of the
flight.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Halverson" <william@netpros.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Political rant (Was: 52td)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Halverson <william@netpros.net>
>
> At 08:46 PM 6/13/2004, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
> >
> >All ranting aside, things have changed and there are confusing and
> >conflicting rules that affect our ability to fly "safely." In this case I
> >use the term 'safely' to mean "safe from enforcement action against a
> >pilot," as well as physical safety. Now TSA pops up TFRs all over. They
> >could pop one up after you are in the air and could yank your ticket
> >should you violate one. This makes getting flight following from ATC
> >almost a necessity. At a bare minimum it probably requires multiple
calls
> >to Flight Watch over the course of a cross-country leg.
>
> Not sure why one would _not_ routinely get flight following, assuming you
> are properly equipped ... I've had a couple of close calls that ATC
> prevented from being last calls ... even during aero practice, I try to
> keep flight following doing ...
>
> Bill Halverson
> YAK-55
> N355YK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Ernie,
Note, I speak for myself, not any company/country/organization.
As far as I know, the basing at MTW "during" the show, is not an "offical"
location, it is just that many want to stay there rather than stay at Osh.
The first 2 years I stayed at Osh at a house that was shared among many
people. While that was great, what was not great was the long lines in and
out of OSH, the long (1.5 hour+) wait for dinner, etc. I find staying at
MTW, cheaper, easier, and more fun that staying on the field at OSH. I get
to fly during the day, fly in and see the show, and then fly back to MTW for
quick meal with great people. Notice the flying part? last year at OSH,
between the trip back and forth and the time at MTW/OSH I logged 36.5 hours
of flight in 10 days and all but 2 were in formation. I LOVED IT. Sorry,
your milege may vary.
I believe your point is moot. The prep time (before OSH start) at MTW is
the only "offical" gathering. After that folks are able to stay in OSH,
MTW, or anywhere else. Just be at the brief if they want to fly in the show
and talk to other RPA folks that are staying at the show for the "local"
activities for that night. Someone who is in charge/knows for sure please
correct me if I'm passing bad data. You get to chose where you want to be.
I'm glad you mentioned the getting together part. I love flying, and I love
hanging around with great people. Many of the folks in this organization
are great fun to be with and I learn a hell of a lot from watching, talking,
and their instruction. I agree, OSH & SnF are a great opportunity to hang
out and have a great time.
As to formation training for new guys, or guys close to their patch. I see
nothing wrong with getting more time while people get ready for their patch,
or a few formation sorties with instructors willing to ride/teach. I expect
that there is time for it, regardless of the mission (mass formation) at
MTW. However, I think the folks want to set the expectation that Mass
Formation is the focus, other things can happen if there is time. I'd like
to get my lead patch some day, but it will not happen at a future OSH/SnF
gathering unless there is extra time. So I'll see if I can get it at a
local event.
I'll leave it up to other to talk about the rest of your email.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> I think you missed my point Mike.
>
> I wasnt suggesting we stage a week earlier, I dont have 2 weeks either, I
> barely have 1 week. I usually show up during the latter part of the week,
> usually Thurs Fri and Sat. And I generally have to fly commercial to OSH.
>
> Now If I want to participate in the mass formations, I MUST stage out in
the
> boonies, if I want to enjoy the activities at the event and stay local to
> the event, I CANT fly with you guys. And if I fly commercial to OSH, I may
> as well be a T-34 guy as far as you all are concerned. Last year I
searched
> high and low to just say hello to you guys, and never found you.
>
> You arent providing training for FNG's, so my question was, "Why must you
> fly so many sorties, which requires you to stage out of somewhere else?"
> Regarding my comparison to the other clubs, I was merely tying to point
out
> that they stay local AND fly in the mass formations. Is RPA's attendance
at
> S&F and OSH strictly to fly in the show?
>
> If it is true that the majority of RPA members prefer to stay off field,
> then my point is moot. Is this in fact the case? Most people show up cause
> they have no choice if they want to go to this event as an RPA member.
Have
> we ever asked if this is what people want? We have a lot of new members,
> maybe we should ask. I saw a lot of CJ's and Yaks this year at S&F that
> didnt stage with you guys. Maybe we'd have greater participation in this
org
> if we were all at the same place. I was the only Jet that showed up at
> Winterhaven, and that didnt work out very well at all. Should I organise
Jet
> gatherings separate from the Yak and CJ gatherings at these 2 venues?
Should
> the Wilga and IAR guys do their own thing? How about the Yak 18T or the
Acro
> guys, do they create their own agendas? Kinda defeats the purpose of a RPA
> being all inclusive, might as well have different clubs. Did we make a
> mistake in changing from YPA to RPA? Do we want to be mainly a formation
> club for CJ's and Yak 52's? These arent bad things, but I think that we
need
> to be clear of our mission.
>
> I just organised a BFM clinic here at Leeward Air Ranch over Memorial Day
> weekend, when I mentioned it on the yak-list all I got was a bunch of flak
> from several members. I then limited my communication to those folks who
> were interested in participating, and we had a great SAFE time. I have
> participated in just about every formation clinic that has staged in my
> area. I have had numerous conversations with several people regarding how
> you can improve the clubs website. I dont think my participation in the
club
> is the issue here. But if the answer to any of my concerns is to just go
out
> and do it myself, then whats the point of belonging to RPA. At some point
> there needs to be a group conscience. The last time we voted on anything
was
> for the name change.
>
> For me, these 2 yearly events are to go and have fun with our fellow
pilots
> and congregate at a central location which to me is either the S&F or OSH
> airports. Formation flying is only part of the fun. I want to fly in the
> mass formations, I also want to walk around the place and see the sites,
eat
> the food, do some shopping, and hang out with all the other warbird
people.
> The way it is organised currently, if you dont stage out of the remote
> field, then for all intents and purposes you arent part of RPA during that
> event. And if you show up at the remote field with something other than a
> Yak 52 or a CJ, then you are just a visitor. To just tell me that if I
dont
> want to fly formation I should just go stay where I want, is tantamount to
> telling me to go pound sand.
>
> Bottom line, I feel that the spirit of RPA is completely lost at these 2
> great events. This may be the only chance most of us have to get together
> with our fellow members. I dont know how many RPA members there are out
> there who do not own Yak 52's or CJ's and who even care if they get to
hang
> out with the membership during these events. If this is a small number,
and
> the majority of the membership prefers the status quo, then I'll shut up,
> and just do my own thing. Otherwise I'd like to hear from the rest of the
> peanut gallery.
>
> Ernie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MFilucci@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: FAST clinics
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/13/04 7:24:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > ernest.martinez@oracle.com writes:
> >
> > I dont understand why you cant practice 1 day from some other airport
> nearby
> > then stage out of OSH or S&F. I just dont like the idea of spending
the
> > entire event off field.
> >
> >
> > Ernie,
> > You have to understand that while you don't like operating out of a
remote
> > field, there are many members who prefer it. They like it because there
is
> no
> > traffic, no congestion, no waiting in line for dinner every night, and
> they
> > can launch a sortie whenever they want to, with no fuss and no
convoluted
> taxi
> > and departure. Since the warbird airshow normally only takes place on 3
of
> > the days, it still allows plenty of time to spend on the ground at
> S&F/OSH. As
> > I said before, no one is required to fly all or any of the warbird
> fly-bys --
> > guys do it because they like to participate.
> >
> > Yes, NATA and other signatories have a week-long session prior to
S&F/OSH
> > but the biggest complaint I have gotten in the past from our members is
> that
> > they don't have 2 weeks to devote to either S&F or OSH -- they are
> oftentimes
> > hard-pressed to get a full week off.
> >
> > If you want to organize a week-long practice prior to S&F or OSH there
is
> > nothing in this world that is stopping you -- have at it! You have the
> regional
> > coordinators who can provide you with contact info to help you get
> started.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
At 12:47 PM 6/13/2004, Brian Lloyd wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
>Barry Hancock wrote:
>
>
>Well, George W. lost my vote with that one. Kerry is a spoiled limousine
>liberal trying to be JFK. Who the hell can I vote for now?
Mike Badnarik! Now wouldn't that light a fire in DC? ;-)
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