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1. 12:37 AM - proper way to land (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
2. 01:02 AM - Re: proper way to land (soren@dolriis.com)
3. 01:02 AM - Re: proper way to land (soren@dolriis.com)
4. 03:31 AM - Re: A proper way to land your Yak (Gus Fraser)
5. 03:32 AM - Re: FAST clinics (Gus Fraser)
6. 05:23 AM - FAST clinics survey (MFilucci@aol.com)
7. 06:39 AM - Re: FAST clinics survey (Ernie Martinez)
8. 07:08 AM - RPA and Events (Drew Blahnick)
9. 07:37 AM - RPA and Events Pt II (Drew Blahnick)
10. 07:49 AM - Re: [SPAM] - Re: proper way to land - Email found in (Jay Land)
11. 07:51 AM - RPA Events (Drew Blahnick)
12. 07:54 AM - RPA Events pt iii (Drew Blahnick)
13. 07:57 AM - You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! (Russell Johnson)
14. 08:12 AM - FAST clinics survey (MFilucci@aol.com)
15. 08:35 AM - Re: FAST clinics survey (Terry Calloway)
16. 12:37 PM - Re: FAST clinics survey (ByronMFox@aol.com)
17. 12:46 PM - Re: OSH/MTW (WSC/Herb Coussons)
18. 01:02 PM - Re: RPA and Events (ByronMFox@aol.com)
19. 01:48 PM - FAST clinics survey (MFilucci@aol.com)
20. 03:29 PM - Re: Pardon my terminology (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
21. 03:34 PM - Re: FAST clinics survey (Drew Blahnick)
22. 04:08 PM - Re: FAST clinics survey (Drew Blahnick)
23. 04:23 PM - Canopy and pitot covers (Kelley Monroe)
24. 04:30 PM - Re: RPA and Events (Frank Haertlein)
25. 04:36 PM - Re: FAST clinics survey (Gus Fraser)
26. 04:41 PM - Re: FAST clinics survey (Gus Fraser)
27. 04:48 PM - Re: Canopy and pitot covers (Drew Blahnick)
28. 04:51 PM - Re: Canopy and pitot covers (Brian Lloyd)
29. 05:35 PM - Re: FAST clinics (Steve & Donna Hanshew)
30. 05:40 PM - Re: FAST clinics survey (Ernie)
31. 06:07 PM - Re: FAST clinics survey (Yak52)
32. 08:04 PM - Not me, man (Barry Hancock)
33. 08:53 PM - Re: RPA and Events (Sam Sax)
34. 09:33 PM - Re: FAST clinics survey (Drew Blahnick)
35. 09:38 PM - Re: FAST clinics (Drew Blahnick)
36. 11:14 PM - Re: Not me, man (Roy O. Wright)
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| Subject: | proper way to land |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
I don't recommend this method of landing. You need to be very sure of speeds &
height which you can control but the one you cant or see is wind sheer esp. dangerous
at low level/ speed, exacerbated by trees and obstacles. . On top of that
I suspect that flap limit speed is being exceeded to avoid the stall, 4 G
stall is 210 kph. If you do insist on doing this pull up down wind and land into
wind!! (note the wind sock and the hot landing)
Long live Genna, he's had some close calls on the way I have seen.
MJ
See for yourself, very effective !
http://www.yakkes.com/downloads/yak-52.wmv
Jerome
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| Subject: | Re: proper way to land |
--> Yak-List message posted by: soren@dolriis.com
Hi gents...
In Denmark/Sweden we call this landing a "Ljungbyhed-Landing" (Lungbyhed,
military flying school since 1915!!!. Take care. It killed two highly qulified
pilots during the last decade.
Please: Find more safe ways to fly unsafe....
Best regards
Sren Dolriis /Denmark
Citat Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd <mark.j@yakuk.com>:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd"
> <mark.j@yakuk.com>
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> I don't recommend this method of landing. You need to be very sure of speeds
> & height which you can control but the one you cant or see is wind sheer esp.
> dangerous at low level/ speed, exacerbated by trees and obstacles. . On top
> of that I suspect that flap limit speed is being exceeded to avoid the stall,
> 4 G stall is 210 kph. If you do insist on doing this pull up down wind and
> land into wind!! (note the wind sock and the hot landing)
>
> Long live Genna, he's had some close calls on the way I have seen.
> MJ
>
> See for yourself, very effective !
>
> http://www.yakkes.com/downloads/yak-52.wmv
>
> Jerome
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| Subject: | Re: proper way to land |
--> Yak-List message posted by: soren@dolriis.com
Hi gents...
In Denmark/Sweden we call this landing a "Ljungbyhed-Landing" (Lungbyhed,
military flying school since 1915!!!. Take care. It killed two highly qulified
pilots during the last decade.
Please: Find more safe ways to fly unsafe....
Best regards
Sren Dolriis /Denmark
Citat Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd <mark.j@yakuk.com>:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd"
> <mark.j@yakuk.com>
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> I don't recommend this method of landing. You need to be very sure of speeds
> & height which you can control but the one you cant or see is wind sheer esp.
> dangerous at low level/ speed, exacerbated by trees and obstacles. . On top
> of that I suspect that flap limit speed is being exceeded to avoid the stall,
> 4 G stall is 210 kph. If you do insist on doing this pull up down wind and
> land into wind!! (note the wind sock and the hot landing)
>
> Long live Genna, he's had some close calls on the way I have seen.
> MJ
>
> See for yourself, very effective !
>
> http://www.yakkes.com/downloads/yak-52.wmv
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> Jerome
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| Subject: | A proper way to land your Yak |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
rtsp://avion.propagation.net/gusfraser/addicted_web.ra
Try this one.
Gus Fraser
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerome Van der
Schaar
Subject: RE: Yak-List: A proper way to land your Yak
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
Does anybody has digital video stuff from the Yak which I may use for my
database?
Please sent it to info@yakkes.com
Looking forward to it and thank you in advance.
Jerome
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Ok then folks, obviously inquiring minds want to know, me as much as anyone
so here goes. At the link below you will see another of my famous surveys.
If you have a strong view about this please go and vote.
At OSH and SunNFun, what format would you prefer ?
- Base at the main event and 'visit' an RPA event away from the main site.
- Base at another airfield and occasionally fly into the main event.
- Just go to the main event and do my own thing, RPA events are for another
day.
The link for the survey is http://gusfraser.com/surveysays/whattodo.cgi
Have fun.
In the words of Red Addair "Light blue touch paper, and retire"
Gus
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernie
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I think you missed my point Mike.
I wasnt suggesting we stage a week earlier, I dont have 2 weeks either, I
barely have 1 week. I usually show up during the latter part of the week,
usually Thurs Fri and Sat. And I generally have to fly commercial to OSH.
Now If I want to participate in the mass formations, I MUST stage out in the
boonies, if I want to enjoy the activities at the event and stay local to
the event, I CANT fly with you guys. And if I fly commercial to OSH, I may
as well be a T-34 guy as far as you all are concerned. Last year I searched
high and low to just say hello to you guys, and never found you.
You arent providing training for FNG's, so my question was, "Why must you
fly so many sorties, which requires you to stage out of somewhere else?"
Regarding my comparison to the other clubs, I was merely tying to point out
that they stay local AND fly in the mass formations. Is RPA's attendance at
S&F and OSH strictly to fly in the show?
If it is true that the majority of RPA members prefer to stay off field,
then my point is moot. Is this in fact the case? Most people show up cause
they have no choice if they want to go to this event as an RPA member. Have
we ever asked if this is what people want? We have a lot of new members,
maybe we should ask. I saw a lot of CJ's and Yaks this year at S&F that
didnt stage with you guys. Maybe we'd have greater participation in this org
if we were all at the same place. I was the only Jet that showed up at
Winterhaven, and that didnt work out very well at all. Should I organise Jet
gatherings separate from the Yak and CJ gatherings at these 2 venues? Should
the Wilga and IAR guys do their own thing? How about the Yak 18T or the Acro
guys, do they create their own agendas? Kinda defeats the purpose of a RPA
being all inclusive, might as well have different clubs. Did we make a
mistake in changing from YPA to RPA? Do we want to be mainly a formation
club for CJ's and Yak 52's? These arent bad things, but I think that we need
to be clear of our mission.
I just organised a BFM clinic here at Leeward Air Ranch over Memorial Day
weekend, when I mentioned it on the yak-list all I got was a bunch of flak
from several members. I then limited my communication to those folks who
were interested in participating, and we had a great SAFE time. I have
participated in just about every formation clinic that has staged in my
area. I have had numerous conversations with several people regarding how
you can improve the clubs website. I dont think my participation in the club
is the issue here. But if the answer to any of my concerns is to just go out
and do it myself, then whats the point of belonging to RPA. At some point
there needs to be a group conscience. The last time we voted on anything was
for the name change.
For me, these 2 yearly events are to go and have fun with our fellow pilots
and congregate at a central location which to me is either the S&F or OSH
airports. Formation flying is only part of the fun. I want to fly in the
mass formations, I also want to walk around the place and see the sites, eat
the food, do some shopping, and hang out with all the other warbird people.
The way it is organised currently, if you dont stage out of the remote
field, then for all intents and purposes you arent part of RPA during that
event. And if you show up at the remote field with something other than a
Yak 52 or a CJ, then you are just a visitor. To just tell me that if I dont
want to fly formation I should just go stay where I want, is tantamount to
telling me to go pound sand.
Bottom line, I feel that the spirit of RPA is completely lost at these 2
great events. This may be the only chance most of us have to get together
with our fellow members. I dont know how many RPA members there are out
there who do not own Yak 52's or CJ's and who even care if they get to hang
out with the membership during these events. If this is a small number, and
the majority of the membership prefers the status quo, then I'll shut up,
and just do my own thing. Otherwise I'd like to hear from the rest of the
peanut gallery.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <MFilucci@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: FAST clinics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 6/13/04 7:24:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> ernest.martinez@oracle.com writes:
>
> I dont understand why you cant practice 1 day from some other airport
nearby
> then stage out of OSH or S&F. I just dont like the idea of spending the
> entire event off field.
>
>
> Ernie,
> You have to understand that while you don't like operating out of a remote
> field, there are many members who prefer it. They like it because there is
no
> traffic, no congestion, no waiting in line for dinner every night, and
they
> can launch a sortie whenever they want to, with no fuss and no convoluted
taxi
> and departure. Since the warbird airshow normally only takes place on 3 of
> the days, it still allows plenty of time to spend on the ground at
S&F/OSH. As
> I said before, no one is required to fly all or any of the warbird
fly-bys --
> guys do it because they like to participate.
>
> Yes, NATA and other signatories have a week-long session prior to S&F/OSH
> but the biggest complaint I have gotten in the past from our members is
that
> they don't have 2 weeks to devote to either S&F or OSH -- they are
oftentimes
> hard-pressed to get a full week off.
>
> If you want to organize a week-long practice prior to S&F or OSH there is
> nothing in this world that is stopping you -- have at it! You have the
regional
> coordinators who can provide you with contact info to help you get
started.
>
> Mike
>
>
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| Subject: | FAST clinics survey |
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 6/15/04 6:32:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fraseg@comcast.net writes:
Ok then folks, obviously inquiring minds want to know, me as much as anyone
so here goes. At the link below you will see another of my famous surveys.
If you have a strong view about this please go and vote.
At OSH and SunNFun, what format would you prefer ?
- Base at the main event and 'visit' an RPA event away from the main site.
- Base at another airfield and occasionally fly into the main event.
- Just go to the main event and do my own thing, RPA events are for another
day.
Gus,
Your survey is a great idea but if you want it to be meaningful/valid, it
should be limited to those who are actually going to attend OSH this year. Only
about 10% of our total membership ever makes it to OSH each year, and it
tends to be the same pilots each year, give or take.
Regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | FAST clinics survey |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I think the survey is fine the way it is, maybe more people would go if
there was a different format. The only thing I would change is that I
was recommending that we stage out of S&F or OSH but not have to travel
anywhere for RPA.
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
MFilucci@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 6/15/04 6:32:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fraseg@comcast.net writes:
Ok then folks, obviously inquiring minds want to know, me as much as
anyone
so here goes. At the link below you will see another of my famous
surveys.
If you have a strong view about this please go and vote.
At OSH and SunNFun, what format would you prefer ?
- Base at the main event and 'visit' an RPA event away from the main
site.
- Base at another airfield and occasionally fly into the main event.
- Just go to the main event and do my own thing, RPA events are for
another
day.
Gus,
Your survey is a great idea but if you want it to be meaningful/valid,
it
should be limited to those who are actually going to attend OSH this
year. Only
about 10% of our total membership ever makes it to OSH each year, and it
tends to be the same pilots each year, give or take.
Regards,
Mike
==
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==
==
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Members and non-members of the RPA from the association president:
Resending this post in 2 parts, "Events" will be in part II...
I just returned from California and read several posts on events and the RPA
I would like to respond to. I was in California where, after 4 previous
flights in a citabria for the tailwheel sign off and one back seat ride in a
Yak 52TW (thanks Bill) at All Red Star I fully entered the world of the
tailwheels by venturing forth in my recently acquired Yak 50 this weekend.
One Yak 50 driver said I would come down and profess this is the one
aircraft you will keep forever. Well, after rolling and looping outside
Chino and finding the landings an absolute blast in themselves, I'm in
complete agreement....
First the news:
Web: I've been collaborating with our super-talented web manager, Deon, on
the following:
1. In response to our event organizers and members, the event registration
page is now much shorter, is very, very easy to fill out, and gives you the
option to pay now via paypal (credit cards soon) or later at the event
itself! So if you shy away from pre-paying we now have given you that
option. For the organizer, the information collected from the online form
now goes immediately to your e-mail inbox. It is the goal of this
association and each event organizer that 100% of all attendees use online
registration if possible. This process helps these volunteer organizers a
great deal, and for those pre-paying you help us cover the start-up costs
involved in the event.
2. The web home page will very soon be getting a facelift to make it
cleaner, more modern looking and most importantly, much easier to navigate
for those areas you visit most, formation, events, etc.
Print Media:
Please see an excellent write up in the June 2004 issue of In Flight USA
magazine on the RPA and the All Red Star event.
TV:
Thanks to Mark Schricks stealthy and never-ending efforts, the Discovery
Channel will air a "Tactical to Practical" episode featuring the association
and the ARS event (and aircraft!!) to air August 8th. Make sure you catch
this episode, the producer called me yesterday to insure the RPA "focus" is
well covered...
Newsletter:
After several cals for an RPA newsletter publisher, Jim Goolsby has
volunteered and we hope to see the return of the qtrly newsletter. The
newsletter will hopefully be distributed through e-mail just as Air Ventures
is and posted on the web site. Folks who opt for a paper product in the mail
we will support that. If you have an article, submitt it to
admin@flyredstar.org! I will be writing one on my tailwheel conversion to
the Yak 50 I'm sure...
Online Store:
I just sent in the last document requested by the underwriters for our
merchant account; expect store opening in 7 to 10 days based on our web
managers work load. We have some $5500 in product inventory from hangar
flag to patches....
Regional Coordinators:
After taking this position I immediately set out to solve the issue of
increasing training and association operations in your local areas while
decentralizing the organizational structure of the association. Make no
bones about it; my goal is a geographically representative organizational
structure who's leadership comes from folks you personally know and elect.
I've set in motion a system that will eventually meld the RCs and the
Associations Board of Directors - they will become one body as a regionally
representative organizational structure to promote RPA membership at the
regional/local level. RCs are not event organizers, although many are, they
are "managers" and I've asked them to volunteer to help with anything in
their regions that effects the RPA and it's membership. They have access to
the master membership database and you may have received an e-mail from
them, as part of their role is communication. But here is the kicker - the
flow of communication is really from you to them (unless you forget to renew
;). For RPA members, you can identify and e-mail your RC by looking in the
"Member Locator" room of the web site. The RCs would love to here from
their regional membership on the desire for a new event, and would
definitely like to hear from a prospective event organizer/host. The will
help coordinate and "get the word out" on the event to assist getting it off
the ground.
Elections:
We have a Board of Directors position coming up in July due to the natural
term expiration. As the member was from the Southwest Region and I'm
advancing the organizational structure noted above under "Regional
Coordinators", Deon will, o/a July 15th, make online voting a reality for
the RPA. For this Southwest Regional Board seat I would like to hear from
[SW or beyond] members who would like to run - please send a short bio to us
at Drew@flyredstar.org . Please note, although I'm promoting this fair
regional representation and would like to see this seat remain with the SW,
the current by-laws allow this seat, if filled by election, to be filled by
anyone regardless of location. This time next year we will have three more
board positions open.
At this time for the SW I have Barry Hancock as a candidate.
Events next....
Drew Blahnick
RPA 20126
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| Subject: | RPA and Events Pt II |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
From Drew Blahnick
Events:
I founded All Red Star with the help of many here on the list for a specific
reason.
That event was started because I was, and am, too damn
poor and to darn busy to take weeks off to fly my costly (for me) warbird
around the country to "other" events. For me, heading backwards on the
seniority list of a damaged airline that has already cut my pay 23% this
year, I simply can not spend thousands on gas and risk a major maintenance
repair job away from the home base. Flying one hour costs me about the same
as the dinner bill with my girlfriend, and brother, I always plan on having
money for both. I want more events in more locations closer to more RPA
members and I want them in place yesterday.
No we can not make everyone happy with the decisions we make for the
majority - this is especially true for events such as OSH. Let's first
establish one thing: The RPA effort right now in 2004 system wide is
building infrastructure to support growth, from the web to regional
coordinators.
I hope everyone reading this understands this clearly.
I recieve glowing reports from the leadership of
other signatories on the level of activity and vitality being shown in the
RPA; this is not an effort to, as Premier Mao once said about the USA, "to
produce a paper tiger", it is a real effort to organize the efforts and
wishes of the many to produce the desired results. The resulting product is
a well organized growing association that uses modern technology to advance
the planning and implementation of regional events and training operations
from sea to shining sea (and overseas members, you can use all virtual
facilities as well to promote your operations).
Here's one way you can add to the success of this effort:
Always registering online for events so the organizers know who's coming
and can set up the event efficiently. Renewing your membership and/or
becoming a member is also one I should mention ;)
What you want at MTW/OSH should be e-mailed to the North Central RC
responsible for that regional event. You let these folks know in a passive
e-mail that you would like to attend MTW/OSH, but would much prefer to stay
at OSH from Wed to Saturday or other desire. This same communication system
should be played out in all event related dialog where you want your voice
heard by your association concerning events. By the way, the NC RC is Herb
Coussons who is also the principal event organizer of MTW/OSH. I'm
e-mailing him my wishes after spending some time pondering the future of
MTW/OSH and leaving it up to the organizers to use this information
and their capabilities to make the event happen.
FAST at MTW/OSH: Someone mentioned we should have a FAST clinic at MTW/OSH
because the event draws so many inbounds. Unfortunately this position does
not factor in the time crunch, backseater staffing shortage and massive EAA
Air Venture distractors such as mass formation work. But it is correct to
want to "capture" the RPA members who have taken so much time and money out
to attend MTW/OSH and provide them training. Its also very correct to make
MTW/OSH
a major general membership gathering if able - that means a central location
for
all Air Venture attendees regardless of aircraft or flying interest.
I'm sending my solution-suggestion to the NC RC, it deals with making OSH
and possibly
our camper - spot (if we get one) the RPA HQ from Thursday - Sunday (osh
endex). With
MTW the elected fly-in location for training prior to this....
For the record, it's my goal to see local/regional FAST basic training
clinics
in the coming decade sprout-up and "unload" these major EAA events.
But the event organizers of
MTW/OSH make the call on this years event based on staffing and your input.
It comes down to a balance of time and staffing; this is why it's important
for every person who may attend MTW/OSH to convey their desires to the RC
and always, always, always register online for the event.
If we can support
FAST training or at least accomplish a checkride I'm sure we as a collective
organization will go the extra mile to support our own. But having said
that, I am in complete support of mass formation training and presentation
at Oshkosh as the FAST priority in the five days leading up to the closing
bell of Air Venture.
Air Venture is a big fish...this serves our pilots who have made their FAST
qual and
want the ultimate airshow experience and our association. By the way, Herb
and Russ have an aerobatics box and just like at All Red Star, Columbus and
Delaware; there is many more reasons to attend an RPA event than just to
gain a FAST checkride, flying in our community should promote just that -
our community. So bring your best mark-one eyeball for the bomb drop comp
and an empty stomach for the grits...("what's a grit?"). Perhaps 3 days at
MTW
and moving to Osh could happen, but it's all based on volunteers...
"We are getting too big" or "The association is becoming to much like NATA"
or "We are getting too focused on FAST"....
If you will support your associations organizational and technological
evolution, and volunteer where able, you will benefit from more
regional/local small unit operations instead of lessor, but larger, national
events that for many reading this, simply can not take the time and gas to
attend.
Columbus Nebraska is in reality a perfectly located multi-regional
event for folks living immediately East of the Rockies; portions of the NW,
NC and SC (see the regional map at www.flyredstar.org under member locator).
This event is open to anyone in the country to attend; but in the
multi-region I just mentioned we have over 40 members. A perfectly
manageable regional event is about 15-20 aircraft. These smaller localized
events can be "created" by the organizer online in seconds, you can e-mail
the RCs of the event and they can in-turn e-mail the membership directly,
you then can send out a yak list notice, post info to the event forums at
www.rpatalk.com where folks can always go for info and before you know it
you've got a small start-up event. By the way, in a few weeks the RPA kicks
off it's latest regional event, this one at Georgetown Delaware (NE), and
like I said, your events are regional in name only, they may be darn
convenient to the member of that region, but are open to anyone anywhere to
attend! Just use online registration and help out the organizers....
The association has the infrastrucure to help support the local membership,
folks just have to use it. We will continue to tweak the system to make it
easier to use, easier to find, and more manageable...
Fly safe and often,
Drew Blahnick
CJ Wanna-be-again, New-Yak-50-Fanatic, RPA President
"Boomer": Description for when the cordite in the 105MM Howitzer round
suffers an unusual burn pattern that results in a massive concussion and
blinding flash at the tube, scaring the hell out of your gun crew.
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| Subject: | Re: proper way to land - Email found in |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
Split "S"'s and reverse Cubans at low level are probably the most dangerous
stunts you can pull and they have killed a lot of pilots
JL
> From: <soren@dolriis.com>
> Reply-To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:39:31 +0200
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>, "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
> Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Yak-List: proper way to land - Email found in subject
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: soren@dolriis.com
>
> Hi gents...
>
> In Denmark/Sweden we call this landing a "Ljungbyhed-Landing" (Lungbyhed,
> military flying school since 1915!!!. Take care. It killed two highly qulified
> pilots during the last decade.
>
> Please: Find more safe ways to fly unsafe....
>
> Best regards
>
> Sren Dolriis /Denmark
>
>
> Citat Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd <mark.j@yakuk.com>:
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd"
>> <mark.j@yakuk.com>
>>
>> I don't recommend this method of landing. You need to be very sure of speeds
>> & height which you can control but the one you cant or see is wind sheer esp.
>> dangerous at low level/ speed, exacerbated by trees and obstacles. . On top
>> of that I suspect that flap limit speed is being exceeded to avoid the stall,
>> 4 G stall is 210 kph. If you do insist on doing this pull up down wind and
>> land into wind!! (note the wind sock and the hot landing)
>>
>> Long live Genna, he's had some close calls on the way I have seen.
>> MJ
>>
>> See for yourself, very effective !
>>
>> http://www.yakkes.com/downloads/yak-52.wmv
>>
>> Jerome
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
From Drew Blahnick
Pt II: Events:
I founded All Red Star with the help of many here on the list for a specific
reason.
That event was started because I was, and am, too damn
poor and to darn busy to take weeks off to fly my costly (for me) warbird
around the country to "other" events. For me, heading backwards on the
seniority list of a damaged airline that has already cut my pay 23% this
year, I simply can not spend thousands on gas and risk a major maintenance
repair job away from the home base. Flying one hour costs me about the same
as the dinner bill with my girlfriend, and brother, I always plan on having
money for both. I want more events in more locations closer to more RPA
members and I want them in place yesterday.
No we can not make everyone happy with the decisions we make for the
majority - this is especially true for events such as OSH. Let's first
establish one thing: The RPA effort right now in 2004 system wide is
building infrastructure to support growth, from the web to regional
coordinators.
I hope everyone reading this understands this clearly.
I recieve glowing reports from the leadership of
other signatories on the level of activity and vitality being shown in the
RPA; this is not an effort to, as Premier Mao once said about the USA, "to
produce a paper tiger", it is a real effort to organize the efforts and
wishes of the many to produce the desired results. The resulting product is
a well organized growing association that uses modern technology to advance
the planning and implementation of regional events and training operations
from sea to shining sea (and overseas members, you can use all virtual
facilities as well to promote your operations).
Here's one way you can add to the success of this effort:
Always registering online for events so the organizers know who's coming
and can set up the event efficiently. Renewing your membership and/or
becoming a member is also one I should mention ;)
What you want at MTW/OSH should be e-mailed to the North Central RC
responsible for that regional event. You let these folks know in a passive
e-mail that you would like to attend MTW/OSH, but would much prefer to stay
at OSH from Wed to Saturday or other desire. This same communication system
should be played out in all event related dialog where you want your voice
heard by your association concerning events. By the way, the NC RC is Herb
Coussons who is also the principal event organizer of MTW/OSH. I'm
e-mailing him my wishes after spending some time pondering the future of
MTW/OSH and leaving it up to the organizers to use this information
and their capabilities to make the event happen.
Part III Events next....
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| Subject: | RPA Events pt iii |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Part III. Events.
FAST at MTW/OSH: Someone mentioned we should have a FAST clinic at MTW/OSH
because the event draws so many inbounds. Unfortunately this position does
not factor in the time crunch, backseater staffing shortage and massive EAA
Air Venture distractors such as mass formation work. But it is correct to
want to "capture" the RPA members who have taken so much time and money out
to attend MTW/OSH and provide them training. Its also very correct to make
MTW/OSH a major general membership gathering if able - that means a central
location
for all Air Venture attendees regardless of aircraft or flying interest.
I'm sending my solution-suggestion to the NC RC, it deals with making OSH
and possibly our camper - spot (if we get one) the RPA HQ from Thursday -
Sunday (osh
endex). With MTW the elected fly-in location for training prior to
this....There are
significant planning issues for this model, so I will leave it up to the RC
and planners
to consider and help where I can....
For the record, it's my goal to see local/regional FAST basic training
clinics in the coming decade sprout-up and "unload" these major EAA events.
But the event organizers of MTW/OSH make the call on this years event based
on staffing and your input. It comes down to a balance of time and staffing;
This is why it's important for every person who may attend MTW/OSH to
convey their desires to the RC and always, always, always register online
for the event.
If we can support FAST training or at least accomplish a checkride
I'm sure we as a collective organization will go the extra mile to support
our own.
But having said that, I am in complete support of mass formation training
and presentation
at Oshkosh as the FAST priority in the five days leading up to the closing
bell of Air Venture.
Air Venture is a big fish...this serves our pilots who have made their FAST
qual and
want the ultimate airshow experience and our association. By the way, Herb
and Russ have an aerobatics box and just like at All Red Star, Columbus and
Delaware; there is many more reasons to attend an RPA event than just to
gain a FAST checkride, flying in our community should promote just that -
our community. So bring your best mark-one eyeball for the bomb drop comp
and an empty stomach for the grits...("what's a grit?"). Perhaps 3 days at
MTW
and moving to Osh could happen, but it's all based on volunteers...
"We are getting too big" or "The association is becoming to much like NATA"
or "We are getting too focused on FAST"....
If you will support your associations organizational and technological
evolution, and volunteer where able, you will benefit from more
regional/local small unit operations instead of lessor, but larger, national
events that for many reading this, simply can not take the time and gas to
attend.
Columbus Nebraska is in reality a perfectly located multi-regional
event for folks living immediately East of the Rockies; portions of the NW,
NC and SC (see the regional map at www.flyredstar.org under member locator).
This event is open to anyone in the country to attend; but in the
multi-region I just mentioned we have over 40 members. A perfectly
manageable regional event is about 15-20 aircraft. These smaller localized
events can be "created" by the organizer online in seconds, you can e-mail
the RCs of the event and they can in-turn e-mail the membership directly,
you then can send out a yak list notice, post info to the event forums at
www.rpatalk.com where folks can always go for info and before you know it
you've got a small start-up event. By the way, in a few weeks the RPA kicks
off it's latest regional event, this one at Georgetown Delaware (NE), and
like I said, your events are regional in name only, they may be darn
convenient to the member of that region, but are open to anyone anywhere to
attend! Just use online registration and help out the organizers....
The association has the infrastrucure to help support the local membership,
folks just have to use it. We will continue to tweak the system to make it
easier to use, easier to find, and more manageable...
Fly safe and often,
Drew Blahnick
CJ Wanna-be-again, New-Yak-50-Fanatic, RPA President
"Boomer": Description for when the cordite in the 105MM Howitzer round
suffers an unusual burn pattern that results in a massive concussion and
blinding flash at the tube, scaring the hell out of your gun crew.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Russell Johnson <entec1@pld.com>
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| Subject: | FAST clinics survey |
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 6/15/04 9:40:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ernest.martinez@oracle.com writes:
I think the survey is fine the way it is, maybe more people would go if
there was a different format. The only thing I would change is that I
was recommending that we stage out of S&F or OSH but not have to travel
anywhere for RPA.
So here's a hypothetical result of the survey: the 10% who attend every year
vote to stage out of MTW (with its aerobatic box, lack of congestion, etc.,
etc.) and the 90% who never attend vote to stage out of OSH. Are we to drag
the guys who don't want to be at OSH there anyway, based on the survey? The
survey, as presented, is bogus.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics survey |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>Mike wrote:
>Are we to drag
>the guys who don't want to be at OSH there anyway, based on the
survey? The
>survey, as presented, is bogus.
I agree 100% with Mike. The MTW/OSH connection is absolutely the most
comfortable and enjoyable I have ever done. I have been attending
Oshkosh in the double digit years, flown in, drove in, commercialed in,
camped, hoteled, and stayed at Manitowoc.
Given all these choices, I prefer RPA at Manitowoc flying in daily. I
can live without Theater in the Woods.
Just IMO.
tc
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--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
There's an odd element of absoluteness creeping into this discussion - we
absolutely should stage from MTW or absolutely should run it from OSH. There are
abundantly sound reasons for operating mass formations from MTW, and it's fun
to be with the group at what damn near amounts to a private facility. After
the crush of OSH, it's a joy.
On the other hand, I've hung out at OSH for the entire time, and that's fun
too. From year to year, I may pick one or the other, depending on my fancy.
Last year, there were what - 10 or 12 CJs and Y52s on the line at OSH that never
made it to MTW. I don't recall anybody being upset about it. Who's vacation is
it anyway? Yours. Do as you please. ...Blitz
Byron M. Fox
Mill Valley, CA
Nanchang CJ-6A
N221YK
415-307-2405
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "WSC/Herb Coussons" <drc@wscare.com>
Just an update for MTW/OSH.
With all of the banter about plans and sites I thought a reminder of the
current stuff was in order.
I personally like the idea of congregating at MTW for the first few days
then spreading out at OSH or other sites as each person sees fit. Also I
will mention if you really want to be cheap and not do the hotels then
virtually free camping is available at New Holstein - a nice grass strip
just across the lake from OSH - Between MTW and OSH. There will be a
gathering of Super Cubs off site there and the organizer is a good friend -
they usually have quite a night life out there !!
Let me know if we want to organize any particular events while at MTW.
Plans:
Dates: Sat July 24 to Sun Aug 8
Dinner Sat night July 24th compliments of the local EAA Chapter.
Location: Manitowoc MTW
FBO Western Shore Aviation - 920-682-0043
fuel discounts coming - current fuel prices up here
are $2.85 / gal
Hotels: Heritage Inn 920-682-8271 15 rooms being held 2 miles from airport
Reg Price $58 - Group rate $44
Holiday Inn 920-682-6000 10 rooms being held - 5 miles from
airport
Reg Price $148 - Group $110
I would encourage everyone to get their hotels soon - there is a
PGA tournament the week after OSH and the hotels were already filling up
with TV crews for the week of OSH when I called to hold the rooms
Aerobatic Box Waivers - paperwork in the MKE FSDO - should be no problem to
have in time for the whole week over the airfield.
I will post complete info on the forums on the web site so all can see.
Herb
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| Subject: | Re: RPA and Events |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
In a message dated 6/15/04 7:08:45 AM, drewblahnick@hotmail.com writes:
> At this time for the SW I have Barry Hancock as a candidate.
>
My view is that this can be done by acclamation. All those in favor of Barry
as the SW's Board Member say aye. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | FAST clinics survey |
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 6/15/04 3:38:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ByronMFox@aol.com writes:
Last year, there were what - 10 or 12 CJs and Y52s on the line at OSH that
never
made it to MTW. I don't recall anybody being upset about it. Who's vacation
is
it anyway? Yours. Do as you please. ...Blitz
Amen to that, Blitz.
Mike
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| Subject: | Pardon my terminology |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Bob, that is new info to me. I have never seen a 52 configured like that.
Sounds like the best of both worlds to me... still has the coils.... still
has the loops. I wonder if this was a factory job?
I am not sure, but I think it is a good idea to replace the aluminum crush
washers on the banjo fitting each time you take it apart. That, or load it
up with thread-locker. What you had happen to you was identical to what
happened to me. Once you take it apart, it is hard to get it to stay
together again without leaking. I finally did both... replaced the washers,
and loaded it up with thread-locker.... one year now and counting (about 120
hours).
Mark
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Fitzpatrick [mailto:rmfitz@direcway.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Thank you Mark & others for the advice.
Got into the engine over the weekend and found the banjo on the compressor
was leaking. Simply tightening it stopped the leak so maybe we didn't get it
tight enough when we changed compressors about 100hrs ago. At least i don't
need a new line, yet (maybe later Doug).
The conversation here re. the rigid line indicated that it ran directly from
the compressor to the drain valve. On my '93 Yak 52 it makes 2 coils after
leaving the banjo and then connects to a flex hose that attaches to a
fitting riveted to the right side of the firewall. From that fitting a
second rigid pipe goes straight across the firewall to the drain bottle. Are
we all talking about the same configuration? The schematic in the manual
doesn't show this kind of detail.
bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich GS11 Mark G" <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
<BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
>
> Bob, I can make a guess... but I will submit that it is a very educated
one
> and I will give you about a 95% certainty factor!
>
> There are three usual places for a leak... one is the line itself... the
one
> with the coil in it. However, if this cracks, you usually will have a
total
> loss of air pressure and it will NOT be doing what you describe. It will
> just fail to provide any air at all, so it is probably NOT a cracked line.
>
> Next, the snot valve..... VALVE..... might be leaking. This is not very
> common if you are closing it by hand and not using a remote control cable.
> So that is not at the top of my list either.
>
> Lastly.. this: (and this is the most likely!) On the bottom of the
> compressor is a fitting called: A BANJO FITTING. This is a deal that
allows
> the female end to be rotated so that a perfect alignment can be achieved
to
> the solid line with the coil in it that leads over to the snot valve.
THIS
> PUPPY is what develops leaks ALL the time!
>
> It has been my experience that there is only one way to tighten this thing
> properly, and that is to take it completely apart and put it back together
> again one step at a time. Be advised... this thing has compression
washers
> in it made of aluminum. You need the proper washers.... and it helps to
> keep a spare set laying around. Check George Coy, or who ever your
favorite
> parts guy is for a set of these. Ask for the aluminum wasters for the
> compressor banjo fitting.
>
> Typically, the air leaks around the threads where the whole actual fitting
> tightens into the compressor assembly itself. Yes, it can leak at other
> areas too... but the above has happened to me more times than I can count.
> You have to remove the bottom bolt... and this will allow the banjo
looking
> piece to SLIDE directly off the rest of the piece. BE CAREFUL... there
are
> washers in here... and you need to keep careful track of where they go for
> reassembly! CAREFUL!
>
> Once the banjo fitting is removed, you can use a deep well socket wrench
to
> screw out the rest of the piece. My advice? Clean all the threads off
and
> then use a thread LOCKER on the thing. Just this one piece. Using thread
> locker and new washer, put it back on. I do not know the exact torque
that
> is called for... but I tried tight... and that didn't work. I then tried
> very tight... and that was better. I then tried TIGHT AS HELL WITHOUT
> STRIPPING THE DARN THING... and that has finally lasted about a year or
> more!
>
> After that is done, put your banjo piece back on along with the washers
and
> bottom bolt. Tighten it up just where it can still be rotated easily...
> THEN attach the rigid line leading over to the snot valve and get it
FAIRLY
> tight. After THAT, tighten the bottom Banjo fitting bolt all the way,
being
> careful not to allow rotation that would bend and crack the line leading
to
> the snot valve. After that fully tighten the #5 line going to the Banjo
> from snot valve.
>
> Some might argue to not put the rigid line on before having the BANJO all
> the way tightened. That is your call... but getting the banjo perfectly
> tight and having it perfectly aligned to the rigid line at the same time
is
> rather vexing... to put it mildly.
>
> Lastly... there is a way to check to see if this is where the leak is...
> first, look for some snot around the banjo fitting. Black to brown
looking
> goo all around it. If you have a source of higher pressure air, you can
> reverse feed air back to the compressor. Simply pull the fitting off of
the
> snot valve and hook to a source of 700 psi air. Turn on and listen for
> leaks with the engine NOT running. There is a check valve in the
compressor
> to keep it from getting back that far. You should now easily identify the
> leak.
>
> Also.... once you have the line disconnected from the banjo fitting, take
it
> off from the snot valve as well and give it a careful inspection. Just
for
> the sake of ... why not... it's right there anyway!
>
> As for the Sukhoi Flex line.... I got mine from Vladimir Yastremski. I
got
> it after looking over Hubie Tolsons SU-26MX and seeing a line in it that
> looked the perfect length.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mark
> N50YK
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Fitzpatrick [mailto:rmfitz@direcway.com]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
>
> Great time for this discussion, mine is leaking. System keeps good
pressure
> in flight but the drain only dribbles whereas it used to blast back to the
> tail. I have to hurry out of the cockpit to get anything out of it, so
when
> we open it up to check with soap time will a factor. Any suggestions where
> to check first? Where do you get the replacement Sukhoi hose?
> Thanx.
> bob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bitterlich GS11 Mark G" <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
> <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
> >
> > The "snot" valve is typically mounted right AFTER the engine driven air
> > compressor and is secured to the engine firewall. It consists of a
small
> > collection "tank" that allows moisture ... along with some oil to
condense
> > in the tank. A valve allows the tank to be vented to outside air, and
> this
> > accumulated oil/moisture mixture comes out of a small line, the result
> being
> > a burst of nasty looking stuff that looks remarkably like.... well, you
> get
> > the idea. The oil in the air is a function of the compressor leaking a
> > little engine oil past it's seals as the air is being compressed. Engine
> oil
> > combined with water gives you a brown looking.... mess.
> >
> > There is no check valve between the compressor and the snot valve, thus
> > giving the owner a good idea of how "tight" the lines are between the
> > compressor and valve. If you finish flying and you go to vent the thing
> and
> > there is only a very gentle whoosh of air out of it... you've got a
leak.
> >
> > In the YAK-50 and 52's, the original line from the compressor banjo
> fitting
> > to the snot valve is a solid piece with a "coil" in the middle to allow
> > movement of the engine in it's mounts while the solid line is still
> > connected to the snot valve. This line ALWAYS breaks. It's just a
matter
> > of time. A good solution is to replace it with a Sukhoi hose off of a
26
> > model. The line I am talking about is used for injection of oil into
the
> > exhaust manifold (smoke) and is a flex steel line rated for high
pressure.
> > I put one of these in my 50 after the solid line broke.... twice. Of
> course
> > my engine "rubbers" were also very worn at the time which is an obvious
> > reason for the solid line breaking so easily.
> >
> > More than you asked for..... sorry.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Stroud [mailto:davestroud@rogers.com]
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Pardon my terminology
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
> >
> > Slobber, snot or worse. I think I've heard them all used in reference to
a
> > discharge device
> > on the Housai or Vendenyev engine installations. Could someone please
> advise
> > where in
> > the system this thing goes and in fact what it is, in simple terms ? I
> > think it's just some
> > type
> > of collector with a drain valve that is opened after the final flight of
> the
> > day to allow
> > accumulated
> > oil frothing stuff a convenient way out of the system. Close? Thanks..
> >
> > David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> > Christavia C-FDWS
> > Fairchild 51 early construction
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Again folks, I urge you, if you are going to MTW or OSH, to write the NC RC
(Herb) and let him know your wishes directly, and suggestions.
I'm going to have a conference call with Herb and others on the MTW/OSH team
later this month to discuss your e-mails, among other things.
Drew Blahnick
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Folks,
I've loaded a survey for RPA members on www.flyredstar.org ("polls")
directed at those who have previously attended MTW and/or heading there this
year.
The poll is informational only for the RC to capture what sentiment is out
there on this event...
Drew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
>
> Again folks, I urge you, if you are going to MTW or OSH, to write the NC
RC
> (Herb) and let him know your wishes directly, and suggestions.
>
> I'm going to have a conference call with Herb and others on the MTW/OSH
team
> later this month to discuss your e-mails, among other things.
>
> Drew Blahnick
>
>
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| Subject: | Canopy and pitot covers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kelley Monroe" <kelmonroe@comcast.net>
Who makes the best covers for CJs?
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Aye!
All those in favor of Barry as the SW's Board Member say aye.
...Blitz
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
So many things in life are bogus but we still accept them :)
Mike I just did this because the conversation was just going around in
circles.
If your figures are right that just 10% of members go then do you not see
that as a problem ?
Maybe, just maybe, knowing what the masses want may make attendance more
palatable ?
I could be wrong though, I usually am.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
MFilucci@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 6/15/04 9:40:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ernest.martinez@oracle.com writes:
I think the survey is fine the way it is, maybe more people would go if
there was a different format. The only thing I would change is that I
was recommending that we stage out of S&F or OSH but not have to travel
anywhere for RPA.
So here's a hypothetical result of the survey: the 10% who attend every
year
vote to stage out of MTW (with its aerobatic box, lack of congestion, etc.,
etc.) and the 90% who never attend vote to stage out of OSH. Are we to drag
the guys who don't want to be at OSH there anyway, based on the survey? The
survey, as presented, is bogus.
Mike
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
If you build it they will come :)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Drew Blahnick
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Folks,
I've loaded a survey for RPA members on www.flyredstar.org ("polls")
directed at those who have previously attended MTW and/or heading there this
year.
The poll is informational only for the RC to capture what sentiment is out
there on this event...
Drew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
>
> Again folks, I urge you, if you are going to MTW or OSH, to write the NC
RC
> (Herb) and let him know your wishes directly, and suggestions.
>
> I'm going to have a conference call with Herb and others on the MTW/OSH
team
> later this month to discuss your e-mails, among other things.
>
> Drew Blahnick
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy and pitot covers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Best covers for the pitot are provided by the RPA, these P-Covers are
slick - when the online store opens soon it will have pictures. Nothing
like them...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelley Monroe" <kelmonroe@comcast.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Canopy and pitot covers
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kelley Monroe" <kelmonroe@comcast.net>
>
> Who makes the best covers for CJs?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Canopy and pitot covers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Kelley Monroe wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kelley Monroe" <kelmonroe@comcast.net>
>
> Who makes the best covers for CJs?
Bruce's Custom Covers in San Jose, CA.
I have used his covers on several of my airplanes including my CJ6A. He modified
the one for my Comanche free-of-charge even after I had owned it for several
years and he made some free repairs even though it had gone past its reasonable
lifetime. I eventually bought another. I recommend him highly.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve & Donna Hanshew" <dhanshew@cinci.rr.com>
You know, the best time we ever had was in Hot Springs, South Dakota at the
first "Yak" gathering. We even had a T-34 among us! (yikes...)
I always thought Fred Ihlenberg's original intent for the group was that
everyone just get together and have a good time for a week. That included
formation flying, aerobatic box, fly outs, dinner together and whatever made
your vacation with the Yak folks a fun one. We met so many great people
there! And, we had such a great time. (hmmm... I don't even think we wore
flight suits ALL week!)
That's what it was all about - having fun with old friends and meeting new
friends, right?
I just wonder what Fred would think about all of this now?
Best Regards,
Donna Hanshew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> I think you missed my point Mike.
>
> I wasnt suggesting we stage a week earlier, I dont have 2 weeks either, I
> barely have 1 week. I usually show up during the latter part of the week,
> usually Thurs Fri and Sat. And I generally have to fly commercial to OSH.
>
> Now If I want to participate in the mass formations, I MUST stage out in
the
> boonies, if I want to enjoy the activities at the event and stay local to
> the event, I CANT fly with you guys. And if I fly commercial to OSH, I may
> as well be a T-34 guy as far as you all are concerned. Last year I
searched
> high and low to just say hello to you guys, and never found you.
>
> You arent providing training for FNG's, so my question was, "Why must you
> fly so many sorties, which requires you to stage out of somewhere else?"
> Regarding my comparison to the other clubs, I was merely tying to point
out
> that they stay local AND fly in the mass formations. Is RPA's attendance
at
> S&F and OSH strictly to fly in the show?
>
> If it is true that the majority of RPA members prefer to stay off field,
> then my point is moot. Is this in fact the case? Most people show up cause
> they have no choice if they want to go to this event as an RPA member.
Have
> we ever asked if this is what people want? We have a lot of new members,
> maybe we should ask. I saw a lot of CJ's and Yaks this year at S&F that
> didnt stage with you guys. Maybe we'd have greater participation in this
org
> if we were all at the same place. I was the only Jet that showed up at
> Winterhaven, and that didnt work out very well at all. Should I organise
Jet
> gatherings separate from the Yak and CJ gatherings at these 2 venues?
Should
> the Wilga and IAR guys do their own thing? How about the Yak 18T or the
Acro
> guys, do they create their own agendas? Kinda defeats the purpose of a RPA
> being all inclusive, might as well have different clubs. Did we make a
> mistake in changing from YPA to RPA? Do we want to be mainly a formation
> club for CJ's and Yak 52's? These arent bad things, but I think that we
need
> to be clear of our mission.
>
> I just organised a BFM clinic here at Leeward Air Ranch over Memorial Day
> weekend, when I mentioned it on the yak-list all I got was a bunch of flak
> from several members. I then limited my communication to those folks who
> were interested in participating, and we had a great SAFE time. I have
> participated in just about every formation clinic that has staged in my
> area. I have had numerous conversations with several people regarding how
> you can improve the clubs website. I dont think my participation in the
club
> is the issue here. But if the answer to any of my concerns is to just go
out
> and do it myself, then whats the point of belonging to RPA. At some point
> there needs to be a group conscience. The last time we voted on anything
was
> for the name change.
>
> For me, these 2 yearly events are to go and have fun with our fellow
pilots
> and congregate at a central location which to me is either the S&F or OSH
> airports. Formation flying is only part of the fun. I want to fly in the
> mass formations, I also want to walk around the place and see the sites,
eat
> the food, do some shopping, and hang out with all the other warbird
people.
> The way it is organised currently, if you dont stage out of the remote
> field, then for all intents and purposes you arent part of RPA during that
> event. And if you show up at the remote field with something other than a
> Yak 52 or a CJ, then you are just a visitor. To just tell me that if I
dont
> want to fly formation I should just go stay where I want, is tantamount to
> telling me to go pound sand.
>
> Bottom line, I feel that the spirit of RPA is completely lost at these 2
> great events. This may be the only chance most of us have to get together
> with our fellow members. I dont know how many RPA members there are out
> there who do not own Yak 52's or CJ's and who even care if they get to
hang
> out with the membership during these events. If this is a small number,
and
> the majority of the membership prefers the status quo, then I'll shut up,
> and just do my own thing. Otherwise I'd like to hear from the rest of the
> peanut gallery.
>
> Ernie
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MFilucci@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: FAST clinics
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 6/13/04 7:24:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > ernest.martinez@oracle.com writes:
> >
> > I dont understand why you cant practice 1 day from some other airport
> nearby
> > then stage out of OSH or S&F. I just dont like the idea of spending
the
> > entire event off field.
> >
> >
> > Ernie,
> > You have to understand that while you don't like operating out of a
remote
> > field, there are many members who prefer it. They like it because there
is
> no
> > traffic, no congestion, no waiting in line for dinner every night, and
> they
> > can launch a sortie whenever they want to, with no fuss and no
convoluted
> taxi
> > and departure. Since the warbird airshow normally only takes place on 3
of
> > the days, it still allows plenty of time to spend on the ground at
> S&F/OSH. As
> > I said before, no one is required to fly all or any of the warbird
> fly-bys --
> > guys do it because they like to participate.
> >
> > Yes, NATA and other signatories have a week-long session prior to
S&F/OSH
> > but the biggest complaint I have gotten in the past from our members is
> that
> > they don't have 2 weeks to devote to either S&F or OSH -- they are
> oftentimes
> > hard-pressed to get a full week off.
> >
> > If you want to organize a week-long practice prior to S&F or OSH there
is
> > nothing in this world that is stopping you -- have at it! You have the
> regional
> > coordinators who can provide you with contact info to help you get
> started.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I went and looked and couldnt find "Polls". Also it keeps NOT remembering
me, (is that a hint?) and I cant remember the login number assigned to me.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
>
> Folks,
>
> I've loaded a survey for RPA members on www.flyredstar.org ("polls")
> directed at those who have previously attended MTW and/or heading there
this
> year.
>
> The poll is informational only for the RC to capture what sentiment is out
> there on this event...
>
> Drew
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick"
<drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Again folks, I urge you, if you are going to MTW or OSH, to write the NC
> RC
> > (Herb) and let him know your wishes directly, and suggestions.
> >
> > I'm going to have a conference call with Herb and others on the MTW/OSH
> team
> > later this month to discuss your e-mails, among other things.
> >
> > Drew Blahnick
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | FAST clinics survey |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yak52" <yak52@flyredstar.org>
Just go to "Forget your login info??" on the home page - then
"polls/opinions" on the menu.
Deon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernie
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I went and looked and couldnt find "Polls". Also it keeps NOT remembering
me, (is that a hint?) and I cant remember the login number assigned to me.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
>
> Folks,
>
> I've loaded a survey for RPA members on www.flyredstar.org ("polls")
> directed at those who have previously attended MTW and/or heading there
this
> year.
>
> The poll is informational only for the RC to capture what sentiment is out
> there on this event...
>
> Drew
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick"
<drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Again folks, I urge you, if you are going to MTW or OSH, to write the NC
> RC
> > (Herb) and let him know your wishes directly, and suggestions.
> >
> > I'm going to have a conference call with Herb and others on the MTW/OSH
> team
> > later this month to discuss your e-mails, among other things.
> >
> > Drew Blahnick
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Jun 14, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
>
> At 12:47 PM 6/13/2004, Brian Lloyd wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>>
>> Barry Hancock wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well, George W. lost my vote with that one. Kerry is a spoiled
>> limousine
>> liberal trying to be JFK. Who the hell can I vote for now?
>
> Mike Badnarik! Now wouldn't that light a fire in DC? ;-)
It appears as though I wrote the above ...I can't, nor would like to
take credit for it. I don't like a lot of the stuff going on,
but....not *that* much.
B
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Barry Hancock for the SW Board - Aye !!
Sam Sax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ByronMFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RPA and Events
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
In a message dated 6/15/04 7:08:45 AM, drewblahnick@hotmail.com writes:
> At this time for the SW I have Barry Hancock as a candidate.
>
My view is that this can be done by acclamation. All those in favor of Barry
as the SW's Board Member say aye. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: FAST clinics survey |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Earnie,
1. After you log-in just look left and you will see a link "Polls/Opinions"
easy.
2. Can't login? Deon has a link in the center of the page in bright red
"Forgot you login info? Click Here" can't miss it
3. Forgot your log in info? See #2 above, shake well and repeat.
4. Want personal attention? Write deon the web manager who has placed his
e-mail right below that big red text noted
in #2, take a look.
5. Complaining to the yak list probably won't give you your login info you
forgot to write down.
I highly suspect the reason "auto-login" is not remembering you has nothing
to do with the web site and
everything to do with security settings with your PC, but ask Deon....and
no, it's not a "hint", this web site never
discriminates against those who complain before reading the directions.
But again, we are remaking the home page to be very easy to navigate, lots
of white space and less busy - stay tuned!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> I went and looked and couldnt find "Polls". Also it keeps NOT remembering
> me, (is that a hint?) and I cant remember the login number assigned to
me.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick"
<drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > I've loaded a survey for RPA members on www.flyredstar.org ("polls")
> > directed at those who have previously attended MTW and/or heading there
> this
> > year.
> >
> > The poll is informational only for the RC to capture what sentiment is
out
> > there on this event...
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics survey
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick"
> <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > Again folks, I urge you, if you are going to MTW or OSH, to write the
NC
> > RC
> > > (Herb) and let him know your wishes directly, and suggestions.
> > >
> > > I'm going to have a conference call with Herb and others on the
MTW/OSH
> > team
> > > later this month to discuss your e-mails, among other things.
> > >
> > > Drew Blahnick
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
This is interesting...why do you feel so hindered? Anyone can set up a
general event and load it with any activities wanted.
All Red Star may be a bit of an extreme, but you have 10 differant
activities going on, dinners, etc.
MTW, OLU and GED all have such things as aerobatic boxes, bomb drops, spot
landings, etc.
I wonder if you read my post on this issue; the association should be going
to small unit events (as well as supporting the larger ones)
to bring training and good times to the local level, and we have set up
online communication and registration and
downloadable information to help that process. There are enough owners now
that every region could use some
weekend Hangar events, and based on membership, there could be more than
enough good times had by all.
The problem isn't the association, that's a cop-out.
The flight suit is a minor request for association FAST training for all the
right reasons as explained in the
Wing/Lead Training policy letter on the web site (Formation Room). Other
than that, if you want to host a local hangar party
and fly-in for folks you can do so online, we can also send you an excell
file of names and e-mails of all owners
within your area/state/regions if you want to invite folks directly, you
just have to ask the web manager (you can also
see these contacts now yourself by looking in Member Locator and picking
your region, or any region). You might be suprised
at how many are within 2 hours of your airport...in LA we had about 10-12 if
I recall - that's a good time had by all. I've
been on a small team managing 50-60 every year and it's a lot less fun ;)
Getting those 10 folks to come out, that's up to the
hosts, not the association, and therein lies a little effort and
coordinating.
When my Yak 50 is finally with me in my new home in South Florida I plan to
host a small get together here
at the museum here at Tamiami...no, it won't be ARS East either...but it
will have lots of flour bombs, tactical form, fighting wing,
FAST practice, hangar talk, Crud and any other good times I can load up that
I've missed while waiting for this darn
airplane to get outta da garage!
Don't confuse our inate ability to gripe about anything with our real issue
of motivating folks to join an aviation
association that is building up to support our community in more direct ways
than most others...
If you support it, it will continue evolving to support you. Besides wearing
a flight suit for FAST training and a few other
FAST requirements to comply with the FARs and improve safety for the
beackseater, this association is pretty much up to
the members for direction and content.
Fly safe and often,
Drew
----- Original Message ----- g
From: "Steve & Donna Hanshew" <dhanshew@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinicsneral
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve & Donna Hanshew"
<dhanshew@cinci.rr.com>
>
> You know, the best time we ever had was in Hot Springs, South Dakota at
the
> first "Yak" gathering. We even had a T-34 among us! (yikes...)
>
> I always thought Fred Ihlenberg's original intent for the group was that
> everyone just get together and have a good time for a week. That included
> formation flying, aerobatic box, fly outs, dinner together and whatever
made
> your vacation with the Yak folks a fun one. We met so many great people
> there! And, we had such a great time. (hmmm... I don't even think we wore
> flight suits ALL week!)
>
> That's what it was all about - having fun with old friends and meeting new
> friends, right?
>
> I just wonder what Fred would think about all of this now?
>
> Best Regards,
> Donna Hanshew
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST clinics
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> >
> > I think you missed my point Mike.
> >
> > I wasnt suggesting we stage a week earlier, I dont have 2 weeks either,
I
> > barely have 1 week. I usually show up during the latter part of the
week,
> > usually Thurs Fri and Sat. And I generally have to fly commercial to
OSH.
> >
> > Now If I want to participate in the mass formations, I MUST stage out in
> the
> > boonies, if I want to enjoy the activities at the event and stay local
to
> > the event, I CANT fly with you guys. And if I fly commercial to OSH, I
may
> > as well be a T-34 guy as far as you all are concerned. Last year I
> searched
> > high and low to just say hello to you guys, and never found you.
> >
> > You arent providing training for FNG's, so my question was, "Why must
you
> > fly so many sorties, which requires you to stage out of somewhere else?"
> > Regarding my comparison to the other clubs, I was merely tying to point
> out
> > that they stay local AND fly in the mass formations. Is RPA's attendance
> at
> > S&F and OSH strictly to fly in the show?
> >
> > If it is true that the majority of RPA members prefer to stay off field,
> > then my point is moot. Is this in fact the case? Most people show up
cause
> > they have no choice if they want to go to this event as an RPA member.
> Have
> > we ever asked if this is what people want? We have a lot of new members,
> > maybe we should ask. I saw a lot of CJ's and Yaks this year at S&F that
> > didnt stage with you guys. Maybe we'd have greater participation in this
> org
> > if we were all at the same place. I was the only Jet that showed up at
> > Winterhaven, and that didnt work out very well at all. Should I organise
> Jet
> > gatherings separate from the Yak and CJ gatherings at these 2 venues?
> Should
> > the Wilga and IAR guys do their own thing? How about the Yak 18T or the
> Acro
> > guys, do they create their own agendas? Kinda defeats the purpose of a
RPA
> > being all inclusive, might as well have different clubs. Did we make a
> > mistake in changing from YPA to RPA? Do we want to be mainly a formation
> > club for CJ's and Yak 52's? These arent bad things, but I think that we
> need
> > to be clear of our mission.
> >
> > I just organised a BFM clinic here at Leeward Air Ranch over Memorial
Day
> > weekend, when I mentioned it on the yak-list all I got was a bunch of
flak
> > from several members. I then limited my communication to those folks who
> > were interested in participating, and we had a great SAFE time. I have
> > participated in just about every formation clinic that has staged in my
> > area. I have had numerous conversations with several people regarding
how
> > you can improve the clubs website. I dont think my participation in the
> club
> > is the issue here. But if the answer to any of my concerns is to just go
> out
> > and do it myself, then whats the point of belonging to RPA. At some
point
> > there needs to be a group conscience. The last time we voted on anything
> was
> > for the name change.
> >
> > For me, these 2 yearly events are to go and have fun with our fellow
> pilots
> > and congregate at a central location which to me is either the S&F or
OSH
> > airports. Formation flying is only part of the fun. I want to fly in the
> > mass formations, I also want to walk around the place and see the sites,
> eat
> > the food, do some shopping, and hang out with all the other warbird
> people.
> > The way it is organised currently, if you dont stage out of the remote
> > field, then for all intents and purposes you arent part of RPA during
that
> > event. And if you show up at the remote field with something other than
a
> > Yak 52 or a CJ, then you are just a visitor. To just tell me that if I
> dont
> > want to fly formation I should just go stay where I want, is tantamount
to
> > telling me to go pound sand.
> >
> > Bottom line, I feel that the spirit of RPA is completely lost at these 2
> > great events. This may be the only chance most of us have to get
together
> > with our fellow members. I dont know how many RPA members there are out
> > there who do not own Yak 52's or CJ's and who even care if they get to
> hang
> > out with the membership during these events. If this is a small number,
> and
> > the majority of the membership prefers the status quo, then I'll shut
up,
> > and just do my own thing. Otherwise I'd like to hear from the rest of
the
> > peanut gallery.
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <MFilucci@aol.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: FAST clinics
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 6/13/04 7:24:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > ernest.martinez@oracle.com writes:
> > >
> > > I dont understand why you cant practice 1 day from some other airport
> > nearby
> > > then stage out of OSH or S&F. I just dont like the idea of spending
> the
> > > entire event off field.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ernie,
> > > You have to understand that while you don't like operating out of a
> remote
> > > field, there are many members who prefer it. They like it because
there
> is
> > no
> > > traffic, no congestion, no waiting in line for dinner every night, and
> > they
> > > can launch a sortie whenever they want to, with no fuss and no
> convoluted
> > taxi
> > > and departure. Since the warbird airshow normally only takes place on
3
> of
> > > the days, it still allows plenty of time to spend on the ground at
> > S&F/OSH. As
> > > I said before, no one is required to fly all or any of the warbird
> > fly-bys --
> > > guys do it because they like to participate.
> > >
> > > Yes, NATA and other signatories have a week-long session prior to
> S&F/OSH
> > > but the biggest complaint I have gotten in the past from our members
is
> > that
> > > they don't have 2 weeks to devote to either S&F or OSH -- they are
> > oftentimes
> > > hard-pressed to get a full week off.
> > >
> > > If you want to organize a week-long practice prior to S&F or OSH
there
> is
> > > nothing in this world that is stopping you -- have at it! You have
the
> > regional
> > > coordinators who can provide you with contact info to help you get
> > started.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roy O. Wright" <roy@wright.org>
Sorry Barry, bad editing on my part... Just didn't delete enough lines...
Have fun,
Roy
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