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1. 04:23 AM - IFR CJ/Yaks (cpayne@joimail.com)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: IFR CJ/Yaks (Ernie)
3. 09:26 AM - James Earl Goolsby Jr recieved his Ph. D. today. (ByronMFox@aol.com)
4. 10:13 AM - Re: IFR CJ/Yaks (Ron Davis)
5. 11:19 AM - Memorial service (Doug Sapp)
6. 11:53 AM - Re: Memorial service (Drew Blahnick)
7. 12:55 PM - Re: Acceleration (Jorgen Nielsen)
8. 12:55 PM - Re: MTW/OSH revisited (Jorgen Nielsen)
9. 12:58 PM - Re: IFR CJ/Yaks (Brian Lloyd)
10. 02:15 PM - Memorial service (Doug Sapp)
11. 05:04 PM - MTW and Goolsby PhD (Dr. Robert Schroeder)
12. 05:18 PM - Brake lines and Nanchangs (tjohnson@cannonaviation.com)
13. 08:00 PM - Blue Mountain EFIS-1 (Dave Laird)
14. 08:33 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS-1 (Brian Lloyd)
15. 08:50 PM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS-1 (Dave Laird)
16. 09:22 PM - brakes (jay reiter)
17. 09:26 PM - Vern Hupp (Yakjock)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
A&P's and Avionics guys,
This year I'll be browsing the Oshkosh exhibit halls for
Panel goodies. I would like minimum IFR capability in the
CJ. The real question seems to be: for an experimental
aircraft, which equipment MUST be manufactured under TSO? It
would be neat to build a new panel with a garmin 430/530 and
an EFIS like the Dynon but the Dynon isn't TSO, so does that
mean that all the gyros must be replaced with TSO?
The CFR's say "navigation equipment appropriate to the
flight...etc" so I guess it's the instrument equipment list
that costs all the buck$. I found the TSO requirement for
TSO transponder, altitude reporting equipment, and ELTs but
do the words "(or FAA-approved equivalents)" mean the same
thing as "TSO" for the equipment lists?
Craig "inquiring mind" Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I beleive the TSO is only required to install equipment in certificated
aircraft, not to fly under an IFR flight plan. I think it is all moot with
experimental aircraft. You perating limitations say something to the effect
of, Aircraft will be flown VFR unless equipped for IFR flight. I dont think
it makes any mention of TSO'd equipment. For example you need to have a
radio to fly IFR, but does it have to be a TSO'd radio? I dont think
so....... you could probably use a handheld.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <cpayne@joimail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: IFR CJ/Yaks
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> A&P's and Avionics guys,
>
> This year I'll be browsing the Oshkosh exhibit halls for
> Panel goodies. I would like minimum IFR capability in the
> CJ. The real question seems to be: for an experimental
> aircraft, which equipment MUST be manufactured under TSO? It
> would be neat to build a new panel with a garmin 430/530 and
> an EFIS like the Dynon but the Dynon isn't TSO, so does that
> mean that all the gyros must be replaced with TSO?
>
> The CFR's say "navigation equipment appropriate to the
> flight...etc" so I guess it's the instrument equipment list
> that costs all the buck$. I found the TSO requirement for
> TSO transponder, altitude reporting equipment, and ELTs but
> do the words "(or FAA-approved equivalents)" mean the same
> thing as "TSO" for the equipment lists?
>
> Craig "inquiring mind" Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | James Earl Goolsby Jr recieved his Ph. D. today. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
In a message dated 6/18/04 10:01:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
My son, James Earl Goolsby Jr recieved his Ph. D. today.
Proud father, Jim Jr. is now a doctor of what? Congratulations to both of
you........... Blitz
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
TSO'd equipment is not required for part 91 operations. Are you using your
experimental plane in part 135 service? (No would be the safe answer here).
FAR 91.205 has the minimum equipment for VFR-day, VFR-night, and adds the
following for IFR:
(1) VFR equipment for day or night, as appropriate.
(2) Two-way radio communications system and navigational equipment
appropriate to the ground facilities to be used.
(3) Gyroscopic rate-of-turn indicator,
(4) Slip-skid indicator.
(5) Sensitive altimeter adjustable for barometric pressure.
(6) A clock displaying hours, minutes, and seconds.
(7) Generator or alternator of adequate capacity.
(8) Gyroscopic pitch and bank indicator (artificial horizon).
(9) Gyroscopic direction indicator (directional gyro or equivalent).
It's interesting what this list doesn't include: Transponder, Mode C, GPS,
ELT, EFIS, auto pilot, flight director, yaw dampener, TCAS, GPWS, etc.
Many of these things are required by other FARS- for some aircraft,
some operations, or in some locations.
What you have to have in the way of radios, is ONE com that has the
frequency
of the facilities you need to talk to, and ONE nav radio that will let you
find the places you're going. Typically this means one VOR. If you have
one
working VOR in the plane you can look at your handheld Garmin to see how to
get to the VOR, intersection, airport.
On the other hand, there are lots of nifty gadgets at OSH. I think you
should
buy two of each.
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| Subject: | Memorial service |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
To all,
The memorial service for Vern Hupp will be at the Pentiction BC Airport,
Tuesday @11:00. All those needing a place to stay can base out of my home
at Omak. Omak is about a hour drive or a 30 minute flight to Pentiction.
Walt Lannon is planning a missing man and fly by, all are welcome, please
come and help us say goodbye to a good friend and CJ pilot.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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| Subject: | Re: Memorial service |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Doug,
If I could, would you repost mailing address for the memorial and home
contact info if their family agrees?
Thanks Doug,
Drew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Memorial service
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> To all,
> The memorial service for Vern Hupp will be at the Pentiction BC Airport,
> Tuesday @11:00. All those needing a place to stay can base out of my home
> at Omak. Omak is about a hour drive or a 30 minute flight to Pentiction.
> Walt Lannon is planning a missing man and fly by, all are welcome, please
> come and help us say goodbye to a good friend and CJ pilot.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Can I get one of these engines for my Yak? I want to accelerate like
that straight up...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: Acceleration
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
--> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Acceleration; Put Into Perspective
* One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower
than the first 4 rows at the Daytona 500.
* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 11.2 gallons of
Nitro-methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the
same rate with 25% less energy being produced.
* A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the
dragster supercharger.
* With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on
overdrive,the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before
ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.
* At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitromethane the
flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F.
* Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the
stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric
water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.
* Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of
an arc welder in each cylinder.
* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After way,
the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves
at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel
flow.
* If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up
in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to
blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.
* In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate an
average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph well before half-track,
the launch acceleration approaches 8Gs.
* Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed
reading this sentence.
* Top Fuel Engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to
light.
* Including the burnout the engine must only survive 900 revolutions
under load.
* The redline is actually quite high at 9500rpm.
* The bottom line: assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew
worked for free, and for once, NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an
estimated $1,000.00 per second.
The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for
the quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is
333.00 mph. (533km/h) as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03
Doug Kalitta).
Putting all of this into perspective:
Say you are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter "twin-turbo"
powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is
staged & ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have
the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the
gears and blast across the starting line and past the dragster at an
honest 200 mph. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment.
The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down
hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums
and within 3 seconds the dragster catches and passes you. He beats you
to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed him.
Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200
mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he
passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race course.
That is acceleration
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| Subject: | MTW/OSH revisited |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
And yippee to that from the contingent living in darkest africa.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Drew Blahnick
Subject: Re: Yak-List: MTW/OSH revisited
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick"
--> <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Roger all that, I personally don't use pay pal for anything unless I
have no other option, it's really for the vendor, not the customer -
setting up credit card merchant services is a pain and more expensive.
But, I faxed what I hope to be the last requirement for the underwriters
to accept our (RPA) secure credit card services so pay pal will be just
another option next to visa/mastercard/discovery/AmEx...
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: MTW/OSH revisited
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
>
>
> I don't use PayPal for many reasons. I'm plan on attending MTW and
> Osh. Basing out of MTW and hopefully formation flying with east
> coasters there and back.
>
> Al
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: MTW/OSH revisited
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin"
> > --> <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Same here,
> >
> > I am planning on being at MTW with the CJ but have yet to register.
> Paypal
> > is not my forte...
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > >From: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
> > >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > >To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: MTW/OSH revisited
> > >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:41:27 -0500
> > >
> > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
> > ><TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
> > >
> > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <
> > >Duncan1574@hotmail.com >
> > > >I just checked the event registration for the MTW/OSH event,
> > > >there
> > >are
> > > >seven people signed up.
> > >
> > >Russ,
> > >I know several pilots coming who have not signed up (including
> > >myself).
> > > The online registration seems to have been the problem getting
folks
> > >going. I will sign up and encourage others to do the same.
> > >
> > >Can we do so now and pay when we arrive? I personally don't like
> > >PayPal and will not give them my cc number. Pumper
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
cpayne@joimail.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> A&P's and Avionics guys,
>
> This year I'll be browsing the Oshkosh exhibit halls for
> Panel goodies. I would like minimum IFR capability in the
> CJ. The real question seems to be: for an experimental
> aircraft, which equipment MUST be manufactured under TSO?
Only an IFR-certified GPS as far as I remember.
> It
> would be neat to build a new panel with a garmin 430/530 and
> an EFIS like the Dynon but the Dynon isn't TSO, so does that
> mean that all the gyros must be replaced with TSO?
No. The regs just say you have to have gyros and I think they refer to one of
your gyros having a different power source. If you threw an electric needle-ball
in the panel with a different power source, it would probably qualify.
I am very leery of the Dynon device. I would lean toward the Blue Mountain EFIS-lite
or EFIS-sport (new 5" display). Grand Rapids technologies seems to have
a very nice EFIS but its engine monitor won't cut it for a 9-cyl engine.
If you are considering a glass AHRS display, conisder what it takes to erect the
gyro platform after you tumble its gyros. You may find that you cannot get
it to erect until you are flying almost straight and level again. And if you
have just tumbled your gyros you probably aren't flying anywhere close to straight
and level. These are questions you need to ask the makers. I was impressed
with Blue Mountain's "fast erect" system that works even if the aircraft is
not straight and level. It just needs to be steady state and that can also
be a steady state turn.
> The CFR's say "navigation equipment appropriate to the
> flight...etc" so I guess it's the instrument equipment list
> that costs all the buck$.
Well, maybe. Since GPS is not acceptable for sole-source navigation and VOR is,
you need a nav receiver. I wouldn't get one without a glideslope so a minimal
avionics panel consists of something like an Apollo SL-30 nav-com and a transponder.
(The SL-30 has some really nifty features such as the ability to track
two VORs with the same receiver at the same time and monitor your standby
comm frequency.) A Garmin 430 is pretty nice but I think they try to pack too
much into one box so I am a little leery of depending on a single 430.
After the avionics you need the equivalent of the standard "six-pack" (AS, AI,
Alt, TC, HI, VSI) and appropriate engine instruments.
> I found the TSO requirement for
> TSO transponder, altitude reporting equipment, and ELTs but
> do the words "(or FAA-approved equivalents)" mean the same
> thing as "TSO" for the equipment lists?
TSO is just a technical standard equating to the "good housekeeping seal of approval".
There are lots of devices flying out there which are approved by the
FAA that have no TSO and many are flying in IFR-certified aircraft. You do not
need TSO for your comm, VOR, LOC/GS, gyros, or pitot-static instruments. If
you want to fly GPS approaches you *do* need a TSO'd GPS receiver.
I am in the process of designing the panel for The Project and am leaning toward
the Blue Mountain EFIS-1. For an extra $2000 I get a complete duplicate set
of displays for the rear seat which makes it quite attractive for a tandem cockpit.
It will also handle 9xCHT and 9xEGT as well as all the other engine instruments.
(The Project no longer has any of its Chinese wiring left so I am not
going to put back the Chinese engine instruments.)
YMMV.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Memorial service |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
To all,
The memorial service for Vern Hupp will be at the Pentiction BC Airport,
Tuesday @11:00. All those needing a place to stay can base out of my home
at Omak. Omak is about a hour drive or a 30 minute flight to Pentiction.
Walt Lannon is planning a missing man and fly by, all are welcome, please
come and help us say goodbye to a good friend and CJ pilot.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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| Subject: | MTW and Goolsby PhD |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dr. Robert Schroeder" <firedog@visi.com>
Jim,
First and foremost, congrats to your son. Getting a PhD can be a road to
hell and back again.
His professors decided that he had the "Right Stuff" to be allowed into the
club. My hat is off
to him for his persistence. Good parents also play a huge role in achieving
this type of elusive
goal.
Now to MTW!
Thank you Russ for your MTW offer. I would have been back for additional
training and hopefully shed
my FNG status. We had a Wx barrier (again) and were unable to get out of MN
to make Columbus, NE last
week. Failing this, MTW was a hope. Hopes are often dashed! So what does
this mean to many of us.
Simply put, another year in waiting...So thanks for the back seat
offers...been there, done that.
Those of us FNG's in the less populated Midwest will have to chill-out. Have
a great time in MTW and OSH.
I will miss hanging around with a group of fine drivers but its demotivating
to watch from the ground.
Robert
Dr. Robert Schroeder
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| Subject: | Brake lines and Nanchangs |
--> Yak-List message posted by: tjohnson@cannonaviation.com
Installed a new stainless brake cable and replaced the "housing" with new.
A good competition bike shop has the good housing (you need about 6').
It has a teflon liner for the cable to slide in.
Amazing difference. Easy to install.
It's like having power assist brakes!
I'm not suggesting you install bicycle parts on any airplane though.
Naturally I removed it after installation and put back in the old cruddy
Russian one. . . .
Looking for Nanchang models, 1/72 scale is fine.
Contact me off list if you have a source.
Tj
tjohnson@cannonaviation.com
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS-1 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
Brian-
Can you TUNE the radios via the duplicate displays in the aft cockpit
you are designing for The Project?
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas
p.s. Betty sez "hi"!
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS-1 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Dave Laird wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
>
> Brian-
>
> Can you TUNE the radios via the duplicate displays in the aft cockpit
> you are designing for The Project?
The radios will be an Apollo SL-30 nav-com and an Apollo SL-70 transponder. EFIS-1
has its own GPS sensor. The SL-30 is a pretty smart radio with the ability
to have several of the functions remotely controlled so it may be possible
to control it from the rear seat. I need to do more research. If I can make
the radio fully controllable from the rear seat, I will. I like the idea of having
everything controllable from the rear seat. As far as I can tell, the only
things that won't be controllable from the back seat are fuel shut-off, alternate
air, gill-louvers, and oil cooler door. Even those can be remotely controlled
if I want to mate them to servos.
Stay tuned.
> Dave Laird
> N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
> Dallas
>
>
> p.s. Betty sez "hi"!
I was just looking at a picture and thinking that I wish I still had her to fly.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS-1 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
>
> I was just looking at a picture and thinking that I wish I still had
> her to fly.
>
Brian, my friend, you DO have her to fly... you just have to come to
Dallas and give me my BFR! ;)
Dave
p.s. seriously, I saw your recent post that you were flying across
this great country of ours. If you
just stop in Dallas when you do these things you can visit the old girl
and take her, and me, up for a spin...
I know this great little fly-in catfish place.....
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Tom remember it all started in a bike shop.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
First, the memorial service for Vern Hupp will be held at Penticton, B.C. on Tuesday,
June 22 at 1100. I will be attending with Doug and Kathy, and will be
taking my CJ. I would like to join up there with anyone else who can make it
to fly a missing man and whatever else we can. Vern loved flying.........
I know Doug is busy hosting a wedding and reception for Kathy's sister, so I'll
take the role of passing on what he has shared with me about Vern's accident.
Vern owned a Harvard (the Canadian version of the T-6). He recently sold it to
a buyer in Indiana, and was in the process of delivering the plane to the new
buyer. Clearing Canadian Customs he was apparently delayed by about four hours.
He finally was cleared, flew the short distance to Oroville, Washington,
and cleared U.S. Customs. I believe he fueled at this point and then departed
on his flight to Indiana. A short time later he returned to Oroville with a
problem - I believe it was with his GPS. After working on this he again departed,
now very much behind his original schedule. He chose a direct route over
high country. Shortly after he departed he crashed in terrain that was about
3,500 MSL.
The engine was not making power at the time of the crash. One prop blade was bent
back with parallel scratches running toward the tip. The plane impacted in
a nose down, left wing low attitude at high speed. The first mark on the ground
was made by the left wing tip on a gravel road. The fuselage separated from
the center section, ending up some distance away, inverted, facing back toward
the impact site. Vern apparently died instantly.
I'm sure we'll find out more as the pieces come together.
If you think you can make it to the service please let me know. For the Vancouver
area guys, Jim Goolsby will be at Port Angeles, Washington, from Monday afternoon
flying the B-24. He would like very much to attend the service if someone
is going for the day. Please contact me for his phone number if you can
give him a lift.
Hal Morley
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