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1. 02:02 AM - Painting questions Answered - Maybe (Aubrey Price)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: Valve Clearance (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 06:45 AM - Fuel tank repair / air tank test (David Stroud)
4. 09:00 AM - Re: MTW aerobatic training (Bob Fitzpatrick)
5. 09:27 AM - Two weeks to go... (Barry Hancock)
6. 09:37 AM - On board spares (Barry Hancock)
7. 09:42 AM - Re: newsletters help! (Shane Golden)
8. 10:15 AM - Re: newsletters help!-Oops (Shane Golden)
9. 10:34 AM - Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test (Walt Lannon)
10. 10:56 AM - Re: Spare parts (Duncan aka Russ)
11. 12:43 PM - Swamp Dragons OBE meeting. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
12. 01:17 PM - Re: SPAM (Bill Halverson)
13. 02:05 PM - Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test (David Stroud)
14. 05:30 PM - Re: worm (Ernie)
15. 05:32 PM - Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test (Walt Lannon)
16. 08:33 PM - Swamp Dragon meeting (Terry)
17. 09:22 PM - Re: SPAM (Roy Wright)
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| Subject: | Painting questions Answered - Maybe |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
See text below. That's for the comments. My partner and I have sent a lot
of time on this.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Halverson [mailto:william@netpros.net
<mailto:william@netpros.net> ]
Subject: Painting questions
Hi Aubrey -
Great looking job! And thanks for the work to get those pics up for us all
... but as you can imagine, they may induce some of us to send questions
your way ... so if there are a lot, just roll the answers up into one
posting back to the list?
Anyway, here are mine:
1. I notice what look like scratches in the anti-corrosion coating in one
pic of the stripped fuselage ... is that what it is and if so how did you
deal with it?
The pictures are deceiving. There were very few scratches, but to cover
those, we shot the whole plane with a filler primer, sanded, and then put
epoxy primer over that.
2. I noticed the yellow color of the interior parts of the wings and
fuselage ... did you do any touch up painting on those areas?
If you mean under the fairings, we did shoot the gray primer over that.
3. Did you remove the old paint and repaint the control surfaces after you
took the covering off? Your thoughts on this appreciated ...
No. The zinc Chromate primer was in great shape. We did sand everything. Our
plane had Russian fabric. We removed all coverings and recovered with the
heavy Stitts War Bird Poly Fiber. I am not through with the covers.
4. Was thought given to removing the plexi glass to get all the old paint of
the frames?
We are going to replace the plexi glass next year. For now, we are wet
sanding the glass with 600, 1200, 1500, high cut rubbing compound, polishing
compound, and then swirl remover compound. Lots of work, but the if we
didn't have grazing, you couldn't tell they weren't new.
5. The foam in the tail ... is that SOP or ... ?
That is a Carl Hayes mod. The prop wash causes the fabric to drum on the
tail. Over time, the rib stitches will fail if you do a lot of aerobatics.
The foam allows both sides of the fabric to be held firmly in place. What
you don't see is a rib stitch that goes from one side of the tail, through
the foam and tried on the other side of the tail. There is one of these in
each bay.
Thanks again for your comments! She's a beauty!!
Bill Halverson
YAK-55
At 08:42 AM 7/9/2004, Aubrey Price wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
>
>Mark, You are in for an interesting few weeks. We just finished our
>paint last week. All we lack is the yellow trim around the stars, red
>nose on cowling and polishing the exhaust stacks. We used PPG auto
>paint, base coat primer and base coat could be applied by anyone. If
>you get a run, just sand it off and polish. It's work, but no big deal.
>We used the clear coat, because that is the shine you see on expensive
>cars. Single coat paint doesn't do that. We were not going to strip the
>Russian paint, but Mark Jeffery convinced us that we needed to. He was
>correct, but it is a lot of work. Here is a link to our pages. Click on
>"Work in Progress "to see the complete process.
>http://www.tammyprice.com/yak <http://www.tammyprice.com/yak>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Morgan [mailto:aircraftmanager@msn.com
<mailto:aircraftmanager@msn.com> ]
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Yak-List: Valve Clearance
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Morgan" <aircraftmanager@msn.com>
>
>Evening everyone,
>
>Well....My Yak 52 is ready for paint. Gosh...its been 11 months now.
>
>First, I am in need of a few things. George Coy gave me the color
>numbers for the DOSAAF red, white, and blue and I have missed placed
>them. I also will need insignia for the nose and the rest of the
>aircraft, stars too. I plan on using a self etching primer and need to
>know what works best? Not planning on using Imron at all, by the way.
>My guy that sprays refuses to use it.
>
>Second, I need someone to check me out in it. I am at Lunken Airport,
>Cincinnati. This should spark some interesting comments. LOL. I
>promised a friend that I would have it up and flying in time for our
>local airshow in September (Hi Steve and Donna!). I am trying guys.
>Been busy fixing the Baron that bellied in. :-(
>
>Blue Skies!
>
>Mark " YAK Daddy" Morgan, 1982 YAK 52 N502GC
>
>.
>
>
> >From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Yak-List: Valve Clearance
pts
>
> > rule name description
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> ><yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> >
> >Yaksters;
> >
> >Just got done adjusting the valves on my M14.
> >
> >Here's the diagnosis.
> >
> >All valves were within tolerance except for the number 3 and 7
> >cylinder exhaust valves. The tolerances were tight....that is the #3
> >measured .275mm and the #7 measured .280mm. Not sure if this could
> >cause the rough running engine in high altitude cold air I wrote about
earlier.
> >
> >A compression check afterwards showed normal and close to previous
> >measurements. I used the spec of .3mm +.15 -.1
> >
> >A word of advice here, misadjusted valves could cause them to burn.
> >
> >Used the silicone valve cover gaskets supplied by Doug Sapp and must
> >say they work great. Promises to stop any oil leaks from that area.
> >
> >This brings up a question; How are the rockers lubed? I can see the
> >downward pointing cylinders were getting lots of oil but the upward
> >pointing cylinders seems to not get enough. Anyone care to elaborate?
> >Also, would it be beneficial if I modified my valve covers so that
> >all are connected together with rubber hose? Seems that some say this
> >will aid oiling or scavenging but I'm not entirely convinced.
> >Thanks in advance.
> >Frank
> >N911OM
> >YAK-52
> >
> >
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Painting questions Answered - Maybe
See text below. That's for the comments. My partner and I have sent a lot of time
on this.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Halverson [mailto:william@netpros.net]
Subject: Painting questions
Hi Aubrey -
Great looking job! And thanks for the work to get those pics up for us all ...
but as you can imagine, they may induce some of us to send questions your way
... so if there are a lot, just roll the answers up into one posting back to the
list?
Anyway, here are mine:
1. I notice what look like scratches in the anti-corrosion coating in one pic of
the stripped fuselage ... is that what it is and if so how did you deal with
it?
The pictures are deceiving. There were very few scratches, but to cover those,
we shot the whole plane with a filler primer, sanded, and then put epoxy primer
over that.
2. I noticed the yellow color of the interior parts of the wings and fuselage ...
did you do any touch up painting on those areas?
If you mean under the fairings, we did shoot the gray primer over that.
3. Did you remove the old paint and repaint the control surfaces after you took
the covering off? Your thoughts on this appreciated ...
No. The zinc Chromate primer was in great shape. We did sand everything. Our plane
had Russian fabric. We removed all coverings and recovered with the heavy
Stitts War Bird Poly Fiber. I am not through with the covers.
4. Was thought given to removing the plexi glass to get all the old paint of the
frames?
We are going to replace the plexi glass next year. For now, we are wet sanding
the glass with 600, 1200, 1500, high cut rubbing compound, polishing compound,
and then swirl remover compound. Lots of work, but the if we didn't have grazing,
you couldn't tell they weren't new.
5. The foam in the tail ... is that SOP or ... ?
That is a Carl Hayes mod. The prop wash causes the fabric to drum on the tail.
Over time, the rib stitches will fail if you do a lot of aerobatics. The foam
allows both sides of the fabric to be held firmly in place. What you don't see
is a rib stitch that goes from one side of the tail, through the foam and tried
on the other side of the tail. There is one of these in each bay.
Thanks again for your comments! She's a beauty!!
Bill Halverson
YAK-55
At 08:42 AM 7/9/2004, Aubrey Price wrote:
-- Yak-List message posted by: Aubrey Price aprice@vartec.net
Mark, You are in for an interesting few weeks. We just finished our
paint last week. All we lack is the yellow trim around the stars, red
nose on cowling and polishing the exhaust stacks. We used PPG auto
paint, base coat primer and base coat could be applied by anyone. If
you get a run, just sand it off and polish. It's work, but no big deal.
We used the clear coat, because that is the shine you see on expensive
cars. Single coat paint doesn't do that. We were not going to strip the
Russian paint, but Mark Jeffery convinced us that we needed to. He was
correct, but it is a lot of work. Here is a link to our pages. Click on
Work in Progress to see the complete process.
http://www.tammyprice.com/yak
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Morgan [mailto:aircraftmanager@msn.com]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Valve Clearance
-- Yak-List message posted by: Mark Morgan aircraftmanager@msn.com
Evening everyone,
Well....My Yak 52 is ready for paint. Gosh...its been 11 months now.
First, I am in need of a few things. George Coy gave me the color
numbers for the DOSAAF red, white, and blue and I have missed placed
them. I also will need insignia for the nose and the rest of the
aircraft, stars too. I plan on using a self etching primer and need to
know what works best? Not planning on using Imron at all, by the way.
My guy that sprays refuses to use it.
Second, I need someone to check me out in it. I am at Lunken Airport,
Cincinnati. This should spark some interesting comments. LOL. I
promised a friend that I would have it up and flying in time for our
local airshow in September (Hi Steve and Donna!). I am trying guys.
Been busy fixing the Baron that bellied in. :-(
Blue Skies!
Mark YAK Daddy Morgan, 1982 YAK 52 N502GC
.
From: Frank Haertlein yak52driver@earthlink.net
Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Valve Clearance
rule name description
-- Yak-List message posted by: Frank Haertlein
yak52driver@earthlink.net
Yaksters;
Just got done adjusting the valves on my M14.
Here's the diagnosis.
All valves were within tolerance except for the number 3 and 7
cylinder exhaust valves. The tolerances were tight....that is the #3
measured .275mm and the #7 measured .280mm. Not sure if this could
cause the rough running engine in high altitude cold air I wrote about earlier.
A compression check afterwards showed normal and close to previous
measurements. I used the spec of .3mm +.15 -.1
A word of advice here, misadjusted valves could cause them to burn.
Used the silicone valve cover gaskets supplied by Doug Sapp and must
say they work great. Promises to stop any oil leaks from that area.
This brings up a question; How are the rockers lubed? I can see the
downward pointing cylinders were getting lots of oil but the upward
pointing cylinders seems to not get enough. Anyone care to elaborate?
Also, would it be beneficial if I modified my valve covers so that
all are connected together with rubber hose? Seems that some say this
will aid oiling or scavenging but I'm not entirely convinced.
Thanks in advance.
Frank
N911OM
YAK-52
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Clearance |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
A word of caution for those that think they want to/have to remove and
replace a valve lifter or tappet as it is sometimes called. I learned this
the hard way. It can not be done externally by simply removing the pushrod
tube and rubber hose assembly and pulling the tappet assembly out. If you
attempt to do this, the roller that rolls on the cam disc at the bottom of
the valve lifter assembly is wider than the hole in the case. It is also
held in place by the outer sleeve of the valve lifter assembly. When you
pull the mechanism outward from the case, the sleeve exposes the roller and
depending on the angle of the valve lifter assembly, the roller most likely
will fall to the inside of the nose case. Now you REALLY have a problem.
So don't try removing a tappet assembly or lifting it outward from it's
mounting point. As I said, I learned the hard way.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Valve Clearance
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> Jim;
> I presume you are discussing the M14P but whether that or the Huosai you
do
> not have hydraulic lifters. It seems to be a common mis-perception
probably
> due to the spring pressure noted during valve adjustment. This is the
result
> of a small spring installed to ensure that the valve lifter roller is in
> constant contact with the cam ring to avoid the initial friction at lobe
> contact.
> Valve rocker lubrication is via pressure oil internally through the push
> rods and draining (for the upper cylinders) down the push rod tube. I
guess
> the lower ones "drain" by forcing it up the tube- unlike P&W engines which
> drain to a separate rocker sump.
> Walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Valve Clearance
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
> >
> > Frank,
> > You're correct, Doug's gaskets are great.
> > Now for the questions.
> > We have hydraulic lifters. They pump up with oil and force oil up the
> > rocker arm push rods in order to lubricate the top end. If you are
> > seeing a lack of oil in the valve covers area for the top cylinders you
> > may need to get better lifters. Replacing these are very labor
> > intensive. It would be more fun and a lot easier to fly inverted for a
> > short time, making the top of your engine the bottom. But, it's very
> > unlikely that your engine has lifter problems.
> > Next. Our engines have NO valve guide seals. With no seals, oil can
> > move from the top end, past the valve stems, into the combustion
> > chamber. The engines burn oil. The lower cylinders burn more oil because
> > they are submerged in oil. If we could relieve the supersaturation
> > problem, then we would burn less. Since the oil pools on the top end of
> > the bottom cylinders when resting, then we will get oil moving past the
> > valve stems and pooling at the back side of the exhaust and intake
> > valves. The oil at the exhaust drips on the floor, and the intake oil
> > can cause hydrostatic lock.
> > So we ask, Is the clean kit necessary. If the engine is new the
> > tolerances are close and you won't need it. If the engine is older and
> > tolerances are more loose, then it would definitely help. If you have
> > the money for the kit, then get it and worry less. If not, then wipe the
> > floor and pull the prop through more often.
> > As a post script, the oil that supersaturates the top end of the lower
> > cylinders restricts rocker arm movement. It would then take more torque
> > to push the rocker arm through this oil. Decreasing available HP. But,
> > would the HP gain with the addition of a clean kit off set the added
> > weight. Both are slight.
> >
> > Jim B
> > N3110W
> > CJ6A
> >
> > yak52driver@earthlink.net 07/08/04 07:57PM >>>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> > <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Yaksters;
> >
> > Just got done adjusting the valves on my M14.
> >
> > Here's the diagnosis.
> >
> > All valves were within tolerance except for the number 3 and 7
> > cylinder
> > exhaust valves. The tolerances were tight....that is the #3 measured
> > .275mm and the #7 measured .280mm. Not sure if this could cause the
> > rough running engine in high altitude cold air I wrote about earlier.
> >
> > A compression check afterwards showed normal and close to previous
> > measurements. I used the spec of .3mm +.15 -.1
> >
> > A word of advice here, misadjusted valves could cause them to burn.
> >
> > Used the silicone valve cover gaskets supplied by Doug Sapp and must
> > say
> > they work great. Promises to stop any oil leaks from that area.
> >
> > This brings up a question; How are the rockers lubed? I can see the
> > downward pointing cylinders were getting lots of oil but the upward
> > pointing cylinders seems to not get enough. Anyone care to elaborate?
> > Also, would it be beneficial if I modified my valve covers so that all
> > are connected together with rubber hose? Seems that some say this will
> > aid oiling or scavenging but I'm not entirely convinced.
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Frank
> > N911OM
> > YAK-52
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel tank repair / air tank test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Good morning Aubrey. That's a pretty nice set of photos you have on your site and
I'm interested to hear a bit more about a couple of points when you have time,
please.
First..can you describe the process of the fuel tank repair up to ready for install
?
Secondly, the air tank test. I looked inside mine and found some rust..no much
but signs
of some. I haven't pressure tested it yet but was advised by some that if rust
is present,
dump the tank for a new one. Any rules or advice on that one? Is 1,200 lbs the
standard
rule for testing the tank? Thanks..
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
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| Subject: | Re: MTW aerobatic training |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
I'm one of those who consider this training money well spent and frankly I'm
surprised more members haven't taken advantage of it. Some people have told
me they don't need "that level" of instruction. What level do you need? I
don't train for competition or airshows, I train because I'm a klutz flying
aerobatics in a unique airplane and need all the help I can get. There are
plenty of acro instructors out there, but how many have Yak experience? Here
is the best help you can get at any price without the hassle of travel and
scheduling problems. Unless you use your Yak for cross country
transportation ( you bought the wrong airplane) someday you, too, will botch
a maneuver. At that point your training will be priceless.
bob 52BN
PS: @ MTW last 2 yrs Sergei has cost us about $100/hr.
----- Original Message -----
From: <MFilucci@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: MTW aerobatic training
> --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
>
> Intrepid aviators,
>
> I have heard a rumor that someone has lined up a Russian aerobatic
> instructor for Manitowoc but have not been able to determine if it is fact
or fiction.
> Does anyone have any info?
>
> If there is no instructor in waiting, we may be able to recruit Sergei
> Boriak again this year -- if there is interest in having him back. The
arrangement
> would be the same: all who participate in the training from this
aerobatic
> champion and US Aerobatic Team Coach would pay Sergei his hourly fee and
pitch
> in with the other participants to share his expenses. Those who have done
so
> in years past have said the money is well spent.
>
> Please let me know "off list" if you are interested.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Filucci
> _mfilucci@aol.com_ (mailto:mfilucci@aol.com)
>
>
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| Subject: | Two weeks to go... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Jul 9, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> We should have a great time flying the 24th to the 28th then I
> understand people
> scatter and enjoy OSH. There will be less planned on those days other
> than
> the mass formations for OSH.
Hi Herb and *everyone*,
Great work! My suggestion is that if we do get the RV spot at OSH (I'm
in if I go, which I should know by next week...) there should be a 5
o'clock social hour at the RV. Also, it should be stocked with water,
etc. (put out a donation bucket). The other big thing to have is
chairs. I don't know if we can rent them with the RV, but well worth
it to have a place for guys to sit.
We can also have a mulit-media debrief of the days flying there as
well, if we can get a TV.
I'm still hoping to go, but things are happening with the jets and I
may well be in Romania that week...
Also, when is the aerobatics box set up for?
Cheers,
Barry
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Guys,
In addition to the other suggestions....
It is also useful to carry specialty tools like the 11mm crow's foot,
etc. If you need to change a compressor in the field, etc., this is
nice to have (will save you HOURS of work). I also like to carry extra
indicator lights, a handheld comm., a few rocker cover wires, and of
course, duct tape! You won't believe what duct tape and a Pepsi can
will do to get you out of a jam! :)
A first aid kit is also a good idea...
Barry
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| Subject: | newsletters help! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
Jim,
Here it is for the southeast:
Jan 04
FAST Clinic Waycross GA
Approx. 15 aircraft attending. Pappy, Rich, Ken, Craig and others
taught us new guys how to fly.
Mar 04
Formation Practice Aiken SC
5 aircraft attending. Craig Payne booted us new guys into better shape.
Copious quantities of beer consumed.
Apr 04
SUN N FUN!!
Approx. 20 aircraft attending
Lots airplanes, lots of beer, lots of flying, and YAK GIRLS!!!
June 5 - Mule Day at Gordo, AL, 2 YAK 52's, Buddy Moman (Yak 52 TW),
Dennis Savarese (Yak 52),and 2 CJ6's (Rich Hess and Jeff Linebaugh)
rendezvoused at Reform, AL for a special, 4 ship fly over for the town
of Gordo.. A total of 12 aircraft participated including Denny
Hickman's L39
July 10
Flint River Rats Fly-in and Rat Race Moontown, AL
See the River Rats Website @
http://www.geocities.com/alan_cockrell/Rat1.html
Upcoming:
Need Volunteers for 911 Flyover in Aiken, SC 0845 Sept, 11 2004.
More Flying and Beer afterwards.
Sept 27 - Oct 4
Mass Form Clinic/Airshow Jackson TN Jeff Linebaugh is the event
coordinator.
Jan 05
FAST Clinic Waycross GA
Need to get the date set.
Hope this is what you wanted.
Shane
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: newsletters help!
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
RPA Regional Coordinators.
Need reports of regional activities for the newsletter. Like what you
are
doing out there and what you're planning (dates are very helpful).
Don't forget
pictures. I'd like to get the newsletter done before going to OSH. (fat
chance).
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
==
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| Subject: | newsletters help!-Oops |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
Sorry guys, didn't mean to reply to the list.
Shane
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Golden
Subject: RE: Yak-List: newsletters help!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
Jim,
Here it is for the southeast:
Jan 04
FAST Clinic Waycross GA
Approx. 15 aircraft attending. Pappy, Rich, Ken, Craig and others
taught us new guys how to fly.
Mar 04
Formation Practice Aiken SC
5 aircraft attending. Craig Payne booted us new guys into better shape.
Copious quantities of beer consumed.
Apr 04
SUN N FUN!!
Approx. 20 aircraft attending
Lots airplanes, lots of beer, lots of flying, and YAK GIRLS!!!
June 5 - Mule Day at Gordo, AL, 2 YAK 52's, Buddy Moman (Yak 52 TW),
Dennis Savarese (Yak 52),and 2 CJ6's (Rich Hess and Jeff Linebaugh)
rendezvoused at Reform, AL for a special, 4 ship fly over for the town
of Gordo.. A total of 12 aircraft participated including Denny
Hickman's L39
July 10
Flint River Rats Fly-in and Rat Race Moontown, AL
See the River Rats Website @
http://www.geocities.com/alan_cockrell/Rat1.html
Upcoming:
Need Volunteers for 911 Flyover in Aiken, SC 0845 Sept, 11 2004.
More Flying and Beer afterwards.
Sept 27 - Oct 4
Mass Form Clinic/Airshow Jackson TN Jeff Linebaugh is the event
coordinator.
Jan 05
FAST Clinic Waycross GA
Need to get the date set.
Hope this is what you wanted.
Shane
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: newsletters help!
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
RPA Regional Coordinators.
Need reports of regional activities for the newsletter. Like what you
are
doing out there and what you're planning (dates are very helpful).
Don't forget
pictures. I'd like to get the newsletter done before going to OSH. (fat
chance).
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
David;
Rust implies a steel tank. Not a good choice for an aircraft fuel tank,
contamination problems will continue.
Test pressure maximum is TWO lbs/sq/in. You would never see 1200 psi, it
would have exploded long before that. Remember this is PSI - so 2 X the
internal surface area equals what? maybe 3000 lbs?
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
>
> Good morning Aubrey. That's a pretty nice set of photos you have on your
site and
> I'm interested to hear a bit more about a couple of points when you have
time, please.
>
> First..can you describe the process of the fuel tank repair up to ready
for install ?
> Secondly, the air tank test. I looked inside mine and found some rust..no
much but signs
> of some. I haven't pressure tested it yet but was advised by some that if
rust is present,
> dump the tank for a new one. Any rules or advice on that one? Is 1,200 lbs
the standard
> rule for testing the tank? Thanks..
>
> David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> Fairchild 51 early construction
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
And do not forget a 16p nail!
Russ
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| Subject: | Swamp Dragons OBE meeting. |
popesickel@mindspring.com, talewis@attbi.com, cpayne@joimail.com,
Bill.Mills@avnet.com, finleycj6@juno.com, ernest.martinez@oracle.com,
supercub@pig.net, fschlafly@sprynet.com, vinnietirado@netzero.net,
VinnyTirado@aol.com
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Due to the intelligence sensitivety, some details of this report may be
classified SECRET.
Report: Swamp Dragon Squdron Planning Meeting.
Place: OBE
Aircraft on hand. 3 CJ-6A
Metting started at 0913 local.
The following privileges to members attending this meeting.
1. Secret hand shake. SECRET
2. Establishment of Squadron Bar. Location. SECRET
3. Protocol for unlimited free use of Squadron Bar. SECRET.
4. Protocol for unlimited free use of #10 female models at bar. SECRET
5. The following personnel; Terry Lewis, Craig Payne, James Goolsby, will be
address by all Swamp Dragon personal as "Most Magnificent Comrade General"
until such time as they determine.
The above personnel being the only troops to attend the first meeting of the
Swamp Dragons, have determined that unless a concern show of force is
demostrated by other personnal, that operational planning will be put on hold.
That
is except for the above privileges for those who attended the meeting.
Most Magnificent Comrade General Jim "Pappy" Goolsby reported two (2) kills
on spam can types ( 1 C-172, 1 P-28)while returning to FD44 from meeting.
END of REPORT
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Halverson <william@netpros.net>
Don't need no stinking laws ... spammers are terrorists, so just find one,
and detain him at GITMO for 30 years, and I think the rest will chill ...
> > They changed their email address at my admonition with a warning to
> never give it out to anyone except close friends and
> > associates. Shopping on the net (and thus giving out your email
> address) is a bad idea except for shopping with the bigger
> organizations........ and even they can be suspect. The problem is
> widespread and getting to
> > be a serious problem. There needs to be a law......
>
>Ha ha ha. Please show me how passing a law is going to make anti-social
>spam-meisters stop, specially when they are in another country. Passing
>unenforceable laws is just stupid. It is like the for-show "security" we
>now have to put up with. It doesn't actually do anything (except make
>people miss their airplanes) but gives the *appearance* of better
>security. How about coming up with something that would actually
>work. And let me know if you do because I have been trying,
>unsuccessfully, to find a way for several years now
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Giday, Walt. I guess I should have divided my questions into two separate
subjects and posts to the list. I was really just curious about the aluminum fuel
tank repair and secondly, the test for the steel air reservoir for the start system.
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> David;
> Rust implies a steel tank. Not a good choice for an aircraft fuel tank,
> contamination problems will continue.
> Test pressure maximum is TWO lbs/sq/in. You would never see 1200 psi, it
> would have exploded long before that. Remember this is PSI - so 2 X the
> internal surface area equals what? maybe 3000 lbs?
> Walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
> >
> > Good morning Aubrey. That's a pretty nice set of photos you have on your
> site and
> > I'm interested to hear a bit more about a couple of points when you have
> time, please.
> >
> > First..can you describe the process of the fuel tank repair up to ready
> for install ?
> > Secondly, the air tank test. I looked inside mine and found some rust..no
> much but signs
> > of some. I haven't pressure tested it yet but was advised by some that if
> rust is present,
> > dump the tank for a new one. Any rules or advice on that one? Is 1,200 lbs
> the standard
> > rule for testing the tank? Thanks..
> >
> > David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> > Christavia C-FDWS
> > Fairchild 51 early construction
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: worm
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> DaBear wrote;
> "Matronics is listing email conversations on the web, they show in
> google type searches. That leaves your email address open to spamers".
>
> Al, Yaksters;
> This is one reason a BBS like Red Stars chat ( http://www.rpatalk.com/
> )is a better alternative to an email list server like Matronics. Your
> email isn't available for search engines and subsequent use by spammers
> on a BBS.
>
> Personally, I have taken great pains to keep my email address from
> spammers with only a modicum of success. One thing you can do is to
> register with the "DO NOT CALL REGISTRY at 888-382-1222 or visit their
> website https://www.donotcall.gov/default.aspx Not sure it will stop
> email spam but they should! In any event, it won't stop international
> spammers. The best thing to do is to never give out your email addy to
> anyone but trusted friends.
>
> Like I've said before, A BBS like Red Stars Chat (
> http://www.rpatalk.com/ )is a better alternative if implemented
> correctly but it takes allot to get people to adopt a new format. Most
> people are extremely reluctant to change to something new and better and
> a BBS is better once you get used to it. Try it, give it a chance and
> you'll see from your own personal experience it is the better
> alternative.
>
> Frank
> N911OM
> YAK-52
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
David;
My apologies, I missed the "air tank" reference. The Chinese specs. for
hydrostatic test of the air tank is 75 Atm. or approx. 1100 psi.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
>
> Giday, Walt. I guess I should have divided my questions into two separate
> subjects and posts to the list. I was really just curious about the
aluminum fuel
> tank repair and secondly, the test for the steel air reservoir for the
start system.
>
> David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> Fairchild 51 early construction
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> >
> > David;
> > Rust implies a steel tank. Not a good choice for an aircraft fuel tank,
> > contamination problems will continue.
> > Test pressure maximum is TWO lbs/sq/in. You would never see 1200 psi, it
> > would have exploded long before that. Remember this is PSI - so 2 X the
> > internal surface area equals what? maybe 3000 lbs?
> > Walt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
> > >
> > > Good morning Aubrey. That's a pretty nice set of photos you have on
your
> > site and
> > > I'm interested to hear a bit more about a couple of points when you
have
> > time, please.
> > >
> > > First..can you describe the process of the fuel tank repair up to
ready
> > for install ?
> > > Secondly, the air tank test. I looked inside mine and found some
rust..no
> > much but signs
> > > of some. I haven't pressure tested it yet but was advised by some that
if
> > rust is present,
> > > dump the tank for a new one. Any rules or advice on that one? Is 1,200
lbs
> > the standard
> > > rule for testing the tank? Thanks..
> > >
> > > David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> > > Christavia C-FDWS
> > > Fairchild 51 early construction
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Swamp Dragon meeting |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
Most Magnificent Comrade General "pappy" Goolsby,
I to would like to submit an after action report. I flamed
a 1 P 28 on the east side of the lake and claim a probable
Cessna near Lantana.
The discussions on AMC and aerobatic training will go unmentioned for now as there
was no interest shown other
than by the attendees present. I must give a pass on Gary and Sam as I know for
sure they were prevented from going
by circumstance beyond their control. I imagine that others
had a similar problem.
The weather was great, The food was good. Lets do it again!
Most Magnificent Comrade General
Terry Lewis
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Roy Wright <roy@wright.org>
The major hole that spammers exploit is that sending e-mail
is effectively anonymous, i.e., there originally was no method
to verify the return path. Sender Policy Framework (SPF) takes
aim at the practice of return-path spoofing. Basically domain
administrators publish SPF records in the DNS. Those records
describe the servers the domain uses for outbound mail. Then,
they are read by SPF-enabled MTAs. Mail coming from a server
not described in SPF can be considered forged.
In every antispam future discussed, sender authentication is the
first and fundamental step. Now, many possible sender authentication
models are available, but the designated-sender scheme that SPF
provides is probably the easiest to implement.
For more details: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7465
Have fun,
Roy
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