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1. 05:18 AM - Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:25 AM - Exhaust section needed (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 05:58 AM - Re: Swamp Dragon meeting (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 07:36 AM - Re: Swamp Dragon meeting (Yak52)
5. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test (D Zeman)
6. 09:04 AM - Re: MTW aerobatic training (Barry Hancock)
7. 09:11 AM - On board spares - one more thing (Barry Hancock)
8. 09:13 AM - Re: Two weeks to go... (WSC/Herb Coussons)
9. 10:41 AM - Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test (Rick Basiliere)
10. 01:24 PM - test?? (Doug Sapp)
11. 02:24 PM - Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test (David Stroud)
12. 02:45 PM - Re: Flying over densely populated areas (Ron Davis)
13. 02:49 PM - Heat Muff Section and Exhaust Gasket (Frank Haertlein)
14. 03:15 PM - Re: more CHT (Ron Davis)
15. 04:10 PM - Parts (Graeme Frew)
16. 04:49 PM - Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test (Ron Davis)
17. 04:50 PM - The RPA (Drew Blahnick)
18. 06:01 PM - Re: The RPA (KingCJ6@aol.com)
19. 06:25 PM - tank testing (Frank Stelwagon)
20. 06:47 PM - MTW Aerobatic Training (MFilucci@aol.com)
21. 07:04 PM - tanks (jay reiter)
22. 07:20 PM - Re: tanks (David Stroud)
23. 07:51 PM - Re: tanks (Frank Haertlein)
24. 08:06 PM - Celebrate the freedom to fly (Frank Haertlein)
25. 11:45 PM - Re: Re: Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test (Aubrey Price)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I think David was referring to the main air tank Walt.
"....Secondly, the air tank test. I looked inside mine and found some
rust..no much but signs of some. I haven't pressure tested it yet but was
advised by some that if rust is present, dump the tank for a new one. Any
rules or advice on that one? Is 1,200 lbs the standard."
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> David;
> Rust implies a steel tank. Not a good choice for an aircraft fuel tank,
> contamination problems will continue.
> Test pressure maximum is TWO lbs/sq/in. You would never see 1200 psi, it
> would have exploded long before that. Remember this is PSI - so 2 X the
> internal surface area equals what? maybe 3000 lbs?
> Walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
> >
> > Good morning Aubrey. That's a pretty nice set of photos you have on your
> site and
> > I'm interested to hear a bit more about a couple of points when you have
> time, please.
> >
> > First..can you describe the process of the fuel tank repair up to ready
> for install ?
> > Secondly, the air tank test. I looked inside mine and found some
rust..no
> much but signs
> > of some. I haven't pressure tested it yet but was advised by some that
if
> rust is present,
> > dump the tank for a new one. Any rules or advice on that one? Is 1,200
lbs
> the standard
> > rule for testing the tank? Thanks..
> >
> > David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> > Christavia C-FDWS
> > Fairchild 51 early construction
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Exhaust section needed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Anyone have a #2 cylinder exhaust section for an M14 they would like to
sell? If so, please contact me off-list.
Thanks
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Swamp Dragon meeting |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 7/10/2004 11:33:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
talew@comcast.net writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
>
> Most Magnificent Comrade General "pappy" Goolsby,
> I to would like to submit an after action report. I flamed
> a 1 P 28 on the east side of the lake and claim a probable
> Cessna near Lantana.
> The discussions on AMC and aerobatic training will go unmentioned for now as
> there was no interest shown other
> than by the attendees present. I must give a pass on Gary and Sam as I know
> for sure they were prevented from going
> by circumstance beyond their control. I imagine that others
> had a similar problem.
> The weather was great, The food was good. Lets do it again!
> Most Magnificent Comrade General
> Terry Lewis
>
Most Magnificent Comrade General Lewis,
Your after action report duly noted. Pilots Sam (Lion of Judea) Sax and Gary
(Popsicle) duly accused from the wiping post.
Most Magnificent Comrade General Pappy.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Swamp Dragon meeting |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yak52" <yak52@flyredstar.org>
I was stuck in New York for work and could not attend, let's do it again.
Deon Esterhuizen.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry
Subject: Yak-List: Swamp Dragon meeting
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
Most Magnificent Comrade General "pappy" Goolsby,
I to would like to submit an after action report. I flamed
a 1 P 28 on the east side of the lake and claim a probable
Cessna near Lantana.
The discussions on AMC and aerobatic training will go unmentioned for now as
there was no interest shown other
than by the attendees present. I must give a pass on Gary and Sam as I know
for sure they were prevented from going
by circumstance beyond their control. I imagine that others
had a similar problem.
The weather was great, The food was good. Lets do it again!
Most Magnificent Comrade General
Terry Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com>
Test pressure is generally 5/3 working pressure.
50 kg/cm2 approx = 725psi * 5/3 approx = 1200psi
Seems the bottles need to see 1200psi every 5 years.
I do not know if the Russian test standard is the same
as ours.
Zeman
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| Subject: | Re: MTW aerobatic training |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
On Jul 10, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Unless you use your Yak for cross country
> transportation ( you bought the wrong airplane) someday you, too, will
> botch
> a maneuver. At that point your training will be priceless.
>
> bob 52BN
Well put, Bob. For those that missed my write up on it, I took 2 days
of training in the -52 from Yuri Yeltsov of Kazakhstan out here in
SoCal this past spring. I gained such a different level of
appreciation and understanding of the -52 than I had previous to the
training. I, like many, was intimidated by the stories floating about
that the -52 can kill you without proper spin training. Yeah, well,
driving a car can kill you too, you just need to know the rules of the
road to be safe. Same thing with the -52. It is a sweet, honest
airplane, but it does have a few "different" reactions...very
predictable, but different. The CJ is more docile, but I'd sure hate
for someone's first uncoordinated stall to be in the traffic pattern at
an uncontrolled airport, turning base to final when you get a
windscreen full of airplane...
I'll also add that departure from controlled flight can happen in
formation, or even in the traffic pattern at your local airport, as I
just mentioned. There is no reason to not get *at least* spin training
in our aircraft. It's fun, it's a great value, and some day it could
make more of a difference than we care to think about.
If I'm at OSH, I'm going up with Sergei...does he provide oil rags?
Barry
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| Subject: | On board spares - one more thing |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Gang,
There is this incredible tape called Atomic Tape. "Atomic Tape is self
bonding, air tight, water tight, withstands 700 psi, resists 500
degrees F, and insulates 8,000 volts." I bought some at OSH last year
and the stuff is truly amazing. It is the perfect temporary solution
for air leaks on the road, etc. I highly recommend it for your
maintenance travel kit....
It has a gazillion other uses too...
http://www.atomictape.com/
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Two weeks to go... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "WSC/Herb Coussons" <drc@wscare.com>
Barry,
The RV would be a good deal if 2-4 guys split the cost. Contact me off list
to discuss details.
The aerobatic box can be activated any day during the week. I talked to the
MKE FSDO on Friday and they assure me it will be ok'd in time. They have
known about it for 3 mos. and had the paperwork for 2 mos. and they
approved a duplicate application for the June 5-6 MTW airshow - so I have to
believe I will hear about the final OK this week.
Herb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower@cox.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Two weeks to go...
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
>
> On Jul 9, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> > We should have a great time flying the 24th to the 28th then I
> > understand people
> > scatter and enjoy OSH. There will be less planned on those days other
> > than
> > the mass formations for OSH.
>
> Hi Herb and *everyone*,
>
> Great work! My suggestion is that if we do get the RV spot at OSH (I'm
> in if I go, which I should know by next week...) there should be a 5
> o'clock social hour at the RV. Also, it should be stocked with water,
> etc. (put out a donation bucket). The other big thing to have is
> chairs. I don't know if we can rent them with the RV, but well worth
> it to have a place for guys to sit.
>
> We can also have a mulit-media debrief of the days flying there as
> well, if we can get a TV.
>
> I'm still hoping to go, but things are happening with the jets and I
> may well be in Romania that week...
>
> Also, when is the aerobatics box set up for?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Barry
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel tank repair / air tank test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
The fire department has literally dozens of bottles (both SCBA and SCUBA,
and Oxygen) and we cycle them through hydrostatic tests all the time. 5
years for steel and aluminum, and 3 years for graphite. No place that I
have seen in my 26 years of hydrostatically testing bottles would even think
of doing a hydro on a rusty bottle. They "tumble clean it" with rocks or
something and when it is free of rust then they test it to see if it will
still pass. Yes, they are all tested to 5/3 their working pressure. I
don't know the amount of acceptable stretch - next time I bring some to
Denver to test I'll ask.
Respectfully, Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I think David was referring to the main air tank Walt.
"....Secondly, the air tank test. I looked inside mine and found some
rust..no much but signs of some. I haven't pressure tested it yet but was
advised by some that if rust is present, dump the tank for a new one. Any
rules or advice on that one? Is 1,200 lbs the standard."
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> David;
> Rust implies a steel tank. Not a good choice for an aircraft fuel tank,
> contamination problems will continue.
> Test pressure maximum is TWO lbs/sq/in. You would never see 1200 psi, it
> would have exploded long before that. Remember this is PSI - so 2 X the
> internal surface area equals what? maybe 3000 lbs?
> Walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
> >
> > Good morning Aubrey. That's a pretty nice set of photos you have on your
> site and
> > I'm interested to hear a bit more about a couple of points when you have
> time, please.
> >
> > First..can you describe the process of the fuel tank repair up to ready
> for install ?
> > Secondly, the air tank test. I looked inside mine and found some
rust..no
> much but signs
> > of some. I haven't pressure tested it yet but was advised by some that
if
> rust is present,
> > dump the tank for a new one. Any rules or advice on that one? Is 1,200
lbs
> the standard
> > rule for testing the tank? Thanks..
> >
> > David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> > Christavia C-FDWS
> > Fairchild 51 early construction
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
TEST
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Thanks for the insight, Dick and others. I spoke and visited with a few firefighters
and they were sympathetic to my needs but correctly directed me to the facility
that tests their stuff here in town and that's where I hit a stone wall. Can you
think of
other pressure tanks, perhaps from a more industrial application that routinely
need
testing other than SCBA etc., whose application may be able to lead me to a test
facility
for my Housai tank? The rust is not heavy, minimal I'd say and perhaps a little
tumbling
might get the job done. I've bought an real nice 22 cu. ft. Catalina tank from
Evergreen
MidWest and now, combined with the oil tank way up in my pointy front end it is
causing
space problems. Besides..that Housai tank is so funky looking anyway, I'd hate
to not
use the little bugger. Worst case, it'll wind up on my mantel in the office. Thanks..
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
>
> The fire department has literally dozens of bottles (both SCBA and SCUBA,
> and Oxygen) and we cycle them through hydrostatic tests all the time. 5
> years for steel and aluminum, and 3 years for graphite. No place that I
> have seen in my 26 years of hydrostatically testing bottles would even think
> of doing a hydro on a rusty bottle. They "tumble clean it" with rocks or
> something and when it is free of rust then they test it to see if it will
> still pass. Yes, they are all tested to 5/3 their working pressure. I
> don't know the amount of acceptable stretch - next time I bring some to
> Denver to test I'll ask.
> Respectfully, Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Flying over densely populated areas |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Didn't they give the Coast Guard permission to sink ships under the control
of suspected terrorists when the gave the Air Force permission to shoot down
airliners? They may have to correct that oversight in Patriot Act II.
To the point at hand:
What on earth were you thinking when you ask the FAA if you could fly? They
are against it. Always.
As to the "densely populated area" thing consult EAA. Short version- Yes it
says that, no it doesn't mean what it says.
Longer version- EAA has argued (and claims to have won) the point on a
legal technicality, i.e. FAR 1 has no definition of "congested area"
therefore you can't be possible be flying over one.
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| Subject: | Heat Muff Section and Exhaust Gasket |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakkers,
This one's for the archive.
For the 52..............
If you need a hose that goes from the louver air intake to the top of
the heat muff then NAPA Pre-Heater Hose part No. 813-1368 works like a
charm.
Also, if you need an exhaust gasket and you're in an emergency and you
need to get home, then Fel-Pro part No. 60566 works great. This is a
"crushable" gasket, stands up to the heat and conforms to mating
surfaces that may be a little out of spec. I've had one on my No. 2
cylinder for over 40 hours and it's still holding.
Frank
N911OM
YAK-52
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
My thermocouple manual says Type K is made up of a NiCr lead and a
Nickel/Aluminum/Manganese/Silicon lead.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Doug,
Contact me off list about some parts please.
Graeme Frew
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
The problem you will likely encounter is that the hydro facilities won't
test a bottle unless they have the DOT specs for it. In the US, hydrostatic
testing is required by Dept of Transportation regs. The Chinese bottle
isn't built to any North American standards, so most shops won't test them.
Try arguing that you don't want it certified, only tested to see if it blows
up. This usually won't work, but sometimes it will. Look in the yellow
pages for hydrostatic testing or ask a welding shop or fire extinguisher
company who does their testing.
Last resort- you can do it yourself. Use water, not a gas, and dry it
thoroughly in a 250 degree F oven afterwards.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
RPA members,
I've been very busy this month with company flying and preparing for a new
side job, but I updated the web site, and tested online registration,
everything appeared 100% stable - if you are attending any events, even if
it's a "maybe", I've had the planners ask me to press upon all to register
online.
It requires no online payment and helps these folks a great deal.
If you would like to serve on the Board of Directors of the RPA please send
me a short bio. We will conduct an election this month....
Anyone know of a great aircraft paint shop around the Texas or Florida area
with experience in our paint styles (full metal jacket -terrorist
killing-commo schemes) ??
Thanks,
Drew
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--> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
In a message dated 7/11/2004 4:51:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
drewblahnick@hotmail.com writes:
preparing for a new
side job
D - if you think you can score some extra coin by being a "Chip & Dale"
dancer, save your young ass. Think Walmart Greeter!!
Dave
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Stelwagon" <pfstelwagon@earthlink.net>
There was an outfit is southern California that will test the tanks. Someone listed
the name and address on this list, however I did not keep it. Maybe who
ever it was will respond!
Frank
CJ6-A N23021
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| Subject: | MTW Aerobatic Training |
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
Intrepid Aviators All,
Sergei Boriak is scheduled to be available to provide aerobatic training at
MTW for 3 days: July 26,27,28 (Mon, Tues, Wed).
I've had 4 pilots contact me about training with Sergei so far. We are now
ready to set up Sergei's schedule All interested pilots, including the ones who
have already emailed expressing interest, please contact me, off list, to set
up your schedule. You can schedule an entire day to yourself, or split the day
into multiple-pilot sessions. The rate schedule is as follows:
1 pilot, all day = $350.00, plus expenses
2 pilots, all day = $450.00 split by the 2 pilots, plus expenses
3 or more pilots, all day = $550.00 split by the number of pilots, plus
expenses
The expenses will be Sergei's airfare, car rental, hotel, food, and possibly
$150.00 for a travel day. The expenses would be split proportionately by the
participating pilots.
Please contact me off list to schedule your training.
Regards,
Mike Filucci
mfilucci@aol.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
this was posted by Frank some time ago:
TYM's INC.
414 West Arbor Vitae St.
Inglewood, CA 90301
Phone 213-678-3330 or 310-673-3330
They have all the fittings needed to do foreign tanks. They have done
YAKS and MIG tanks for other customers. They're located near LAX.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Please and thanks, Squire...what type of tanks?
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Subject: Yak-List: tanks
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
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> this was posted by Frank some time ago:
> TYM's INC.
> 414 West Arbor Vitae St.
> Inglewood, CA 90301
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> Phone 213-678-3330 or 310-673-3330
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> They have all the fittings needed to do foreign tanks. They have done
> YAKS and MIG tanks for other customers. They're located near LAX.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Jay;
I think I posted that about two years ago....maybe more. One nice thing
is that they realize the tank isn't built to any know US standard so
they use a formula for pressure testing based on the operating pressure
of the tank. They wont certify your tank but at least they'll tell you
if it's safe or not. If you send them your tanks you need to state the
operating pressure (750 Psi) so they can apply their formula. They also
send you a printout of tank stretch and if it's too much they'll tell
you so.
Frank
Yak-52
N911OM
For pressure testing tanks contact:
TYM's INC.
414 West Arbor Vitae St.
Inglewood, CA 90301
Phone 213-678-3330 or 310-673-3330
They have all the fittings needed to do foreign tanks. They have done
YAKS and MIG tanks for other customers. They're located near LAX.
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| Subject: | Celebrate the freedom to fly |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
A little late but worth it
http://www.njagyouth.org/liberty.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
Remember to fill the air bottle with water. If you use air, you will have a
bomb. I used an old metric fitting that would fit the bottle. Then drilled
the center and tapped it to US 1/8 pipe thread so it would fit my
compressor.
-----Original Message-----
From: D Zeman [mailto:curious_wings@yahoo.com]
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
--> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com>
Test pressure is generally 5/3 working pressure.
50 kg/cm2 approx = 725psi * 5/3 approx = 1200psi Seems the bottles need to
see 1200psi every 5 years.
I do not know if the Russian test standard is the same as ours.
Zeman
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