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1. 03:39 AM - Re: Celebrate the freedom to fly (Brian Lloyd)
2. 03:52 AM - Re: Russian vs. US Tires ()
3. 04:35 AM - Re: Russian vs. US Tires (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 07:12 AM - Re: CJ cross country tools/spares (Terry Calloway)
5. 07:32 AM - Re: CJ cross country tools/spares (Brian Lloyd)
6. 07:37 AM - Visit to my Florida bretheren (Brian Lloyd)
7. 07:54 AM - Re: Visit to my Florida bretheren (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 08:04 AM - Tank test (Barry Hancock)
9. 10:46 AM - Re: Flying over densely populated areas (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
10. 10:48 AM - Re: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Pos (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
11. 10:54 AM - Re: Flying over densely populated areas (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
12. 11:43 AM - Re: Wavier (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
13. 12:39 PM - Re: Visit to my Florida bretheren (Brian Lloyd)
14. 12:51 PM - Re: Visit to my Florida bretheren (cjpilot710@aol.com)
15. 03:46 PM - Test?? (Duncan aka Russ)
16. 06:23 PM - MTW aerobatic update (MFilucci@aol.com)
17. 06:58 PM - Re: Flying over densely populated areas (Frank Haertlein)
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| Subject: | Re: Celebrate the freedom to fly |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> A little late but worth it
> http://www.njagyouth.org/liberty.htm
Pretty cool applet. Thanks.
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Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: Russian vs. US Tires |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <lie.buyse@pandora.be>
I put new russian mainwheel tires on recently and I am also experiencing
severe vibration. When checking, the tires aren't perfectly round; all two
have some kind of a dip, but according to the tire grooves this cannot only
be caused by too hard braking. Can something be done wrong when installing
the tires (it is done by a car tire dealer).
Thanks for comments.
Lieven Buyse
Yak52 RA1428K
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Russian vs. US Tires
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
>
> Has anyone else noticed the Desser 500x150 new manufacture tires are
approximately one inch narrower and also one-two inches shorter in diameter
than Russian tires? When comparing the tires side by side, the size
difference is apparent. I asked Desser's representative about this size
difference. He stated he would check it out and get back to me. But, I
have not heard back from him.
>
> On my Yak-52, the smaller Desser tires caused severe vibration/shaking
beginning about 40-45 kts. I just changed back to the larger Russian tires
recapped by Desser and the vibration/shaking is gone.
>
> Maybe the smaller tires from Desser purchased about three years ago were
an aberration. I would be interested to hear anyone's observation or
opinion regarding this matter.
>
> Fly safely.
> Bob M.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Russian vs. US Tires |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
The vibrations you are experiencing with the Russian tires is not at all
uncommon. I recently delivered 2 overhauled Yak 52's with new Russian
tires. The vibrations that I found during initial high speed taxi tests
were horrible. After many hours spent rotating the tires 90 degrees at a
time on the rim, I finally gave up and replaced the tires with Desser's 500
x 150 new tires. Bingo! Problem solved!.
The nose wheel hub itself is also notorious for causing nose wheel
vibrations. On one of the aircraft, we had to add approximately 6.5 ounces
of lead to the hub to stop the vibrations. We replaced the tire and tube
with a Desser tire and tube first. But the vibration remained. Finally,
we put the tire and hub on a bubble balancer. That's when we found it
needed the lead.
The bottom line here is the Russian tires have horrible manufacturing
quality control. At least the ones I have seen over the last 5 years. We
do retread the Russian cores through Desser because Desser does a superb job
of balancing the tire after retreading.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <lie.buyse@pandora.be>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Russian vs. US Tires
> --> Yak-List message posted by: <lie.buyse@pandora.be>
>
> I put new russian mainwheel tires on recently and I am also experiencing
> severe vibration. When checking, the tires aren't perfectly round; all two
> have some kind of a dip, but according to the tire grooves this cannot
only
> be caused by too hard braking. Can something be done wrong when installing
> the tires (it is done by a car tire dealer).
> Thanks for comments.
> Lieven Buyse
> Yak52 RA1428K
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Russian vs. US Tires
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" <yakpilot@wideopenwest.com>
> >
> > Has anyone else noticed the Desser 500x150 new manufacture tires are
> approximately one inch narrower and also one-two inches shorter in
diameter
> than Russian tires? When comparing the tires side by side, the size
> difference is apparent. I asked Desser's representative about this size
> difference. He stated he would check it out and get back to me. But, I
> have not heard back from him.
> >
> > On my Yak-52, the smaller Desser tires caused severe vibration/shaking
> beginning about 40-45 kts. I just changed back to the larger Russian
tires
> recapped by Desser and the vibration/shaking is gone.
> >
> > Maybe the smaller tires from Desser purchased about three years ago were
> an aberration. I would be interested to hear anyone's observation or
> opinion regarding this matter.
> >
> > Fly safely.
> > Bob M.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ cross country tools/spares |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
I carry the latest copy of the YPA member directory. Probably only web
based in the future.
It can come in handy locating some fellow members for help.
tc
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| Subject: | Re: CJ cross country tools/spares |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Terry Calloway wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> I carry the latest copy of the YPA member directory. Probably only web
> based in the future.
Copy it into your PDA and you will still have it.
> It can come in handy locating some fellow members for help.
Good idea.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Visit to my Florida bretheren |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
I have to make a dash across country and back in the Comanche leaving tomorrow
or wednesday morning. Would any of my RPA bretheren in Florida be willing to
put me up for the evening? I normally clear customs at Ft. Pierce but can also
clear at Ft. Lauderdale if that is more convenient. I have to start early the
following morning as I need to traverse about 2/3 of the US in one day if possible.
The sad thing is that new work will prevent me from making it to OSH yet again.
<sigh>
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Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to my Florida bretheren |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 7/12/2004 10:38:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
brianl@lloyd.com writes:
>
> I have to make a dash across country and back in the Comanche leaving
> tomorrow or wednesday morning. Would any of my RPA bretheren in Florida be willing
> to put me up for the evening? I normally clear customs at Ft. Pierce but
> can also clear at Ft. Lauderdale if that is more convenient. I have to start
> early the following morning as I need to traverse about 2/3 of the US in one
> day if possible.
>
> The sad thing is that new work will prevent me from making it to OSH yet
> again. <sigh>
>
>
Brain,
FD44 is open. I have an extra room, the wife is away, and I wanting try a
resturant that re-opened here. Eagle's Nest Aerodrome, 3,200'x100' grass,
Lights (122.85 3 clicks) 284' radial 26nm from OMN (Ormond Beach) VOR Long.-29'N
50", Lat-81'W 36". Desent fuel at 49J or X47.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Stelwagon"
> <pfstelwagon@earthlink.net>
>
> There was an outfit is southern California that will test the tanks.
The outfit is called Tym's..it's also a dry ice house. Do a archive
search to find the number. It's close to LAX and they tested both my
main and emergency bottles no problem. Cost was about $75, I think.
B
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| Subject: | Flying over densely populated areas |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
I am SO sorry for venting, but this kind of nonsense just makes my blood
boil!
Stop and think about this for a minute: "May not be operated over a densely
populated areas or in congested airways, except when otherwise directed by
ATC or in an emergency situation".
Ok, now how many of us fly on a cross country and pay attention to whether
we happen to be flying over a "densely populated area" in our "Experimental
Exhibition" aircraft.
Next: Just what IS a "densely populated area" at least as regards this
specific instruction?
Worse, just what is a "Congested Airway" and how in heavens name is someone
supposed to know THAT?
Hal then wrote: "The rumor is someone did a low pass somewhere".... well,
heck... there are plenty of rules that cover an illegal "low pass",
otherwise known as flat-hatting. But the term "low pass" usually specifies
something done at an airport or other legal area. The idea that the FAA
would try to use the "Densely populated area" aspect of our aircraft
certification tells me that they can't figure out what else to use EXCEPT
for this, which tells ME that they are on a witch hunt and want to "get"
someone no matter what it takes.
Regardless, it would be interesting to see the FAA really try to prosecute a
pilot for an "infraction" of this type. It would be nice if the FAA could
be our friends instead of our enemies, and in some cases I think that
relationship might actually exist, but stories like this really make you
wonder.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: Yakjock [mailto:Yakjock@msn.com]
Subject: Yak-List: Flying over densely populated areas
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
A heads up. Three of us here in Oregon have been preparing to do a flyover
for a July 4th parade to be held on Saturday, the 3rd. Planes included a
Yak 11, Yak 52 and CJ. The parade was to be held over the town of
Hillsboro, a pretty widely spread metropolis of about 45,000 souls. We
received word from the local FSDO that we could not fly over the parade due
to the prohibition in our Operating Limitations that specifies:
"Except for takeoffs and landings, this aircraft may not be operated over
densely populated areas or in congested airways, except when otherwise
directed by ATC or in an emergency situation. When exercising........"
The rumor is that someone did a low pass somewhere and there were complaints
and the FSDO is taking action against the pilot's certificate using the
"densely populated" clause as a basis. The guy at the FSDO that warned our
group is a friend of one of the pilots.
You may wish to reread your limitations and think about whether or not you
would be at risk.
Heck of a way to celebrate Independence Day!
Hal Morley
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ting]
| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Pos |
ting]
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
I have one. Send private email to mgb@jcs.mil if you wish to purchase.
Mark
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Haertlein [mailto:yak52driver@earthlink.net]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly
Posting]
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Jim,
I have two Russian chutes. $400 each.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim and Vivian
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly
Posting]
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim and Vivian" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
Yak List
Did anyone come up with a source for the Russian Parachute.
Jim Selby
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| Subject: | Flying over densely populated areas |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
With respect... this does not make sense to me. Everyone knows the normal
altitude limits of 500 feet and 1000 feet. The 1000 foot limitation also
applies to "Densely populated areas" and ALL aircraft, not just experimental
exhibition.
Anyone who gets hit by a beer bottle (their aircraft that is) is going to be
charged with a violation of the normal regulation for being below 1000 feet
in a Densely populated area, or coming closer than 500 feet to a man made
object or person, NOT the Experimental Exhibition clause.
So that takes us back to the attempted flight over the parade. Did the
folks involved with that intend a lower than 1000 foot formation flight?
Mark
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: Kendel McCarley [mailto:kmmccarley@earthlink.net]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flying over densely populated areas
--> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
> The rumor is that someone did a low pass somewhere and there were
complaints and the FSDO is taking action > against the pilot's certificate
using the "densely populated" clause as a basis. The guy at the FSDO that
warned > our group is a friend of one of the pilots.
I think I may know of this and have looked at the plane involved. It
suffered a dented in leading edge from a beer bottle thrown at it during the
low pass at a lake shore and then went into hiding for many months.
There are other stories involved with this CJ as well.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Your request implies that the original language included in the Operating
Limitations for Experimental Exhibition Aircraft was a function of pilot
ability and/or training rather than the aircraft itself. Clearly, aircraft
limitations should never be tied to whether a person does, or does not have,
formation training.
Just my 2 cents.
Mark G. Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: cpayne@joimail.com [mailto:cpayne@joimail.com]
Subject: Yak-List: Wavier
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
In theory, could the FAST organization forward a request for
blanket wavier (or exemption) to the FAA for purposes of
allowing FAST qualified aviators to overfly "densely
populated" areas in formation for the purposes of aerial
tribute appropriate to the occasion ? Having a copy of such
a letter in the cockpit, would allow flyovers and missing
man flights held in conjunction with local events. Certain
guidelines would apply of course, minimum altitudes, ATC
clearances when in controlled airspace, etc.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to my Florida bretheren |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>>I have to make a dash across country and back in the Comanche leaving
>>tomorrow or wednesday morning.
> Brain,
> FD44 is open. I have an extra room, the wife is away, and I wanting try a
> restaurant that re-opened here. Eagle's Nest Aerodrome, 3,200'x100' grass,
> Lights (122.85 3 clicks) 284' radial 26nm from OMN (Ormond Beach) VOR Long.-29'N
> 50", Lat-81'W 36". Desent fuel at 49J or X47.
That is the best offer I have had in a month of Sundays. Right now I am planning
to try to jump off tomorrow morning. I will make a fuel stop on Great Inagua.
If all works out I will ring you from Ft. Pierce sometime in late afternoon
after clearing customs. I hope to see you before sundown.
Winds and WX seem to favor this trip. I had better go make my offerings to the
weather gods so they don't change their minds.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: Visit to my Florida bretheren |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 7/12/2004 3:40:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
brianl@lloyd.com writes:
>
> That is the best offer I have had in a month of Sundays. Right now I am
> planning to try to jump off tomorrow morning. I will make a fuel stop on Great
> Inagua. If all works out I will ring you from Ft. Pierce sometime in late
> afternoon after clearing customs. I hope to see you before sundown.
>
> Winds and WX seem to favor this trip. I had better go make my offerings to
> the weather gods so they don't change their minds.
>
>
Copied all. Watch out for the normal afternoon CBs around here. The beer
will be awaiting!
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
three
Russ
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| Subject: | MTW aerobatic update |
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
Yak/CJ drivers,
The aerobatic training with Sergei is starting to fill in.
Monday, the 26th, is completely booked with three aviators.
All day Tues is still available.
There are some openings in the sked on Wed.
Mike
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| Subject: | Flying over densely populated areas |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Mark
I can sympathize with you. In my 47 years of life on this earth I've
seen all kinds of restrictions put on my freedoms. From not being able
to fly over the Grand Canyon to being made to wear a motorcycle helmet
to having countless millions of acres of camping ground made off
limits........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. The road to hell
is paved with good intentions........our government, with it's good
intentions, will become tyrannical some day. When virtually every aspect
of your life is prescribed by some law and virtually every aspect of
your behavior is governed by some rule or regulation, you will know
tyranny.
By the way, your program letter is permission by the FAA to fly to the
events you have listed no matter where they are. As another perspective,
I completed my phase 1 operating limitations transiting Riverside,
California. You would be hard pressed to NOT call that a densely
populated area.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich
GS11 Mark G
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Flying over densely populated areas
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
--> <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
I am SO sorry for venting, but this kind of nonsense just makes my blood
boil!
Stop and think about this for a minute: "May not be operated over a
densely populated areas or in congested airways, except when otherwise
directed by ATC or in an emergency situation".
Ok, now how many of us fly on a cross country and pay attention to
whether we happen to be flying over a "densely populated area" in our
"Experimental
Exhibition" aircraft.
Next: Just what IS a "densely populated area" at least as regards this
specific instruction?
Worse, just what is a "Congested Airway" and how in heavens name is
someone
supposed to know THAT?
Hal then wrote: "The rumor is someone did a low pass somewhere"....
well, heck... there are plenty of rules that cover an illegal "low
pass", otherwise known as flat-hatting. But the term "low pass" usually
specifies something done at an airport or other legal area. The idea
that the FAA would try to use the "Densely populated area" aspect of our
aircraft certification tells me that they can't figure out what else to
use EXCEPT for this, which tells ME that they are on a witch hunt and
want to "get" someone no matter what it takes.
Regardless, it would be interesting to see the FAA really try to
prosecute a pilot for an "infraction" of this type. It would be nice if
the FAA could be our friends instead of our enemies, and in some cases I
think that relationship might actually exist, but stories like this
really make you wonder.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: Yakjock [mailto:Yakjock@msn.com]
Subject: Yak-List: Flying over densely populated areas
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
A heads up. Three of us here in Oregon have been preparing to do a
flyover for a July 4th parade to be held on Saturday, the 3rd. Planes
included a Yak 11, Yak 52 and CJ. The parade was to be held over the
town of Hillsboro, a pretty widely spread metropolis of about 45,000
souls. We received word from the local FSDO that we could not fly over
the parade due to the prohibition in our Operating Limitations that
specifies:
"Except for takeoffs and landings, this aircraft may not be operated
over densely populated areas or in congested airways, except when
otherwise directed by ATC or in an emergency situation. When
exercising........"
The rumor is that someone did a low pass somewhere and there were
complaints and the FSDO is taking action against the pilot's certificate
using the "densely populated" clause as a basis. The guy at the FSDO
that warned our group is a friend of one of the pilots.
You may wish to reread your limitations and think about whether or not
you would be at risk.
Heck of a way to celebrate Independence Day!
Hal Morley
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