---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/12/04: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:39 AM - Re: Celebrate the freedom to fly (Brian Lloyd) 2. 03:52 AM - Re: Russian vs. US Tires () 3. 04:35 AM - Re: Russian vs. US Tires (A. Dennis Savarese) 4. 07:12 AM - Re: CJ cross country tools/spares (Terry Calloway) 5. 07:32 AM - Re: CJ cross country tools/spares (Brian Lloyd) 6. 07:37 AM - Visit to my Florida bretheren (Brian Lloyd) 7. 07:54 AM - Re: Visit to my Florida bretheren (cjpilot710@aol.com) 8. 08:04 AM - Tank test (Barry Hancock) 9. 10:46 AM - Re: Flying over densely populated areas (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G) 10. 10:48 AM - Re: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Pos (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G) 11. 10:54 AM - Re: Flying over densely populated areas (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G) 12. 11:43 AM - Re: Wavier (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G) 13. 12:39 PM - Re: Visit to my Florida bretheren (Brian Lloyd) 14. 12:51 PM - Re: Visit to my Florida bretheren (cjpilot710@aol.com) 15. 03:46 PM - Test?? (Duncan aka Russ) 16. 06:23 PM - MTW aerobatic update (MFilucci@aol.com) 17. 06:58 PM - Re: Flying over densely populated areas (Frank Haertlein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:58 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Celebrate the freedom to fly --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Frank Haertlein wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > A little late but worth it > http://www.njagyouth.org/liberty.htm Pretty cool applet. Thanks. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:53 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Yak-List: Russian vs. US Tires --> Yak-List message posted by: I put new russian mainwheel tires on recently and I am also experiencing severe vibration. When checking, the tires aren't perfectly round; all two have some kind of a dip, but according to the tire grooves this cannot only be caused by too hard braking. Can something be done wrong when installing the tires (it is done by a car tire dealer). Thanks for comments. Lieven Buyse Yak52 RA1428K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Monzo" Subject: Yak-List: Russian vs. US Tires > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" > > Has anyone else noticed the Desser 500x150 new manufacture tires are approximately one inch narrower and also one-two inches shorter in diameter than Russian tires? When comparing the tires side by side, the size difference is apparent. I asked Desser's representative about this size difference. He stated he would check it out and get back to me. But, I have not heard back from him. > > On my Yak-52, the smaller Desser tires caused severe vibration/shaking beginning about 40-45 kts. I just changed back to the larger Russian tires recapped by Desser and the vibration/shaking is gone. > > Maybe the smaller tires from Desser purchased about three years ago were an aberration. I would be interested to hear anyone's observation or opinion regarding this matter. > > Fly safely. > Bob M. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:54 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Russian vs. US Tires --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" The vibrations you are experiencing with the Russian tires is not at all uncommon. I recently delivered 2 overhauled Yak 52's with new Russian tires. The vibrations that I found during initial high speed taxi tests were horrible. After many hours spent rotating the tires 90 degrees at a time on the rim, I finally gave up and replaced the tires with Desser's 500 x 150 new tires. Bingo! Problem solved!. The nose wheel hub itself is also notorious for causing nose wheel vibrations. On one of the aircraft, we had to add approximately 6.5 ounces of lead to the hub to stop the vibrations. We replaced the tire and tube with a Desser tire and tube first. But the vibration remained. Finally, we put the tire and hub on a bubble balancer. That's when we found it needed the lead. The bottom line here is the Russian tires have horrible manufacturing quality control. At least the ones I have seen over the last 5 years. We do retread the Russian cores through Desser because Desser does a superb job of balancing the tire after retreading. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Yak-List: Russian vs. US Tires > --> Yak-List message posted by: > > I put new russian mainwheel tires on recently and I am also experiencing > severe vibration. When checking, the tires aren't perfectly round; all two > have some kind of a dip, but according to the tire grooves this cannot only > be caused by too hard braking. Can something be done wrong when installing > the tires (it is done by a car tire dealer). > Thanks for comments. > Lieven Buyse > Yak52 RA1428K > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Monzo" > To: > Subject: Yak-List: Russian vs. US Tires > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bob Monzo" > > > > Has anyone else noticed the Desser 500x150 new manufacture tires are > approximately one inch narrower and also one-two inches shorter in diameter > than Russian tires? When comparing the tires side by side, the size > difference is apparent. I asked Desser's representative about this size > difference. He stated he would check it out and get back to me. But, I > have not heard back from him. > > > > On my Yak-52, the smaller Desser tires caused severe vibration/shaking > beginning about 40-45 kts. I just changed back to the larger Russian tires > recapped by Desser and the vibration/shaking is gone. > > > > Maybe the smaller tires from Desser purchased about three years ago were > an aberration. I would be interested to hear anyone's observation or > opinion regarding this matter. > > > > Fly safely. > > Bob M. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:21 AM PST US From: "Terry Calloway" Subject: RE: Yak-List: CJ cross country tools/spares --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" I carry the latest copy of the YPA member directory. Probably only web based in the future. It can come in handy locating some fellow members for help. tc ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:00 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ cross country tools/spares --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Terry Calloway wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" > > I carry the latest copy of the YPA member directory. Probably only web > based in the future. Copy it into your PDA and you will still have it. > It can come in handy locating some fellow members for help. Good idea. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:48 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Yak-List: Visit to my Florida bretheren --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd I have to make a dash across country and back in the Comanche leaving tomorrow or wednesday morning. Would any of my RPA bretheren in Florida be willing to put me up for the evening? I normally clear customs at Ft. Pierce but can also clear at Ft. Lauderdale if that is more convenient. I have to start early the following morning as I need to traverse about 2/3 of the US in one day if possible. The sad thing is that new work will prevent me from making it to OSH yet again. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:55 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Visit to my Florida bretheren --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com In a message dated 7/12/2004 10:38:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brianl@lloyd.com writes: > > I have to make a dash across country and back in the Comanche leaving > tomorrow or wednesday morning. Would any of my RPA bretheren in Florida be willing > to put me up for the evening? I normally clear customs at Ft. Pierce but > can also clear at Ft. Lauderdale if that is more convenient. I have to start > early the following morning as I need to traverse about 2/3 of the US in one > day if possible. > > The sad thing is that new work will prevent me from making it to OSH yet > again. > > Brain, FD44 is open. I have an extra room, the wife is away, and I wanting try a resturant that re-opened here. Eagle's Nest Aerodrome, 3,200'x100' grass, Lights (122.85 3 clicks) 284' radial 26nm from OMN (Ormond Beach) VOR Long.-29'N 50", Lat-81'W 36". Desent fuel at 49J or X47. Jim Goolsby "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin 1759 "With my shield, or on it" Trojan Warriors BC "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes until some woman stomps all over them." Unknown older man. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:16 AM PST US From: Barry Hancock Subject: Yak-List: Tank test --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Stelwagon" > > > There was an outfit is southern California that will test the tanks. The outfit is called Tym's..it's also a dry ice house. Do a archive search to find the number. It's close to LAX and they tested both my main and emergency bottles no problem. Cost was about $75, I think. B ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:33 AM PST US From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G Subject: RE: Yak-List: Flying over densely populated areas --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G I am SO sorry for venting, but this kind of nonsense just makes my blood boil! Stop and think about this for a minute: "May not be operated over a densely populated areas or in congested airways, except when otherwise directed by ATC or in an emergency situation". Ok, now how many of us fly on a cross country and pay attention to whether we happen to be flying over a "densely populated area" in our "Experimental Exhibition" aircraft. Next: Just what IS a "densely populated area" at least as regards this specific instruction? Worse, just what is a "Congested Airway" and how in heavens name is someone supposed to know THAT? Hal then wrote: "The rumor is someone did a low pass somewhere".... well, heck... there are plenty of rules that cover an illegal "low pass", otherwise known as flat-hatting. But the term "low pass" usually specifies something done at an airport or other legal area. The idea that the FAA would try to use the "Densely populated area" aspect of our aircraft certification tells me that they can't figure out what else to use EXCEPT for this, which tells ME that they are on a witch hunt and want to "get" someone no matter what it takes. Regardless, it would be interesting to see the FAA really try to prosecute a pilot for an "infraction" of this type. It would be nice if the FAA could be our friends instead of our enemies, and in some cases I think that relationship might actually exist, but stories like this really make you wonder. Mark Bitterlich N50YK -----Original Message----- From: Yakjock [mailto:Yakjock@msn.com] Subject: Yak-List: Flying over densely populated areas --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" A heads up. Three of us here in Oregon have been preparing to do a flyover for a July 4th parade to be held on Saturday, the 3rd. Planes included a Yak 11, Yak 52 and CJ. The parade was to be held over the town of Hillsboro, a pretty widely spread metropolis of about 45,000 souls. We received word from the local FSDO that we could not fly over the parade due to the prohibition in our Operating Limitations that specifies: "Except for takeoffs and landings, this aircraft may not be operated over densely populated areas or in congested airways, except when otherwise directed by ATC or in an emergency situation. When exercising........" The rumor is that someone did a low pass somewhere and there were complaints and the FSDO is taking action against the pilot's certificate using the "densely populated" clause as a basis. The guy at the FSDO that warned our group is a friend of one of the pilots. You may wish to reread your limitations and think about whether or not you would be at risk. Heck of a way to celebrate Independence Day! Hal Morley ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:43 AM PST US From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G ting] Subject: RE: Yak-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Pos ting] --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G I have one. Send private email to mgb@jcs.mil if you wish to purchase. Mark N50YK -----Original Message----- From: Frank Haertlein [mailto:yak52driver@earthlink.net] Subject: RE: Yak-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" Jim, I have two Russian chutes. $400 each. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim and Vivian Subject: Re: Yak-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim and Vivian" Yak List Did anyone come up with a source for the Russian Parachute. Jim Selby ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:11 AM PST US From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G Subject: RE: Yak-List: Flying over densely populated areas --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G With respect... this does not make sense to me. Everyone knows the normal altitude limits of 500 feet and 1000 feet. The 1000 foot limitation also applies to "Densely populated areas" and ALL aircraft, not just experimental exhibition. Anyone who gets hit by a beer bottle (their aircraft that is) is going to be charged with a violation of the normal regulation for being below 1000 feet in a Densely populated area, or coming closer than 500 feet to a man made object or person, NOT the Experimental Exhibition clause. So that takes us back to the attempted flight over the parade. Did the folks involved with that intend a lower than 1000 foot formation flight? Mark N50YK -----Original Message----- From: Kendel McCarley [mailto:kmmccarley@earthlink.net] Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flying over densely populated areas --> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley > The rumor is that someone did a low pass somewhere and there were complaints and the FSDO is taking action > against the pilot's certificate using the "densely populated" clause as a basis. The guy at the FSDO that warned > our group is a friend of one of the pilots. I think I may know of this and have looked at the plane involved. It suffered a dented in leading edge from a beer bottle thrown at it during the low pass at a lake shore and then went into hiding for many months. There are other stories involved with this CJ as well. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:57 AM PST US From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G Subject: RE: Yak-List: Wavier --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G Your request implies that the original language included in the Operating Limitations for Experimental Exhibition Aircraft was a function of pilot ability and/or training rather than the aircraft itself. Clearly, aircraft limitations should never be tied to whether a person does, or does not have, formation training. Just my 2 cents. Mark G. Bitterlich N50YK -----Original Message----- From: cpayne@joimail.com [mailto:cpayne@joimail.com] Subject: Yak-List: Wavier --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" In theory, could the FAST organization forward a request for blanket wavier (or exemption) to the FAA for purposes of allowing FAST qualified aviators to overfly "densely populated" areas in formation for the purposes of aerial tribute appropriate to the occasion ? Having a copy of such a letter in the cockpit, would allow flyovers and missing man flights held in conjunction with local events. Certain guidelines would apply of course, minimum altitudes, ATC clearances when in controlled airspace, etc. Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:41 PM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Visit to my Florida bretheren --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd cjpilot710@aol.com wrote: >>I have to make a dash across country and back in the Comanche leaving >>tomorrow or wednesday morning. > Brain, > FD44 is open. I have an extra room, the wife is away, and I wanting try a > restaurant that re-opened here. Eagle's Nest Aerodrome, 3,200'x100' grass, > Lights (122.85 3 clicks) 284' radial 26nm from OMN (Ormond Beach) VOR Long.-29'N > 50", Lat-81'W 36". Desent fuel at 49J or X47. That is the best offer I have had in a month of Sundays. Right now I am planning to try to jump off tomorrow morning. I will make a fuel stop on Great Inagua. If all works out I will ring you from Ft. Pierce sometime in late afternoon after clearing customs. I hope to see you before sundown. Winds and WX seem to favor this trip. I had better go make my offerings to the weather gods so they don't change their minds. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:51:43 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Visit to my Florida bretheren --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com In a message dated 7/12/2004 3:40:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brianl@lloyd.com writes: > > That is the best offer I have had in a month of Sundays. Right now I am > planning to try to jump off tomorrow morning. I will make a fuel stop on Great > Inagua. If all works out I will ring you from Ft. Pierce sometime in late > afternoon after clearing customs. I hope to see you before sundown. > > Winds and WX seem to favor this trip. I had better go make my offerings to > the weather gods so they don't change their minds. > > Copied all. Watch out for the normal afternoon CBs around here. The beer will be awaiting! Jim Goolsby "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin 1759 "With my shield, or on it" Trojan Warriors BC "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes until some woman stomps all over them." Unknown older man. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:31 PM PST US From: "Duncan aka Russ" Subject: Yak-List: Test?? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" three Russ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:00 PM PST US From: MFilucci@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: MTW aerobatic update --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com Yak/CJ drivers, The aerobatic training with Sergei is starting to fill in. Monday, the 26th, is completely booked with three aviators. All day Tues is still available. There are some openings in the sked on Wed. Mike ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:35 PM PST US From: "Frank Haertlein" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Flying over densely populated areas --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" Mark I can sympathize with you. In my 47 years of life on this earth I've seen all kinds of restrictions put on my freedoms. From not being able to fly over the Grand Canyon to being made to wear a motorcycle helmet to having countless millions of acres of camping ground made off limits........and that's just the tip of the iceberg. The road to hell is paved with good intentions........our government, with it's good intentions, will become tyrannical some day. When virtually every aspect of your life is prescribed by some law and virtually every aspect of your behavior is governed by some rule or regulation, you will know tyranny. By the way, your program letter is permission by the FAA to fly to the events you have listed no matter where they are. As another perspective, I completed my phase 1 operating limitations transiting Riverside, California. You would be hard pressed to NOT call that a densely populated area. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich GS11 Mark G Subject: RE: Yak-List: Flying over densely populated areas --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G --> I am SO sorry for venting, but this kind of nonsense just makes my blood boil! Stop and think about this for a minute: "May not be operated over a densely populated areas or in congested airways, except when otherwise directed by ATC or in an emergency situation". Ok, now how many of us fly on a cross country and pay attention to whether we happen to be flying over a "densely populated area" in our "Experimental Exhibition" aircraft. Next: Just what IS a "densely populated area" at least as regards this specific instruction? Worse, just what is a "Congested Airway" and how in heavens name is someone supposed to know THAT? Hal then wrote: "The rumor is someone did a low pass somewhere".... well, heck... there are plenty of rules that cover an illegal "low pass", otherwise known as flat-hatting. But the term "low pass" usually specifies something done at an airport or other legal area. The idea that the FAA would try to use the "Densely populated area" aspect of our aircraft certification tells me that they can't figure out what else to use EXCEPT for this, which tells ME that they are on a witch hunt and want to "get" someone no matter what it takes. Regardless, it would be interesting to see the FAA really try to prosecute a pilot for an "infraction" of this type. It would be nice if the FAA could be our friends instead of our enemies, and in some cases I think that relationship might actually exist, but stories like this really make you wonder. Mark Bitterlich N50YK -----Original Message----- From: Yakjock [mailto:Yakjock@msn.com] Subject: Yak-List: Flying over densely populated areas --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" A heads up. Three of us here in Oregon have been preparing to do a flyover for a July 4th parade to be held on Saturday, the 3rd. Planes included a Yak 11, Yak 52 and CJ. The parade was to be held over the town of Hillsboro, a pretty widely spread metropolis of about 45,000 souls. We received word from the local FSDO that we could not fly over the parade due to the prohibition in our Operating Limitations that specifies: "Except for takeoffs and landings, this aircraft may not be operated over densely populated areas or in congested airways, except when otherwise directed by ATC or in an emergency situation. When exercising........" The rumor is that someone did a low pass somewhere and there were complaints and the FSDO is taking action against the pilot's certificate using the "densely populated" clause as a basis. The guy at the FSDO that warned our group is a friend of one of the pilots. You may wish to reread your limitations and think about whether or not you would be at risk. Heck of a way to celebrate Independence Day! Hal Morley == direct advertising on the Matronics Forums. == == ==