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1. 01:28 AM - Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test (Txusma y Merche)
2. 04:04 AM - Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test (Aubrey Price)
3. 07:01 AM - Re: OSH/FAA (Daniel Fortin)
4. 07:58 AM - callsign change for Dan (DaBear)
5. 11:26 AM - Re: MTW/OSH (WSC/Herb Coussons)
6. 01:24 PM - Voltage Reg (Graeme Frew)
7. 05:56 PM - T-6 Clinic (cpayne@joimail.com)
8. 07:28 PM - Re: T-6 Clinic (Walt Fricke)
9. 07:39 PM - Re: T-6 Clinic (Terry Calloway)
10. 07:46 PM - Re: T-6 Clinic (Jay Land)
11. 09:03 PM - Re: T-6 Clinic (Terry Calloway)
12. 09:56 PM - Re: T-6 Clinic (cjpilot710@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel tank repair / air tank test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Txusma y Merche" <jsagastuy@euskalnet.net>
We repair the aluminiun tanks with PRC DESOTO PR-1440
It is very good product, it used in aeronaultical companies everyday.
In the web page of DESOTO you can see similar products.
You have to remove all the screws of the cover tank.
The tank has to be unfilled and dry.
First you clean the aluminiun with a grin paper and with a solvent. After
you
aply the sealant. It is very easy. Afer 24 hours the sealant is like rubber.
Regards
Jesus
EC-IAQ
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
>
> Giday, Walt. I guess I should have divided my questions into two separate
> subjects and posts to the list. I was really just curious about the
aluminum fuel
> tank repair and secondly, the test for the steel air reservoir for the
start system.
>
> David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> Christavia C-FDWS
> Fairchild 51 early construction
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> >
> > David;
> > Rust implies a steel tank. Not a good choice for an aircraft fuel tank,
> > contamination problems will continue.
> > Test pressure maximum is TWO lbs/sq/in. You would never see 1200 psi, it
> > would have exploded long before that. Remember this is PSI - so 2 X the
> > internal surface area equals what? maybe 3000 lbs?
> > Walt
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
> > >
> > > Good morning Aubrey. That's a pretty nice set of photos you have on
your
> > site and
> > > I'm interested to hear a bit more about a couple of points when you
have
> > time, please.
> > >
> > > First..can you describe the process of the fuel tank repair up to
ready
> > for install ?
> > > Secondly, the air tank test. I looked inside mine and found some
rust..no
> > much but signs
> > > of some. I haven't pressure tested it yet but was advised by some that
if
> > rust is present,
> > > dump the tank for a new one. Any rules or advice on that one? Is 1,200
lbs
> > the standard
> > > rule for testing the tank? Thanks..
> > >
> > > David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
> > > Christavia C-FDWS
> > > Fairchild 51 early construction
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel tank repair / air tank test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
David,
Sorry about not replying sooner. I am in Europe and have been busy.
Fuel tank first.
The Overflow line. This line comes from the edge of the filler, through the
tank and out the bottom. It is to drain any over flow when fueling. For
some reason they put two 90 degree turns in the line. If the aircraft has
ever been exposed to rain and then freezing temperatures, there is a
possibility that this line is ruptured inside the fuel tank because of water
trapped in one of the bends. There are a number of ways to check this. If
the fuel tank is full, put you finger on the inlet and apply a small amount
of pressure to the line on the bottom. If you see air bubbles, call Jill and
Carl. There is a way to fix it.
1. Defuel the tanks
2. Remove them from the aircraft
3. Clean the outside
4. I used paint stripper to clean the rivet line and then a brass brush and
then MEK for the final cleaning.
5. Mix soap and water in a spray bottle.
6. Put the fuel cap on the tank.
7. Have someone put their finger over the vent line. ( Not the one coming
out the bottom of the tank. That is an overflow )
8. Wrap a rag or something to make a seal around an air gun and press it
against the main fuel line fitting. Turn the pressure down to almost
nothing. I watched the tank and when I could see signs of expansion , I
would stop. Every few seconds I would have to add a small amount of air. If
you had the correct fittings and a low pressure regulator, you could setup a
better system with a few oz. of air pressure. Do not over pressure the tank.
9. Have someone start spraying the soap and water over the seam and rivets.
Some of the leaks around the rivets may be very small and hard to find.
10. Clean the area again with MEK. Other solvents will work, but I like MEK.
11. Use tape to make a line on both sides of the rivet line or what ever you
need to seal. This is only to make a nice clean break.
12. Mix the PR 1440 ( FAA approved aircraft fuel tank sealer )
13. Apply the sealer and let it stand for about thirty minutes. Remove the
tape.
14. Leave it alone for 24 hours.
15. Apply Zinc Chromate primer to all exposed surfaces.
16. Reinstall.
Air Tank: Your guess is as good as mine. I had a small amount of rust. I
washed the inside of the tank with solvent. Looked in with an inspection
light. I didn't find anything other than minor pitting. I filled the tank
with water, made a fitting to adapt to my scuba compressor and pressured the
tank to 1200 pounds. ( 150% of normal working pressure). I let it stand for
thirty minutes, looked for any sign of water on the outside. Depressurized
the tank, washed it out with solvent, let it dry, added a few drops of tool
oil, and reinstalled. I don't know that this is the correct way, but it
seems to be the way most are doing it. Be careful when inspecting under
pressure. 1200 pounds of water pressure. Be sure and fill with water. Air
will make a great bomb.
There are pictures on the web site http://www.tammyprice.com/yak under
"Work in Progress"
-----Original Message-----
From: David Stroud [mailto:davestroud@rogers.com]
Subject: Yak-List: Fuel tank repair / air tank test
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Good morning Aubrey. That's a pretty nice set of photos you have on your
site and I'm interested to hear a bit more about a couple of points when you
have time, please.
First..can you describe the process of the fuel tank repair up to ready for
install ? Secondly, the air tank test. I looked inside mine and found some
rust..no much but signs of some. I haven't pressure tested it yet but was
advised by some that if rust is present, dump the tank for a new one. Any
rules or advice on that one? Is 1,200 lbs the standard
rule for testing the tank? Thanks..
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Aubrey,
Jets guys and some big engine prop warbirds used to need a "Letter of
Authorization" (LOA) from the FAA to fly their toys. Since a couple of
years ago, the FAA changed the LOA to "Experimental Type Rating" or ETR.
They simply list on your certificate which high performance warbird one is
allowed to enjoy.
Dan "Able to enjoy the Fouga Magister and Hawker Hunter" Fortin
>From: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Yak-List: OSH/FAA
>Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:10:03 -0500
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
>
>I am behind the power curve. What is a ETR?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cjpilot710@aol.com [mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com]
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: OSH/FAA
>
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
>
>I understand that "FOR CERTAIN", the FAA will be at OSH this year to
>convert
>
>LOAs to ETRs.. Evidently Washington is trying to lighten the back log by
>having someone there.
>Jim Goolsby
>
>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
>deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
>"With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC "The
>reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
>until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
>advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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| Subject: | callsign change for Dan |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
> Aubrey,
>
> Jets guys and some big engine prop warbirds used to need a "Letter of
> Authorization" (LOA) from the FAA to fly their toys. Since a couple of
> years ago, the FAA changed the LOA to "Experimental Type Rating" or ETR.
> They simply list on your certificate which high performance warbird one is
> allowed to enjoy.
>
> Dan "Able to enjoy the Fouga Magister and Hawker Hunter" Fortin
Keep that up Dan and we'll change your callsign to "Rat Bastard.'
:-)
Al "green with envy" DeVere
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "WSC/Herb Coussons" <drc@wscare.com>
Al,
I'll be at MTW for awhile on Friday the 23rd - I'll look for you.
I'll have some folders with needed info for the week and try to get one to
you on Fri.
I'll be there all day on Sat and so will Russ so if I don't see you on Fri -
then Sat AM
Herb
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: MTW/OSH
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
>
> I plan on being there the 23rd .
>
> Al DeVere
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WSC/Herb Coussons" <drc@wscare.com>
> To: "Yak-List Digest Server" <yak-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: MTW/OSH
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "WSC/Herb Coussons" <drc@wscare.com>
> >
> > To all:
> >
> > 2 weeks to go - I hope to finally meet everyone that I feel like I know
> from the last year of being on the e-mail list.
> >
> > I hope every one has plans made. It would be nice if you could register
> on the web site even if you want to pay when you arrive. There are only 7
> people registered on the web site - yet everyone tells me to expect 20-25
> planes. It would be helpful to at least know a head count as problems
like
> running out of oil (I heard about previous years) can be avoided if I get
a
> head count.
> >
> > Plan on arriving in time for dinner Saturday night. The local EAA
chapter
> will provide a meal - it will be included as part of the registration. No
> extra cost. If I get at least 20 people registered by next Friday, I'll
> provide the beer for Saturday night when everyone arrives.
> >
> > We also have a spot reserved in the Warbird area at OSH for an RV. If 4
> guys want to stay at OSH in the RVand split the cost then I'll rent one
and
> get it there. It would be nice to have more of a presence among the NATA,
> and dealers in the area. A place to congregate and hang out is nice. The
> cost of a motorhome would be about 1000$. If up to 4 guys want to split
the
> cost I can have it there Friday or Sat 7-23/24 and take it back Sunday
> afternoon at the end of the airshow. contact me on or off list to work
out
> the details
> >
> > We should have a great time flying the 24th to the 28th then I
understand
> people scatter and enjoy OSH. There will be less planned on those days
> other than the mass formations for OSH.
> >
> > Hope to see lots of registrations come in - The best beer is free beer
so
> plan on registering and getting in Sat 7-24.
> >
> > Herb
> > drc@wscare.com
> > cell 920-639-8434
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Marcus Bates,
Could you contact me off list about your reg please.
Cheers
Graeme Frew
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Dixon/MTW flyers,
Next weekend, at the same time as the Dixon airshow, the
NATA T-6's are doing their clinic at Aurora (ARR), about
44NM east of Dixon. Perhaps a flyby if schedule allows?
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
Careful. I'm a double agent now.
"cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by:
"cpayne@joimail.com"
Dixon/MTW flyers,
Next weekend, at the same time as the Dixon airshow, the
NATA T-6's are doing their clinic at Aurora (ARR), about
44NM east of Dixon. Perhaps a flyby if schedule allows?
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Walter, you traitor! :) You better show yourself at Dixon.
Pumper
>>> walterfricke@yahoo.com 7/18/2004 9:28:28 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
Careful. I'm a double agent now.
"cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message
posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com"
Dixon/MTW flyers,
Next weekend, at the same time as the Dixon airshow, the
NATA T-6's are doing their clinic at Aurora (ARR), about
44NM east of Dixon. Perhaps a flyby if schedule allows?
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
The CJAA guys are also having a jet get together at Rockford, IL -- only 26
miles NE. Sat and Sun.
Jay L
> From: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:38:59 -0500
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-6 Clinic
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> Walter, you traitor! :) You better show yourself at Dixon.
> Pumper
>
>>>> walterfricke@yahoo.com 7/18/2004 9:28:28 PM >>>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
>
> Careful. I'm a double agent now.
>
> "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message
> posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com"
>
> Dixon/MTW flyers,
>
> Next weekend, at the same time as the Dixon airshow, the
> NATA T-6's are doing their clinic at Aurora (ARR), about
> 44NM east of Dixon. Perhaps a flyby if schedule allows?
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Rockford is also the staging airport for the Bonanza's to Oshkosh. Over
100 this year. Skies shoud be busy on Saturday :)
tc
>>> jland@popeandland.com 7/18/2004 9:46:42 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
The CJAA guys are also having a jet get together at Rockford, IL --
only 26
miles NE. Sat and Sun.
Jay L
> From: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:38:59 -0500
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-6 Clinic
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
<tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> Walter, you traitor! :) You better show yourself at Dixon.
> Pumper
>
>>>> walterfricke@yahoo.com 7/18/2004 9:28:28 PM >>>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
>
> Careful. I'm a double agent now.
>
> "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message
> posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com"
>
> Dixon/MTW flyers,
>
> Next weekend, at the same time as the Dixon airshow, the
> NATA T-6's are doing their clinic at Aurora (ARR), about
> 44NM east of Dixon. Perhaps a flyby if schedule allows?
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 7/19/2004 12:03:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
tcalloway@datatechnique.com writes:
> Rockford is also the staging airport for the Bonanza's to Oshkosh. Over
> 100 this year. Skies shoud be busy on Saturday :)
> tc
>
>
Sounds like a target rich environment.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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