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1. 12:24 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 06:08 AM - MTW/OSH pictures (Duncan aka Russ)
3. 07:36 AM - Re: MTW-OSH (Richard Basiliere)
4. 07:39 AM - Re: New -29 MT Prop Blades (Richard Basiliere)
5. 07:52 AM - Re: Fuel indicator problem (Gus Fraser)
6. 08:18 AM - su29 is a warbird !! (Gus Fraser)
7. 08:24 AM - Re: su29 is a warbird !! (Rick Basiliere)
8. 09:19 AM - New -29 MT Prop Blades (Richard Goode)
9. 09:31 AM - Re: New -29 MT Prop Blades (Doug Sapp)
10. 09:37 AM - Re: Effect of horsepower increase on brake holding power requirements ... (Royden Heays)
11. 09:58 AM - Re: New -29 MT Prop Blades (Brian Lloyd)
12. 10:37 AM - Chart Detailing Comparison of MTV-9-260 Propeller with -27 and -29 Blades (Richard Goode)
13. 11:48 AM - Hanger talk game (Duncan aka Russ)
14. 11:56 AM - Songs (Duncan aka Russ)
15. 12:07 PM - Re: Songs (Vectorwarbirds@aol.com)
16. 01:26 PM - Re: Hanger talk game (Brian Lloyd)
17. 02:20 PM - Re: Songs (Gus Fraser)
18. 03:06 PM - Re: su29 is a warbird !! (DaBear)
19. 07:39 PM - CJ in Texas (Daniel Fortin)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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| Subject: | MTW/OSH pictures |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
When I left on Wednesday we had logged 135 hours of formation flying with
varying amounts of aircraft. At one point we had 23 planes on the ramp at
MTW. A great showing with great pilots and great birthday cake! The local
EAA chapter did an excellent job (as usual). Herb and I are going to have a
debriefing/planning session in the next couple of weeks to go over this year
and start planning for next year (for instance: we are thinking about hiring
a Native American Shaman to do a no-rain ceremony for the East Coast).
Russ "Air Boss" Witte-Dycus
North Central Event Coordinator
Red Star Pilot's Association
http://www.flyredstar.org
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
I saw no evidence of RPA on Tuesday and Wednesday, bummer. Met Tom
Johnson though - neat - o-
Ricky B
>>> FamilyGage@aol.com 7/31/2004 8:05:02 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: FamilyGage@aol.com
Hi Guys,
For members like myself who couldn't make OSH, could someone who
attended
give us a brief summary of the event. Have looked at all sites, but no
mention
of RPA.
We would enjoy what happened, and how everything went.
Thanks,
Ray Gage
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| Subject: | Re: New -29 MT Prop Blades |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Thank you very much for that. Rick B
>>> sdalton@goeaston.net 8/1/2004 9:27:13 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
Fellow Yakkers,
While at OSH/MTW we had the opportunity to compare the new -29 MT
blades
to the older -27 blades most of us have on MT props. We used three
-52TW's for the test.
We used Ski's and my -52TW's with the -27 blades, and Paul Horning's
new
-52TW with the new -29 blades. All aircraft had the same engine (400
hp) and fuel load (we had just topped off at OSH). Ski had a
backseater
while Paul and I were solo.
We flew close line abreast formation for the tests (Paul in the lead,
with Ski and I on his wings). We all set the same power settings and
watched to see who was fastest. We left the power set long enough to
see the effects.
Power settings tested were 1900 rpm/27 inches (cruise), 2400 rpm/32
inches (climb), and 2900 rpm/36 inches (max power). We also tried a
climb test with 2400/32 set and a 110 mph climb speed.
Result: Absolutely no difference. Ski would drop back a couple feet
in
a half minute (he had the backseater), but Paul and I flew perfectly
side by side. (On the full power test Paul was maybe 1/2 a knot
faster,
but his tach was reading a little higher than Ski and I.)
I'm sure all our gauges are not exactly the same, but I'm also sure
all
three planes gauges are close enough to show that the new -29 blades
don't do much (if anything) to enhance performance on the -52TW.
However, the big MT spinner Paul had is really nice. It looks much
better on the -52 than the little spinner.
Regards,
Steve Dalton
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| Subject: | Fuel indicator problem |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
I will take a look at it, no promises though.
Contact me off list.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel indicator problem
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Can I send you one to repair? -) Mine also had an erratic quantity display.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel indicator problem
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> Denis,
> I fixed mine. In basic terms the indicator is a D to A converter with what
> amounts to a vu meter on the output (the more volts the more segments
light
> up. In my case the 'units' wire was broken. This caused eratic quantity
> display.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Gus
> ___
> N52EK
> It's a Russian thing
> http://gusfraser.com
>
> ...... Original Message .......
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:40:50 -0500 "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> wrote:
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> >
> >Unfortunately Jerome, most likely you'll need to replace the fuel level
> >indicator/instrument. It is one of the more complex devices on the Yak.
I
> >know of no one who can repair it here in the states. You can trouble
shoot
> >the problem by swapping connectors on the back side of the instrument.
Not
> >too easy, but certainly doable. The problem should NOT follow the
> >connector. If it does, then the problem is outside of the indicator and
> >most likely the fuel level sender in the tank. But that is less likely.
> >You may even see a different problem on the failed side. But if it's the
> >instrument, the problems will remain on the same side.
> >Good luck.
> >Dennis
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jerome Van der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
> >To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Yak-List: Fuel indicator problem
> >
> >
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van der Schaar"
> ><jvds30@hotmail.com>
> >>
> >> During flying my right led fuel indicator dropped from 40 to 12. The
left
> >> one indicates normal.
> >> The right one stays on 12 now, no matter fuelling up the tank or not,
so
> >it
> >> must be electrical somehow I assume. Where to look?
> >>
> >> Jerome
> >> www.yakkes.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | su29 is a warbird !! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
If I sell my 52 and get a suk I can still park in warbirds, problem solved
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~garys/gallery/cruzglry/
Gus
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| Subject: | Re: su29 is a warbird !! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Rick Basiliere <discrab@earthlink.net>
I am sooo keeping this one. Now I have a place to park, neat. Thanks, Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Subject: Yak-List: su29 is a warbird !!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
If I sell my 52 and get a suk I can still park in warbirds, problem solved
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~garys/gallery/cruzglry/
Gus
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| Subject: | New -29 MT Prop Blades |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
New -29 MT Prop Blades
I read Steve Dalton's report on MTV-9 propeller blades, comparing the -27 and -29.
Although we sell a lot of MT props into the aerobatic community, I have no particular
axe to grind, except to suggest that the only true way to evaluate a prop
(or anything else for that matter) is on the same aeroplane, and if not on
the same day, then corrected for any temperature and other variations.
The simple fact is that engines vary considerably in power, and there are many
other factors which will affect the performance of one aeroplane as opposed to
another.
I can say that we have conducted very precise back to back tests on a Sukhoi Su-31,
comparing -27 and -29 blades. The tests were done on the same day, but even
so correction was given for temperature and pressure changes. I attach the
results, and it can be seen that there was a very noticeable increase in performance
in almost every parameter, although in one there was a very slight reduction.
I hope this helps.
Best regards
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Newport House
Almeley
Herefordshire
HR3 6LL
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 322200
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 322208
www.russianaeros.com
dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com
MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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| Subject: | New -29 MT Prop Blades |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Richard,
The list will not permit attachments. Is the info at your web page?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Subject: Yak-List: New -29 MT Prop Blades
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode"
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
New -29 MT Prop Blades
I read Steve Dalton's report on MTV-9 propeller blades, comparing the -27
and -29.
Although we sell a lot of MT props into the aerobatic community, I have no
particular axe to grind, except to suggest that the only true way to
evaluate a prop (or anything else for that matter) is on the same aeroplane,
and if not on the same day, then corrected for any temperature and other
variations.
The simple fact is that engines vary considerably in power, and there are
many other factors which will affect the performance of one aeroplane as
opposed to another.
I can say that we have conducted very precise back to back tests on a Sukhoi
Su-31, comparing -27 and -29 blades. The tests were done on the same day,
but even so correction was given for temperature and pressure changes. I
attach the results, and it can be seen that there was a very noticeable
increase in performance in almost every parameter, although in one there was
a very slight reduction.
I hope this helps.
Best regards
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Newport House
Almeley
Herefordshire
HR3 6LL
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 322200
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 322208
www.russianaeros.com
dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com
MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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| Subject: | Effect of horsepower increase on brake holding power requirements |
...
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
Did you ever get an answer to your question?
Am interested in hearing from you about adding power to your 55M - did
you get the performance increase you had hoped for.
Royden Heays
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Halverson
Subject: Yak-List: Effect of horsepower increase on brake holding power
requirements ...
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Halverson <william@netpros.net>
Hey gang -
I'm curious about the effect of increasing an engine's horse power on
the
need for increased brake holding
power during engine run up.
Assume:
- The a/c has a CV prop.
- The engine's HP increases by 20% by using a higher compression
supercharger
- The maximum prop RPM stays the same.
- The engine run up occurs at 70% max RPM.
I would expect that the brake holding force would have to increase, by
70%
of 20% or 14%.
Comments and opinions solicited!
Bill Halverson
==
==
==
==
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| Subject: | Re: New -29 MT Prop Blades |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Richard Goode wrote:
> I can say that we have conducted very precise back to back tests on a
> Sukhoi Su-31, comparing -27 and -29 blades. The tests were done on
> the same day, but even so correction was given for temperature and
> pressure changes. I attach the results, and it can be seen that there
> was a very noticeable increase in performance in almost every
> parameter, although in one there was a very slight reduction.
>
> I hope this helps.
Attachments get stripped by the Matronics server. If you can embed the information
as text in the message itself, it will go through.
But let me guess anyway, top speed suffered slightly.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Chart Detailing Comparison of MTV-9-260 Propeller with -27 and |
-29 Blades
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Comparison of MTV-9-260 Propeller with -27 and -29 Blades
OLD MTV-9-260 (-27)
NEW MTV-9-260 (-29)
CHANGE
Max level speed 400 mts (agl)
310 km/h
330 km/h
+
6%
Speed at 69% rpm & 600 mm/hg
230 km/h
245 km/h
+
6%
Vertical gain from 200 mts (agl)& 200 km/h ias
450 mts
515 mts
+
14%
Vertical gain from 200 mts (agl)&300 km/h ias
650 mts
740 mts
+
13%
Vertical gain from 200 mts (agl)&400 km/h ias
750 mts
820 mts
+
9%
Max speed (diving from 1100 mts (agl) to 500 mts)
400 km/h
395 km/h
-
-1.2%
Field elevation 650 mts
Engine M -14 PF - 400HP
Pilot: Alex Maclean
Aircraft: Su-31 (tests done on same day with corrections)
Best regards
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Newport House
Almeley
Hereford
HR3 6LL
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 322200
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 322208
www.russianaeros.com
dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com
MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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| Subject: | Hanger talk game |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
The next time you have a few moments of hanger time (aka weather delays,
aircraft maintenance, airshow you can't fly in because of stupid insurance
regulations, etc). Try this games that Dan Fortin and I came up with at OSH
2004.
Assumptions:
1. You have Kermit Weeks or Bill Gates money to spend (aka unlimited
funds).
2. You can choice only one aircraft for each of the categories
3. They have to be warbirds
Categories:
1. Single engine rotary
2. Mult-engine rotary
3. Single engine in-line
4. Mutli-engine in-line
5. Single turbine engine
6. Multi-turbine engine
7. Rotary wing aircraft
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
I would like from each of you your favorite song that inspires your flying.
This list I have so far. Is not a debate about the songs, so no busting
each others choices! After I have more songs I'll put a poll together on
the Red Star website so we can pick our favorites. This is a hint: (this
could become a RedStar music CD).
+ Top Gun Theme
+ Several other tunes from Top Gun (I'll have the names for the poll)
+ Miami Vice theme
+ The A-team theme
+ Gerry McGuire (The 7th Calvary theme from the Errol Flynn movie)
+ Good Vibrations
+ Old 633 (6 3 3 Squadron, Mossie movie)
+ This Magic Moment (gleaned from de-briefs at MTW/OSH 2004)
Russ "Air Boss" Witte-Dycus
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Vectorwarbirds@aol.com
Russ,
No doubt about it, Queen - One Vision.
Tally Ho!
Bunnski
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger talk game |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Duncan aka Russ wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
>
> The next time you have a few moments of hanger time (aka weather delays,
> aircraft maintenance, airshow you can't fly in because of stupid insurance
> regulations, etc). Try this games that Dan Fortin and I came up with at OSH
> 2004.
>
> Assumptions:
> 1. You have Kermit Weeks or Bill Gates money to spend (aka unlimited
> funds).
> 2. You can choice only one aircraft for each of the categories
> 3. They have to be warbirds
>
> Categories:
> 1. Single engine rotary
> 2. Mult-engine rotary
I presume you mean radial rather than rotary otherwise we are talking WW-I vintage
aircraft.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
My own personal fav is "My name is Tommy Tucker and I'm a ,....."
Also Little green bag, music from Reservoir dogs as the guys walk out with
sun glasses on.
Imagine that as the crews walk to the aircraft.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Duncan aka Russ
Subject: Yak-List: Songs
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
I would like from each of you your favorite song that inspires your flying.
This list I have so far. Is not a debate about the songs, so no busting
each others choices! After I have more songs I'll put a poll together on
the Red Star website so we can pick our favorites. This is a hint: (this
could become a RedStar music CD).
+ Top Gun Theme
+ Several other tunes from Top Gun (I'll have the names for the poll)
+ Miami Vice theme
+ The A-team theme
+ Gerry McGuire (The 7th Calvary theme from the Errol Flynn movie)
+ Good Vibrations
+ Old 633 (6 3 3 Squadron, Mossie movie)
+ This Magic Moment (gleaned from de-briefs at MTW/OSH 2004)
Russ "Air Boss" Witte-Dycus
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| Subject: | Re: su29 is a warbird !! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
I like how the RPM guage is marked in green all the way to 100%. Guess
there is really only
2 settings, on and off for the M14P in the Suk.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Basiliere" <discrab@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: su29 is a warbird !!
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Rick Basiliere <discrab@earthlink.net>
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> I am sooo keeping this one. Now I have a place to park, neat. Thanks,
Rick
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: su29 is a warbird !!
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> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
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> If I sell my 52 and get a suk I can still park in warbirds, problem solved
> :)))))))))))))))))))))))))
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> http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~garys/gallery/cruzglry/
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> Gus
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Folks,
Heard a rumor about a CJ that had crash in Texas on its way home from KOSH.
Anyone knows anything about that?
Dan
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