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1. 05:29 AM - Re: Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor (Terry Calloway)
3. 06:30 AM - (Tim Gagnon)
4. 06:54 AM - Re: (DaBear)
5. 07:38 AM - Re: (Jim Bowerman)
6. 07:55 AM - Re: Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor (Rick Basiliere)
7. 08:16 AM - Re: Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor (Terry Calloway)
8. 08:31 AM - Amp meter /voltmeter (Aubrey Price)
9. 08:39 AM - Dan Mooney please contact Doug Sapp 509-826-4610 (Doug Sapp)
10. 02:01 PM - Infected email from Drew (Aapilot) (Yakjock)
11. 02:09 PM - Re: (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
12. 04:23 PM - Re: (YakL1@aol.com)
13. 06:00 PM - Re: Infected email from Drew (Aapilot) (Brian Lloyd)
14. 07:20 PM - Once you go Russian you never go back. (Gus Fraser)
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| Subject: | Re: Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
James,
I'm emailing you off-list the prop governor adjustment procedure from the
M14 manual.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Enkema" <lennoxlimited@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "James Enkema"
<lennoxlimited@earthlink.net>
>
> I want to put a smoke system in my YAK 52. Is someone out there making a
smoke oil tank that will fit neatly behind the rear seat. The avionics tray
is empty. I want to fill outside with a cap or a flush door to access fill
tube. Am I correct with information that I need to calibrate my pump to 8
gal/min. That seemed a little high so please someone verify for me. I have
a tank made from an old freon bottle. Anybody with suggestions I am all
ears. Seems like I remember a web site with all sorts of info on smoke
systems but I haven't been able to find it again.
>
> Second problem: First flight last week in a 1991 YAK 52 I have been doing
some work on for the last year. The cylinders all have 70+, fuel pressure
is on the high side. All temps are good except CHT and it stays right on
the top edge of the green. It doesn't seem to have the same climb
performance as my other 1989 YAK 52 on departure. I noticed this plane only
turns up about 92% at sea level on a 80 degree day and my other bird pegs
the tach. I have a prop book and have checked and both are set correctly
and the same. On the plane with the poor performance the stop on the prop
govenor at fine pitch is screwed way out. Is there a procedure for setting
max prop RPM's. Is there a blower and if so how can I determine that it is
working properly? Questions...questions...questions.
>
> Thanks
> Jim Enkema
>
>
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| Subject: | Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Wow, 8 gallons per minute. My pump supplys 1.5 gallons per minute and
it works fine. I think you've got it wrong. The tank needs to be
around 8 gallons to have enough for a decent air show routine.
tc
>>> fraseg@comcast.net 8/8/2004 7:48:26 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
8 gal is high unless you want a very dirty underside :)
4 to 6 should be fine.
For the engine performance
What are the degree marks indicating on the prop ?
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Enkema
Subject: Yak-List: Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor
--> Yak-List message posted by: "James Enkema"
<lennoxlimited@earthlink.net>
I want to put a smoke system in my YAK 52. Is someone out there making
a
smoke oil tank that will fit neatly behind the rear seat. The avionics
tray
is empty. I want to fill outside with a cap or a flush door to access
fill
tube. Am I correct with information that I need to calibrate my pump
to 8
gal/min. That seemed a little high so please someone verify for me. I
have
a tank made from an old freon bottle. Anybody with suggestions I am
all
ears. Seems like I remember a web site with all sorts of info on
smoke
systems but I haven't been able to find it again.
Second problem: First flight last week in a 1991 YAK 52 I have been
doing
some work on for the last year. The cylinders all have 70+, fuel
pressure
is on the high side. All temps are good except CHT and it stays right
on
the top edge of the green. It doesn't seem to have the same climb
performance as my other 1989 YAK 52 on departure. I noticed this plane
only
turns up about 92% at sea level on a 80 degree day and my other bird
pegs
the tach. I have a prop book and have checked and both are set
correctly
and the same. On the plane with the poor performance the stop on the
prop
govenor at fine pitch is screwed way out. Is there a procedure for
setting
max prop RPM's. Is there a blower and if so how can I determine that
it is
working properly? Questions...questions...questions.
Thanks
Jim Enkema
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
This board is beginning that wing drop that leads into a tightly wrapped spin.
Good thing we did not think this way about the Russians when they were in power.
We would all be flying T-34s.
My experience with the Islamic community has been civil. And by the way, that experience
has been in; UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Jordan...oh..and
Iraq.
"I've take'n the assault on our freedoms personally. For example, I
refuse to shop or visit any store that is run by muslims. I'm engaging
in a personal boycott of anything muslim. If the rest of us would do the
same they would leave this country in short order."
Tim Gagnon
Yak-50 359FG
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Tim,
There will always be a group of folks that have opinions that lean outside
moderate tendancies. I don't see it as the yak list entering a spin as much
as knowing that we need to avoid that weather area.
Lumping all muslims with the fringe terrorists would be the same as lumping
all christians in with those christian terrorists that kill doctors that
perform abortions. Sorry, the extremists do not represent the majority.
Same with the Yak-list.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Subject: Yak-List:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> This board is beginning that wing drop that leads into a tightly wrapped
spin. Good thing we did not think this way about the Russians when they were
in power. We would all be flying T-34s.
>
> My experience with the Islamic community has been civil. And by the way,
that experience has been in; UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar, Pakistan,
Afghanistan, Jordan...oh..and Iraq.
>
> "I've take'n the assault on our freedoms personally. For example, I
> refuse to shop or visit any store that is run by muslims. I'm engaging
> in a personal boycott of anything muslim. If the rest of us would do the
> same they would leave this country in short order."
>
> Tim Gagnon
> Yak-50 359FG
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Bowerman <jfbowerman@vartec.net>
Well said.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: DaBear [mailto:dabear@damned.org]
Subject: Re: Yak-List:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Tim,
There will always be a group of folks that have opinions that lean outside
moderate tendancies. I don't see it as the yak list entering a spin as much
as knowing that we need to avoid that weather area.
Lumping all muslims with the fringe terrorists would be the same as lumping
all christians in with those christian terrorists that kill doctors that
perform abortions. Sorry, the extremists do not represent the majority.
Same with the Yak-list.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Subject: Yak-List:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> This board is beginning that wing drop that leads into a tightly wrapped
spin. Good thing we did not think this way about the Russians when they were
in power. We would all be flying T-34s.
>
> My experience with the Islamic community has been civil. And by the way,
that experience has been in; UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar, Pakistan,
Afghanistan, Jordan...oh..and Iraq.
>
> "I've take'n the assault on our freedoms personally. For example, I
> refuse to shop or visit any store that is run by muslims. I'm engaging
> in a personal boycott of anything muslim. If the rest of us would do the
> same they would leave this country in short order."
>
> Tim Gagnon
> Yak-50 359FG
>
>
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| Subject: | Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Rick Basiliere <discrab@earthlink.net>
The SU-29 manuals state 1.5 lpm. That is just about what she is putting out, stock.
However, diesel is of visibly lower quality smoke than Corvis oil. What
are you guys using for smoke oil, where do you get it, and how much does it cost?
Usually it is provided and I haven't had to look it up. Thanks, Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Calloway <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Wow, 8 gallons per minute. My pump supplys 1.5 gallons per minute and
it works fine. I think you've got it wrong. The tank needs to be
around 8 gallons to have enough for a decent air show routine.
tc
>>> fraseg@comcast.net 8/8/2004 7:48:26 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
8 gal is high unless you want a very dirty underside :)
4 to 6 should be fine.
For the engine performance
What are the degree marks indicating on the prop ?
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Enkema
Subject: Yak-List: Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor
--> Yak-List message posted by: "James Enkema"
<lennoxlimited@earthlink.net>
I want to put a smoke system in my YAK 52. Is someone out there making
a
smoke oil tank that will fit neatly behind the rear seat. The avionics
tray
is empty. I want to fill outside with a cap or a flush door to access
fill
tube. Am I correct with information that I need to calibrate my pump
to 8
gal/min. That seemed a little high so please someone verify for me. I
have
a tank made from an old freon bottle. Anybody with suggestions I am
all
ears. Seems like I remember a web site with all sorts of info on
smoke
systems but I haven't been able to find it again.
Second problem: First flight last week in a 1991 YAK 52 I have been
doing
some work on for the last year. The cylinders all have 70+, fuel
pressure
is on the high side. All temps are good except CHT and it stays right
on
the top edge of the green. It doesn't seem to have the same climb
performance as my other 1989 YAK 52 on departure. I noticed this plane
only
turns up about 92% at sea level on a 80 degree day and my other bird
pegs
the tach. I have a prop book and have checked and both are set
correctly
and the same. On the plane with the poor performance the stop on the
prop
govenor at fine pitch is screwed way out. Is there a procedure for
setting
max prop RPM's. Is there a blower and if so how can I determine that
it is
working properly? Questions...questions...questions.
Thanks
Jim Enkema
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| Subject: | Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Your smoke oil should be Corvus, Canopus, or Vitra 13. A viscosity
index of 95, making it just under 5 wt oil, and a flash point of around
370. As the most ideal smoke oil has a low flash point.
Be careful about accecpting what the oil distributor will offer as
cheaper alternatives. We flew an air show this year and the smoke was
making everyone sick so they had to do Sunday performaces without smoke.
This was not a good thing.
Deno and I will use around 7-9 gallons per performance each. I have
never tried Jet fuel and don't believe I would.
All the smoke oil is provided by the air shows we are performing. For
practice we use the above mentioned purchased from a local oil
distributor or buy it off the local air show for what is left over.
Thanks;
tc
>>> discrab@earthlink.net 8/9/2004 9:55:08 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Rick Basiliere <discrab@earthlink.net>
The SU-29 manuals state 1.5 lpm. That is just about what she is putting
out, stock. However, diesel is of visibly lower quality smoke than
Corvis oil. What are you guys using for smoke oil, where do you get it,
and how much does it cost? Usually it is provided and I haven't had to
look it up. Thanks, Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Calloway <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
<tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Wow, 8 gallons per minute. My pump supplys 1.5 gallons per minute and
it works fine. I think you've got it wrong. The tank needs to be
around 8 gallons to have enough for a decent air show routine.
tc
>>> fraseg@comcast.net 8/8/2004 7:48:26 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
8 gal is high unless you want a very dirty underside :)
4 to 6 should be fine.
For the engine performance
What are the degree marks indicating on the prop ?
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of James Enkema
Subject: Yak-List: Smoke sys. questions and prop govenor
--> Yak-List message posted by: "James Enkema"
<lennoxlimited@earthlink.net>
I want to put a smoke system in my YAK 52. Is someone out there
making
a
smoke oil tank that will fit neatly behind the rear seat. The
avionics
tray
is empty. I want to fill outside with a cap or a flush door to access
fill
tube. Am I correct with information that I need to calibrate my pump
to 8
gal/min. That seemed a little high so please someone verify for me.
I
have
a tank made from an old freon bottle. Anybody with suggestions I am
all
ears. Seems like I remember a web site with all sorts of info on
smoke
systems but I haven't been able to find it again.
Second problem: First flight last week in a 1991 YAK 52 I have been
doing
some work on for the last year. The cylinders all have 70+, fuel
pressure
is on the high side. All temps are good except CHT and it stays right
on
the top edge of the green. It doesn't seem to have the same climb
performance as my other 1989 YAK 52 on departure. I noticed this
plane
only
turns up about 92% at sea level on a 80 degree day and my other bird
pegs
the tach. I have a prop book and have checked and both are set
correctly
and the same. On the plane with the poor performance the stop on the
prop
govenor at fine pitch is screwed way out. Is there a procedure for
setting
max prop RPM's. Is there a blower and if so how can I determine that
it is
working properly? Questions...questions...questions.
Thanks
Jim Enkema
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| Subject: | Amp meter /voltmeter |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
While we are fixing, I could use some help. I have an amp/volt meter that
has never worked. I am going to try and disassemble it and try a repair. Has
anyone ever had one apart. Any advise?
-----Original Message-----
From: Gus Fraser [mailto:fraseg@comcast.net]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fuel indicator problem
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
I will take a look at it, no promises though.
Contact me off list.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel indicator problem
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Can I send you one to repair? -) Mine also had an erratic quantity display.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel indicator problem
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> Denis,
> I fixed mine. In basic terms the indicator is a D to A converter with what
> amounts to a vu meter on the output (the more volts the more segments
light
> up. In my case the 'units' wire was broken. This caused eratic quantity
> display.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Gus
> ___
> N52EK
> It's a Russian thing
> http://gusfraser.com
>
> ...... Original Message .......
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:40:50 -0500 "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> wrote:
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> >
> >Unfortunately Jerome, most likely you'll need to replace the fuel level
> >indicator/instrument. It is one of the more complex devices on the Yak.
I
> >know of no one who can repair it here in the states. You can trouble
shoot
> >the problem by swapping connectors on the back side of the instrument.
Not
> >too easy, but certainly doable. The problem should NOT follow the
> >connector. If it does, then the problem is outside of the indicator and
> >most likely the fuel level sender in the tank. But that is less likely.
> >You may even see a different problem on the failed side. But if it's the
> >instrument, the problems will remain on the same side.
> >Good luck.
> >Dennis
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jerome Van der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
> >To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Yak-List: Fuel indicator problem
> >
> >
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van der Schaar"
> ><jvds30@hotmail.com>
> >>
> >> During flying my right led fuel indicator dropped from 40 to 12. The
left
> >> one indicates normal.
> >> The right one stays on 12 now, no matter fuelling up the tank or not,
so
> >it
> >> must be electrical somehow I assume. Where to look?
> >>
> >> Jerome
> >> www.yakkes.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Dan Mooney please contact Doug Sapp 509-826-4610 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Your message has encountered delivery problems
to the following recipient(s):
AMRemployee@aa.com
Delivery failed
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No recipients were successfully delivered to.
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| Subject: | Infected email from Drew (Aapilot) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Drew,
I got an email from you that was infected. Please bring your anti-virus sytem
up to date.
If anyone else gets an email from Drew with no subject trash can it.
Hal
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Al, you are exactly correct. "Avoid the weather area" is the best advice
anyone can give.
This includes yourself.. if you don't mind. For example.... making
statements comparing fringe Muslim terrorists with fringe Christian
terrorists. That kind of statement simply leads to further disagreement and
the replies it can generate (call this message one of those if you will). I
KNOW that it is your opinion that such a comparison seems fair and logical,
but most people DO feel that way about their own beliefs. And Al... with
respect, I do not agree with yours, which means absolutely nothing other
than... this is simply not the place to discuss it.
For example, I have been everywhere Tim Gagnon listed (Hi Tim!) and I came
away with a completely different perspective, which I am NOT going to
express here.
Let's agree to keep religious beliefs, perspectives, and opinions OUT of the
YAK List entirely. It is an excellent way to make enemies out of close
friends.
R/S,
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: DaBear [mailto:dabear@damned.org]
Subject: Re: Yak-List:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Tim,
There will always be a group of folks that have opinions that lean outside
moderate tendancies. I don't see it as the yak list entering a spin as much
as knowing that we need to avoid that weather area.
Lumping all muslims with the fringe terrorists would be the same as lumping
all christians in with those christian terrorists that kill doctors that
perform abortions. Sorry, the extremists do not represent the majority.
Same with the Yak-list.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Subject: Yak-List:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> This board is beginning that wing drop that leads into a tightly wrapped
spin. Good thing we did not think this way about the Russians when they were
in power. We would all be flying T-34s.
>
> My experience with the Islamic community has been civil. And by the way,
that experience has been in; UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar, Pakistan,
Afghanistan, Jordan...oh..and Iraq.
>
> "I've take'n the assault on our freedoms personally. For example, I
> refuse to shop or visit any store that is run by muslims. I'm engaging
> in a personal boycott of anything muslim. If the rest of us would do the
> same they would leave this country in short order."
>
> Tim Gagnon
> Yak-50 359FG
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: YakL1@aol.com
Hear Hear:
Mark, you are right on. I apologize, again for giving into political
banner-waving. Let's stay friends and flying buddies. The big issues will sort
themselves out, regardless of what words are typed here.
John Zecherle
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| Subject: | Re: Infected email from Drew (Aapilot) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Aug 9, 2004, at 5:00 PM, Yakjock wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>
> Drew,
>
> I got an email from you that was infected. Please bring your
> anti-virus sytem up to date.
>
> If anyone else gets an email from Drew with no subject trash can it.
The SPAM systems are starting to get smart and sending email to people
ostensibly from people they know. I have received email purporting to
come from friends and the mail was never sent by them.
So, it may be that the email never actually came from Drew.
Still, your admonition is a good one.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Once you go Russian you never go back. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
After 9 years of owning a Yak 52 I am giving in and selling up.
Hurray I hear some of you say, not so fast, once you go Russian you never go
back. I am getting an I3, kind of an SU29 with metal wings.
Anyway, if you are looking for a 1996 Yak 52 (one of the last batch of
traditional Yaks before the change to the 52W) 450 hours total time and 300
hours on the engine. Fitted with 6 cameras, 15 Gal reserve tank, behind the
px seat, precision software AOA indicator, JPI 450 fuel flow indicator.
If you are interested please contact me off list.
Gus
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