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1. 04:05 AM - Re: NBC (cpayne1@joimail.com)
2. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: NBC (Brian Lloyd)
3. 07:47 AM - Re: NBC (Brian Lloyd)
4. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: NBC (Dave Petri)
5. 09:51 AM - Re: NBC (Gus Fraser)
6. 09:59 AM - Hurricane Charlie (cpayne1@joimail.com)
7. 10:21 AM - Re: Hurricane Charlie (Ernie)
8. 10:24 AM - Re: NBC (Brian Lloyd)
9. 10:37 AM - Re: Hurricane Charlie (Brian Lloyd)
10. 11:23 AM - Re: Hurricane Charlie (cjpilot710@aol.com)
11. 11:56 AM - Re: Hurricane Charlie (Mills, Bill)
12. 12:06 PM - Re: NBC (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
13. 12:26 PM - Re: Hurricane Charlie (Ernie)
14. 12:59 PM - Re: NBC (Dave Laird)
15. 01:56 PM - NBC (Phil Boyers response) (Gus Fraser)
16. 02:23 PM - Re: Hurricane Charlie (Ernie)
17. 02:24 PM - Re: Hurricane Charlie (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: NBC (Terry)
19. 03:37 PM - Re: Hurricane Charlie (Ernie)
20. 05:16 PM - Re: Hurricane Charlie (Ernie)
21. 10:01 PM - Re: NBC (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
22. 11:26 PM - Fw: Fw: Cow Tracking (N13472@aol.com)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com" <cpayne1@matronics.com>
Hmmm, CBS did Airparks, NBC wants to show how eary is it to:
(insert subject here), FOX did Nuke plants a few years ago,
photographed circling a Nuke from a 'copter (while the pilot
was talking to ATC) BIG expose here.
So what is ABC up to? Double check them incoming Porta
Potties at airshows to be sure they are not filled with
Simulated Terrorists.
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Aug 13, 2004, at 7:03 AM, cpayne1@joimail.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com"
> <cpayne1@matronics.com>
>
> Hmmm, CBS did Airparks, NBC wants to show how eary is it to:
> (insert subject here), FOX did Nuke plants a few years ago,
> photographed circling a Nuke from a 'copter (while the pilot
> was talking to ATC) BIG expose here.
>
> So what is ABC up to? Double check them incoming Porta
> Potties at airshows to be sure they are not filled with
> Simulated Terrorists.
You know what? Terrorists can get into the US and do bad things. We
*KNOW* this. It is *NOT* going to change short of implementing a
police state. Still, I am far more likely to die at the hands of a
drunk driver than at the hands of a terrorist so I am not going to get
all worked up about it.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Aug 12, 2004, at 9:42 PM, Terry wrote:
>> This points out just how good security is at our GA airports. No
>> metal
>> detector is as sensitive as a suspicious airport bum.
>
> These airport "BUMS" are my Heros.
I do not use that term as a pejorative. I consider myself to be an
"airport bum" the same way I am a "computer geek".
> More heads up people like this and our security and media problems
> would be
> less of a problem.
Right on Bro!
> Stay alert . Your airport next?
Did anyone else see what that wanker Hal Fishman said in his commentary
a couple of days ago? And he is a pilot! For those of you who don't
know him, he is the news anchor at KTLA-5 in Los Angeles. KTLA is
carried as a "superstation" on many of the cable and DBS TV feeds. He
posted a commentary about how GA could be used for terrorist activities
which bordered on someone yelling "fire" in a crowded movie house.
These know-nothing media weenies who are "out to protect the people"
make me want to scream. Bloody demagogues.
BTW, here is the first sentence in his reply to my comment to him:
"Brian: As a pilot I understand your concerns, but from my point of
view I put the welfare of the people in our communities before my love
of flying."
Oh puh-leeze!
In his "commentary" he went on to talk about how he and his airplane
could be used for terrorist attacks, most of it just BS. But people
listen and believe so we end up with yet another public relations
problem. Grrrr.
Barry; you probably know this guy. Go knock some sense into him.
If anyone wants to see my exchange with him I will be happy to forward
it to you. If enough people want to see it I will post it here. I
have already sent the whole thing along to the AOPA in hopes they can
do some damage control.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave Petri" <david.petri@earthlink.net>
Did NBC do a story on how unsuccessful their two "hijackers" were? That
would certainly be very telling if they kept mum... along the lines Brian
recently pointed out.
Cheers,
Dave
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 08/13/2004 8:44:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: NBC
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2004, at 7:03 AM, cpayne1@joimail.com wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com"
> > <cpayne1@matronics.com>
> >
> > Hmmm, CBS did Airparks, NBC wants to show how eary is it to:
> > (insert subject here), FOX did Nuke plants a few years ago,
> > photographed circling a Nuke from a 'copter (while the pilot
> > was talking to ATC) BIG expose here.
> >
> > So what is ABC up to? Double check them incoming Porta
> > Potties at airshows to be sure they are not filled with
> > Simulated Terrorists.
>
> You know what? Terrorists can get into the US and do bad things. We
> *KNOW* this. It is *NOT* going to change short of implementing a
> police state. Still, I am far more likely to die at the hands of a
> drunk driver than at the hands of a terrorist so I am not going to get
> all worked up about it.
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
I am going to propose to AOPA that on my membership they should offer me the
opportunity to contribute $5 or whatever with my membership that can go into
a bounty fund. That way when someone makes a good hit, like this guy AOPA ca
award a bounty. That way we can show our appreciation of those 'airport
bums' dong the right thing. Any thoughts on a process like this ??
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NBC
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Aug 12, 2004, at 9:42 PM, Terry wrote:
>> This points out just how good security is at our GA airports. No
>> metal
>> detector is as sensitive as a suspicious airport bum.
>
> These airport "BUMS" are my Heros.
I do not use that term as a pejorative. I consider myself to be an
"airport bum" the same way I am a "computer geek".
> More heads up people like this and our security and media problems
> would be
> less of a problem.
Right on Bro!
> Stay alert . Your airport next?
Did anyone else see what that wanker Hal Fishman said in his commentary
a couple of days ago? And he is a pilot! For those of you who don't
know him, he is the news anchor at KTLA-5 in Los Angeles. KTLA is
carried as a "superstation" on many of the cable and DBS TV feeds. He
posted a commentary about how GA could be used for terrorist activities
which bordered on someone yelling "fire" in a crowded movie house.
These know-nothing media weenies who are "out to protect the people"
make me want to scream. Bloody demagogues.
BTW, here is the first sentence in his reply to my comment to him:
"Brian: As a pilot I understand your concerns, but from my point of
view I put the welfare of the people in our communities before my love
of flying."
Oh puh-leeze!
In his "commentary" he went on to talk about how he and his airplane
could be used for terrorist attacks, most of it just BS. But people
listen and believe so we end up with yet another public relations
problem. Grrrr.
Barry; you probably know this guy. Go knock some sense into him.
If anyone wants to see my exchange with him I will be happy to forward
it to you. If enough people want to see it I will post it here. I
have already sent the whole thing along to the AOPA in hopes they can
do some damage control.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Hurricane Charlie |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com" <cpayne1@matronics.com>
Yep, Charlie's out to get me...Here I sit waiting, inland,
but within the path of the hurricane landfall. Windows are
taped, spare ice in the coolers for the Dos Equis Amber and
Honey Weiss when the power goes.
"Baby" is tied down in the hanger, control locks on, moving
pads over the canopy, prop and spinner. The hanger doors are
"pinned" into the concrete with foot long spikes.
My wife seems to think I should stay home with her rather
than with baby. Go figure. So I'll stand by with Doug Sapp's
parts list, and telephone numbers for Doug and Tom Johnson
my aircraft insurance agent. "No Tom, that was a Garmin 195,
er ah, 530, that's right a 530 sucked right out of the panel
without even damaging the canopy, wow"!
Cheers,
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Charlie |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Yep, I'm sitting here doing the same, fortunately I live with my hangar next
door. Thats 30KW generator in my hangar ought to make things tolerable
though since we are expected to lose power for up to several days inland and
even longer along the coast.
I'm just glad that my house and hangar are constructed like fallout
shelters.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "cpayne1@joimail.com" <cpayne1@matronics.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Hurricane Charlie
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com"
<cpayne1@matronics.com>
>
> Yep, Charlie's out to get me...Here I sit waiting, inland,
> but within the path of the hurricane landfall. Windows are
> taped, spare ice in the coolers for the Dos Equis Amber and
> Honey Weiss when the power goes.
>
> "Baby" is tied down in the hanger, control locks on, moving
> pads over the canopy, prop and spinner. The hanger doors are
> "pinned" into the concrete with foot long spikes.
>
> My wife seems to think I should stay home with her rather
> than with baby. Go figure. So I'll stand by with Doug Sapp's
> parts list, and telephone numbers for Doug and Tom Johnson
> my aircraft insurance agent. "No Tom, that was a Garmin 195,
> er ah, 530, that's right a 530 sucked right out of the panel
> without even damaging the canopy, wow"!
>
> Cheers,
> Craig Payne
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Aug 13, 2004, at 12:48 PM, Gus Fraser wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> I am going to propose to AOPA that on my membership they should offer
> me the
> opportunity to contribute $5 or whatever with my membership that can
> go into
> a bounty fund. That way when someone makes a good hit, like this guy
> AOPA ca
> award a bounty. That way we can show our appreciation of those 'airport
> bums' dong the right thing. Any thoughts on a process like this ??
I think it is a great idea. Let's make sure the bounty is double for
nailing "investigative reporters" who are trying to "look out for the
people."
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Charlie |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Aug 13, 2004, at 12:40 PM, cpayne1@joimail.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com"
> <cpayne1@matronics.com>
>
> Yep, Charlie's out to get me...Here I sit waiting, inland,
> but within the path of the hurricane landfall. Windows are
> taped, spare ice in the coolers for the Dos Equis Amber and
> Honey Weiss when the power goes.
Yeah, sounds like you are set. I called Pappy to see if he was ready
but didn't get an answer. Good luck to both of you and anyone else
down there in the path!
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Charlie |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Hurricane !? What hurricane !?
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Hurricane Charlie |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mills, Bill" <Bill.Mills@Avnet.com>
Swamp Dragons,
I pulled chocks and flew down to Pompano. Looks like storm is actually
going to "miss" south Florida this time! Come on down gents, I'm riding
it out with drink in hand!
Bill Mills
"Because I Fly......I envy no man on Earth"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hurricane Charlie
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Aug 13, 2004, at 12:40 PM, cpayne1@joimail.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com"
> <cpayne1@matronics.com>
>
> Yep, Charlie's out to get me...Here I sit waiting, inland, but within
> the path of the hurricane landfall. Windows are taped, spare ice in
> the coolers for the Dos Equis Amber and Honey Weiss when the power
> goes.
Yeah, sounds like you are set. I called Pappy to see if he was ready
but didn't get an answer. Good luck to both of you and anyone else down
there in the path!
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
A few thoughts:
Copy any and all articles pertaining to this event and post them all over
the bulletin board of your local airport. Make as many people aware of this
as possible. This link:
http://www.aaae.org/government/150_Security_Central/200_Security_News/
shows that only a few "local papers" have carried this story, while it
clearly should be national.
Next, think of ways to ensure that the NBC employees involved get prosecuted
to the full extent of the law. This includes their employers who either
told them or "cleared" them to participate in this event. Our news media
should not be above the law, and Freedom of Speech does not give these
people the right to pull this kind of nonsense.
Send this story to your local news media and see if they'll run it. Get
your local news media out to YOUR local airport and show them how security
conscious all of General Aviation really is!
Take the time to write some letters. Find out who exactly is prosecuting
this case, and send letters of support and ask them to make examples of
these neo-terrorists! Follow up with letters to your usual list of
politicians.
Whatever you do... don't sit around getting angry. Instead sit around and
think of ways to get even.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Fitzpatrick [mailto:rmfitz@direcway.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NBC
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
I was calmly reading e-mail when this came in. Now I can't take enough
lopressor to keep my blood pressure from red-lining.
First it was Daley (our domestic terrorist) destroying Meigs, then CBS
ambushed airparks,now NBC is joining in.
Like Pogo said: "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Fitzpatrick" <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Subject: Yak-List: NBC
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
>
>
> AAAE ISSUE ALERT
>
> Transportation Security Services &
>
> Non Hub/General Aviation Committees
>
>
> www.airportnet.org/security
>
>
> To: AAAE Transportation Security Services Committee
>
> AAAE Non Hub/General Aviation Committee
>
> AAAE Regulatory Membership
>
>
> From: Rebecca Morrison - Staff Vice President,
Transportation Security Policy Department, AAAE
>
>
> Re: Attempted Security Breach at GA Facility
>
>
> Date: August 11, 2004
>
> The following is a description of an incident that occurred today at the
St. Louis Downtown Airport, a large GA facility. We are sharing this story
with you as there are indications that it might be repeated throughout the
country. We would like to thank Bob McDaniel, the Director at the St. Louis
Downtown Airport, for sharing the details of the incident outlined below.
>
>
> Earlier today two Middle Eastern men attempted to penetrate our security.
They telephoned one of my helicopter FBOs and asked about a charter flight.
After discussion of price and directions to the business, they arrived an
hour later. When the office agent asked how they were going to pay for the
flight they produced cash. When asked for ID, they produced driver's
licenses from two different states and they were driving a car licensed in a
third state.
>
>
> Things didn't smell right so the mechanic took them into the hangar to see
the aircraft while the office person called the FBI and local police. The
helicopter they were going to fly was blocked in by other aircraft so the
mechanic was able to stall them by having to slowly shuffle the blocking
planes. Meanwhile the two men got their backpacks and odd-shaped luggage
out of their car. Soon the local police arrived and they were hauled off to
jail in handcuffs.
>
>
> After a little time behind bars, the FBI verified that the two men were
employed by NBC New York and were on assignment to get a story of how easy
it is to charter a helicopter for a terrorist attack. The men had stayed in
a local hotel and purchased box cutters, leather-man knives, and other
potential weapons at the local Wal-Mart using a credit card. The box
cutters had been hidden in the lining at the bottom of the back packs and
the other weapons were hidden throughout their baggage. They had audiotaped
the telephone conversation with Arlene and were going to use it as part of a
national news story about how easy it is to get information and directions
to the location of the helicopter and then hijack it to commit a terrorist
attack.
>
>
> I doubt they will be back at our airport soon and this is a story that
will never be seen since they were caught. A very "well-done" to my FBO and
staff and the local FBI and police response forces. We have since learned
that we were the first airport where this had been attempted and NBC planned
to attempt similar penetration stories around the country. Please helm me
spread the word to other airports.
>
>
> Please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions or comments.
>
>
> **********************************
>
> Rebecca K. Morrison
>
> Staff Vice President, Transportation Security Policy
>
> American Association of Airport Executives
>
> 601 Madison Street, Suite 400
>
> Alexandria, VA 22314
>
> 703 797-2524
> Fax: 703 820-1395
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Charlie |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Now you tell me!!!, Well, the sky is black just to the south of me, so I'm
hunkering down.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mills, Bill" <Bill.Mills@avnet.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hurricane Charlie
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mills, Bill" <Bill.Mills@Avnet.com>
>
> Swamp Dragons,
>
> I pulled chocks and flew down to Pompano. Looks like storm is actually
> going to "miss" south Florida this time! Come on down gents, I'm riding
> it out with drink in hand!
>
>
> Bill Mills
>
> "Because I Fly......I envy no man on Earth"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hurricane Charlie
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2004, at 12:40 PM, cpayne1@joimail.com wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com"
> > <cpayne1@matronics.com>
> >
> > Yep, Charlie's out to get me...Here I sit waiting, inland, but within
> > the path of the hurricane landfall. Windows are taped, spare ice in
> > the coolers for the Dos Equis Amber and Honey Weiss when the power
> > goes.
>
> Yeah, sounds like you are set. I called Pappy to see if he was ready
> but didn't get an answer. Good luck to both of you and anyone else down
> there in the path!
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
>
>
> ==
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> ==
> ==
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>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
A friend of mine read the story, called the airport people to check
facts,
and wrote about it here:
http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/the_shape_of_days/
it's about the third or fourth item down.....
Dave Laird
N63536 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas
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| Subject: | NBC (Phil Boyers response) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Reply from Phil Boyer.
Thanks ... and it is a unique suggestion to say the least ... a little
cumbersome to administer on short order ... but surely AOPA can "recognize"
the good deeds with a special award we have been batting around and the
appropriate publicity.
More as it develops.
Thanks for the participation in the Airport Support Network program.
-Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Gus Fraser [mailto:fraseg@comcast.net]
Subject: FW: Yak-List: NBC
Phil see my idea below.
I think that there is general outrage out there
and my fellow pilots would all want to participate. After all we should be
willing to take care of our own.
Gus Fraser
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NBC
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Aug 13, 2004, at 12:48 PM, Gus Fraser wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> I am going to propose to AOPA that on my membership they should offer
> me the
> opportunity to contribute $5 or whatever with my membership that can
> go into
> a bounty fund. That way when someone makes a good hit, like this guy
> AOPA ca
> award a bounty. That way we can show our appreciation of those 'airport
> bums' dong the right thing. Any thoughts on a process like this ??
I think it is a great idea. Let's make sure the bounty is double for
nailing "investigative reporters" who are trying to "look out for the
people."
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Charlie |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Well so far, we're calling this Hurricane Hardly. I bit overblown it seems
(pardon the pun).
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hurricane Charlie
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Now you tell me!!!, Well, the sky is black just to the south of me, so I'm
> hunkering down.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mills, Bill" <Bill.Mills@avnet.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Hurricane Charlie
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mills, Bill" <Bill.Mills@Avnet.com>
> >
> > Swamp Dragons,
> >
> > I pulled chocks and flew down to Pompano. Looks like storm is actually
> > going to "miss" south Florida this time! Come on down gents, I'm riding
> > it out with drink in hand!
> >
> >
> > Bill Mills
> >
> > "Because I Fly......I envy no man on Earth"
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hurricane Charlie
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
> >
> >
> > On Aug 13, 2004, at 12:40 PM, cpayne1@joimail.com wrote:
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com"
> > > <cpayne1@matronics.com>
> > >
> > > Yep, Charlie's out to get me...Here I sit waiting, inland, but within
> > > the path of the hurricane landfall. Windows are taped, spare ice in
> > > the coolers for the Dos Equis Amber and Honey Weiss when the power
> > > goes.
> >
> > Yeah, sounds like you are set. I called Pappy to see if he was ready
> > but didn't get an answer. Good luck to both of you and anyone else down
> > there in the path!
> >
> > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> > brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> > +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
> >
> >
> > ==
> > direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> > ==
> > ==
> > ==
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Charlie |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Yep Ernie, we're stuck.
Poor old Craig Payne, at this moment he's getting his ass kicked down south.
Well, take it from an old Florida (The State where US presidents are elected)
boy, drink the beer before it gets warm.
Pray for us folks. I hear thunder close by. Over and out.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brianl@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: NBC
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2004, at 7:03 AM, cpayne1@joimail.com wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com"
> > <cpayne1@matronics.com>
> >
> > Hmmm, CBS did Airparks, NBC wants to show how eary is it to:
> > (insert subject here), FOX did Nuke plants a few years ago,
> > photographed circling a Nuke from a 'copter (while the pilot
> > was talking to ATC) BIG expose here.
> >
> > So what is ABC up to? Double check them incoming Porta
> > Potties at airshows to be sure they are not filled with
> > Simulated Terrorists.
>
> You know what? Terrorists can get into the US and do bad things. We
> *KNOW* this. It is *NOT* going to change short of implementing a
> police state. Still, I am far more likely to die at the hands of a
> drunk driver than at the hands of a terrorist so I am not going to get
> all worked up about it.
>
However a drunk driver is unlikely to knock down the
world trade center and kill 3000 people.
Terry
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Charlie |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Ass kicked???? From what I've been seeing on the news. reporters are
clamoring to get a shot of a puddle. I'm going to throw my garbage can in
the street just so we have something to talk about. Tampa is seeing winds of
about 5 to 10 MPH, Lakeland is getting a whopping 20 MPH. Ft Meyers, and
Charlotte Harbor which got hit head on has seen virtually NO storm surge,
but some pretty stiff winds. This is nothing more than a large tropical
storm with high winds in a very small center.
Much ado about nothing.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hurricane Charlie
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Yep Ernie, we're stuck.
>
> Poor old Craig Payne, at this moment he's getting his ass kicked down
south.
>
> Well, take it from an old Florida (The State where US presidents are
elected)
> boy, drink the beer before it gets warm.
>
> Pray for us folks. I hear thunder close by. Over and out.
>
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
> "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
grapes
> until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricane Charlie |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Jim,
Hows the weather up by you???? We're getting nothing here in Ocala, but I'm
seeing some pretty nasty weather towards Flagler. The storm must be avoiding
me because I prepared for it. If I would have left all the patio furniture
up and not gassed up the generator things might have been different :)
Looks like anyone in its direct path is getting slammed.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hurricane Charlie
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Ass kicked???? From what I've been seeing on the news. reporters are
> clamoring to get a shot of a puddle. I'm going to throw my garbage can in
> the street just so we have something to talk about. Tampa is seeing winds
of
> about 5 to 10 MPH, Lakeland is getting a whopping 20 MPH. Ft Meyers, and
> Charlotte Harbor which got hit head on has seen virtually NO storm surge,
> but some pretty stiff winds. This is nothing more than a large tropical
> storm with high winds in a very small center.
>
> Much ado about nothing.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hurricane Charlie
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
> >
> > Yep Ernie, we're stuck.
> >
> > Poor old Craig Payne, at this moment he's getting his ass kicked down
> south.
> >
> > Well, take it from an old Florida (The State where US presidents are
> elected)
> > boy, drink the beer before it gets warm.
> >
> > Pray for us folks. I hear thunder close by. Over and out.
> >
> > Jim Goolsby
> >
> > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> > deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> > Benjamin Franklin 1759
> > "With my shield, or on it"
> > Trojan Warriors BC
> > "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
> grapes
> > until some woman stomps all over them."
> > Unknown older man.
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Disregard everything I said. It seems like it is perfectly legal to carry
knives, box cutters, et.al, and make any attempt you want to in order to
test General Aviation airport security. This is especially true if you work
for NBC.
I wonder what would happen to the normal everyday citizen that tried
something so stupid as this?
NBC.... when there isn't any news to report, they'll make their own.
Sigh....
M. Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G [mailto:BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: NBC
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
<BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
A few thoughts:
Copy any and all articles pertaining to this event and post them all over
the bulletin board of your local airport. Make as many people aware of this
as possible. This link:
http://www.aaae.org/government/150_Security_Central/200_Security_News/
shows that only a few "local papers" have carried this story, while it
clearly should be national.
Next, think of ways to ensure that the NBC employees involved get prosecuted
to the full extent of the law. This includes their employers who either
told them or "cleared" them to participate in this event. Our news media
should not be above the law, and Freedom of Speech does not give these
people the right to pull this kind of nonsense.
Send this story to your local news media and see if they'll run it. Get
your local news media out to YOUR local airport and show them how security
conscious all of General Aviation really is!
Take the time to write some letters. Find out who exactly is prosecuting
this case, and send letters of support and ask them to make examples of
these neo-terrorists! Follow up with letters to your usual list of
politicians.
Whatever you do... don't sit around getting angry. Instead sit around and
think of ways to get even.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Fitzpatrick [mailto:rmfitz@direcway.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NBC
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
I was calmly reading e-mail when this came in. Now I can't take enough
lopressor to keep my blood pressure from red-lining.
First it was Daley (our domestic terrorist) destroying Meigs, then CBS
ambushed airparks,now NBC is joining in.
Like Pogo said: "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Fitzpatrick" <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Subject: Yak-List: NBC
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
>
>
> AAAE ISSUE ALERT
>
> Transportation Security Services &
>
> Non Hub/General Aviation Committees
>
>
> www.airportnet.org/security
>
>
> To: AAAE Transportation Security Services Committee
>
> AAAE Non Hub/General Aviation Committee
>
> AAAE Regulatory Membership
>
>
> From: Rebecca Morrison - Staff Vice President,
Transportation Security Policy Department, AAAE
>
>
> Re: Attempted Security Breach at GA Facility
>
>
> Date: August 11, 2004
>
> The following is a description of an incident that occurred today at the
St. Louis Downtown Airport, a large GA facility. We are sharing this story
with you as there are indications that it might be repeated throughout the
country. We would like to thank Bob McDaniel, the Director at the St. Louis
Downtown Airport, for sharing the details of the incident outlined below.
>
>
> Earlier today two Middle Eastern men attempted to penetrate our security.
They telephoned one of my helicopter FBOs and asked about a charter flight.
After discussion of price and directions to the business, they arrived an
hour later. When the office agent asked how they were going to pay for the
flight they produced cash. When asked for ID, they produced driver's
licenses from two different states and they were driving a car licensed in a
third state.
>
>
> Things didn't smell right so the mechanic took them into the hangar to see
the aircraft while the office person called the FBI and local police. The
helicopter they were going to fly was blocked in by other aircraft so the
mechanic was able to stall them by having to slowly shuffle the blocking
planes. Meanwhile the two men got their backpacks and odd-shaped luggage
out of their car. Soon the local police arrived and they were hauled off to
jail in handcuffs.
>
>
> After a little time behind bars, the FBI verified that the two men were
employed by NBC New York and were on assignment to get a story of how easy
it is to charter a helicopter for a terrorist attack. The men had stayed in
a local hotel and purchased box cutters, leather-man knives, and other
potential weapons at the local Wal-Mart using a credit card. The box
cutters had been hidden in the lining at the bottom of the back packs and
the other weapons were hidden throughout their baggage. They had audiotaped
the telephone conversation with Arlene and were going to use it as part of a
national news story about how easy it is to get information and directions
to the location of the helicopter and then hijack it to commit a terrorist
attack.
>
>
> I doubt they will be back at our airport soon and this is a story that
will never be seen since they were caught. A very "well-done" to my FBO and
staff and the local FBI and police response forces. We have since learned
that we were the first airport where this had been attempted and NBC planned
to attempt similar penetration stories around the country. Please helm me
spread the word to other airports.
>
>
> Please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions or comments.
>
>
> **********************************
>
> Rebecca K. Morrison
>
> Staff Vice President, Transportation Security Policy
>
> American Association of Airport Executives
>
> 601 Madison Street, Suite 400
>
> Alexandria, VA 22314
>
> 703 797-2524
> Fax: 703 820-1395
>
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: Fw: Cow Tracking |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
Very true
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 N63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
From: "R S Designs / Sobchuk" <rsdesign@mts.net>
Subject: Fw: Cow Tracking
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To all my close friends,
As you know we have been trying to find a way to get our cows moving into the United
States. There has to be a good use for them to be needed in the USA, well
here is the answer!!
Cheers Roy Sobchuk
-----
Subject: Fw: Cow Tracking
>
> > Cow Tracking - The Solution
> >
> > Is it just me or does anyone else find it absolutely amazing that=20the
> > U.S. government can track a cow born in Canada almost three years=20ago,
> > right to the stall where she sleeps in the state of Washington, and
> > determine exactly what that cow ate. They can also track her calves
> > right to their stalls, and tell you what kind of feed they ate. But
> > they
> > are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around in our
> > country, including people that are trying to blow up important
> > structures in the U.S. !!!!!
> > My solution is to give all illegal aliens a cow as soon as they enter
> > the country.
> >
> > Author unknown
>
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To all my close friends,
As you know we have been trying to find a way to get our cows
moving into the United States. There has to be a good use for them to be needed
in the USA, well here is the answer!!
Cheers Roy Sobchuk
-----
Subject: Fw: Cow Tracking
Cow Tracking - The Solution
Is it just me or does anyone else find it absolutely
amazing that the
U.S. government can track a cow born in Canada almost three
years ago,
right to the stall where she sleeps in the state of
Washington, and
determine exactly what that cow ate. They can also track
her calves
right to their stalls, and tell you what kind of feed they
ate.But
they
are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering
around in our
country, including people that are trying to blow up
important
structures in the U.S. !!!!!
My solution is to give all illegal aliens a cow as soon as
they enter
the country.
Author unknown
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