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1. 04:29 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 08/15/04 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
2. 06:06 AM - smoke pumps (Mark Jefferies)
3. 06:45 AM - Hurricanes and flying club (was: Charlie) (Brian Lloyd)
4. 07:28 AM - Requiem for a Sinner (cpayne1@joimail.com)
5. 07:49 AM - Re: Hurricanes and flying club (was: Charlie) (Ernie)
6. 08:34 AM - Re: Hurricanes and flying club (was: Charlie) (Brian Lloyd)
7. 08:39 AM - Re: Hurricanes and flying club (was: Charlie) (Brian Lloyd)
8. 11:44 AM - Re: smoke pumps (Jorgen Nielsen)
9. 01:31 PM - 20' Container Needed (Kendel McCarley)
10. 02:25 PM - Re: 20' Container Needed (Doug Sapp)
11. 02:26 PM - 1983 Yak 52 for sale (TC Johnson)
12. 02:39 PM - Re: 20' Container Needed (Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers)
13. 02:56 PM - Re: 20' Container Needed (Kendel McCarley)
14. 03:17 PM - Re: 20' Container Needed (Doug Sapp)
15. 03:19 PM - Ebay CJ (Doug Sapp)
16. 03:25 PM - Re: Ebay CJ (alikatz@mbay.net)
17. 06:43 PM - Re: 20' Container Needed (David Stroud)
18. 06:51 PM - Re: 20' Container Needed (Kendel McCarley)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 08/15/04 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Ray,
I've been holding my breath waiting to hear from that part of the world.
Glad to hear yawl came though it OK. Do you know how EVB made out? I keep
calling Geroge Baker's place but get no answer.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve
neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"The reason older men are like fine wine: when young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
"Kill them all. Let God sort them out"
Crusaders 900 AD
"With my shield, or on it."
Trojan Warriors, BC
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"YAK USA LIST" <yak-list@matronics.com>, "BAeA" <UKaerobatics@egroups.com>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
There was a thread on smoke pumps a few weeks ago, here is the link to a
very good pump
http://www.reversopumps.com/GearPumps/GP_MediumDuty.html#middle
the UK supplier is
http://www.separ.co.uk <http://www.separ.co.uk/>
you need the gear pump, but we have used the impeller type in the past, I
consider gears better at keeping the pressure up and that's what's needed
:>)) all the http://www.yakuk.com/aerostars.asp us the impeller and as can
be seen smoke is not that bad till the rubber impeller starts to wear due to
running without pumping oil/ lubrication.
Hope this helps someone.
Best regards, fly safe-Mark Jefferies
For YAK UK Ltd www.yakuk.com
Lt Gransden Airfield
Sandy, Beds
SG19 3BP
England.
Tel +44 (0)1767 651156.
Fax +44 (0)1767 651157
Mobile +44 (0)7785 538 317
Conditions and terms of business
Aircraft for sale
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| Subject: | Hurricanes and flying club (was: Charlie) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
I am glad to hear that none of my friends suffered any damage.
On a related topic, I have started a flying club down here in St.
Thomas. Right now I am putting together the contingency plan for
getting our airplanes out of Dodge should it appear that we are going
to take a hit. So far the weather gods have protected us and turned
the storms either south or north of us but the season is not even half
over. I have to come up with a plan for getting three airplanes off
the island to safety. (Possibly more as more people participate in the
club.) This probably means a run to the States where we can move east
or west to avoid the storm track. If you have or know of good
facilities to temporarily host our airplanes, please let me know.
Right now the complement is a Cherokee 180, a Comanche 250, and an
Aztec. We may also have a Cessna Skymaster, otherwise affectionately
known as the Huff 'n Puff, Pushme Pullyou, or (my favorite) Suck 'n
Blow, but its owner hasn't committed to joining ... yet.
BTW, I am hoping to add two Yak-52s so we can do unusual attitude,
aerobatic, formation, and ACM training. I would love to hear from you
if you think you would be willing to pay to come down and spend a week
in the Virgin Islands doing this sort of training. The idea would be
to put together all-inclusive packages that include aircraft,
instructor(s), food, lodging, and other "fun stuff" (like a day of
sailing). I need the feedback in order to justify the club purchasing
two Yak-52s. BTW, as we get going we would probably "comp" instructors
who would like to come down and assist until we can get our own
instructors up-to-speed.
BTW, This will *NOT* be a tourist activity. This will be oriented to
pilots. Everyone must be a pilot or student pilot capable of handing
the front cockpit of a Yak-52. I know that includes everyone on this
list.
The USVI is one of the preeminent vacation locations in the Caribbean.
We are only a 45 minute ferry ride from the British Virgin Islands and
a 45-minute flight to Puerto Rico or St. Martin so we can also provide
a really good time for your non-flying "significant other".
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Requiem for a Sinner |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com" <cpayne1@matronics.com>
My Sin? Busting a TFR. When? 28 months ago. On Friday the
13th, Hurricane Charley day, the results of my informal
hearing with an FAA Senior Attorney came in: Case Withdrawn.
I was on my way to SNF via Jim Goolsby's from Northern IL in
April of 2002. I did everything according to the "book", I
got a weather briefing, asked for and got a TFR briefing as
well. While on VFR flight following I entered a TFR. NOT the
controllers fault, their responsibility is ONLY traffic
separation. Based on my briefing I assumed I was West of the
TFR. As it turned out I heard and copied 23NM on the 355
radial off HUF when it was actually 335 at 23NM. Terra Haute
nailed 4 guys that day, including 2 police helicopters on
official police business. It turns out that it was kind of a
game at that facility; how many today?
To shorten the story, I caught a break because:
- I cooperated with investigators (I felt I did everything I
should of anyway).
- I filed a Timely NASA form and kept the tear-off in a
file.
- I hired an Aviation Attorney.
- Proved I had received remedial training by earning my
Commercial.
- The FAA failed to preserve the Briefing tapes even though
I had requested them.
- The investigator's notes from his conversation with me
were missing.
- I can be really humble when I have to.
- The TFR I violated will become a NSA in 2 weeks (check
your new charts)
- Today's FAA enforcement focus is on Presidential and ADIZ
TFRs
Lessons Learned:
- Always call for a briefing, even if you are going around
the patch to warm 'er up.
- Keep a NAV log for all your cross countries.
- Check one of the web sites for daily updates: EAA or AOPA
- Keep a NASA form handy, my wife had to fax one to me at my
hotel.
BTW, as part of discovery, I have the disciplinary
guidelines memo that is issued to all field enforcement
offices. Very little wiggle room...that NASA form and an
Attorney is all you really have.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricanes and flying club (was: Charlie) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Brian,
You're always welcome to Leeward if you need a place for a few planes. I
have tiedown space outside of my hangar for 6 planes.
I'd be really interested in coming down to participate in your shindig i
just for the fun of it. But I have no 52 time just CJ time.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brianl@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Hurricanes and flying club (was: Charlie)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
> I am glad to hear that none of my friends suffered any damage.
>
> On a related topic, I have started a flying club down here in St.
> Thomas. Right now I am putting together the contingency plan for
> getting our airplanes out of Dodge should it appear that we are going
> to take a hit. So far the weather gods have protected us and turned
> the storms either south or north of us but the season is not even half
> over. I have to come up with a plan for getting three airplanes off
> the island to safety. (Possibly more as more people participate in the
> club.) This probably means a run to the States where we can move east
> or west to avoid the storm track. If you have or know of good
> facilities to temporarily host our airplanes, please let me know.
> Right now the complement is a Cherokee 180, a Comanche 250, and an
> Aztec. We may also have a Cessna Skymaster, otherwise affectionately
> known as the Huff 'n Puff, Pushme Pullyou, or (my favorite) Suck 'n
> Blow, but its owner hasn't committed to joining ... yet.
>
> BTW, I am hoping to add two Yak-52s so we can do unusual attitude,
> aerobatic, formation, and ACM training. I would love to hear from you
> if you think you would be willing to pay to come down and spend a week
> in the Virgin Islands doing this sort of training. The idea would be
> to put together all-inclusive packages that include aircraft,
> instructor(s), food, lodging, and other "fun stuff" (like a day of
> sailing). I need the feedback in order to justify the club purchasing
> two Yak-52s. BTW, as we get going we would probably "comp" instructors
> who would like to come down and assist until we can get our own
> instructors up-to-speed.
>
> BTW, This will *NOT* be a tourist activity. This will be oriented to
> pilots. Everyone must be a pilot or student pilot capable of handing
> the front cockpit of a Yak-52. I know that includes everyone on this
> list.
>
> The USVI is one of the preeminent vacation locations in the Caribbean.
> We are only a 45 minute ferry ride from the British Virgin Islands and
> a 45-minute flight to Puerto Rico or St. Martin so we can also provide
> a really good time for your non-flying "significant other".
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricanes and flying club (was: Charlie) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Aug 16, 2004, at 10:51 AM, Ernie wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Brian,
>
> You're always welcome to Leeward if you need a place for a few planes.
> I
> have tiedown space outside of my hangar for 6 planes.
Thanks. I really appreciate that. I will keep that in my reserve
> I'd be really interested in coming down to participate in your shindig
> i
> just for the fun of it. But I have no 52 time just CJ time.
You will find the systems and aircraft handling sufficiently similar
that you can move between them with only minimal additional training.
My experience is that a competent CJ6A pilot should be able to get into
the front seat of a -52 with an IP in the back seat after only about 30
minutes of ground school and cockpit familiarization. The converse
holds true for a -52 pilot climbing into the front seat of a CJ6A with
an IP in the back seat. Transition is not all that difficult and
should only take a flight-hour or so for a pilot with experience with
several different aircraft.
Regardless, I need to get a bunch more training myself before I would
feel competent to instruct in the -52 for acro. But that is what this
is all about, eh?
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Re: Hurricanes and flying club (was: Charlie) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Aug 16, 2004, at 10:51 AM, Ernie wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Brian,
>
> You're always welcome to Leeward if you need a place for a few planes.
> I
> have tiedown space outside of my hangar for 6 planes.
Thanks. I really appreciate that. I will keep that in my reserve
> I'd be really interested in coming down to participate in your shindig
> i
> just for the fun of it. But I have no 52 time just CJ time.
You will find the systems and aircraft handling sufficiently similar
that you can move between them with only minimal additional training.
My experience is that a competent CJ6A pilot should be able to get into
the front seat of a -52 with an IP in the back seat after only about 30
minutes of ground school and cockpit familiarization. The converse
holds true for a -52 pilot climbing into the front seat of a CJ6A with
an IP in the back seat. Transition is not all that difficult and
should only take a flight-hour or so for a pilot with experience with
several different aircraft.
Regardless, I need to get a bunch more training myself before I would
feel competent to instruct in the -52 for acro. But that is what this
is all about, eh?
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Hi Mark
Out of all the gear pumps, which do you recommend?
Regards
Jorgen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Jefferies
Subject: Yak-List: smoke pumps
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
There was a thread on smoke pumps a few weeks ago, here is the link to a
very good pump
http://www.reversopumps.com/GearPumps/GP_MediumDuty.html#middle
the UK supplier is
http://www.separ.co.uk <http://www.separ.co.uk/>
you need the gear pump, but we have used the impeller type in the past,
I consider gears better at keeping the pressure up and that's what's
needed
:>)) all the http://www.yakuk.com/aerostars.asp us the impeller and as
can be seen smoke is not that bad till the rubber impeller starts to
wear due to running without pumping oil/ lubrication.
Hope this helps someone.
Best regards, fly safe-Mark Jefferies
For YAK UK Ltd www.yakuk.com
Lt Gransden Airfield
Sandy, Beds
SG19 3BP
England.
Tel +44 (0)1767 651156.
Fax +44 (0)1767 651157
Mobile +44 (0)7785 538 317
Conditions and terms of business
Aircraft for sale
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| Subject: | 20' Container Needed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
Anybody got or know of a 20' ISO shipping container for sale?
- Kendel
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| Subject: | 20' Container Needed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Kendel,
I have bought several 20's and also some 40's, both open and closed top.
What's your end use? End use normally determines quality, quality
determines price. In Alaska some of the guys are buying 2 40's, putting them
about 40 feet apart, putting trusses over them and using them for hangers
(check with your building code) You end up with a 56 X 40 foot hanger (40 X
40 floor space) and all the very secure storage or work area that you could
ever use. There is a company in Seattle that referbs them and will install
man doors and or roll up doors in the sides which would make a nice shop
area. The last 2 20's I bought were insulated 20's which have 4 inches of
insulation in the walls, top and doors. Check with a freight forwarder at
your closest sea port. If you need help give me a call @509-826-4610
anytime.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kendel McCarley
Subject: Yak-List: 20' Container Needed
--> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
Anybody got or know of a 20' ISO shipping container for sale?
- Kendel
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| Subject: | 1983 Yak 52 for sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "TC Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
1983 Yak 52 for sale (a true "Cold War" Yak.)
AKA: "The Yellow Yak"
Please email directly for pictures, specs and pricing.
TJ
**********************************
Thomas Johnson
Tel: 800-851-2997
Fax: 480-951-1455
Cell: 602-628-2701
E: tjohnson@cannonaviation.com
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| From: | "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net> |
| Subject: | Re: 20' Container Needed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
Kendel,
Look in the Yellow pages or the internet for trucking companies that ship
overseas or for the shipping yards. It cheaper the closer you are to where
ever the container is. It's best to inspect it BEFORE delivery. Check the
inside for leaks or rust spots, any damage to the outside and for sure make
sure the doors open, close and lock FULLY with no binding. Have there been
welded repairs? If so are they rusting out? What kind of floor do you want?
Solid oak, ply oak or some leftover sawmill rejects. Everything is up for
negotiating the price. When I bought mine the war had just started and the
US Government had bought up so many of these units that the price was pretty
high.
A couple of pressure treated 10' 4 x 4's should be enough the keep it off
the ground.
One last thing, which makes all the difference in the world, you should say
where you are from or where you need this container so that won't be a
guessing came.
Good Luck,
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kendel McCarley" <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: 20' Container Needed
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Anybody got or know of a 20' ISO shipping container for sale?
>
> - Kendel
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 20' Container Needed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
I'm looking for a container for storage. It needs to be weather tight and lockable.
Unfortunately, the Chinese have driven up the price of scrap steel, which
has driven up the price of depot containers in the last five months.
I'm fishing for a Jay or Doug type to have one they need to get rid of.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 20' Container Needed
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
Kendel,
Look in the Yellow pages or the internet for trucking companies that ship
overseas or for the shipping yards. It cheaper the closer you are to where
ever the container is. It's best to inspect it BEFORE delivery. Check the
inside for leaks or rust spots, any damage to the outside and for sure make
sure the doors open, close and lock FULLY with no binding. Have there been
welded repairs? If so are they rusting out? What kind of floor do you want?
Solid oak, ply oak or some leftover sawmill rejects. Everything is up for
negotiating the price. When I bought mine the war had just started and the
US Government had bought up so many of these units that the price was pretty
high.
A couple of pressure treated 10' 4 x 4's should be enough the keep it off
the ground.
One last thing, which makes all the difference in the world, you should say
where you are from or where you need this container so that won't be a
guessing came.
Good Luck,
Wayne
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| Subject: | 20' Container Needed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Kendel,
The insulated 20's have very little steel in them, and should not be
effected by the steel issue. Because of the insulation they would be a
bugger to break down and scrap. These containers are used at the ports and
are normally hooked up to a portable AC unit. They just have 2 large holes
in the back end where the ducts hook up (do not have mounted AC units). I
have two of them that I have converted into fumigation chambers to nuke my
preserved flowers before shipment (methyl bromide). Another good storage
unit is a retired Safeway dry van, I have 6 of those, which make great low
cost storage, all came to me with pretty good rubber and near new brakes.
They have roll up doors.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kendel McCarley
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 20' Container Needed
--> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
I'm looking for a container for storage. It needs to be weather tight and
lockable. Unfortunately, the Chinese have driven up the price of scrap
steel, which has driven up the price of depot containers in the last five
months.
I'm fishing for a Jay or Doug type to have one they need to get rid of.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 20' Container Needed
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers"
<wayne@engravers.net>
Kendel,
Look in the Yellow pages or the internet for trucking companies that ship
overseas or for the shipping yards. It cheaper the closer you are to where
ever the container is. It's best to inspect it BEFORE delivery. Check the
inside for leaks or rust spots, any damage to the outside and for sure make
sure the doors open, close and lock FULLY with no binding. Have there been
welded repairs? If so are they rusting out? What kind of floor do you want?
Solid oak, ply oak or some leftover sawmill rejects. Everything is up for
negotiating the price. When I bought mine the war had just started and the
US Government had bought up so many of these units that the price was pretty
high.
A couple of pressure treated 10' 4 x 4's should be enough the keep it off
the ground.
One last thing, which makes all the difference in the world, you should say
where you are from or where you need this container so that won't be a
guessing came.
Good Luck,
Wayne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Who bought the CJ on Ebay?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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--> Yak-List message posted by: alikatz@mbay.net
Doug,
I have the guys name at the house, I'll get it to you this evening.
Best Regards,
Jr
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Who bought the CJ on Ebay?
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 20' Container Needed |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Sorry to come in so late on this topic, but I just drove past my favourite scrapper
today and 'lo and behold, they had a container out front with a sign on it saying
20' and 40' containers for sale. Would you like me to inquire? They are up in
Ottawa, Canada, about 45 minutes from NY state. Canuk bucks are worth about .75
US.
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kendel McCarley" <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 20' Container Needed
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm looking for a container for storage. It needs to be weather tight and lockable.
Unfortunately, the Chinese have driven up the price of scrap steel, which has driven
up the
price of depot containers in the last five months.
>
> I'm fishing for a Jay or Doug type to have one they need to get rid of.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: 20' Container Needed
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Wayne @ Aircraft Engravers" <wayne@engravers.net>
>
> Kendel,
>
> Look in the Yellow pages or the internet for trucking companies that ship
> overseas or for the shipping yards. It cheaper the closer you are to where
> ever the container is. It's best to inspect it BEFORE delivery. Check the
> inside for leaks or rust spots, any damage to the outside and for sure make
> sure the doors open, close and lock FULLY with no binding. Have there been
> welded repairs? If so are they rusting out? What kind of floor do you want?
> Solid oak, ply oak or some leftover sawmill rejects. Everything is up for
> negotiating the price. When I bought mine the war had just started and the
> US Government had bought up so many of these units that the price was pretty
> high.
>
> A couple of pressure treated 10' 4 x 4's should be enough the keep it off
> the ground.
>
> One last thing, which makes all the difference in the world, you should say
> where you are from or where you need this container so that won't be a
> guessing came.
>
> Good Luck,
> Wayne
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
Yes, I would. Thanks. I'd need it shipped to the rail yard in Tucson, AZ. Should
be about $500 total shipping.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Stroud <davestroud@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 20' Container Needed
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Sorry to come in so late on this topic, but I just drove past my favourite scrapper
today and 'lo and behold, they had a container out front with a sign on it saying
20' and 40' containers for sale. Would you like me to inquire? They are up in
Ottawa, Canada, about 45 minutes from NY state. Canuk bucks are worth about .75
US.
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kendel McCarley" <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 20' Container Needed
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Kendel McCarley <kmmccarley@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm looking for a container for storage. It needs to be weather tight and lockable.
Unfortunately, the Chinese have driven up the price of scrap steel, which has driven
up the
price of depot containers in the last five months.
>
> I'm fishing for a Jay or Doug type to have one they need to get rid of.
>
>
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