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1. 12:04 AM - Re: Re: Frances (Ernie)
2. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Frances (Brian Lloyd)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: Frances (Terry Calloway)
4. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: NBC (Brian Lloyd)
5. 09:30 AM - Register now! (Barry Hancock)
6. 10:08 AM - New product announcement: affordable VG's (Land Shorter)
7. 04:36 PM - Re: Re: Frances (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 04:36 PM - NBC (Frank Haertlein)
9. 10:25 PM - Not quite political drivel (Brian Lloyd)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Hey bud, I'm directly above the forcast track, so I'm looking at the NE
quadrant of the storm. We just got a little rain, and a max gust of 28 MPH,
but we're still 12 hours from the real fun. I've got 2 3000 lbs tow straps
securing the center of my doors to stell eyes secured into my apron on both
hangar doors to help prevent them from blowing in, other than that, not much
more I can do. Just spent 2 days shoveling mulch :) My wife decided to have
a huge load delivered and dumped on my lawn..... my aching back.
The latest forcast says the rain and wind should start for us in about 6
hours and wont let up untill Monday afternoon, dumping over 20" of rain. I
wonder how well a CJ or L-29 will do on floats.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "cpayne1@joimail.com" <cpayne1@matronics.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Frances
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com"
<cpayne1@matronics.com>
>
> Well the first band has just swept through my area, the
> first of about 30 hours worth they say. It's All huricane
> All the time on TV. My CJ is lashed down to the hanger
> floor, gust locks on, cowling off and stowed, furniture pads
> lashed over the canopy and engine....Ole '85' is right in
> line for the projected path but well inland.
>
> Maybe the storm track will go North and give Ernie a taste
> of the real thing. LOL buddy! One CJ, owned by John Stott of
> Punta Gorda got damaged during Charley when parts of his
> hanger drifted into the elevator and cowling.
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Hey bud, I'm directly above the forcast track, so I'm looking at the NE
> quadrant of the storm.
Yeah, the bad side. That is where the rotational velocity combines
with the forward motion to make the winds stronger.
> We just got a little rain, and a max gust of 28 MPH,
> but we're still 12 hours from the real fun. I've got 2 3000 lbs tow
> straps
> securing the center of my doors to stell eyes secured into my apron on
> both
> hangar doors to help prevent them from blowing in, other than that,
> not much
> more I can do. Just spent 2 days shoveling mulch :) My wife decided to
> have
> a huge load delivered and dumped on my lawn..... my aching back.
Well, you can rest assured that Frances will redistribute it for you!
> The latest forcast says the rain and wind should start for us in about
> 6
> hours and wont let up untill Monday afternoon, dumping over 20" of
> rain. I
> wonder how well a CJ or L-29 will do on floats.
Good luck Ernie (and the rest of you in Florida).
I am sweating Ivan right now. I finally have a good place for the boat
to ride it out and am prepared to fly the Comanche out early Wednesday
morning. I plan to give some recurring training to the woman who owns
the Cherokee 180 we are using so she will feel more comfortable flying
it out by herself. We will probably make it a flight of two.
The track for Ivan was, at one point, looking to be less than a degree
S of us. That would clobber St. Croix big-time and give us a nasty
ride. But today's projected track now has it about 3 degrees south of
us which makes me a bit more comfortable.
Fingers crossed for everyone!
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Craig,
Can you give us a Sunday AM report?
tc
>>> cpayne1@matronics.com 9/4/2004 12:08:14 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com"
<cpayne1@matronics.com>
Well the first band has just swept through my area, the
first of about 30 hours worth they say. It's All huricane
All the time on TV. My CJ is lashed down to the hanger
floor, gust locks on, cowling off and stowed, furniture pads
lashed over the canopy and engine....Ole '85' is right in
line for the projected path but well inland.
Maybe the storm track will go North and give Ernie a taste
of the real thing. LOL buddy! One CJ, owned by John Stott of
Punta Gorda got damaged during Charley when parts of his
hanger drifted into the elevator and cowling.
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Aug 13, 2004, at 5:28 PM, Terry wrote:
> However a drunk driver is unlikely to knock down the
> world trade center and kill 3000 people.
No. Drunk drivers kill many more people than that. There are 48,000
deaths every year due to automobile accidents in the US and alcohol
figures in 50% of them. So let's just say that drunk drivers only kill
20,000 *per* *year*.
Let's see: 20,000 killed annually by drunks and 3,000 killed once by
terrorists. How many people have been killed in terrorist attacks
around the world in the last 10 years and how many have been killed by
drunks? Well, the drunks have killed 200,000 in the US in that time (I
don't know the figures for the rest of the world). The terrorists are
not even in the same league! Those terrorists are going to have to
work pretty hard to make it into the major leagues!
Let me put this in aviation terms. This is like the guy who obsesses
over engine failure so much but forgets that the thing that is most
likely to bring him down is improper flight planning and fuel
starvation. Engines certainly do fail but more people die from just
running out of gas. We can save many more lives by getting people to
just do proper flight planning rather than obsessing over accessory
drive gear attach bolts.
Terrorism is terrible. Loss of life of any kind is terrible. But you
still have to play the odds. The odds are much more in favor of me
dying at the hands of a drunk than at the hands of a terrorist. "Dying
by drunk" may not be as dramatic but it is still a greater threat.
On another point, what would happen if the government declared war on
drunk drivers? It would cost less and it would save many more lives
than the War on Terrorism.
And speaking of wars on things, how about the War on Drugs? Over 300
*billion* dollars have been spent on that and I can still go out and
buy any drug I want in any city in the US. I wonder if the war on
terrorism will be as successful?
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
Gentlemen and fellow intrepid aviators,
It is now time to register for the South County Shootout this Sept.
30-Oct. 3 at San Martin, CA (E16). Please go to
http://www.rpatalk.com/ and click on "Event and Fly-in" > "South
County Shootout" for all the information on the event. After you have
done so, proceed to
http://www.flyredstar.org/A_Events.aspx
and register. It is important that you read the event description,
first, as it has all the registration information and description of
fees there. We are asking you to pay your fee up front (online) where
possible to cut down on the administration. This is a refundable fee
if you cannot make it at the last moment for whatever reason.
Thanks for registering early, and we'll see you soon! If you have any
questions, please contact me directly at barry@flyredstar.org
Cheers,
Barry
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| Subject: | New product announcement: affordable VG's |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Land Shorter <landshorter2@yahoo.com>
Hey folks,
I double checked and Matt Dralle's earlier post says it's OK to post about new
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Thanks and let's keep 'em flying!
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Jim Goolsby here.
I'm up in Long Island, NY. My wife (God bless her) is holding down the fort at
FD44. As of talking with her at 1900L, still lots of rain and wind. I "may
have water in my hangar". Some trees are down and they lost power just before
noon. Highest wind gust I've seen reported was 62kts at DAB.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Bryan
Why not keep the political dribble in the byline or within your
characteristic signature with a link as I suggested. After all, we don't
want to piss off list participants with unrelated, political dribble.
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
PS, Please delete this response to Bryan now. It's more appropriate to
another forum.
But if you just can't resist my response to Bryan, read
on..........................
Bryan,
All those deaths from drinking?....... But many more than that die from
heart attacks and stroke due to eating McDonald's hamburgers and other
fatty foods. Fatty foods are a bigger killer than drinkers. What about
sex? Do you know how many people die of AIDS each year?
So, what are you gonna do, proclaim that it is unlawful to eat beef or
other fatty foods as it will save more lives? You gonna make sex
illegal?
Your attitude would tell us to screw the terrorist threat. Of course
they may kill a few hundred children here and there, they may run into
the skyscrapers once in awhile, they may seek nuclear weapons to destroy
you with or they may poison your food supplies with cancer causing
chemicals but then, as you say, they really aren't that big a threat,
right?
In addition, I think, that as a responsible citizen, you should stop
flying. It will save countless lives because others don't have to
support your excess life style. Your excess life style has a harmful
effect on the environment and it results in increased deaths from
environmental factors that you unwittingly contribute to. Do you realize
the insidious nature of the chemicals used to maintain your automobile
and airplane and the harm those have on the environment and our health?
Do you have any concept of the depletion of our natural resources that
occurs just so that you have a home to live in?
In fact, if you really are a responsible citizen who understands the
human condition and the possible harm that your existence could cause
the greater society and the environment, then you do well to put a gun
to your head and pull the trigger. We would all be better off and have
more freedom as a result.
:)
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| Subject: | Not quite political drivel |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Sep 5, 2004, at 7:36 PM, Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> Why not keep the political dribble in the byline or within your
> characteristic signature with a link as I suggested. After all, we
> don't
> want to piss off list participants with unrelated, political dribble.
Uh, I think the word you wanted was "drivel". The word "dribble"
suggests either basketball or incontinence to me.
Vocabulary aside, boy are you good at missing the point.
The point has to do with risk analysis and return on resources
invested. The terrorist thing is a meta issue and is orthogonal to the
point. The point is that the government has decided that it is in the
protection business and is going to spend my money on "protecting" me.
If it insists on doing so and I cannot stop it from doing so, I want it
to at least do so where I get the most bang for my buck. We see this
is all areas but it impinges on flying in a couple of areas:
1. protecting me from terrorists and its effect on my ability to fly
when and where I want to fly;
2. the FAA protecting me from something (I am not sure what but they
sure seem to think they need to do so).
>
> Bryan,
By the way, if you look at the bottom of every message I send you will
see that I sign my name "Brian Lloyd." My first name is "Brian" not
"Bryan". But you seem to have a penchant for getting it wrong.
> All those deaths from drinking?....... But many more than that die from
> heart attacks and stroke due to eating McDonald's hamburgers and other
> fatty foods. Fatty foods are a bigger killer than drinkers. What about
> sex? Do you know how many people die of AIDS each year?
Good. We seem to agree on something. There are a lot of potential
threats to life out there besides terrorists.
> So, what are you gonna do, proclaim that it is unlawful to eat beef or
> other fatty foods as it will save more lives? You gonna make sex
> illegal?
No, absolutely not. I think people should be able to do whatever they
want to do. Wanna have unprotected sex? OK. Oh, you got the HIV and
now you have AIDS? Not my problem that you are stupid. Want to eat
until you are an obese pig? No problem. Just don't expect a lot of
sympathy from me when you have a heart attack. Wanna go out and fly
your airplane without doing maintenance on it and without getting
proper training? Fine by me. You will be a self-correcting problem.
(Unfortunately you will probably ruin a perfectly good airplane in the
process and that is a sin in my book.) The only real problem with the
latter is that it makes the FAA start doing more stupid things and it
makes my insurance rates go up. Those are the only reasons I would
want to try to get a pilot to modify his/her behavior because then it
affects me.
And that is the point. I don't *WANT* the government to protect me
because they do such a bad job of it! Give me back my money and let me
protect myself. I will do a much better job and I will spend a LOT
less money along the way.
> Your attitude would tell us to screw the terrorist threat. Of course
> they may kill a few hundred children here and there, they may run into
> the skyscrapers once in awhile, they may seek nuclear weapons to
> destroy
> you with or they may poison your food supplies with cancer causing
> chemicals but then, as you say, they really aren't that big a threat,
> right?
Based on a dispassionate analysis of the statistics, that is *exactly*
what I am saying. My life is less threatened by terrorists than by
heart disease, drunk drivers, or even a failure of a part in my
airplane. You can load your comment up with emotional rhetoric (I
thought the comment about children was a nice touch) but it doesn't
change the facts.
The US government will spend a huge amount of money on "protecting" us
from terrorists. The US government *HAS* spent a huge amount of money
stopping drugs from getting into this country. I can still buy all the
cocaine and heroin I want in spite of the government's best efforts.
OK, let's substitute anthrax and plutonium for cocaine and heroin.
What makes you think that the government will do any better with
terrorists and their materials? The problem is, in the process of not
protecting me they are making it much more difficult to fly. How about
the stupidity of closing an airshow because of a baseball game? They
couldn't let well-known airshow pilots fly because they were a threat?
Cut me a break.
And in keeping this on an aviation level, please tell me how what
anything the FAA does makes flying safer? Any pilot with half a brain
takes care of his/her airplane and does whatever he/she can to stay
alive while flying. The FAA doesn't add anything to the process except
making it more difficult to actually improve the breed to make things
safer.
I remember the olden days when the guys at the GADO (now FSDO) were
pilots and mechanics who really were trying to disseminate information
and help other pilots and mechanics fly better and more safely. Now
they are just pencil pushers for whom the letter of the law is god and
the spirit of the law need not apply.
We are lucky. We fly "experimental" aircraft. We are free to make
changes that will make our aircraft safer. We find a problem and we
fix it. This list is great for that. Look at the issue of FOD
affecting the flight controls of Yak-52s and how the people on this
list worked out and implemented a solution. If we were dealing with a
certified airplane the fleet would have been grounded while the FAA
worked out a solution that would have cost about $20,000 per aircraft
and taken two years to approve ... and still wouldn't have fixed the
problem! Compare Yak-52 FOD problem to T-34 "spar problem." Need I
say more?
> In addition, I think, that as a responsible citizen, you should stop
> flying. It will save countless lives because others don't have to
> support your excess life style. Your excess life style has a harmful
> effect on the environment ...and it results in increased deaths from
> environmental factors that you unwittingly contribute to. Do you
> realize
> the insidious nature of the chemicals used to maintain your automobile
> and airplane and the harm those have on the environment and our health?
> Do you have any concept of the depletion of our natural resources that
> occurs just so that you have a home to live in?
>
> In fact, if you really are a responsible citizen who understands the
> human condition and the possible harm that your existence could cause
> the greater society and the environment, then you do well to put a gun
> to your head and pull the trigger. We would all be better off and have
> more freedom as a result.
Clearly you don't get it and now you are just being stupid. Let me
rephrase that: you are being a stupid ass.
Let me try to explain one more time using small words. I don't want
the government to do anything. Not the EPA, DOT, FAA, TSA, DHS, FBI,
CIA, BATF, HHS, DOE -- not any part of the government. They do such a
bad job of almost everything they attempt that I think we would be
better off if they didn't try. The guys from NBC who were playing
terrorist were stopped because real people used their heads, not
because the government did anything. It was individuals exercising
their own initiative. It was individuals who stopped the last aircraft
on Sept. 9, 2001 from hurting anyone else, not the government. I would
rather trust to my fellow citizens than to my government.
Also, getting back to the issue of risks and threats, I still hold that
terrorists are less of a threat to me than the thousands of drunk
drivers on the road. Since the government has decided (certainly
against my will) that it is going to protect me, at least it could try
to protect me from something that is really likely to kill me and stop
violating the Bill of Rights in the process.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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