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1. 04:29 AM - Re: Stuck rudder! (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 04:42 AM - Hurrican Ivan (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: Hurrican Ivan (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 05:19 AM - Re: Reno Air Races (Frank Haertlein)
5. 05:27 AM - Re: Reno Air Races (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 07:11 AM - Looking for Partner in CJ/Yak in the Northern VA area (DaBear)
7. 10:03 AM - Re: [yakclub] Yak 52: Rudder Cable Guides (Mark Jefferies)
8. 11:38 AM - Re: Hurrican Ivan (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 12:11 PM - rudder cable covers (Roger Baker)
10. 05:08 PM - Re: CJ-6A Battery Set Up (Brian Lloyd)
11. 05:20 PM - Re: Battery Set Up (Brian Lloyd)
12. 05:25 PM - Re: Hurrican Ivan (Brian Lloyd)
13. 05:55 PM - Re: Hurrican Ivan (Ernie)
14. 06:16 PM - Re: Hurrican Ivan (Brian Lloyd)
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck rudder! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Never have.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Stuck rudder!
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
<jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Thanks Dennis - have you or anyone else ever seen the rudder get stuck
> for any other reason?
>
> Problem with this particular incident, the AMO is stressing that he
> cannot find any fault. Has checked and double checked everything, but
> the pilot is adament that they jammed up. Stalemate. Maybe I should
> offer to go fly it for at least 10 hours to prove its OK! :-)
>
> Jorgen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Stuck rudder!
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> If you remove the rudder cable tubes and cut the forward ends at a 45
> degree or more angle from the floor to the top of the tube you will
> significantly reduce the possibility of footwear/heals jamming between
> the tube end and the rudder pedal. Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aubrey Price" <aprice@vartec.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Stuck rudder!
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Aubrey Price <aprice@vartec.net>
> >
> > Good question. I noticed that my YAK does not have the tubes. I was
> > going
> to
> > ask someone why. You may have answered the question.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jorgen Nielsen [mailto:jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za]
> > To: Yak-List
> > Subject: Yak-List: Stuck rudder!
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> >
> > Last Saturday when at the fuel bay I noticed a Yak taxying in followed
>
> > by the fire truck, so went over to check the story.
> >
> > The pilot had climbed for height, then performed a loop, afterwards he
>
> > realised the rudder pedals / rudder was partially stuck, with some
> > limited movement. He returned to airport and declared an emergency,
> > concerned he would lose steerage etc. Anyway, after landing, the
> > rudder was OK. An AMO has now inspected the rudder and cannot find
> > anything wrong.
> >
> > I did a quick check myself at the time, also then the rudder was
> > moving freely. My conclusion was it may have been the pax' feet stuck
>
> > between the pedal & the cable "tube", which is still in place.
> >
> > Any ideas? Anyone else ever have a stuck rudder?
> >
> > Also, does anyone know of a bulletin / AD that says the cable tube
> > should be removed?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jorgen
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Well, we actually put 9 airplanes (4 Yak 52's), two golf carts and a Porsche
in the hanger. Never thought that was possible. Some of the airplanes at
our airport (Wetumpka, 08A) didn't make it into a hanger. So we're praying
they survive. As far as everything else goes, we're as prepared as can
possibly be. Flooding will be the primary problem I think. But the winds
are suppose to be somewhere between 50 and 70 MPH here in the Montgomery, AL
area with gusts to 80. Both of my brothers and their families evacuated
Baldwin County which is the county on the eastern shore of Mobile bay where
the eye went directly over early this morning. One of my brothers went to
Birmingham to be with his mother-in-law and the other is here with us.
Right now we're under a tornado warning with tornados touching down in the
eastern part of our county. According to some folks that I spoke with along
the Gulf coast, Pensacola got hit pretty badly. Tomorrow we'll do damage
control. Say a prayer for all of us.
Thanks,
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Hurrican Ivan |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Dennis,
Here is a prayer for you.
And now here's Jennie!
I don't know about the rest of us southerns, but I'm being to feel like a
great big bulls eye!
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve
neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"The reason older men are like fine wine: when young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
"Kill them all. Let God sort them out"
Crusaders 900 AD
"With my shield, or on it."
Trojan Warriors, BC
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Craig;
I'd like to fly into Reno and put my YAK on static display. Do you know
the procedure for doing this? I can't seem to find anything on the Reno
air-race website that explains how to go about this.
Thanks
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cpayne1@joimail.com
Subject: Yak-List: Reno Air Races
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne1@joimail.com"
--> <cpayne1@matronics.com>
I'm headed out for Reno today and I'll be haunting the pits
by tomorrow. (Fair Warning) I'll look for fellow yakker's at the Yak
Demo Team pit and/or the Cannon trailer. Otherwise I'll be cruising for
Speed Secrets that don't require the commodities I do not have: More
Money. If last year's Sport Class competitors were any indication, the
individual "little guy" won't be competitive this year. Just those with
Sponsors & Money.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Reno Air Races |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Frank,
I'm fairly sure Craig is out of touch with anyone right now.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve
neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"The reason older men are like fine wine: when young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
"Kill them all. Let God sort them out"
Crusaders 900 AD
"With my shield, or on it."
Trojan Warriors, BC
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| Subject: | Looking for Partner in CJ/Yak in the Northern VA area |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Looking for a partner for my CJ/Yak (CJ6 with M14P and 3-bladed MT Prop).
1977 with 4400 hours, 20 hours on engine/prop
Basic VFR instruments and AoA
Based/hangered at W66 (Warrenton, VA)
Al DeVere
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| Subject: | RE: [yakclub] Yak 52: Rudder Cable Guides |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
The guides/ covers were the very first thing that happened to new a/c as
they were delivered from the factory!! Years ago I had a new a/c from RO and
an LY mechanic would not even fly in the a/c till it was done!. We have
never found an a/c in the Ukraine or Russia that had the cable guides
installed in either cockpit of the YAK 52.
I believe this has caused accidents in USSR where the rudder jammed. Was
this the cause of the SU29 accident in LY earlier in the year?
_____
From: Richard Goode [mailto:richard.goode@russianaeros.com]
Subject: [yakclub] Yak 52: Rudder Cable Guides
Yak 52: Rudder Cable Guides
There has been renewed interest in this topic because of the safety
implications.
As produced, 52 rudder cables run in guides attached to the floor of the
aircraft. It was found that there is the possibility, if the pilot or the
passenger has a substantial heel on their shoe, it can happen that the heel
is trapped between the rudder pedal and the beginning of the guide.
For some reason no formal AD/SB was issued for this, but in case your
aircraft has not had these guides removed, I strongly recommend that you do!
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Newport House
Almeley
Herefordshire
HR3 6LL
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 322200
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 322208
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Hurrican Ivan |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Thanks Jim. Your prayers are very much appreciated. So far, so good.
Won't be able to get to the hanger until tomorrow.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hurrican Ivan
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Dennis,
>
> Here is a prayer for you.
>
> And now here's Jennie!
>
> I don't know about the rest of us southerns, but I'm being to feel like a
> great big bulls eye!
>
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve
> neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
>
> "The reason older men are like fine wine: when young, they are like grapes
> until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
> "Kill them all. Let God sort them out"
> Crusaders 900 AD
>
> "With my shield, or on it."
> Trojan Warriors, BC
>
>
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| Subject: | rudder cable covers |
0.00 FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS From": yak-list@matronics.com
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
There was an AD (equivalent) issued by the design bureau requiring the
complete removal of the rudder cable covers on all Yak 50s.
There was an AD or SB (equivalent) issued by the bureau affecting the covers
in all Yak 52s. This required that the cable covers be shortened somewhat
and that an angle (45 degree?) sloping rearward be cut in the front of the
covers in both cockpits.
I don't have numbers of these items, their dates of issue, or text at hand
right now, but I will post this info. on Monday or Tuesday.
Roger Baker
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| Subject: | Re: CJ-6A Battery Set Up |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Sep 14, 2004, at 10:01 PM, Roger Bieberdorf wrote:
> In the CJ at this time I have a transformer that makes 14 volts off of
> the 28 volt battery for operation of the COM and the Transponder. It
> feeds a small 14 volt buss. I would like opinions as to if it makes
> sense to keep this arrangement or should I feed the 14 volt buss
> directly from 1/2 of the battery line up thru a center tap and remove
> the transformer? Also, does anyone have some pictures of how they
> modified their battery shelf (mine is where the old radio systems set)
> to hold the two smaller batteries? rb
I see others have replied but I will add my $0.02 in here too.
You cannot center-tap your 12V batteries without some sort of
equalizer. You will kill them in very short order. Your choice is to
either install an equalizer or a 28V-to-14V converter. I prefer the
equalizer because, if it fails, you still have 14V from the center tap
of the batteries to power your 12V devices, certainly long enough to
get on the ground and fix it. If if you use a converter and it fails
you lose your 14V buss.
And as David Laird said, check your W&B. You may want to put bigger
batteries in there just to keep the W&B correct.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Set Up |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Sep 14, 2004, at 11:26 PM, Frank Haertlein wrote:
> Years ago, I deferred to Bryan Lloyd's suggestion of not tapping off
> the
> center of two 12V batteries in series as he had some doubts about
> uneven
> charging of the batteries in that configuration. I should have known
> better and stuck with my original intention of tapping off the center
> of
> the two batteries. The trick with lead acid batteries is never to let
> them discharge fully. Keep them near full charge and they last a very
> long time. Basically, keep them near full capacity and I haven't had a
> problem.
I know I piss you off Frank, but when it comes to electrical systems,
politics doesn't enter into it and I really do know what I am talking
about.
The problem with center tapping the batteries for your 14V loads is
that the load draws down the lower battery which causes the upper
battery to overcharge. Both batteries will then fail in short order,
usually with the upper battery failing first. Trying to keep them
charged up will just cause the upper battery to fail more quickly.
Don't believe me? Ask Dennis Nickson. He used the center tap and
destroyed two perfectly good sealed batteries in about 2 months.
There is a device specifically to solve this problem. It is called a
battery equalizer. It is a 28V to 14V converter that works by setting
the 14V output to be exactly 1/2 of the 28V input. This keeps the
charge on the batteries exactly equal. Now if you center tap your
batteries to power your 14V loads, the equalizer will carry the load
and keep the batteries equally charged. If the equalizer fails you
will still have the juice in the lower battery but the two batteries
will start to take an uneven charge will will quickly destroy them.
I have found Surepower to be about the best source of battery
equalizers. See: http://www.surepower.com/
I have one of their 80A units in my boat to provide for my 14V loads
from the center tap of my 500AH 24V battery bank. It works wonderfully
and even deals with the slight difference in capacity between my
batteries.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Re: Hurrican Ivan |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:49 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>
> I don't know about the rest of us southerns, but I'm being to feel
> like a
> great big bulls eye!
Yeah? Well the damned things come here first. I just got back from
hiding out from Jeanne in the mangrove swamps of Tortola. Looks like
she will do a number on the Bahamas again before whacking into the east
coast of Florida again. <sigh>
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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| Subject: | Re: Hurrican Ivan |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
A six pack says it hits the Carolina's
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brianl@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hurrican Ivan
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
> On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:49 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I don't know about the rest of us southerns, but I'm being to feel
> > like a
> > great big bulls eye!
>
> Yeah? Well the damned things come here first. I just got back from
> hiding out from Jeanne in the mangrove swamps of Tortola. Looks like
> she will do a number on the Bahamas again before whacking into the east
> coast of Florida again. <sigh>
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hurrican Ivan |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Sep 16, 2004, at 8:52 PM, Ernie wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> A six pack says it hits the Carolina's
No bet. That is the official forecast. Still, it sucks. Boy have we
been lucky down here!
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
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