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1. 12:27 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 07:54 AM - rudder cable tunnels (Roger Baker)
3. 08:36 AM - Re: rudder cable tunnels (James J Ehrig Jr.)
4. 09:25 AM - Re: rudder cable tunnels (SWP013@aol.com)
5. 11:05 AM - Re: Battery Set Up (Dennis Nickson)
6. 11:57 AM - Mounting a Delco alt (David Stroud)
7. 01:48 PM - Kimble's Aviation Fall Fly-in - Oct. 14th - 17th ** ATTENDANCE FORM ** (Charlie Lynch)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
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following URL:
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Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | rudder cable tunnels |
0.00 FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS From": yak-list@matronics.com
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
As to the question of why Yak 52s built after 1981 continued to have
unmodified tunnels; Richard is substantially right. Virtually all Yak 52s
built went to the USSR DOSAAF system. A mandatory change order from the
Chief Engineer was effectively a mandate to change all the 52s in the world
at that time. However, the factory in Romania COULDN'T implement a change in
the aircraft just as a result of the DOSAAF change order because their
contract to build the airplane was absolutely based on the airplane
specifications as produced by the design bureau and certified by the USSR
authorities. As to why the OKB didn't issue such a change order, I'm not
sure.
Interestingly enough, compliance with the change order seems to have been
less than total. However, most "old hand" DOSAAF instructors that I have
encountered over the years are adamant in having the modification done.
I haven't looked closely at any new 52Ws to see if the post Soviet era
airplanes for the West are being produced with short tunnels or not. Would
be interesting to know.
Roger
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| Subject: | rudder cable tunnels |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "James J Ehrig Jr." <jjejr@adelphia.net>
I have the 10th 52W from Romania and have the long tunnels.
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Subject: Yak-List: rudder cable tunnels
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
As to the question of why Yak 52s built after 1981 continued to have
unmodified tunnels; Richard is substantially right. Virtually all Yak 52s
built went to the USSR DOSAAF system. A mandatory change order from the
Chief Engineer was effectively a mandate to change all the 52s in the world
at that time. However, the factory in Romania COULDN'T implement a change in
the aircraft just as a result of the DOSAAF change order because their
contract to build the airplane was absolutely based on the airplane
specifications as produced by the design bureau and certified by the USSR
authorities. As to why the OKB didn't issue such a change order, I'm not
sure.
Interestingly enough, compliance with the change order seems to have been
less than total. However, most "old hand" DOSAAF instructors that I have
encountered over the years are adamant in having the modification done.
I haven't looked closely at any new 52Ws to see if the post Soviet era
airplanes for the West are being produced with short tunnels or not. Would
be interesting to know.
Roger
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| Subject: | Re: rudder cable tunnels |
--> Yak-List message posted by: SWP013@aol.com
Anyone,
Can we now buy factory replacements for the long tunnels?
In lieu of that, anybody got a picture they can post as to exactly what a
modded tunnel looks like.
Pretty certain ours are the old kind and sounds like we ought to pull them
out and cut them down.
Thanks in advance.
Sam "SPUD" Patellos
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Set Up |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Dennis Nickson <dennis@nickson.biz>
Listers:
I am back from NY and going through a couple of hundred Yak posts and
seeing this from Brian. I only see Yak posts when I look for them as they
are sent to a separate mailbox. At times I am a month behind.
Yes, tapping 12v off of one battery and 24v across both did cause sever
uneven charging which required replacing both and I have now a converter
for the 12v systems, as installed by Randy. I have a very low draw/need
for power as all the Chinese stuff is gone. I was able to get an easy 3 +
hours of juice from the old batteries with each charge, but there was no
reason to not resolve the issue with the converter. It all works fine now
with a Delco 28v alternator on a machined pad created by Marc Bates, Jr.
I just wanted to confirm issues in Brian's em below.
dn
At 08:35 AM 9/22/2004, you wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
>On Sep 22, 2004, at 10:34 AM, Ron Davis wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I can see how an 80 amp center-tap load would be a problem (on 24 AH
> > batteries). If I had that big of a 12 volt load, I'd try to split it
> > into
> > two 40 amp loads like a 110/220 AC three wire system.(floating ground
> > would
> > be necessary).
>
>Well, I installed an 80A battery equalizer in my boat because I have a
>worst-case 12V load of about 70A between the 150W HF transmitter, the
>lighting, and the hydraulic pump for the autopilot steering, not things
>you are likely to find in an aircraft. Also, my battery bank consists
>of four 225AH gel-cells configured in series-parallel to provide 450AH
>at 24V.
>
>You can get battery equalizers with much smaller capacities that 80A.
>Surepower's model 52102 24V/12V battery equalizer is rated at 10A,
>probably just about perfect for a CJ6A. Here is the link to their
>converter/equalizer brochure: http://www.surepower.com/pdf/ebr_dcdc.pdf
>
> >
> > On the other hand a VHF comm on a 3 amp breaker and a transponder on a
> > 5 amp
> > breaker (average combined load 1.7 amp) is unlikely to appreciably
> > affect
> > the life of your two 12 lead acid batteries.
>
>I disagree. I watched exactly that configuration destroy both
>batteries in Dennis Nickson's CJ6A in less than 2 months. If you doubt
>me contact him. He reads this list but is out of town for a week or so
>otherwise he would probably respond directly to the list.
>
>Even a very small load on the 12V center tap will cause significant
>overcharging of the top battery. With vented batteries you can get
>away with it for a little while as long as you make a point of keeping
>the top battery topped up with water and swap the batteries reasonably
>often. If you try to do this with sealed batteries they will die a
>quick death. They are dependent on the liberated O2 and H2 recombining
>at the opposite plate and if you produce O2 and H2 too quickly, it just
>escapes into the case, generating pressure without recombining.
>Eventually the overpressure valve opens and vents the O2 and H2 to
>atmosphere. The battery dries up and loses capacity after that.
>
>
>Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
>brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
>+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
>
>
Dennis Nickson Nickson & Associates
dennis@nickson.biz 3710 Lakeview Dr.
530.677.9760 (voice) Shingle Springs, CA
95682
530.676.7170 (fax) 530 957-9760 (cell
phone)
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| Subject: | Mounting a Delco alt |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Giday, Dennis. When you get a chance, could you please comment on what model or
part number
of Delco alt you have installed on the custom pad? I've got a splined drive spud
on hand and
would
like to chose an alternator that lends itself readily to mount on a machined pad.
Some of the
alts. have mounting ears on them that don't look too builder friendly. Any chance
of a picture
of
that combination? Thanks..
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
>...... It all works fine now
> with a Delco 28v alternator on a machined pad created by Marc Bates, Jr.
> I just wanted to confirm issues in Brian's em below.
> dn
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| Subject: | Kimble's Aviation Fall Fly-in - Oct. 14th - 17th ** ATTENDANCE |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Charlie Lynch" <lynch@netjets.com>
Kimble's Aviation Fall Fly-in
Georgetown, DE (KGED) Oct. 14th - 17th
PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ANY RPA / YAK PILOT WHO I MAY HAVE MISSED...
IF YOU DID NOT RECEIVE AN ATTENDANCE FORM RECENTLY VIA EMAIL, send me
your email address at Lynch@NetJets.com and I will send you one. Please
complete the form and return it if you are planning to attend our RPA
Fly-in. If you have questions regarding the formation portion of this
event, give me a call at (203) 637 - 2914.
Flying will start Thursday afternoon with a focus on getting
recommendation rides completed, check rides completed, and knocking off
the rust for those of us who have not flown recently. Formation ground
school will be taught early Friday morning by Professor Ski Slawinski.
It is mandatory for all new formation pilots and those who have never
attended this RPA ground school before. Friday will be devoted to our
typical formation clinic activities. A seminar for lead pilots will be
conducted Friday evening and all pilots, regardless of qualification,
are welcome to attend. Saturday morning will be devoted to mass
formation flying. On Saturday afternoon, we will have a flour bombing
contest which should be good fun for all. Saturday's events will
coincide with an event a local car club will be hosting in the airports
parking lot so we should have a good audience. We will also participate
in cookout lunch with them. Dinner will be at a local eatery in town
where tall tales can be told and flour washed off the faces of those who
got too low over the target. Sunday will either be additional mass
formation flying or more 2 and 4 ship training. The needs of the group
will determine what we try to accomplish.
Hotel
We have made arrangements for everyone to stay in the same hotel and
have arranged transportation to and from the airport throughout the day.
The hotel is a quick ten minute ride from the airport.
Atlantic Inn
210 E. DuPont Highway
Millsboro, DE 19966
302-934-6711
IMPORTANT: To reserve your room you must call the hotel and hold a room
in your name with a credit card. Ask for the Redstar Pilot's Association
block. There are rooms with two double beds for those of you that would
like to share ($69/nt + tax) and King rooms with fridge ($79/nt + tax)
for those that want something nicer. DO NOT WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE
TO RESERVE A ROOM !!!!
Registration
Registration for the event will be handled upon arrival. The
registration fee is $185, which covers Check Pilot expenses,
transportation costs, hotel discounts, breakfasts, drinks, snacks, and
administration costs.
Anyone with specific requests, or questions, please call or email the
event coordinator, Adrian Belinne at (240) 375-3423 or
Belinne@hotmail.com.
I look forward to flying with you all in a few weeks.
Best regards,
Charlie
Mr. Charles R. Lynch
99 Winthrop Drive
Riverside, CT 06878
(203) 637 - 2914 office
(203) 637 - 4747 fax
(732) 599 - 5473 cell
Lynch@NetJets.com
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