---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/20/04: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:15 AM - Pandora's Box... (Tim Gagnon) 2. 06:31 AM - Re: Pandora's Box... (A. Dennis Savarese) 3. 07:38 AM - Re: Pandora's Box... (Gus Fraser) 4. 07:59 AM - Re: Pandora's Box... (Brian Lloyd) 5. 08:10 AM - Radial Rocket (Janet Davidson) 6. 08:41 AM - aluminum fuel tank repairs (Brian Lloyd) 7. 09:40 AM - Re: Pandora's Box... (Richard Basiliere) 8. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: I want... (Brian Lloyd) 9. 10:11 AM - Re: On group interaction (I've had enough) (scott.huff@aivia.aero) 10. 11:43 AM - Re: aluminum fuel tank repairs (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G) 11. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: On group interaction (I've had enough) (Brian Lloyd) 12. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: On group interaction (I've had enough) (JGibson912@aol.com) 13. 05:29 PM - Re: aluminum fuel tank repairs (davestroud) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:18 AM PST US From: "Tim Gagnon" Subject: Yak-List: Pandora's Box... Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:10:40 -0400 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" Pandora's box...opened. Sorry guys, I should have kept my thoughts to myself. Brian, my wife is learning.she really is. She agreed to a single seat airplane! But now I have a bit of a problem, she gets "car"sick riding in the rear seat of a tandem! What I am supposed to do..get an RV? Help! Tim ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:13 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pandora's Box... --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" How about a Yak 18T? M14P; 4 seats side by side front and rear; doors on both sides; huge inside; 3630 pound gross weight; tons of baggage space; fully retractable undercarriage; pneumatics just like the 50 or 52 AND the added benefit of being fully aerobatic (+6, -3). I flew one in Lithuania recently while visiting the overhaul facility I do business with. It's a really neat airplane that your wife would enjoy. ALSO presently used by the Lithuanian Air Force. I have a photo of one in Lithuanian Air Force livery if you'd like me to email it to you Tim. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Gagnon" Subject: Yak-List: Pandora's Box... > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" > > Pandora's box...opened. Sorry guys, I should have kept my thoughts to myself. > > Brian, my wife is learning.she really is. She agreed to a single seat airplane! But now I have a bit of a problem, she gets "car"sick riding in the rear seat of a tandem! What I am supposed to do..get an RV? Help! > > Tim > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pandora's Box... From: Gus Fraser --> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser Get an SP91 two seats she can sit up front. 3800 ft per min climb 350 deg per second roll plus 12 minus 11 on the push pull and more grins than you can imagine. Mark jefferies can get one for you. Gus ...... Original Message ....... On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:27:23 -0500 "A. Dennis Savarese" wrote: >--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" > >How about a Yak 18T? M14P; 4 seats side by side front and rear; doors on >both sides; huge inside; 3630 pound gross weight; tons of baggage space; >fully retractable undercarriage; pneumatics just like the 50 or 52 AND the >added benefit of being fully aerobatic (+6, -3). I flew one in Lithuania >recently while visiting the overhaul facility I do business with. It's a >really neat airplane that your wife would enjoy. ALSO presently used by >the Lithuanian Air Force. I have a photo of one in Lithuanian Air Force >livery if you'd like me to email it to you Tim. >Dennis >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Gagnon" >To: "yak-list" >Subject: Yak-List: Pandora's Box... > > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" >> >> Pandora's box...opened. Sorry guys, I should have kept my thoughts to >myself. >> >> Brian, my wife is learning.she really is. She agreed to a single seat >airplane! But now I have a bit of a problem, she gets "car"sick riding in >the rear seat of a tandem! What I am supposed to do..get an RV? Help! >> >> Tim >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:30 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pandora's Box... --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Oct 20, 2004, at 9:10 AM, Tim Gagnon wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" > > Pandora's box...opened. Sorry guys, I should have kept my thoughts to > myself. No, you just triggered something many of us were already thinking about. You know, the funny thing is that Frank and I disagree only on the Islamic, sorry, "raghead" problem. (Hey Frank, is that enough non-PC for you?) But I view that as a meta-issue. If it wasn't the radical Islamists it would be someone else. 80 years ago we were threatened by organized crime. 65 years ago it was Japan and Germany. Then it was the Sovunion, "Red" China, North Korea, and Vietnam. Now we are worrying about Iran, China, and North Korea. If it isn't one damn thing it is another. Islam is just the threat du jour. Threats didn't begin with Islam and 9/11; they were always there. We just didn't pay attention (or most people didn't). But that doesn't mean that the threats are new. (I have been wondering for almost 20 years why we weren't attacked by terrorists because we are so vulnerable and we remain so vulnerable.) The only "solution" is a police state ala the Iron Curtain but even then dedicated agents were able to operate. There just isn't a solution that will provide real security. So the real problem is our government wasting our money ostensibly to provide security/protection that doesn't work. I love my country but I don't have to love its stupidity and its stupidity is *hurting* me and many of my friends as well. So my choice is reduced freedom in the name of security but no real security or retain our freedom and no real security. Since the "no security" part remains the same, I choose freedom. Let me have my CCW for the whole of the US and I will provide my own security, thank you. > Brian, my wife is learning.she really is. She agreed to a single seat > airplane! Go figure! > But now I have a bit of a problem, she gets "car"sick riding in the > rear seat of a tandem! What I am supposed to do..get an RV? Help! My wife was the same way. You know what the solution was? She learned to fly. When she started feeling uncomfortable she would fly the airplane and in no time at all felt fine. The key is that the brain deals with the problem of inner-ear inputs if it can do something about it. BTW, her favorite airplane was the CJ6A because it gave her an overwhelming feeling of strength and security. Besides, this is a safety issue. If she is in the plane and you get sick, she can get the airplane on the ground and get help for you. Nothing like systems redundancy I always say. And another possible upside is that she might LIKE to fly and want her own airplane. (wink wink, nudge nudge) Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802 There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:02 AM PST US From: "Janet Davidson" Subject: Yak-List: Radial Rocket --> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet Davidson" It was at Oshkosh this year - one of coolest planes there, I thought :) , along with Greg Herrick's Tri Motor, the Jenny, the ME109, the Bearcats, Diamond Star diesel engined twin etc, etc... Janet Has anyone ever been here? - http://www.greatwarflyingmuseum.com/planes/homepage_planes.html Time: 03:12:52 PM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: Re: Yak-List: Radial Rocket --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill VonDane Same specs as an RV-8... Almost the same size too... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Gagnon" Subject: Yak-List: Radial Rocket --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" Guys, Look at this little bugger! http://radialrocket.com/ Pretty cool but only stressed to +6? Tim Ph: 920 232 9238 email: gbvfx@hotmail.com http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:46 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Yak-List: aluminum fuel tank repairs --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd From the April 2004 issue of Light Plane Maintenance, page 4: Cessna Engineering recommends avoiding welding as the primary repair technique for repairs of minor fatigue cracks. The suggested repair is: 1. Stop drilling both ends of the crack with a minimum .125" diameter drill and breaking sharp edges. 2. Lightly abrade the tank surface around the crack. 3. Fabricate an external doubler from 2024 Alclad .020" thick aluminum. The doubler should extend a minimum of .5" beyond the crack in all direction and maintain at least .25" radius at the corners. 4. Clean the repair area and doubler with a solvent such as Methyln-Propyl Keytone. Fay seal the doubler in place with (MIL-S-8802) Type 1, Class B-1/2, B-2, or B-4. (Originally submitted by DeWitt Whittington, A&P) Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802 There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:51 AM PST US From: "Richard Basiliere" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pandora's Box... --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" SU-29. It's a "warbird" and the passenger compartment is in the FRONT. Respectfully, Rick B >>> NiftyYak50@msn.com 10/20/2004 7:10:40 AM >>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" Pandora's box...opened. Sorry guys, I should have kept my thoughts to myself. Brian, my wife is learning.she really is. She agreed to a single seat airplane! But now I have a bit of a problem, she gets "car"sick riding in the rear seat of a tandem! What I am supposed to do..get an RV? Help! Tim ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:37 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: I want... --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Oct 20, 2004, at 2:50 AM, Ron Davis wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > > I don't have a program so I sometimes have trouble keeping track of the > players. Are the "peaceful Muslims" the Sunnis or the Shiites? Talking about religion is mostly blather. Never have so many conflicting and unsupportable views been held so vehemently by so many for so long. > Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who > are > putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.--Mark Twain There is no question in my mind. My money is on the imbeciles. Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802 There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:05 AM PST US From: scott.huff@aivia.aero Subject: Yak-List: Re: On group interaction (I've had enough) --> Yak-List message posted by: scott.huff@aivia.aero The last digest contained 14 messages (out of the 24 total) that were of religious or political banter that really wasn't "orthogonal to the discussion of Yaks." While all of us are truly passionate about our freedoms, I'm tired of having to delete non-Yak related noise that comes from this list. Other groups I'm involved with manage to stay on topic ... Grumman Gang, CPA, and Cardinal Flyers for example. Every few weeks or so certain members of this group consistently get off topic. I've had enough. I'm unsubscribing. ** Do Not Archive ** ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:15 AM PST US From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G Subject: RE: Yak-List: aluminum fuel tank repairs --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G If anyone is interested..... I had several cracks in the aerobatic tank of my YAK-50. The metal is so thin that welding was NOT recommended by every person that took a look at it. The cracks were stop drilled... no doubler was applied... just a covering of 8802 over it after a complete cleaning. That was four years ago. I check the tank often and it is holding up well with no further signs of cracking or leakage. 8802 is some amazing material. Mark Bitterlich N50YK -----Original Message----- From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:brianl@lloyd.com] Subject: Yak-List: aluminum fuel tank repairs --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd From the April 2004 issue of Light Plane Maintenance, page 4: Cessna Engineering recommends avoiding welding as the primary repair technique for repairs of minor fatigue cracks. The suggested repair is: 1. Stop drilling both ends of the crack with a minimum .125" diameter drill and breaking sharp edges. 2. Lightly abrade the tank surface around the crack. 3. Fabricate an external doubler from 2024 Alclad .020" thick aluminum. The doubler should extend a minimum of .5" beyond the crack in all direction and maintain at least .25" radius at the corners. 4. Clean the repair area and doubler with a solvent such as Methyln-Propyl Keytone. Fay seal the doubler in place with (MIL-S-8802) Type 1, Class B-1/2, B-2, or B-4. (Originally submitted by DeWitt Whittington, A&P) Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802 There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:59 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: On group interaction (I've had enough) --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Oct 20, 2004, at 1:08 PM, scott.huff@aivia.aero wrote: > Every few weeks or so certain members of this group > consistently get off topic. I've had enough. I'm unsubscribing. Scott's right, I've contributed, and I will stop. My apologies to the list. Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802 There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:33:01 PM PST US From: JGibson912@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: On group interaction (I've had enough) --> Yak-List message posted by: JGibson912@aol.com don't feel bad i enjoy the lively email debate, jgibson ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:15 PM PST US From: "davestroud" Subject: Re: Yak-List: aluminum fuel tank repairs --> Yak-List message posted by: "davestroud" For the uninitiated Mark, could you please say what 8802 is? Thanks. David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada Christavia C-FDWS Fairchild 51 Early construction ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich GS11 Mark G" Subject: RE: Yak-List: aluminum fuel tank repairs ..... I check the tank often and it is holding up well > with no further signs of cracking or leakage. > > 8802 is some amazing material. > > Mark Bitterlich > N50YK