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1. 02:33 AM - Chinese Cylinder Torques (Jay McIntyre)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: 2nd Annual SE RPA Waycross GA FAST Clinic/Fly-In (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 06:33 AM - Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques (Joe Howse)
4. 06:39 AM - Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques (Joe Howse)
5. 06:47 AM - Re: Cylinder head bolts (Ernie)
6. 06:54 AM - Re: 2nd Annual SE RPA Waycross GA FAST Clinic/Fly-In (Ernie)
7. 07:55 AM - Re: Jim's Stuff (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 07:56 AM - Re: 2nd Annual SE RPA Waycross GA FAST Clinic/Fly-In (N4829T@aol.com)
9. 10:48 AM - Re: Cylinder head bolts (Walt Lannon)
10. 10:48 AM - Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques (Walt Lannon)
11. 11:07 AM - Re: Cylinder head bolts (Ernie)
12. 03:03 PM - Re: 2nd Annual SE RPA Waycross GA FAST Clinic/Fly-In (David Strawn)
13. 03:15 PM - Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques (Doug Sapp)
14. 04:21 PM - SNF Warbird Changes (cpayne@joimail.com)
15. 06:27 PM - Fw: Cj6 questionaire (cjpilot710@aol.com)
16. 06:44 PM - Re: Fw: Cj6 questionaire (cjpilot710@aol.com)
17. 07:07 PM - CJ-6 questionaire (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 07:53 PM - Re: Cylinder head bolts (Walt Lannon)
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| Subject: | Chinese Cylinder Torques |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
Hi all... just my 2 cents worth from down under.... I have had to do a number of
re-torques and stud replacements over the last few years and contribute the
following....
1. After looking through the US Tech Order Manuals (T.O's) we found that 300 lb/in
gave the appropriate torque for the size of the stud and the thread pitch.
2. We have decided to check torque all studs on all cylinders every hundred hours
- a bit of a pain, but gives piece of mind, especially as we had to change
an engine due to a cracked crank case caused by a loose cylinder.
3. AN PAL nuts work just fine in leiu of the lock tabs.We now just P-clipthe air
start pneumatic line to the push rod tube in an appropriate position. This makes
the check torquing of cylinders a much simpler and quicker job.
Lastly... does the M-14 have this cylinder base torque problem? I know that the
Warner Scarab's have a SB from the 1940's on this exact problem which called
for the fitting of larger studs to stop them pulling out of the crankcase....
<EM>Regards, Jay</EM>
P.S. see you at Classic Fighters 2005!
www.classicfighters.co.nz
Check out news, entertainment and more on the Xtra Broadband Channel
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| Subject: | Re: 2nd Annual SE RPA Waycross GA FAST Clinic/Fly-In |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I sure plan on attending this year Shane.
Dennis Savarese
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Golden" <scgsmg@direcway.com>
Subject: Yak-List: 2nd Annual SE RPA Waycross GA FAST Clinic/Fly-In
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
>
> OK troops, it's time to start planning the 2nd annual FAST Clinic and
> Fly-in in Waycross GA.
>
> Here's what I have so far:
>
> Dates: 13 - 16 Jan 2005
> Where: Waycross, GA KAYS FBO Manager: 912-337-9026
> Hotel: Days Inn (Same as last year) I have a block of rooms reserved
> Phone: 912-285-4700 Rate: app. $40
> Reasonable rates on the fuel.
>
> Ground School on Thursday 13 Jan??
>
> I've talked to the FBO Manager/Fire Chief and they are looking forward
> to having us back. I believe he's planning to lay on a spread like last
> year.
> They have just completed a new 6000' x 100' strip with new lights,
> taxiways, etc.
>
> Here's what we need:
>
> Instructors, students, and airplanes.
>
> Anyone interested email me or call @ 803-532-9063 Hm 803-479-0449 Cell
>
> Thanks,
> Shane Golden
> SE RC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Joe Howse <joeh@shaw.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Chinese Cylinder Torques
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hi all... just my 2 cents worth from down under.... I have had to do a
> number of re-torques and stud replacements over the last few years and
> contribute the following....
> 1. After looking through the US Tech Order Manuals (T.O's) we found that
> 300 lb/in gave the appropriate torque for the size of the stud and the
> thread pitch.
> 2. We have decided to check torque all studs on all cylinders every
> hundred hours - a bit of a pain, but gives piece of mind, especially as we
> had to change an engine due to a cracked crank case caused by a loose
> cylinder.
> 3. AN PAL nuts work just fine in leiu of the lock tabs.We now just
> P-clipthe air start pneumatic line to the push rod tube in an appropriate
> position. This makes the check torquing of cylinders a much simpler and
> quicker job.
>
>
> Lastly... does the M-14 have this cylinder base torque problem? I know
> that the Warner Scarab's have a SB from the 1940's on this exact problem
> which called for the fitting of larger studs to stop them pulling out of
> the crankcase....
>
>
> <EM>Regards, Jay</EM>
> P.S. see you at Classic Fighters 2005!
> www.classicfighters.co.nz
>
> Check out news, entertainment and more on the Xtra Broadband Channel
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Joe Howse <joeh@shaw.ca>
My 2 cents worth.
Continual re torqeuing of cylinder studs will eventually stretch the studs
past their elastic limit.
Studs properly torqued on assembly should not need retorqueing.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Chinese Cylinder Torques
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hi all... just my 2 cents worth from down under.... I have had to do a
> number of re-torques and stud replacements over the last few years and
> contribute the following....
> 1. After looking through the US Tech Order Manuals (T.O's) we found that
> 300 lb/in gave the appropriate torque for the size of the stud and the
> thread pitch.
> 2. We have decided to check torque all studs on all cylinders every
> hundred hours - a bit of a pain, but gives piece of mind, especially as we
> had to change an engine due to a cracked crank case caused by a loose
> cylinder.
> 3. AN PAL nuts work just fine in leiu of the lock tabs.We now just
> P-clipthe air start pneumatic line to the push rod tube in an appropriate
> position. This makes the check torquing of cylinders a much simpler and
> quicker job.
>
>
> Lastly... does the M-14 have this cylinder base torque problem? I know
> that the Warner Scarab's have a SB from the 1940's on this exact problem
> which called for the fitting of larger studs to stop them pulling out of
> the crankcase....
>
>
> <EM>Regards, Jay</EM>
> P.S. see you at Classic Fighters 2005!
> www.classicfighters.co.nz
>
> Check out news, entertainment and more on the Xtra Broadband Channel
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cylinder head bolts |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I havent been invited to the Stuart show. I beleive its invitation only. And
my airplane is down at the moment, and I probably wont be up by this
weekend.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: <FamilyGage@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cylinder head bolts
> --> Yak-List message posted by: FamilyGage@aol.com
>
> Airshows,
>
> Pappy, Craig, Sam, and Ernie, et al:
>
> Do any of you plan to attend the Stuart AirShow Nov. 12-14th. I plan to
be
> there. Also, DeLand is having a static display and young eagles meet
this
> weekend.
>
> Let me know off-list, so that we can plan a CJ-Yak formation group at
Stuart.
>
> Blue Side Up,
> Ray
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2nd Annual SE RPA Waycross GA FAST Clinic/Fly-In |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I'm in!!!
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 2nd Annual SE RPA Waycross GA FAST Clinic/Fly-In
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> I sure plan on attending this year Shane.
> Dennis Savarese
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shane Golden" <scgsmg@direcway.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: 2nd Annual SE RPA Waycross GA FAST Clinic/Fly-In
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
> >
> > OK troops, it's time to start planning the 2nd annual FAST Clinic and
> > Fly-in in Waycross GA.
> >
> > Here's what I have so far:
> >
> > Dates: 13 - 16 Jan 2005
> > Where: Waycross, GA KAYS FBO Manager: 912-337-9026
> > Hotel: Days Inn (Same as last year) I have a block of rooms reserved
> > Phone: 912-285-4700 Rate: app. $40
> > Reasonable rates on the fuel.
> >
> > Ground School on Thursday 13 Jan??
> >
> > I've talked to the FBO Manager/Fire Chief and they are looking forward
> > to having us back. I believe he's planning to lay on a spread like last
> > year.
> > They have just completed a new 6000' x 100' strip with new lights,
> > taxiways, etc.
> >
> > Here's what we need:
> >
> > Instructors, students, and airplanes.
> >
> > Anyone interested email me or call @ 803-532-9063 Hm 803-479-0449 Cell
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Shane Golden
> > SE RC
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 10/27/2004 10:06:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gfrew@attglobal.net writes:
Jim,
I finally got to take possesion of the gauges and A.H you mailed me. Thanks
again. Still sweating over that 22 cents I owe you.
Graeme Frew
Nanchang ooohhhh one
Ah yes. Servitude is so sweet!
Jim Goolsby
"Flush the Johns! Four more year!"
JEG 2004
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve
neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"The reason older men are like fine wine: when young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
"Kill them all. Let God sort them out"
Crusaders 900 AD
"With my shield, or on it."
Trojan Warriors, BC
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| Subject: | Re: 2nd Annual SE RPA Waycross GA FAST Clinic/Fly-In |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N4829T@aol.com
I'll be there too :)
Jim"Launch Pad" Plumlee
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| Subject: | Re: Cylinder head bolts |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Good point Brian but you also need to consider the reduction in area due to
the deeper thread cut.
If you go to any Pratt & Whitney manual (or FAA AC43-13B) you will find
general torque tables that specify a lower torque value with increasing
thread pitch. The following from P&W R985/1340 ----
Nuts, Bolts & Screw
From #8 to #12 there is no difference in recommended torque between coarse
and fine thread
From 1/4 to 3/4 the torque value is reduced for coarse thread. A few
examples ----
Thread Size Min. Torque Max. Torque
1/4-20 50 70
1/4-28 65 85
3/8-16 200 270
3/8-24 225 300
1/2-13 500 650
1/2-20 560 750
3/4-10 1700 2300
3/4-16 2000 2600
These are general values for standard AN hardware and do not relate to cyl.
hold down studs and nuts which are of higher UTS.
Fastener stretch within the elastic limit is of course the reason for a
torque value. Torque measurement is an imperfect operation that varies with
thread fit, condition, plating, no plating, lubrication, etc. In many
critical fasteners the actual stretch is directly measured and adjusted
within a specified range. In aircraft this applies to some internal engine
and
propellor components. Measurement where only one end of a fastener is
accessible may be done with ultrasound.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brianl@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cylinder head bolts
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Walt Lannon wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> >
> >
> > Hi Ernie;
> > Sounds like you have it all under control. I compared the P&W and
> > Huosai
> > studs today and found them to be virtually the same for torque
> > requirements.
> > Huosai studs are M10x1.5 (approx. 3/8" x 16 tpi)
> > P&W studs are 3/8"x24. Though the10mm stud is .018" larger in dia. the
> > deeper thread cut makes the tensile load area slightly less but still
> > close
> > enough to accept the same torque value of 300 in. lbs (lubricated).
>
> Be careful here. After all, it is the tension and stretch of the stud
> that holds the cylinder in place. The courser pitch means you will
> need a higher torque value to achieve the same level of tension on the
> stud. I would adjust the torque by the ratio of the thread pitch which
> would be in this case 24/16 = 3/2. 300 in*lb is 25 ft*lb. 25 * 3/2 > 37.5 ft*lb.
That makes the value of 40 ft*lb look just about right
> after you accommodate the additional friction losses.
>
> > 40 ft. lbs (480 in. lbs.) seems a bit high, I hope it does not exceed
> > the
> > elastic limit of the stud or the case threads.
>
> The courser pitch changes the mechanical advantage. 40 ft*lb looks
> right to me.
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
>
> There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good
> citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Hey Joe;
I tend to agree, even though P&W do recommend a one time re-torque after 50
Hrs.
But the Huosai and M14 are different with the gasket and lock plate. Get rid
of these and there should be no further problem.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Howse" <joeh@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chinese Cylinder Torques
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Joe Howse <joeh@shaw.ca>
>
> My 2 cents worth.
>
> Continual re torqeuing of cylinder studs will eventually stretch the studs
> past their elastic limit.
> Studs properly torqued on assembly should not need retorqueing.
>
> Joe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Chinese Cylinder Torques
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Hi all... just my 2 cents worth from down under.... I have had to do a
> > number of re-torques and stud replacements over the last few years and
> > contribute the following....
> > 1. After looking through the US Tech Order Manuals (T.O's) we found that
> > 300 lb/in gave the appropriate torque for the size of the stud and the
> > thread pitch.
> > 2. We have decided to check torque all studs on all cylinders every
> > hundred hours - a bit of a pain, but gives piece of mind, especially as
we
> > had to change an engine due to a cracked crank case caused by a loose
> > cylinder.
> > 3. AN PAL nuts work just fine in leiu of the lock tabs.We now just
> > P-clipthe air start pneumatic line to the push rod tube in an
appropriate
> > position. This makes the check torquing of cylinders a much simpler and
> > quicker job.
> >
> >
> > Lastly... does the M-14 have this cylinder base torque problem? I know
> > that the Warner Scarab's have a SB from the 1940's on this exact problem
> > which called for the fitting of larger studs to stop them pulling out of
> > the crankcase....
> >
> >
> > <EM>Regards, Jay</EM>
> > P.S. see you at Classic Fighters 2005!
> > www.classicfighters.co.nz
> >
> > Check out news, entertainment and more on the Xtra Broadband Channel
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cylinder head bolts |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Ok, so should I just interpolate and go somewhere in the middle 33 ft/lbs ??
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cylinder head bolts
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> Good point Brian but you also need to consider the reduction in area due
to
> the deeper thread cut.
> If you go to any Pratt & Whitney manual (or FAA AC43-13B) you will find
> general torque tables that specify a lower torque value with increasing
> thread pitch. The following from P&W R985/1340 ----
>
> Nuts, Bolts & Screw
> From #8 to #12 there is no difference in recommended torque between coarse
> and fine thread
> From 1/4 to 3/4 the torque value is reduced for coarse thread. A few
> examples ----
>
> Thread Size Min. Torque Max. Torque
> 1/4-20 50 70
> 1/4-28 65 85
> 3/8-16 200 270
> 3/8-24 225 300
> 1/2-13 500 650
> 1/2-20 560 750
> 3/4-10 1700 2300
> 3/4-16 2000 2600
>
> These are general values for standard AN hardware and do not relate to
cyl.
> hold down studs and nuts which are of higher UTS.
> Fastener stretch within the elastic limit is of course the reason for a
> torque value. Torque measurement is an imperfect operation that varies
with
> thread fit, condition, plating, no plating, lubrication, etc. In many
> critical fasteners the actual stretch is directly measured and adjusted
> within a specified range. In aircraft this applies to some internal engine
> and
> propellor components. Measurement where only one end of a fastener is
> accessible may be done with ultrasound.
>
> Cheers;
> Walt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Lloyd" <brianl@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cylinder head bolts
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
> >
> >
> > On Oct 27, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Walt Lannon wrote:
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon"
<wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ernie;
> > > Sounds like you have it all under control. I compared the P&W and
> > > Huosai
> > > studs today and found them to be virtually the same for torque
> > > requirements.
> > > Huosai studs are M10x1.5 (approx. 3/8" x 16 tpi)
> > > P&W studs are 3/8"x24. Though the10mm stud is .018" larger in dia. the
> > > deeper thread cut makes the tensile load area slightly less but still
> > > close
> > > enough to accept the same torque value of 300 in. lbs (lubricated).
> >
> > Be careful here. After all, it is the tension and stretch of the stud
> > that holds the cylinder in place. The courser pitch means you will
> > need a higher torque value to achieve the same level of tension on the
> > stud. I would adjust the torque by the ratio of the thread pitch which
> > would be in this case 24/16 = 3/2. 300 in*lb is 25 ft*lb. 25 * 3/2 >
37.5 ft*lb. That makes the value of 40 ft*lb look just about right
> > after you accommodate the additional friction losses.
> >
> > > 40 ft. lbs (480 in. lbs.) seems a bit high, I hope it does not exceed
> > > the
> > > elastic limit of the stud or the case threads.
> >
> > The courser pitch changes the mechanical advantage. 40 ft*lb looks
> > right to me.
> >
> > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> > brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> > +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
> >
> > There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good
> > citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | 2nd Annual SE RPA Waycross GA FAST Clinic/Fly-In |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Strawn" <dastrawn@charter.net>
Hello Shane,
I plan on attending if earning gas money doesn't get in the way.
Thanks,
Dave Strawn
CJ6-A 22161
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Golden
Subject: Yak-List: 2nd Annual SE RPA Waycross GA FAST Clinic/Fly-In
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
OK troops, it's time to start planning the 2nd annual FAST Clinic and
Fly-in in Waycross GA.
Here's what I have so far:
Dates: 13 - 16 Jan 2005
Where: Waycross, GA KAYS FBO Manager: 912-337-9026
Hotel: Days Inn (Same as last year) I have a block of rooms reserved
Phone: 912-285-4700 Rate: app. $40
Reasonable rates on the fuel.
Ground School on Thursday 13 Jan??
I've talked to the FBO Manager/Fire Chief and they are looking forward
to having us back. I believe he's planning to lay on a spread like last
year.
They have just completed a new 6000' x 100' strip with new lights,
taxiways, etc.
Here's what we need:
Instructors, students, and airplanes.
Anyone interested email me or call @ 803-532-9063 Hm 803-479-0449 Cell
Thanks,
Shane Golden
SE RC
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| Subject: | Chinese Cylinder Torques |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Dad always said "Opinions are like arm pits, everybody has at least two and
most all of them stink!" Having said that here's mine which is based on
what I have been able to glean from the Chinese. The 285 hp engine should
be re torqued at 100 hours after major. No mention was made of additional
"re torquing" so I won't venture a guess as to what is proper. It would be
good to hear from the guys that have had these problems and see how many
hours the engines had on them when the problems occurred. My hunch is that
they are higher time engines, over the Chinese TBO.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Walt Lannon
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chinese Cylinder Torques
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Hey Joe;
I tend to agree, even though P&W do recommend a one time re-torque after 50
Hrs.
But the Huosai and M14 are different with the gasket and lock plate. Get rid
of these and there should be no further problem.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Howse" <joeh@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chinese Cylinder Torques
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Joe Howse <joeh@shaw.ca>
>
> My 2 cents worth.
>
> Continual re torqeuing of cylinder studs will eventually stretch the studs
> past their elastic limit.
> Studs properly torqued on assembly should not need retorqueing.
>
> Joe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Chinese Cylinder Torques
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Hi all... just my 2 cents worth from down under.... I have had to do a
> > number of re-torques and stud replacements over the last few years and
> > contribute the following....
> > 1. After looking through the US Tech Order Manuals (T.O's) we found that
> > 300 lb/in gave the appropriate torque for the size of the stud and the
> > thread pitch.
> > 2. We have decided to check torque all studs on all cylinders every
> > hundred hours - a bit of a pain, but gives piece of mind, especially as
we
> > had to change an engine due to a cracked crank case caused by a loose
> > cylinder.
> > 3. AN PAL nuts work just fine in leiu of the lock tabs.We now just
> > P-clipthe air start pneumatic line to the push rod tube in an
appropriate
> > position. This makes the check torquing of cylinders a much simpler and
> > quicker job.
> >
> >
> > Lastly... does the M-14 have this cylinder base torque problem? I know
> > that the Warner Scarab's have a SB from the 1940's on this exact problem
> > which called for the fitting of larger studs to stop them pulling out of
> > the crankcase....
> >
> >
> > <EM>Regards, Jay</EM>
> > P.S. see you at Classic Fighters 2005!
> > www.classicfighters.co.nz
> >
> > Check out news, entertainment and more on the Xtra Broadband Channel
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | SNF Warbird Changes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
SNF Yakkers,
The EAA Warbirds will NOT be participating as an entity at
next year's Sun N Fun. This is no shock, given the takever
of the SNF by folks who have removed EAA from their
corporate name.
What this means to us is no free wristbands or fuel
reimbursement from Warbirds of America.
However, I have planned (with Pappy's help) an event during
this period at nearby Zephyrhills (ZPH). We will have a real
WW-II Baracks (restored) for a briefing room, our own ramp,
cheap (relative) fuel, and associated logistics. I also have
rooms at two hotels, 6 at the Quality Inn for $71.10/night
and 20 rooms at the Best Western for $64/night or $54/night
if you stay from Sunday-Sunday.
I'm sure we can STILL participate in the airshow for a few
days anyway. That means mass formation practice AS WELL AS
FORMATION TRAINING. I'll work the politics of trying to get
compensation, perks, if anyone cares.
There will still be a Sun n Fun fly-in, with vendors and all
but I see this an an opportunity to get together, fly, have
fun and MAYBE negotiate on our own for a place in the show.
Thoughts and Comments?
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Fwd: Cj6 questionaire |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
I was asked to forward this and I think it might be interesting for us all.
Jim Goolsby
"Flush the Johns! Four more year!"
JEG 2004
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve
neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"The reason older men are like fine wine: when young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
"Kill them all. Let God sort them out"
Crusaders 900 AD
"With my shield, or on it."
Trojan Warriors, BC
From: "FanQuanhong" <fanq@catic.com.cn>
Subject: Re: Cj6 questionaire
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Cj6 questionaire |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Well that was NOT a good idea!
Jim Goolsby
"Flush the Johns! Four more year!"
JEG 2004
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve
neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"The reason older men are like fine wine: when young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
"Kill them all. Let God sort them out"
Crusaders 900 AD
"With my shield, or on it."
Trojan Warriors, BC
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| Subject: | CJ-6 questionaire |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
I received this e-mail from Ms Quanhong Fan of Eaglet. I tried to forward it
in the normal way but, well you saw what happened. Some of you may have
gotten this questionnaire already. I will forward the attachment form to anyone
who sends me an e-mail requesting it.
___________message ______________________________
Dear Jim,
I sent you that email from my eaglet email address. Maybe you deleted it
because it is not a familiar address?
Right now, we are undertaking applying for the Chinese Airrworthiness
Certificate for Nanchang CJ6. This is the first step for our long march of applying
FAA, CAA and other air worthiness certificates.
As you are well aware, CJ6 has been used by the Chinese military for more
than forty years. PLA does not require any certification. However, as we are
endeavored to put CJ6 into civilian market, both home and abroad, we began to
apply Air worthiness Cerificate from CAAC. Our air worthiness authortiy (CAAC)
requires that we have sufficient data from CJ6 users to prove the
airworthiness of this type aircraft.
Here attached is the questionaire. Is it possible for to answer the attached
questionaire an help me to put it to Yak List for more CJ6 owners to answer?
I tried to post this questionaire to Yak List myself but failed. Could you
help?
Please send the signed copy to 86-10-64809690 or email a scanned copy to
fan@eaglet.com.cn. I believe this will benefit all CJ6 users in the long run.
Thanks in advance.
Best Regards
Fan Quanhong
_________________end of message__________________
Jim Goolsby
"Flush the Johns! Four more year!"
JEG 2004
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve
neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"The reason older men are like fine wine: when young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
"Kill them all. Let God sort them out"
Crusaders 900 AD
"With my shield, or on it."
Trojan Warriors, BC
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| Subject: | Re: Cylinder head bolts |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cylinder head bolts
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Ok, so should I just interpolate and go somewhere in the middle 33 ft/lbs
??
I would be more concerned with the crankcase threads than the stud (which
can likely handle 40 ft lb). I don't know the stud configuration. Is it a
straight or stepped stud? Is there a steel insert in the case or just a
tapped hole. If a stepped stud into a tapped hole or a straight stud into a
steel insert I would be less concerned with a higher torque value. I have
had 2 or 3 cylinders off in the past (exhaust valve problems) but paid no
attention to the stud attachment.
To be on the safe side I would still recommend 25 (300 in lb) but would
expect 30 to be an acceptable maximum.
Walt
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cylinder head bolts
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> >
> > Good point Brian but you also need to consider the reduction in area due
> to
> > the deeper thread cut.
> > If you go to any Pratt & Whitney manual (or FAA AC43-13B) you will find
> > general torque tables that specify a lower torque value with increasing
> > thread pitch. The following from P&W R985/1340 ----
> >
> > Nuts, Bolts & Screw
> > From #8 to #12 there is no difference in recommended torque between
coarse
> > and fine thread
> > From 1/4 to 3/4 the torque value is reduced for coarse thread. A few
> > examples ----
> >
> > Thread Size Min. Torque Max. Torque
> > 1/4-20 50 70
> > 1/4-28 65 85
> > 3/8-16 200 270
> > 3/8-24 225 300
> > 1/2-13 500 650
> > 1/2-20 560 750
> > 3/4-10 1700 2300
> > 3/4-16 2000 2600
> >
> > These are general values for standard AN hardware and do not relate to
> cyl.
> > hold down studs and nuts which are of higher UTS.
> > Fastener stretch within the elastic limit is of course the reason for a
> > torque value. Torque measurement is an imperfect operation that varies
> with
> > thread fit, condition, plating, no plating, lubrication, etc. In many
> > critical fasteners the actual stretch is directly measured and adjusted
> > within a specified range. In aircraft this applies to some internal
engine
> > and
> > propellor components. Measurement where only one end of a fastener is
> > accessible may be done with ultrasound.
> >
> > Cheers;
> > Walt
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Lloyd" <brianl@lloyd.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cylinder head bolts
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 27, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Walt Lannon wrote:
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon"
> <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ernie;
> > > > Sounds like you have it all under control. I compared the P&W and
> > > > Huosai
> > > > studs today and found them to be virtually the same for torque
> > > > requirements.
> > > > Huosai studs are M10x1.5 (approx. 3/8" x 16 tpi)
> > > > P&W studs are 3/8"x24. Though the10mm stud is .018" larger in dia.
the
> > > > deeper thread cut makes the tensile load area slightly less but
still
> > > > close
> > > > enough to accept the same torque value of 300 in. lbs (lubricated).
> > >
> > > Be careful here. After all, it is the tension and stretch of the stud
> > > that holds the cylinder in place. The courser pitch means you will
> > > need a higher torque value to achieve the same level of tension on the
> > > stud. I would adjust the torque by the ratio of the thread pitch
which
> > > would be in this case 24/16 = 3/2. 300 in*lb is 25 ft*lb. 25 * 3/2 >
> 37.5 ft*lb. That makes the value of 40 ft*lb look just about right
> > > after you accommodate the additional friction losses.
> > >
> > > > 40 ft. lbs (480 in. lbs.) seems a bit high, I hope it does not
exceed
> > > > the
> > > > elastic limit of the stud or the case threads.
> > >
> > > The courser pitch changes the mechanical advantage. 40 ft*lb looks
> > > right to me.
> > >
> > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> > > brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> > > +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
> > >
> > > There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good
> > > citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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