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1. 05:01 AM - Re: SNF Warbird Changes (FamilyGage@aol.com)
2. 07:11 AM - Events for next year... (Jeff Linebaugh)
3. 07:45 AM - Re: CJ-6 questionaire (Doug Sapp)
4. 08:24 AM - Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques (Ernie)
5. 10:16 AM - CJ-6 Questionaire (Richard Goode)
6. 12:43 PM - Yak Panels / ePanel Builder / RV-8A For Sale (Bill VonDane)
7. 01:20 PM - Re: Yak Panels / ePanel Builder / RV-8A For Sale (Jorgen Nielsen)
8. 01:44 PM - Re: Yak Panels / ePanel Builder / RV-8A For Sale (Bill VonDane)
9. 02:06 PM - Chinese Cylinder Torques (what about the M-14?) (Jay McIntyre)
10. 03:22 PM - Re: Next Year's Events (cpayne@joimail.com)
11. 03:25 PM - SNF Reply (cpayne@joimail.com)
12. 04:21 PM - Re: SNF Reply (davestroud)
13. 04:24 PM - SNF Reply (MFilucci@aol.com)
14. 05:25 PM - Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques (what about the M-14?) (Graeme Frew)
15. 06:21 PM - Fw: FW: SNF Warbird Changes - 2nd attempt (cpayne@joimail.com)
16. 08:12 PM - Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques (what about the M-14?) (Walt Lannon)
17. 08:22 PM - Re: CJ-6 Questionaire (Walt Lannon)
18. 10:32 PM - Re: Re: Next Year's Events (N13472@aol.com)
19. 10:41 PM - Re: CJ-6 Questionaire (N13472@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: SNF Warbird Changes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: FamilyGage@aol.com
Craig,
Your plan for SNF sounds good to me.
Ray Gage
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| Subject: | Events for next year... |
0.87 BANG_MONEY BODY: Talks about money with an exclamation!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jeff Linebaugh <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
Craig,
This could well be our best SNF YET! This sounds like a GREAT idea... Linedog's
in...
Shane,
I am in for Waycross unless I too am off working for gas money!
Everybody,
After our airshow success at Jackson, it seems we have stirred up some "business".
For planning purposes, we have been invited back to JAckson, TN for next
year (October 2005). Also, thanks to Team Red, we have been requested for a show
in Springfield, IL for a similar Red Star Mass Formation Air Show Act! Put
Sept 17-18, 2005 on your calendars....and one more- the Mid-South Airshow in
Millington, TN is slated for memorial day weekend in May 2005. Stay tuned for
further details... Cheap flying on someone else's nickel...gotta love it...
Jeff Linebaugh
Nanchang CJ-6P, Memphis, TN
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | CJ-6 questionaire |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Jim, send me a copy please, my experiences with Fan have been many and
varied and since I was the first one to ever import new airframes into the
US, I have a great interest.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: CJ-6 questionaire
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
I received this e-mail from Ms Quanhong Fan of Eaglet. I tried to forward
it
in the normal way but, well you saw what happened. Some of you may have
gotten this questionnaire already. I will forward the attachment form to
anyone
who sends me an e-mail requesting it.
___________message ______________________________
Dear Jim,
I sent you that email from my eaglet email address. Maybe you deleted it
because it is not a familiar address?
Right now, we are undertaking applying for the Chinese Airrworthiness
Certificate for Nanchang CJ6. This is the first step for our long march of
applying
FAA, CAA and other air worthiness certificates.
As you are well aware, CJ6 has been used by the Chinese military for more
than forty years. PLA does not require any certification. However, as we
are
endeavored to put CJ6 into civilian market, both home and abroad, we began
to
apply Air worthiness Cerificate from CAAC. Our air worthiness authortiy
(CAAC)
requires that we have sufficient data from CJ6 users to prove the
airworthiness of this type aircraft.
Here attached is the questionaire. Is it possible for to answer the
attached
questionaire an help me to put it to Yak List for more CJ6 owners to answer?
I tried to post this questionaire to Yak List myself but failed. Could you
help?
Please send the signed copy to 86-10-64809690 or email a scanned copy to
fan@eaglet.com.cn. I believe this will benefit all CJ6 users in the long
run.
Thanks in advance.
Best Regards
Fan Quanhong
_________________end of message__________________
Jim Goolsby
"Flush the Johns! Four more year!"
JEG 2004
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety, deserve
neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"The reason older men are like fine wine: when young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
"Kill them all. Let God sort them out"
Crusaders 900 AD
"With my shield, or on it."
Trojan Warriors, BC
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| Subject: | Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
But the question still remains. Torque to what value???
If my log books are correct, my hours are in the vicinity of about 350 hours
since Overhaul.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Chinese Cylinder Torques
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Dad always said "Opinions are like arm pits, everybody has at least two
and
> most all of them stink!" Having said that here's mine which is based on
> what I have been able to glean from the Chinese. The 285 hp engine should
> be re torqued at 100 hours after major. No mention was made of additional
> "re torquing" so I won't venture a guess as to what is proper. It would
be
> good to hear from the guys that have had these problems and see how many
> hours the engines had on them when the problems occurred. My hunch is
that
> they are higher time engines, over the Chinese TBO.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Walt Lannon
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chinese Cylinder Torques
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> Hey Joe;
>
> I tend to agree, even though P&W do recommend a one time re-torque after
50
> Hrs.
> But the Huosai and M14 are different with the gasket and lock plate. Get
rid
> of these and there should be no further problem.
>
> Walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Howse" <joeh@shaw.ca>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Chinese Cylinder Torques
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Joe Howse <joeh@shaw.ca>
> >
> > My 2 cents worth.
> >
> > Continual re torqeuing of cylinder studs will eventually stretch the
studs
> > past their elastic limit.
> > Studs properly torqued on assembly should not need retorqueing.
> >
> > Joe
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Chinese Cylinder Torques
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay McIntyre"
<jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all... just my 2 cents worth from down under.... I have had to do a
> > > number of re-torques and stud replacements over the last few years and
> > > contribute the following....
> > > 1. After looking through the US Tech Order Manuals (T.O's) we found
that
> > > 300 lb/in gave the appropriate torque for the size of the stud and the
> > > thread pitch.
> > > 2. We have decided to check torque all studs on all cylinders every
> > > hundred hours - a bit of a pain, but gives piece of mind, especially
as
> we
> > > had to change an engine due to a cracked crank case caused by a loose
> > > cylinder.
> > > 3. AN PAL nuts work just fine in leiu of the lock tabs.We now just
> > > P-clipthe air start pneumatic line to the push rod tube in an
> appropriate
> > > position. This makes the check torquing of cylinders a much simpler
and
> > > quicker job.
> > >
> > >
> > > Lastly... does the M-14 have this cylinder base torque problem? I know
> > > that the Warner Scarab's have a SB from the 1940's on this exact
problem
> > > which called for the fitting of larger studs to stop them pulling out
of
> > > the crankcase....
> > >
> > >
> > > <EM>Regards, Jay</EM>
> > > P.S. see you at Classic Fighters 2005!
> > > www.classicfighters.co.nz
> > >
> > > Check out news, entertainment and more on the Xtra Broadband Channel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> -List Email Forum -
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ-6 Questionaire |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Yak-List
CJ-6 Questionnaire
Since we in Europe do not have the fantastic advantages of a "experimental" system,
I have been forced to become somewhat of an expert in the whole issue of
certification.
I really cannot see how the reports of, even hundreds, of satisfied users would
help proper certification to FAR 23 standard! Or have I missed something?
Best regards
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Yak Panels / ePanel Builder / RV-8A For Sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
Hey all...
I just wanted to let you know that I added a new instrument category to my
ePanel Builder that has the factory YAK instruments in it so you can play
with different panel layouts:
http://www.epanelbuilder.com
I am thinking of getting a YAK and if I do I will be putting a BM Sport in
and wanted to see how it would look... This is what I was thinking:
http://www.vondane.com/yak/yak_bm_panel.gif
Also, if anyone know anyone interested in an RV-8A, have then check out
mine:
http://www.vondane.com/forsale/rv8a/
-Bill VonDane
RV-8A - Colorado
www.vondane.com
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| Subject: | Yak Panels / ePanel Builder / RV-8A For Sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Hi Bill
Any chance of adding an L-29 panel?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
> Sent: 29 October 2004 21:41 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Panels / ePanel Builder / RV-8A For Sale
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Hey all...
>
> I just wanted to let you know that I added a new instrument
> category to my
> ePanel Builder that has the factory YAK instruments in it so
> you can play
> with different panel layouts:
> http://www.epanelbuilder.com
>
> I am thinking of getting a YAK and if I do I will be putting
> a BM Sport in
> and wanted to see how it would look... This is what I was
> thinking: http://www.vondane.com/yak/yak_bm_panel.gif
>
> Also, if anyone know anyone interested in an RV-8A, have then
> check out
> mine:
> http://www.vondane.com/forsale/rv8a/
>
> -Bill VonDane
> RV-8A - Colorado
> www.vondane.com
>
>
> ============
> Matronics Forums.
> ============
> ============
> ============
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Panels / ePanel Builder / RV-8A For Sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I was hoping someone would be able to send me a line drawing and dimensions
for the so I could...
...and I might need a ride to make sure I have it right you know! ;o)
-Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak Panels / ePanel Builder / RV-8A For Sale
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Hi Bill
Any chance of adding an L-29 panel?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill VonDane
> Sent: 29 October 2004 21:41 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Panels / ePanel Builder / RV-8A For Sale
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
>
> Hey all...
>
> I just wanted to let you know that I added a new instrument
> category to my
> ePanel Builder that has the factory YAK instruments in it so
> you can play
> with different panel layouts:
> http://www.epanelbuilder.com
>
> I am thinking of getting a YAK and if I do I will be putting
> a BM Sport in
> and wanted to see how it would look... This is what I was
> thinking: http://www.vondane.com/yak/yak_bm_panel.gif
>
> Also, if anyone know anyone interested in an RV-8A, have then
> check out
> mine:
> http://www.vondane.com/forsale/rv8a/
>
> -Bill VonDane
> RV-8A - Colorado
> www.vondane.com
>
>
> ============
> Matronics Forums.
> ============
> ============
> ============
>
>
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| Subject: | Chinese Cylinder Torques (what about the M-14?) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
As always, terminology is a problem. When I said I do are-torque every 100 hours,
I should have really said check-torque. These are two completely different
matters as a re-torque involves backing off the torque and then torquing to the
correct value whereasa check-torque is simply setting the torque wrench to the
desired setting and checking that the required tension is still present.
Walt.... as for the stud configuration... the stud is simply screwed into the crankcase
with no helicoil and no step on the stud.
Anyone out there care to comment on whether the M-14 has this problem, as allfour
Housai's on our field have had this problem. Regular checking of the base studs
is a MUST. In fact, almost everytime we have had excessive oil on the belly
of the aircraft, it has been as a result of the cylinder loosing it's torque,
most commonly as a result of the paper gasket giving up the ghost and blowing
out.
On paper
gaskets.... is anyone operating without any gasket at all? Is it OK to do this?
Will areasonable seal be acheived with the shot-peened surface? (TheWarner
ScarabSB specifically calls for the removal of the gasket and for a groove to
be machined to take an O-ring similar to the Housai, but it's crankcase mating
surface is not shot-peened)
<EM>Regards, Jay</EM>
P.S. see you at Classic Fighters 2005!
www.classicfighters.co.nz
Surf the net and talk on the phone with Xtra JetStream!
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| Subject: | Re: Next Year's Events |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Sounds Good! Do we have anyone (RPA) going to the ICAS
convention? I'll go if we could approach airshow organizers
about hosting us. Is this practicable?
Suggestion: During this year's SNF get together, Lets focus
on Airshow Formation Flying rather than basic FAST training.
Why? Well we are doing more airshows now and it is apparent
that Airshow flying is a step up and demands practice.
What we do different:
- Take off in 3-ships on wide runways with #4 joining in the
slot, going directly to Diamond.
- Split the trailing 4-ship flights into elements that add
on to the flight ahead from front-to-back and then
(carefully) disengage back-to-front.
- In turns, the inside "wing" steps down as usual but the
outside "wing" turns in echelon so that everybody pops out
in formation on rollout.
- Timing, timing, timing and plenty of Situational Awareness
in mass formation changes and keeping tabs on the number of
passes and overall configuration.
- Change energy levels as a mass formation. Anywhere from
165 KTS on the bottom of a pass to 100 KTS at the top.
- And plenty more "little" things that take practice.
What a joy when all goes right and the video looks great,
especially on large screen in the Pub.
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Listers and Lurkers,
Here is a response to my SNF post from the officials of SNF.
Apparently one of our lurkers forwarded. I was surprised
that any of this was news, I'm usually the last to hear
anything....
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "davestroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Lurking and all other BS besides, could someone please say what has
transpired recently between the SNF orgainizers and the EAA?
Perhaps a breakaway towards common sense? Thanks..
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 Early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: <cpayne@joimail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: SNF Reply
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> Listers and Lurkers,
>
> Here is a response to my SNF post from the officials of SNF.
> Apparently one of our lurkers forwarded. I was surprised
> that any of this was news, I'm usually the last to hear
> anything....
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 10/29/04 6:25:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cpayne@joimail.com writes:
Here is a response to my SNF post from the officials of SNF.
Apparently one of our lurkers forwarded. I was surprised
that any of this was news, I'm usually the last to hear
anything....
Craig, the response did not come through with your email.
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| Subject: | Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques (what about the M-14?) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Jay,
When Dick Veale replaced the two cylinders I had valve grinds done on last
year they went back on with only 'O' rings installed with no apparent
problems to date.
Graeme Frew
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| Subject: | SNF Warbird Changes - 2nd attempt |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Listers & Lrkers,
SNF Official response to my original post that got forwarded
to them by one of our Lurkers.
Craig Payne
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: "Greg Harbaugh" <gharbaugh@sun-n-fun.org>
Subject: FW: Yak-List: SNF Warbird Changes
Mr. Payne - unfortunately I could not post this to the list
your message originally went to. If you could please pass
this along I would appreciate it.
Regards,
Greg Harbaugh
Vice President and Museum Director
Sun 'n Fun Fly-In, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Harbaugh
Subject: RE: Yak-List: SNF Warbird Changes
Folks:
There seems to be some misunderstanding here. EAA and Sun 'n
Fun have recently reinforced our intentions to work together
to promote active participation by EAA members (and the best
possible EAA member experience!) at Sun 'n Fun's Fly-In.
This most definitely, and especially, includes Warbirds.
Speaking for Sun 'n Fun, I can say definitively that the
benefits enjoyed by Warbird participants in our event will
continue, and, in fact, I am open to any suggestions as to
how we can make Warbird participation more enjoyable and
attractive for participants.
As you know, Sun 'n Fun has provided 2 free weekly passes
(wristbands) per aircraft engine to each Warbird attending
our event. We have also, at the suggestion of the Sun 'n Fun
Warbirds Chairman, provided 10 cases of beer for the Warbird
gathering for the last two years (not a big deal, but that's
what he asked for). Other benefits include courtesy vehicles
and near-in parking passes. We will also continue to
reimburse fuel for those Warbirds participating in our
airshow. The free passes in our opinion are well worth the
benefit to Sun 'n Fun of Warbird participation in our event.
We will continue to provide these benefits, and I solicit
your suggestions for how we might enhance your enjoyment of
our event. Mr. Payne, I would be happy to meet with you and
anyone else to discuss your coordinated participation or any
issues or concerns you may have, if that should be desired.
You may reach me on my cell phone at 863-944-2815 or at the
office at 863-644-2431.
One final note: Tomorrow morning at 10 am here at Sun 'n
Fun's Hospitality Room (above the pavilion) we will be
having an all-comers aviation safety meeting. I am committed
to making the Sun 'n Fun Fly-In as safe as possible and I
welcome your attendance if possible and comments/concerns if
you can't make it.
Best regards,
Greg Harbaugh
Vice President and Museum Director
Sun 'n Fun Fly-In, Inc.
Sun 'n Fun Fly-In Co-Chairman
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Subject: Yak-List: SNF Warbird Changes
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com"
<cpayne@joimail.com>
SNF Yakkers,
The EAA Warbirds will NOT be participating as an entity at
next year's Sun N Fun. This is no shock, given the takever
of the SNF by folks who have removed EAA from their
corporate name.
What this means to us is no free wristbands or fuel
reimbursement from Warbirds of America.
However, I have planned (with Pappy's help) an event during
this period at nearby Zephyrhills (ZPH). We will have a real
WW-II Baracks (restored) for a briefing room, our own ramp,
cheap (relative) fuel, and associated logistics. I also have
rooms at two hotels, 6 at the Quality Inn for $71.10/night
and 20 rooms at the Best Western for $64/night or $54/night
if you stay from Sunday-Sunday.
I'm sure we can STILL participate in the airshow for a few
days anyway. That means mass formation practice AS WELL AS
FORMATION TRAINING. I'll work the politics of trying to get
compensation, perks, if anyone cares.
There will still be a Sun n Fun fly-in, with vendors and all
but I see this an an opportunity to get together, fly, have
fun and MAYBE negotiate on our own for a place in the show.
Thoughts and Comments?
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Chinese Cylinder Torques (what about the M-14?) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Jay;
I have not yet had a cyl. attachment problem with the CJ's I look after.
They are all low time engines so that may be the reason. Two have been
converted to the M14P and these are both low time as well. I have had two
Huosai cylinders off for exhaust valve refacing and will shortly be pulling
one from an M14P for the same reason.
I had not seen a cylinder with a paper gasket before, all my radial
experience is with P&W engines. Was not aware that the Warner used a gasket.
I see no good reason for the gasket, the "O" ring base seal should do the
job, oil should not get to the shot peened surface. As a guarantee one could
use a coating of Hylomar which would seal the surface with no effect on the
metal to metal contact.
As you have already noted a 3/8" pal nut will work to replace the tab
washer.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Chinese Cylinder Torques (what about the M-14?)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay McIntyre" <jayatnowra@hotmail.com>
>
> As always, terminology is a problem. When I said I do are-torque every 100
hours, I should have really said check-torque. These are two completely
different matters as a re-torque involves backing off the torque and then
torquing to the correct value whereasa check-torque is simply setting the
torque wrench to the desired setting and checking that the required tension
is still present.
> Walt.... as for the stud configuration... the stud is simply screwed into
the crankcase with no helicoil and no step on the stud.
> Anyone out there care to comment on whether the M-14 has this problem, as
allfour Housai's on our field have had this problem. Regular checking of the
base studs is a MUST. In fact, almost everytime we have had excessive oil on
the belly of the aircraft, it has been as a result of the cylinder loosing
it's torque, most commonly as a result of the paper gasket giving up the
ghost and blowing out.
> On paper
> gaskets.... is anyone operating without any gasket at all? Is it OK to
do this? Will areasonable seal be acheived with the shot-peened surface?
(TheWarner ScarabSB specifically calls for the removal of the gasket and for
a groove to be machined to take an O-ring similar to the Housai, but it's
crankcase mating surface is not shot-peened)
>
>
> <EM>Regards, Jay</EM>
> P.S. see you at Classic Fighters 2005!
> www.classicfighters.co.nz
>
> Surf the net and talk on the phone with Xtra JetStream!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ-6 Questionaire |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Hi Richard;
You haven't missed anything. Ten thousand "satisfied users" would make no
difference. I would not recommend anyone hold their breath waiting for a
certificated CJ6.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Subject: Yak-List: CJ-6 Questionaire
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<richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>
> Yak-List
>
>
> CJ-6 Questionnaire
>
>
> Since we in Europe do not have the fantastic advantages of a
"experimental" system, I have been forced to become somewhat of an expert in
the whole issue of certification.
>
>
> I really cannot see how the reports of, even hundreds, of satisfied users
would help proper certification to FAR 23 standard! Or have I missed
something?
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Richard
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Herefordshire
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
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| Subject: | Re: Next Year's Events |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
In a message dated 10/29/2004 3:23:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cpayne@joimail.com writes:
> Suggestion: During this year's SNF get together, Lets focus
> on Airshow Formation Flying rather than basic FAST training.
> Why? Well we are doing more airshows now and it is apparent
> that Airshow flying is a step up and demands practice.
>
> I see another event that cuts the new guys like me out. When you old guys
die
who is going to continue on??????
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 N63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
In a message dated 10/29/2004 8:22:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
wlannon@cablerocket.com writes:
>
> Hi Richard;
> You haven't missed anything. Ten thousand "satisfied users" would make no
> difference. I would not recommend anyone hold their breath waiting for a
> certificated CJ6.
> Walt
In anycase who the %
&%$$ would want to have a certified CJ-6. The same folks
who think the (*&*
&)FAA is here to help you???????? Let the AD's run amuck.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 N63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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