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1. 05:07 AM - Newbie Training (MFilucci@aol.com)
2. 06:33 AM - Re: Yak-18T (Ernie)
3. 08:07 AM - Pics needed (cpayne@joimail.com)
4. 11:06 AM - Fan's questionnaire (Yakjock)
5. 04:21 PM - Re: Pics needed (Rob Mortara)
6. 05:36 PM - Craig, your being a pain (Doug Sapp)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 10/30/04 10:59:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
N13472@aol.com writes:
The only Regionalized events that I have seen since All Redstar 2004 in the
South west are for ACM only, specifically excluding FNG's? If there are
others
I have not
seen them mentioned on this list.
Tom,
With our all-volunteer organization there are two questions to ask: What
activities are you interested in and what are you willing to do to make them
happen?
There is a great bunch of talented Yak drivers in your region that are
willing to work with you but it is up to you to network with these guys and get
something going. My experience has been that Yak drivers are always looking for
an excuse to go flying and if nothing presents itself they will make up an
excuse. A new guy formation clinic can be as simple as two students, two
Instructors and two airplanes. I suggest you start by contacting Dave King:
_KingCJ6@aol.com_ (mailto:KingCJ6@aol.com)
Regards,
Mike Filucci
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Hey Roma,
Getting bored with the 39's and getting into something with a little more
vibration???
Ernie
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From: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-18T
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
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> I have a Yak-18T in Europe and will ship to Texas, any suggestions on how
to knock down for shipping ( container or deck cargo)
>
> R. Skinner
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Yakkers,
I am putting together yet another PowerPoint presentation.
This one is to send out to some airshow organizer folks I
know, shamelessly promoting our aircraft and mass formation
skills for use in their events. For compensation of course!
To this end, I need a few "centerfold" pics of a Yak-52,
-TW, and CJ that have "airshow quality" paint...as opposed
to REAL military paint like mine. The background should be
uncluttered as I'll be pasting into a white slide format.
Prior to release, I'll share this with some knowlegeable
people for sanity checking, effectiveness, etc. After that
I'll make it available to RPA members.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Fan's questionnaire |
0.00 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
I agree with Doug and the other comments questioning 1) the usefulness of certificating
the CJ and 2) the purpose of the questionnaire itself.
My experience in dealing with the Chinese on the new airframe I purchased (through
Doug) from the factory has been less than good. They make an agreement with
you, expect your money in advance, and then ship whatever they please with
no follow up and no facility for remedy of problems. In my case, I had ordered
- and they agreed to ship - a new airframe with no engine, radios, paint or
primer. What I received was a generally new airframe, no engine, a wired in ADF
(38 pounds) and Chinese primer - that is incompatible with our paint - sloshed
over everything! We have had to completely disassemble and strip everything,
and in the process found that a number of "new" parts were "Chinese new" meaning
that previously used parts that had been IRANed were put back onto the
fuselage (landing gear, for example). The quality of workmanship in several areas
was so inferior that we had to redo it, and the Plexiglas also had to be
replaced. I have mentioned these problems to Fan and always get a faint smile
and nothing else.
As for mods, the airframe I received was - so far as I can tell - identical to
every CJ manufactured since 1968. There were no improvements. The mods I see
in their adds are primarily mods that Fred Illenberg or Doug devised. When I
have asked Fan about this her response was to look at me quizzically and to remind
me that since someone had already come up with an idea it now belonged to
everyone and why would they not use it? Crash course in the difference between
our two economic and property systems.
With the additional investment of four years of "restoring" a brand new airframe
I will have an outstanding airplane, and with over a thousand hours in them
I do love the CJ. However, it is inconceivable to me that the Chinese will ever
be able to build a new Experimental CJ to the quality standards - or product
design responsiveness - that we have seen in the Yak 52TW. Given that I don't
see a substantial enough market to warrant new manufacture experimental CJs
, I really don't see them doing a certificated version. And, since they have
never bothered to ask us in the past what we needed or would like in support
of the current fleet, why would I think they are serious about our input on a
new certificated version? Doug and others have told them repeatedly about our
parts needs, and yet they still have to fight like hell to find parts for us.
(I'm wondering if they have read too many Bonanza policies?)
I don't think I'll send the questionnaire.
Hal
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
I have alot of pictures and video . If you are interested in a cd and or dvd
send me your addreess and I will send it to you
rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
cpayne@joimail.com
Subject: Yak-List: Pics needed
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Yakkers,
I am putting together yet another PowerPoint presentation.
This one is to send out to some airshow organizer folks I
know, shamelessly promoting our aircraft and mass formation
skills for use in their events. For compensation of course!
To this end, I need a few "centerfold" pics of a Yak-52,
-TW, and CJ that have "airshow quality" paint...as opposed
to REAL military paint like mine. The background should be
uncluttered as I'll be pasting into a white slide format.
Prior to release, I'll share this with some knowlegeable
people for sanity checking, effectiveness, etc. After that
I'll make it available to RPA members.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Craig, your being a pain |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Craig.
are you getting my emails? Most are bouncing, give me a call on Monday.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rob Mortara
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Pics needed
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
I have alot of pictures and video . If you are interested in a cd and or dvd
send me your addreess and I will send it to you
rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
cpayne@joimail.com
Subject: Yak-List: Pics needed
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Yakkers,
I am putting together yet another PowerPoint presentation.
This one is to send out to some airshow organizer folks I
know, shamelessly promoting our aircraft and mass formation
skills for use in their events. For compensation of course!
To this end, I need a few "centerfold" pics of a Yak-52,
-TW, and CJ that have "airshow quality" paint...as opposed
to REAL military paint like mine. The background should be
uncluttered as I'll be pasting into a white slide format.
Prior to release, I'll share this with some knowlegeable
people for sanity checking, effectiveness, etc. After that
I'll make it available to RPA members.
Craig Payne
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