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1. 02:51 AM - Re: Windscreen full of.... (Brian Lloyd)
2. 09:00 AM - Re: Spark plug torque (PeteAbbott@aol.com)
3. 11:43 AM - Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists (Matt Dralle)
4. 05:57 PM - Re: 2nd Annual Waycross GA Fly-In Poll (Jay Land)
5. 07:31 PM - Re: Spark plug torque (Walt Lannon)
6. 08:56 PM - Re: Spark plug torque (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 10:07 PM - Re: Windscreen full of.... (RV_8 Pilot)
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen full of.... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Nov 27, 2004, at 12:41 AM, Barry Hancock wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> Gang,
>
> Something, well more than one something, happened today that I thought
> would be worth mentioning. After 10 days of T-28 and L-39 flying (yep,
> passed my checkout on Wednesday!) I saddled up the CJ today to get the
> long look off of her face and headed down to French Valley to meet up
> with Buzzard for a nice lunch and some afternoon jousting above Pauma
> Valley.
>
> <lots of stuff deleted>
>
> Morals of the story? 1) I'm not so sure about letting good
> restaurants locate at uncontrolled airports. 2) Even at a controlled
> airport you never know when someone will be coming the wrong way down a
> one way street. That yahoo is lucky I didn't have my flare gun
> loaded....
Rhetorical question: so which encounter was the greatest threat to your
safety?
The tower operator is on the ground while you are in the air. You
experience different threat packages which skews your thinking. At an
uncontrolled field at least you don't get a false sense of security
that comes from talking to a tower and thus abdicating your
responsibility for traffic avoidance.
> 3) People who shouldn't fly, fly Pipers?
Oh, low blow. I've got one and it has served me well for 20 years. I
think there are too many people flying who don't understand
[airspace|their airplane|relative motion].
> So, it's a day late, but I'm thankful....just to be writing this post
> on the Yak-list. Life is good, because it's still here.... :)
The problem is, we aren't like your everyday GA pilot. We fly near
other airplanes. We know where the other airplanes are. We don't get
concerned when we fly near other airplanes. Most GA pilots have been
taught to avoid other airplanes and they have been taught that there is
only one way to enter the traffic pattern.
OTOH, we could live somewhere where the cost of flying is very high and
regulatory issues make it almost impossible to fly anyway so that there
are just aren't any other airplanes in the air.
Ah, to heck with it. Just be careful out there.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good
citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: Spark plug torque |
--> Yak-List message posted by: PeteAbbott@aol.com
I am new to the yak 52.
What is the gap and torque for the plugs on the M14?
Thanks
Pete Abbott
N852GC
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| Subject: | Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
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| Subject: | Re: 2nd Annual Waycross GA Fly-In Poll |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
Shane
3,4, and 6 would be most interesting to me
Jay
> From: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:12:53 -0500
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: 2nd Annual Waycross GA Fly-In Poll
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
>
> Things are coming together quickly for the Waycross fly-in. We're trying to
> get a good idea of who wants to do what. Please review the enclosed list
> and let me know what you are most interested in.
>
>
> 1) FAST Proficiency training flights
>
> 2) MASS Formation Practice (airshow type?)
>
> 3) Tactical/Advanced Formation Training
>
> 4) Aerobatics and Unusual Attitude Training and use of the aerobatic box
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> 5) Newbie FAST Training
>
> 6) Derby practice
>
>
> We have app. 5 newbie formation pilots that will require backseaters for a
> while, this activity will be separated from the rest for a day or two.
>
>
> Shane
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| Subject: | Re: Spark plug torque |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Pete;
Don't have the manual on hand at the moment but you cannot go wrong with the
following;
Plug gap 0.016" to 0.020"
Torque 240 to 300 lb/in (20 to 25 lb/ft). Consider 25lb/ft as the absolute
maximum for a 14MM spark plug. Anything over that and you may have plug
failure. Install in cold engine only using new or annealed copper gaskets.
If you have the copper/asbestos gasket mentioned in the M14P manual (which I
have not yet seen) replace with new.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: <PeteAbbott@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spark plug torque
> --> Yak-List message posted by: PeteAbbott@aol.com
>
> I am new to the yak 52.
>
> What is the gap and torque for the plugs on the M14?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pete Abbott
>
> N852GC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spark plug torque |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Pete,
Walt is correct (as always) for both the gap and torque. The M14P manual
gives the torque spec, converted to foot-pounds as 22 to 28.
If I may suggest something that will be extremely useful to you, purchase an
M14P maintenance manual either on CD or hard copy version from GESOCO.
Contact Cliff Coy at cliff@gesoco.com or George Coy at george@gesoco.com.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spark plug torque
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> Pete;
>
> Don't have the manual on hand at the moment but you cannot go wrong with
the
> following;
>
> Plug gap 0.016" to 0.020"
>
> Torque 240 to 300 lb/in (20 to 25 lb/ft). Consider 25lb/ft as the absolute
> maximum for a 14MM spark plug. Anything over that and you may have plug
> failure. Install in cold engine only using new or annealed copper gaskets.
> If you have the copper/asbestos gasket mentioned in the M14P manual (which
I
> have not yet seen) replace with new.
>
> Walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <PeteAbbott@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spark plug torque
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: PeteAbbott@aol.com
> >
> > I am new to the yak 52.
> >
> > What is the gap and torque for the plugs on the M14?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Pete Abbott
> >
> > N852GC
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windscreen full of.... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
Couple of observations from someone who flies 4,5,6 ship RV formation
regularly. Even our least experienced folks are much more adept at
maneuvering at non-towered airports than your typical spam can pilot. Most
of the folks flying rentals - or just flying with less intensity (?) than
most formation types (the ones being described in this thread) - are
generally pretty ignorant of things like overhead approaches and multiple AC
formations meshing with the pattern. Some are just flat terrified and think
civillians flying formation is illegal and wreckless.
What I've noticed occasionally that bothers me is when a flight lead gets
short or unnecessarily critical with a someone on the radio who has gotten
in the way or fouled up somehow. These guys (the ones who foul up) usually
have no idea what it means when we call something like "1/2 mile initial for
the overhead", etc.
It irritates me too when someone causes my flight to have to deviate, leave
the area or worse out of lack of attention or understanding. But I believe
we've got a little more burden to carry when bringing a flight into a
non-towered airport traffic area (not uncontrolled, but that's just a picky
point).
If you can't safely lead the flight in and get all the planes at least into
the flow of the pattern safely - *with* all the infrequent fliers in their
spam cans - then I'd say don't come in as a flight.
Now, for those 500-hr cfi wonders teaching B-52 patterns and those stupid
overfly and teardrop back to the 45 entry - I'm open to suggestions.
my 2 cents
Bryan Jones
RV-8, Yak or CJ later
Houston
> > Something, well more than one something, happened today that I thought
> > would be worth mentioning. After 10 days of T-28 and L-39 flying (yep,
> > passed my checkout on Wednesday!) I saddled up the CJ today to get the
> > long look off of her face and headed down to French Valley to meet up
> > with Buzzard for a nice lunch and some afternoon jousting above Pauma
> > Valley.
> >
> > <lots of stuff deleted>
> >
> > Morals of the story? 1) I'm not so sure about letting good
> > restaurants locate at uncontrolled airports. 2) Even at a controlled
> > airport you never know when someone will be coming the wrong way down a
> > one way street. That yahoo is lucky I didn't have my flare gun
> > loaded....
>
>Rhetorical question: so which encounter was the greatest threat to your
>safety?
>
>The tower operator is on the ground while you are in the air. You
>experience different threat packages which skews your thinking. At an
>uncontrolled field at least you don't get a false sense of security
>that comes from talking to a tower and thus abdicating your
>responsibility for traffic avoidance.
>
> > 3) People who shouldn't fly, fly Pipers?
>
>Oh, low blow. I've got one and it has served me well for 20 years. I
>think there are too many people flying who don't understand
>[airspace|their airplane|relative motion].
>
> > So, it's a day late, but I'm thankful....just to be writing this post
> > on the Yak-list. Life is good, because it's still here.... :)
>
>The problem is, we aren't like your everyday GA pilot. We fly near
>other airplanes. We know where the other airplanes are. We don't get
>concerned when we fly near other airplanes. Most GA pilots have been
>taught to avoid other airplanes and they have been taught that there is
>only one way to enter the traffic pattern.
>
>OTOH, we could live somewhere where the cost of flying is very high and
>regulatory issues make it almost impossible to fly anyway so that there
>are just aren't any other airplanes in the air.
>
>Ah, to heck with it. Just be careful out there.
>
>Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
>brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
>+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
>
>There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good
>citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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