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1. 06:43 AM - Re: Wooden Prop refinishing (Brian Lloyd)
2. 06:51 AM - Re: Yak-50 (Brian Lloyd)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: Yak-50 (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 07:52 AM - Nice try (Barry Hancock)
5. 08:07 AM - Re: Yak-50 (Frank Haertlein)
6. 08:36 AM - Re: Nice try (Terry Calloway)
7. 08:42 AM - Fw: Prop Strike.. remedy (Mike Fagan)
8. 09:01 AM - Doug's "be nice" post (Roger Baker)
9. 09:15 AM - Re: Fw: Prop Strike.. remedy (Ernie)
10. 01:11 PM - Yak 52 fairings (NapeOne@aol.com)
11. 04:31 PM - Re: Yak-50 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
12. 05:11 PM - A fine trip home. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
13. 06:22 PM - carb ice (HodgeJW@aol.com)
14. 06:55 PM - Cuff pictures (NapeOne@aol.com)
15. 07:19 PM - Re: Doug's "be nice" post (Doug Sapp)
16. 07:23 PM - Re: carb ice (Gus Fraser)
17. 08:31 PM - Validation (Barry Hancock)
18. 09:44 PM - Re: carb ice (D Zeman)
19. 10:46 PM - Re: carb ice (Frank Haertlein)
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| Subject: | Re: Wooden Prop refinishing |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Dec 3, 2004, at 10:40 PM, cpayne@joimail.com wrote:
> BTW, I DO HAVE a prop OH manual for the Wilga prop but I
> plan on using light weight crow foot weave 'glass cloth and
> epoxy + microballoon filler, with a polyurethane paint top
> coat. Balanced to the gram, of course...manual says 3 grams
> are good enough.
West System Epoxy is what you want to use. The only change I would
suggest is to use West System 406 Colloidal Silica filler instead of
the microballoons as it is structural and 407 Low-Density microballoons
filler is not. Microballoon filler is only suitable as a nonstructural
fairing compound and everything on a prop needs to provide structural
strength.
If you plan to do this get a copy of "The Gougeon Brothers On Boat
Construction, Wood & West System Materials". It is the bible for
building high-strength, high-reliability, weatherproof wood structures.
I cannot imagine a more hostile environment than the hull of a boat or
a propeller.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good
citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Dec 4, 2004, at 10:46 PM, Terry Calloway wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
> <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> CLEARLY the YAK 52 is an awesome machine
I agree.
> and FAR exceeds the CJ-6 with an Housai, M14P, M14D, M43P, or whatever
> the heck engine you want to attach to it.
It depends on the mission profile. For aerobatics the Yak-52 is
clearly superior. For cross-country flying the CJ has it hands down.
They are both wonderful airplanes designed for different purposes.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Yep! We sure did. Let's see, for the past six years it's been at least 6
times. Once a year "ain't" bad. -)
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak-50
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Oh gawd, here we go again....................didn't we go through this
> already?
>
> Lets play nice boys.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Calloway
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak-50
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
> <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> Barry,
> I also take exception to your trainer comparison efforts.
>
> CLEARLY the YAK 52 is an awesome machine and FAR exceeds the CJ-6 with
> an Housai, M14P, M14D, M43P, or whatever the heck engine you want to
> attach to it.
>
> Putting an M14P on a CJ reminds me of a fad few years ago when it was
> cool to put Porsche 911 wheels on a Volkswagen Beetle. :) Anyway you
> look at it (including the carpeting in your case) it's still a
> Volkswagen.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Let's hear from you 52 owners. Are you gonna take this sitting down?
> tc
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Dec 4, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Putting an M14P on a CJ reminds me of a fad few years ago when it was
> cool to put Porsche 911 wheels on a Volkswagen Beetle. :) Anyway you
> look at it (including the carpeting in your case) it's still a
> Volkswagen.
TC,
Your comments don't even merit a response.... But coming from a
Bonanza driver, that's to be expected (no offense intended, Hal :) ).
:)- Will you still say hi to me at ICAS now?
As for the SF 260, T-6, and T-34...I've flown the 260 and the
Target-6... the 260 is a sweet flying airplane, with a wussie sounding
*flat* engine in it. On the ground it looks like it should pull up to
a cappuccino machine, not the warbird row. The T-6 is a P-I-G....cool
history and a good trainer for the heavy iron, but that's as far as it
goes in my book. And a Target-34...why fly something that stands NO
chance against a CJ/Yak, and when it's all said and done is a tandem
Bonanza.....
"Sniper two is off high right. Smoke 'em while you got 'em!"
Barry (Ace -that's 5 kills- in one post) Hancock
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Terry
Matter of fact I was going to do just that....take it sitting down. I
figure the readers on this list are smart enough to know the difference
between the 52 and the CJ. I suspect that if you tried to rack around a
CJ like a 52 you'd rip it's wings off.
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Calloway
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-50
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
--> <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Barry,
I also take exception to your trainer comparison efforts.
CLEARLY the YAK 52 is an awesome machine and FAR exceeds the CJ-6 with
an Housai, M14P, M14D, M43P, or whatever the heck engine you want to
attach to it.
Putting an M14P on a CJ reminds me of a fad few years ago when it was
cool to put Porsche 911 wheels on a Volkswagen Beetle. :) Anyway you
look at it (including the carpeting in your case) it's still a
Volkswagen.
Just my 2 cents.
Let's hear from you 52 owners. Are you gonna take this sitting down? tc
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Insert laugh and group hug here.
You know I'm pulling your chain.
tc
ps Yes you can help set up our booth.
>>> barry@flyredstar.org 12/5/2004 9:51:27 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Dec 4, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Putting an M14P on a CJ reminds me of a fad few years ago when it
was
> cool to put Porsche 911 wheels on a Volkswagen Beetle. :) Anyway
you
> look at it (including the carpeting in your case) it's still a
> Volkswagen.
TC,
Your comments don't even merit a response.... But coming from a
Bonanza driver, that's to be expected (no offense intended, Hal :) ).
:)- Will you still say hi to me at ICAS now?
As for the SF 260, T-6, and T-34...I've flown the 260 and the
Target-6... the 260 is a sweet flying airplane, with a wussie sounding
*flat* engine in it. On the ground it looks like it should pull up to
a cappuccino machine, not the warbird row. The T-6 is a P-I-G....cool
history and a good trainer for the heavy iron, but that's as far as it
goes in my book. And a Target-34...why fly something that stands NO
chance against a CJ/Yak, and when it's all said and done is a tandem
Bonanza.....
"Sniper two is off high right. Smoke 'em while you got 'em!"
Barry (Ace -that's 5 kills- in one post) Hancock
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| Subject: | Fw: Prop Strike.. remedy |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com>
Hi there all the Yakkers out there
Can I please ask to receive from the accumulated wisdom.
We recently had a very slow speed prop strike and nose over on a tailwheel type
Yak
At the end of the landing roll the pilot concentration slipped and slightly over
enthusiastic application of brake. caused the prop to strike twice, stop and
then the aircraft nosed gently over.. prop tip damaged and slight damage to the
cowl.
RPM at time of accident was full idle and ground speed was 20 - 30 kph
SO: What to do?
Is this a prop change
Is this a gear box change
Is this an engine change
Taking all factors into account what is the "best practice solution"
Please contact me either off or on list
BR
MIke
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| Subject: | Doug's "be nice" post |
0.00 FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS From": yak-list@matronics.com
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
Hi Doug,
About your message of yesterday (included below); don't forget that this
is about Barry. Barry was crying out for validation....so, obviously,
someone must attack him. It must just have been those guys turn. Not to
worry.
Best regards,
Roger Baker
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Oh gawd, here we go again....................didn't we go through this
> already?
>
> Lets play nice boys.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Prop Strike.. remedy |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I cant speak for the M-14, but I feel that the Chinese engines and the M-14
are close enough to meritt this advise. In the Housai overhaul manual, there
is a section on prop strikes, the title is something along the lines of
"Un-natural of strange happenings to properllor" or something like that.
After some mind bending interpretations of their piedgeon english
translations, I was able to derive that if the damage is more than 3 meters
from the center of the hub and there was no sudden stoppage i.e. concrete,
then just change the prop. A good indication is the condition of the prop,
sever gouging or major loss of prop material would be a bad sign, whereas a
smooth and gradual bend without any leading edge damage would be better. As
a precaution mic'ing the prop shaft would be a good idea, and changing the
oil after 5 hours and checking for metal at least 3 times.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Fw: Prop Strike.. remedy
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com>
>
>
> Hi there all the Yakkers out there
>
> Can I please ask to receive from the accumulated wisdom.
>
> We recently had a very slow speed prop strike and nose over on a tailwheel
type Yak
>
> At the end of the landing roll the pilot concentration slipped and
slightly over enthusiastic application of brake. caused the prop to strike
twice, stop and then the aircraft nosed gently over.. prop tip damaged and
slight damage to the cowl.
>
> RPM at time of accident was full idle and ground speed was 20 - 30 kph
>
> SO: What to do?
>
> Is this a prop change
> Is this a gear box change
> Is this an engine change
>
> Taking all factors into account what is the "best practice solution"
>
> Please contact me either off or on list
>
> BR
>
> MIke
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: NapeOne@aol.com
I have seen pictures of a red west coast Yak 52 with fairings or cuffs for
the landing gear. Do the cuffs improve performance?
David H.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Some new words to the old USAF ditty known as
"Operations"
Oh don't give me an F-86D.
With rockets, radar, and AB.
It goes fast, I don't care.
It blows up in mid air!
no don't give me an 86D.
(chorus)
Give Operation out on some lonely atoll.
For I am to young to die.
I just want to grow old.
Oh don't give me a T-34.
It's just money hungry whore.
Her spars, they bend and they brake.
In her you life is at stake!
No don't give me a T-34!
(chorus)
Oh don't give me an L-39
With it's AVIRS mounted behind
Like all jets she stinks,
And the kero gone in a wink
No, I can't afford an L-39!
(chorus)
And don't give me a Yak -52
That loops and spins in the blue.
That inverted spin,
May splatter your ass in!
No don't give me a Yak -52.
(chorus)
OHhhhhhh! But give me a CJ-6 A.
And send me into the fray!
With guns and panache
I'll kick any ass!
Yes! Give me CJ-6 A!
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| Subject: | A fine trip home. |
keith.goolsby@eds.com, gaf127enl@msn.com, MDSHELLEY@aol.com,
yakjock@msn.com, walterfricke@yahoo.com, Rdorsey777@cs.com,
dabear@damned.org, TCalloway@hangar-d.com, mason.t@worldnet.att.net,
wpairprt@tdstelme.net, radialpower@cox.net, KILOUSMC@aol.com,
FamilyGage@aol.com, rvfltd@televar.com, cd001633@mindspring.com,
ernest.martinez@oracle.com, FOUGAPILOT@hotmail.com, N23GD@yahoo.com,
jtobul@tobul.com, tormentor34@netzero.net, JandEFinley@comcast.net,
davedris@cavtel.net, pino1@compuserve.com, RAre406906@aol.com,
JGoolsby@umaryland.edu, artziggy6@yahoo.com, vicky@shippei.com,
paraisoam@surfbest.net, EdrisDee@aol.com, Ckelso17@earthlink.net
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops, Flying Buddies, Family
Just returned home from a wedding up in DE. On the flight from PHL to ORD
there were 10 or 11 GIs fresh from Iraq. They were mostly SP-4s that belong to
a supply unit whose home base was Hawaii. That was were they were headed. My
seat mate was from Ohio originally and was looking forward to seeing his
little girl. She was born on the day he shipped out. He got to hold her for 30
minutes, before having to leave his wife at the hospital so as to ship out.
Another was an attractive young lady who with her husband and "joined up"
together. She was about to end her 4 year hitch. She said they were planning
on
her becoming a "mommy" while he continued his career. There she was holding
a Teddy bear in desert camo, for a niece, and still carrying her flack vest
and helmet. A modern picture of the 'woman warrior'.
UAL's flight attendant, mentioned on the PA, "We have special guests on
board." and without any prompting, the whole airplane broke out in applause,
cheers, and whistles, for these kids.
As I went to change planes in ORD, I notice other people in the terminal,
stopping these kids to shake their hands or pat them on the back.
God I love being around airplanes. You meet the greatest heroes in the world.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: HodgeJW@aol.com
Have any of you MP14 people out there had carb ice problems before? I always
heard that the carb on the MP14 was not susceptible to icing. Is this true in
your experience? I had a dramatic loss of power in my engine the other day. I
was at 2000ft and 230 klicks and the damn thing just went down to a low,
rough, idle speed. The skies were clear, no visible moisture whatsoever, and temp
was about 40F. I did make it to my airport where it wouldn't make enough power
to clear the runway. A couple of seconds later, it went back to running just
fine. I took the 3 fuel screens out and found....nothing. Everything else seems
to be in order, so I'm thinking carb icing. I always thought icing would be a
problem on days where moisture was clearly present, and at reduced power
settings. Let me know what you guys think.
Jay
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message@matronics.com, body@matronics.com, is@matronics.com,
uppercase@matronics.com
--> Yak-List message posted by: NapeOne@aol.com
Any speed increase?
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| Subject: | Doug's "be nice" post |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Sorry to be so jumpy, But you are correct Barry should know better than to
have so much fun in public.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Baker
From:yak-list"@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Doug's "be nice" post
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
Hi Doug,
About your message of yesterday (included below); don't forget that this
is about Barry. Barry was crying out for validation....so, obviously,
someone must attack him. It must just have been those guys turn. Not to
worry.
Best regards,
Roger Baker
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Oh gawd, here we go again....................didn't we go through this
> already?
>
> Lets play nice boys.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Never had a problem with Carb Ice in over 700 hours on various M14Ps. Does
sound like fuel though, so with that said either not enough fuel or too much
air. There was a post about a year ago of someone who had an engine failure
on run up and it proved to be a screw in plug on the carb that had come
loose. There were pictures of the location and I can get one if the person
who posted before doesn't have them. There were some people that checked and
found no wire locking on the plug at the time so obviously this plug can
come loose.
Can anyone else remember who it was who had the problem ?
When the engine was running OK again how were the mags ?
Hope this helps
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of HodgeJW@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: carb ice
--> Yak-List message posted by: HodgeJW@aol.com
Have any of you MP14 people out there had carb ice problems before? I always
heard that the carb on the MP14 was not susceptible to icing. Is this true
in
your experience? I had a dramatic loss of power in my engine the other day.
I
was at 2000ft and 230 klicks and the damn thing just went down to a low,
rough, idle speed. The skies were clear, no visible moisture whatsoever, and
temp
was about 40F. I did make it to my airport where it wouldn't make enough
power
to clear the runway. A couple of seconds later, it went back to running just
fine. I took the 3 fuel screens out and found....nothing. Everything else
seems
to be in order, so I'm thinking carb icing. I always thought icing would be
a
problem on days where moisture was clearly present, and at reduced power
settings. Let me know what you guys think.
Jay
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
> About your message of yesterday (included below); don't forget that
> this
> is about Barry. Barry was crying out for validation....so, obviously,
> someone must attack him.
LOL! Ever since the Navy won the last battle of the Vietnam war (i.e.
Kerry being exposed for the two faced wuss he really is) Roger has been
all over me with a bunch of puss filled whine balls...that's OK, Roger.
:)
Every time I safely park a CJ, or a Yak-50, or a T-28, or an L-29, or
an L-39 is plenty of validation for me (gosh, I'm getting as bad as
Pappy with this rubbing it in stuff!). The only validation I *need*
comes from a wonderful little spirit that has his second birthday in a
week.
ICAS starts tomorrow. Wish us luck, the "Red Menace" returns to defend
it's honor in the crud tournament. I hear the Blues and the Snowbirds
have had a picture of a red star in their locker rooms all year long.
Barry
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--> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com>
I have experienced a Yak's M14P die after landing and
before exiting the runway - a long low powered desent
preceeded. Temps were near freezing and moisture was
in the air. Started up after some cranking. I
suspect carb ice lead to this situation.
Zeman
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakkers
I had similar problems with a rough running engine. Carb ice was
suspected as the culprit. Carb ice occurs most frequently when the air
is clear with no visible moisture. Carb ice will also form during
straight and level so if your engine starts running rough close that
scoop! If the outside air is below 32 degrees then carb ice doesn't
form.
Another point to consider......an old time Russian M14P mechanic told me
that engine temperature management was very important with the M14P. He
said to try and keep the temps up and as consistent as
possible.....don't let it cool too much in low power descents or it
could start running rough.
The engine stoppage at run-up referenced earlier was due to a plug on
the top of the carb coming off. If that plug comes off it will cause the
engine to stop completely....no idling or rough running, just a dead
stop. You're flying a glider at that point.
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
HodgeJW@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: carb ice
--> Yak-List message posted by: HodgeJW@aol.com
Have any of you MP14 people out there had carb ice problems before? I
always
heard that the carb on the MP14 was not susceptible to icing. Is this
true in
your experience? I had a dramatic loss of power in my engine the other
day. I
was at 2000ft and 230 klicks and the damn thing just went down to a low,
rough, idle speed. The skies were clear, no visible moisture whatsoever,
and temp
was about 40F. I did make it to my airport where it wouldn't make enough
power
to clear the runway. A couple of seconds later, it went back to running
just
fine. I took the 3 fuel screens out and found....nothing. Everything
else seems
to be in order, so I'm thinking carb icing. I always thought icing would
be a
problem on days where moisture was clearly present, and at reduced power
settings. Let me know what you guys think.
Jay
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