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1. 02:16 AM - prop strike (Mark Jefferies)
2. 02:18 AM - 2004 List of Contributors - A Special Thank You... (Matt Dralle)
3. 02:30 AM - as I said (Mark Jefferies)
4. 02:37 AM - carb ice (Mark Jefferies)
5. 05:26 AM - Re: carb ice (Ernie)
6. 05:34 AM - Prop-Strike (Richard Goode)
7. 05:43 AM - Re: Prop-Strike (PeteAbbott@aol.com)
8. 05:48 AM - Carb-Ice (Richard Goode)
9. 06:00 AM - Pressure carbs (was: carb ice) (Brian Lloyd)
10. 06:05 AM - Test ..disregard (Giovanni Valmori)
11. 06:07 AM - Re: Prop-Strike (Giovanni Valmori)
12. 06:17 AM - Re: carb ice (Sam Sax)
13. 07:09 AM - Props strikes (cjpilot710@aol.com)
14. 07:50 AM - Prop-Strike (Richard Goode)
15. 03:45 PM - ICAS (Daniel Fortin)
16. 07:07 PM - Re: ICAS (Frank Haertlein)
17. 08:37 PM - Flight Suit for sale (Walt Murphy)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Treat it according to the manufactures instructions. OVERHAUL. Insurance
companies expect this also, but of course private owners know more than the
OEM so will just do as there wallet dictates.
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com>
Hi there all the Yakkers out there
Can I please ask to receive from the accumulated wisdom.
We recently had a very slow speed prop strike and nose over on a tailwheel
type
Yak
At the end of the landing roll the pilot concentration slipped and slightly
over
enthusiastic application of brake. caused the prop to strike twice, stop and
then the aircraft nosed gently over.. prop tip damaged and slight damage to
the
cowl.
RPM at time of accident was full idle and ground speed was 20 - 30 kph
SO: What to do?
Is this a prop change
Is this a gear box change
Is this an engine change
Taking all factors into account what is the "best practice solution"
Please contact me either off or on list
BR
MIke
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
First let me say Thank You to everyone that made a Contribution in support
of the Lists this year! I was particularly touched by all of the wonderful
comments people made regarding the Lists and how much they mean to
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near future, I would ask that you please give his great web site a
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Aldrich, Scott
Alexander, George
Aller, Daniel
Alley, Brian
Amos, Paul
Amundsen, Blair
Anderson, Edward
Anthony, Bruce
Applefeld, Gerald
Applegate, William
Arbeitman, Gordon
Archer, Matt
Ashcraft, Keith
Ashford, James
Austin, Peter
Ayers, Jim
Babb, Tony
Bahrns, Stan
Bailey, Rick
Baker, Jim
Baker, Mike
Baker, Owen
Baker, Roger
Baker, Victor
Bakke, Bj%f8rn
Baldwin, James
Ballard, Jerry
Ballenger, James
Banes, John
Banyai, Michael
Barnes, Tom
Barnett, W.Mark
Barrie, Darwin
Barter, Tom
Basiliere, Rick
Bates, Jr, Marcus
BauerJr, Fred
Bean, James
Bean, Robert
Beauchamp, Norm
Beene, Kenneth
Bell, Bruce
Benjamin, Hal
Benson, Lonn
Benson, Lonnie
Bergh, Dave
Bernard, William
Berner, Walter
Bernier, Jim
Bertelli, John
Berthet, Andre
Bertz, Gary
Bettmeng, Rick
Bezzard, Richard
Bidle, Jerry
Bieberdorf, Roger
Bikle, Alan
Bish, Dan
Blackwell, Charles
Blackwell, Jimmie
Blake, James
Boardman, Don
Bockelman, David
Boetto, Steve
Bonds, Kevin
Boothe, Gary
Booze, George
Borger, Robert
Borne, Chuck
Bothe, Andreas
Boucher, Michel
Boulet, Paul
Bourne, Larry
Bowden, Terry
Bowen, Larry
Bowhay, Eustance
Bowman, John
Boyd, Don
Boyer, James
Brame, Charles
Brandt, Leroy
Branscomb, Warren
Brasch, Glenn
Breckenridge, Bruce
Brick, John
Briggs, Tracy
Brooks, John
Brooks, Sterling
Broom, Richard
Brown, David
Brown, Ken
Brown, Kent
Brown, Robert
Brunke, John
Bryan, Mark
Bryan, Tim
Bryant, Geoff
Buchanan, Guy
Buchanan, Sam
Buchmann, Kenneth
Buehlmann, Peter
Buess, Alfred
Bullock, Jack
Burden, Ronald
Burke, James
Burnett, Ron
Burns, Mark
Burrill, Phil
Burton, Charlie
Burton, James
Butcher, Jim
Butcher, Ron
Butler, Francis
Butler, Sherman
Butler, Thomas
Butterfield, John
Buyse, Lieven
Caldwell, Lapsley
Calloway, Terry
Cann, Robert
Cannon, Paul
Cantrell, Jimmy
Cantrell, Kenneth
Capen, Ralph
Capra, Salvatore
Carlton, Raymond
Carpenter, Kenneth
Carroll, Randy
Carter, David
Carter, Howard
Cary, William
Celestre, Rich
Challgren, Stanley
Chambers, Leslie
Chandler, Rick
Chatham, Bob
Chenoweth, William
Chevaillier, Mason
Ciolino, John
Clark, James
Clark, John
Clay, Dennis
Clayton, James
Clement, Jim
Clyma, Frank
Coalwell, Timothy
Cochran, Stewart
Cockrell, Alan
Coggins, Mickey
Cole, Gary
Cole, Gerry
Collins, Bob
Colucci, Tony
Combs, Doyle
Compton, Scott
Condrey, Bob
Conkling, J.Michael
Connell, Joseph
Conrad, Gerald
Constant, Jeremy
Cook, Craig
Cook, Doug
Cooley, John
Cooper, James
Copeland, Garrett
Corbalis, .Leo
Corbett, Claude
Corder, Michael
Corner, Jim
Corriveau, Grant
Cottingham, Richard
Cottrell, Larry
Coursey, William
Courtney, James
Cox, JimL.
Crane, James
Cravener, Don
Craze, Gary
Cribb, William
Crimm, Steve
Crockett, James
Crosby, Harry
Crosley, Rich
Crowe, Michael
Cruikshank, Bruce
Cummings, Tom
Dalstrom, Douglas
Dalton, Bob
Danclovic, Paul
Danielsen, HansJ%f8rgen
Danner, Robert
Daudt, Larry
Daughenbaugh, Rj
Daves, Russell
Davidson, Janet
Davidson, Jeff
Davies, Brian
Davis, Charles
Davis, Peter
Davis, Robert
Dawson, Clif
Dawson, Garth
De Jong, Jan
Decuir, John
Deford, David
Deits, DPaul
Dennis, Chris
Dettmer, Randy
Dewees, Ron
Dial, Larry
Diehl, Donald
Disher, John
Dixon, Thomas
Dominey, Clifford
Dominy, Kenneth
Donaghue, James
Donaldson, Norman
Donato, John
Dornseif, Keith
Dowling, Jeff
Dresden, Robert
Dubroc, Tommy
Dudley, Richard
Duffy, Russell
Dukerich, Tom
Duncan, Rod
Durakovich, David
Durbrow, John
Eckel, John
Edwards, Joseph
Ehlers, ClydeD.
Elder,jr, William
Eli, Robert
Ellenberger, Mike
Elliott, Andrew
Ellis, Dale
Ellsworth, Jim
Elrod, Michael
Emberson, Cory
Engh, Duncan
Enns, Dennis
Ensing, Dale
Erb, Robert
Erickson, Alan
Ervin, Thomas
Erwin, Chip
Esterhuizen, Deon
Evans, Kathleen
Evans, Marion
Fackler, Ken
Fair, WilliamD
Falik, Donald
Farrell, Patrick
Farris, Greg
Fasching, John
Faulkner, Thomas
Featherston, Les
Feldman, Herb
Ferguson, Darren
Ferguson, Jay
Ferguson, John
Fifield, Scott
Figgins, David
Filucci, Michael
Firm, Howard
Fischer, Douglas
Fischer, John
Fishe, JF
Fisher, Michael
Fitt, Lowell
Fitzpatrick, Robert
Fix, Douglas
Flavin, John
Fluent, Grant
Foerster, James
Fogerson, Richard
Ford, John
Ford, Larry
Fordham, Chris
Forsberg, Erik
Fox, Byron
Frantz, Terry
Frederickson, John
French, James
Friel, Christopher
Frye, Dwight
Fulgham, Bill
Fullilove, Ken
Fulmer, JosephA
Fulp, John
Fussell, Larry
Futrell, Billie
Fux, Franz
Gagnon, Laurent
Gagnon, Tim
Gardner, Albert
Garforth, Richard
Gates, Leo
Gauthier, Alain
Geese, Ronald
Geldermann, Daniel
Genzlinger, Reade
George, Joseph
George, Neal
George, William
German, Mark
Gernetzke, Jill
Gherardini, Don
Giacona, William
Gibbons, Robert
Gibbs, Al
Giddens, Gerald
Giles, Tom
Gillespie, Rl
Gilliatt, Jim
Gingell, Rob
Gitt, Larry
Glaeser, Dennis
Glass, Roy
Glauser, David
Gleason, Mike
Goguen, Nelson
Golden, Shane
Goode, Richard
Goodings, John
Goodridge, Stuart
Goolsby, Jim
Gordon, Keith
Gott, Shelby
Gottelt, Herbert
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Gowing, John
Grabb, Gary
Graber, Joel
GrahamJr, WDoyce
Graichen, Peter
Grant, Jordan
Grantz, Alan
Green, Luther
Greenough, James
Gregory, Steve
Griese, Wayne
Griffin, Bill
Griffin, Robert
Grosse, John
Gummo, Thomas
Gunn, Jim
Gunn, John
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Haecker, H.Ivan
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Hagar, Steve
Hale, Adrian
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Hall, Charles
Hall, Joel
Hallsten, Keith
Hamer, Steve
Hamilton, Red
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Hankins, Roger
Hansen, Graham
Hansen, Ronald
Harding, Christopher
Haring, Robert
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Harmon, Loren
Harrison, Nigel
Harrod, Peter
Hart, Jack
Hartley, Keith
Harvey, Dale
Hasler, James
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Hatfield, Cicil
Hauck, John
Haverlah, Dennis
Heath, Donald
Heaton, Herb
Hedrick, Keith
Hefner, Jim
Hegler, Freddie
Heindl, Karl
Helming, Larry
Henson, Eric
Henwick, Mark
Heritch, Ian
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Herrick, DavidC
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Hilker, David
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Hodge, Jack
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Hoffman, Allan
Hoffman, Carl
Hoffmann, Thomas
Holifield, Steve
Holland, Rick
Holmes, Paul
Hood, Bill
Hooper, Randy
Hoover, Ralph
Hopper, Daniel
Horne, Gilbert
Horton, Kevin
Hoyle, Clifford
Hubbard, Eugene
Hueltz, Wolfgang
Hughes, Robert
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Hyde, Ken
Hyndman, Ross
Imken, Chuck
Inman, George
Isler, Jerry
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Jarvis, Andrew
Jaussi, Curtis
Jenkins, John
Jensen, Charles
Jensen, Jim
Jensen, Marinus
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Johnson, Anthony
Johnson, Dale
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Johnson, Dennis
Johnson, Edwin
Johnson, Les
Johnson, Lytle
Johnson, Thomas
Johnston, Bruce
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Jones, Alvin
Jones, Eric
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Jordan, JR
Joyce, David
Joyce, John
Jula, TheodoreF
Jung, John
Jurotich, Matthew
Kaluza, Charles
Kane, Lawrence
Kaser, Jim
Katra, James
Kearney, John
Keener, Forest
Kellum, Mark
Kempthorne, Hal
Kennedy, Robert
Kent, John
Kesterton, Donald
Kilburg, Larry
Killion, Clay
Kimsey, Thomas
King, Jack
King, John
Kirby, David
Kirby, Dennis
Klein, Fred
Klingmuller, Lothar
Kohles, Jerry
Koonce, R.L.
Kosta, Michael
Koyich, Ron
Kramer, Ed
Krasinski, Jerzy
Krok, Peter
Krueger, Grant
Kruleski, Chet
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
As I said, owners know more than the OEM !! and decisions driven by wallet.
For Christ's sake do the job properly or get out of aviation, your talking
of engine failures here, Russian roulette some time in the future. ...One in
5 engines we overhaul after prop strike have a crack somewhere. Its not
only rotational forces at play, have you thought about brunelling of the
thrust bearing for example? Quite clearly not.
Ernie said.....A good indication is the condition of the prop,
sever gouging or major loss of prop material would be a bad sign, whereas a
smooth and gradual bend without any leading edge damage would be better. As
a precaution mic'ing the prop shaft would be a good idea, and changing the
oil after 5 hours and checking for metal at least 3 times.
Best regards, fly safe-Mark Jefferies
For YAK UK Ltd www.yakuk.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
If the M14P does not get carb ice, why is it supplied with carb heat? Think
about it the OEM would not give you the option of carb heat were it not
necessary.
OK most owners driven by the wallet remove these when they crack, perhaps
your 52 (or M14P) does not have them fitted but should as you have
discovered.
Any carb that has a pressure drop and fuel supply will get carb ice. Some
more than others. What about the RSA5, does that? Yes, its Very similar to
the M14 carb.
Carb ice is quite common, as the 55 owner upside down in the undershoot. Or
the owner who says, I was warming my engine and it stopped.
Nuff said.
Have any of you MP14 people out there had carb ice problems before? I always
heard that the carb on the MP14 was not susceptible to icing. Is this true
in
your experience? I had a dramatic loss of power in my engine the other day.
I
was at 2000ft and 230 klicks and the damn thing just went down to a low,
rough, idle speed. The skies were clear, no visible moisture whatsoever, and
temp
was about 40F. I did make it to my airport where it wouldn't make enough
power
to clear the runway. A couple of seconds later, it went back to running just
fine. I took the 3 fuel screens out and found....nothing. Everything else
seems
to be in order, so I'm thinking carb icing. I always thought icing would be
a
problem on days where moisture was clearly present, and at reduced power
settings. Let me know what you guys think.
Jay
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
One other scenario is a loose or unlocked primer. Engine will run rough as
crap at low power if the primer is left open.
Ernie
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From: <HodgeJW@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: carb ice
> --> Yak-List message posted by: HodgeJW@aol.com
>
> Have any of you MP14 people out there had carb ice problems before? I
always
> heard that the carb on the MP14 was not susceptible to icing. Is this true
in
> your experience? I had a dramatic loss of power in my engine the other
day. I
> was at 2000ft and 230 klicks and the damn thing just went down to a low,
> rough, idle speed. The skies were clear, no visible moisture whatsoever,
and temp
> was about 40F. I did make it to my airport where it wouldn't make enough
power
> to clear the runway. A couple of seconds later, it went back to running
just
> fine. I took the 3 fuel screens out and found....nothing. Everything else
seems
> to be in order, so I'm thinking carb icing. I always thought icing would
be a
> problem on days where moisture was clearly present, and at reduced power
> settings. Let me know what you guys think.
>
> Jay
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Prop-Strike
At one level, I know many people have got away with simply changing the propeller.=20
On the other, the official manufacturer's procedure is that any prop-strike, and
certainly one that breaks more than a couple of inches off a blade must result
in an engine change or a strip-down of the engine.
I can say that we had a Sukhoi that had exactly this - i.e. a nose-over (2-blade
propeller); the pilot simply changed the propeller; about 10-hours later was
taxiing-in after an aerobatic sequence, when the engine locked solid - one of
the satellite gears in the gearbox had split in half, presumably due to the original
accident, and jammed the gearbox solid. Had this happened 5-minutes earlier,
it would have taken the engine out, with probably fatal results.
At its least you should remove the gearbox and NDT test the gears.
It is unlikely to have any damage to the prop-shaft or to the power section. It
can however damage the supercharger, but far less likely, and also failure will
be to the supercharger rather than to the accessory-drive, so if it fails
the supercharger stops turning, but the engine continues to run.
I hope this helps.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
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--> Yak-List message posted by: PeteAbbott@aol.com
What if the prop was "ground off". No splintering and even loss on both
blades of about 1 1/2 inch? Take the engine down or not?
Pete Abbott
N852GC
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Carb-Ice
The AK-14P carburettor on the M14P is, as carburettors go, not very prone to icing.
However it will ice, to the extent of running very badly.
The fact that Sukhois don't have a carb. heat has led some people to think there
is no possibility of icing - Sukhois however get over the problem by the carburettor
constantly getting cold air from the front mixed with hot air from behind
the cylinders.=20
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
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| Subject: | Pressure carbs (was: carb ice) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Pressure carburetors are far less susceptible to carb ice than are
standard carbs. In a pressure carb the fuel spraybar is downstream of
the throttle valve so even though there is a drop in temp sufficient to
form ice, there is no good place for the ice to form before you get
into the supercharger housing. About the only place is in the duct
between the carb and the supercharger housing itself and that is likely
to stay pretty warm from heat in the engine.
Now this is not to say that carb ice cannot form, only to say that it
is very unlikely even in the presence of conditions that favor carb
ice.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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| Subject: | Test ..disregard |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Giovanni Valmori" <givalmor@tin.it>
TEST
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Giovanni Valmori" <givalmor@tin.it>
Test
Disregard
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Subject: Re: Yak-List: Prop-Strike
> --> Yak-List message posted by: PeteAbbott@aol.com
>
> What if the prop was "ground off". No splintering and even loss on both
> blades of about 1 1/2 inch? Take the engine down or not?
>
> Pete Abbott
> N852GC
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Hi Gus,
I am the lucky guy who's engine shut down cold on the run-up... Lucky I
was, as if the screw had waited another 30 seconds to back out, I would have
been off the ground and in early climb-out... No engine coughing and
sputtering - dead as a door nail.
For the new M-14 operators who have not read my post at the time - It was
the Carb upper vent screw, check that is safety wired - mine was not
(Factory new engine).
As Frank indicated, this particular situation is not the culprit here - Carb
ice is.
Sam Sax
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
I fly a warbird for a guy who has all the money in the world. Recently his
"brand new" F4U made an intentional gear up landing due to a stuck check valve.
Apparent damage was flaps and prop. Engine? No one was sure. What they
did was, remove the prop of course, and remove the nose section of the engine
and inspected it ( The gears were die checked I think). No damage was found.
Back on it went along with a big money new prop, and her oil was scrutinized
closely for a number of hours afterwards. Now I know for a fact, that this guy
would have stuck on a new engine without ever thinking about the money (God, I
wish could do that!) But it didn't make any sense to everybody involved.
To me there are NO guarantees in aviation. I have had "over hauled" engine
with valve guides set to high, that destroyed my airplane and nearly my partner
who was flying at the time. My M-14p came from the factory with a scraper
ring where an oil ring should have been (I NEVER got a reply to my letters to
AeroStar BTW).
Having said that, here is my triaties on prop strikes. It depends.
There are conservative ways to approach prop strikes, overhaul the engine.
And some really "innovative" ways, i.e., saw off the bad parts of the blades
and keep going. When I pulled my world famous "Goolsby Stupid Trick", I went to
people who I knew really knew engines. They probably had a total of 150
years of round engine experience. I detailed what happen and what the apparent
damage was. (The mags were off, very low RPM, one blade broken off half way
out, the other blade had 3 inches gone. The blades were wood.) To a man, they
said to mic the shaft, replace the blades and check the oil religiously. They
all gave no guarantees. That was over 600 hours ago. Lucky? Some folks would
prefer to have that than skill.
The Chinese engines are almost identical to the M-14p. Their manual
basically says that if the blades (these are metal) are not bend less that one
meter
from the hub and there are no deep gauges or tears in the metal, than just
change the blades. On prop strikes its so much better to have wood blades. I'd
go along with what Richard Goode recomended. Take off the nose and have the
gears checked at least. That's really easy to do having done it. And none us
can give you a guarantee.
BTW, prop strikes (unless it hits a human or something really expensive) are
a non reportable incident to the FAA.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
In reply to Peter Abbott, it would SEEM that there was little shock to the engine.
However I would definitely crack-test the gearbox gears.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
To my ICAS convention bound Yakers friends,
I am looking for an ICAS performer directory. I know it was once published,
but am unaware if it continues to be or if one should rely on the website.
If someone heading to KLAS could pick one and mail it over to the great
white north for me it would be appreciated.
Thanks
Dan Fortin
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Daniel
Look at http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver for a link to the website
of the ICAS or click this next link..... http://www.airshows.org/ Or
click on the "Performers" link http://www.airshows.org/profile.php
Good Luck
Frank
YAK-52 (an aircraft designed by Russians who, when they flew against us,
kicked our butts during the Korean War)
N9110M
L71
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Subject: Yak-List: ICAS
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
To my ICAS convention bound Yakers friends,
I am looking for an ICAS performer directory. I know it was once
published,
but am unaware if it continues to be or if one should rely on the
website.
If someone heading to KLAS could pick one and mail it over to the great
white north for me it would be appreciated.
Thanks
Dan Fortin
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| Subject: | Flight Suit for sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Murphy <waltmurphy@charter.net>
For Sale : a used CWU-27/P, sage green in color, Nomex flight suit,
size: 46 long in excellent condition.
It is constructed of 100% Nomex (92% Meta-Aramid, 5% Para-Aramid, 3%
Conductive Material).
This Flight suit is the current US aviator style. This is a genuine
military specifications (MILSPEC) flight suit. No fraying, stains
or tears. It has Velcro strip over the left breast pocket
(For the Nametag). All zippers and velcro closures are in perfect
working order.
This is the information on the tag:
SIZE: 46L
8415-01-452-4940
COVERALLS, FLYERS, SUMMER
FIRE RESISTANT CWU-27/P
For sale in the US only , price is $50 + $10 shipping .
If interested please contact me off list, thanks,
Walt
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