---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/10/04: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:20 AM - T-34 (Mark Jefferies) 2. 05:23 AM - Re: T-34 (A. Dennis Savarese) 3. 06:56 AM - Re: T-34 (Brian Lloyd) 4. 07:16 AM - Re: T-34 (Ernie) 5. 07:43 AM - Yak-18T in Canada (Richard Goode) 6. 07:44 AM - Re: T-34 (Brian Lloyd) 7. 08:00 AM - Re: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? (Mark Schrick) 8. 08:09 AM - HOT HOT HOT "Girls of the YAK WORLD 2005" Calendar FOR SALE, ORDER NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Mark Schrick) 9. 08:25 AM - Re: T-34 (Ron Davis) 10. 08:40 AM - Re: T-34 (Ron Davis) 11. 08:48 AM - Re: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? (Daniel Fortin) 12. 09:41 AM - Re: T-34 (Walt Lannon) 13. 10:03 AM - Re: T-34 (Frank Haertlein) 14. 10:03 AM - Carb Heat (Richard Goode) 15. 10:04 AM - Re: T-34 (Frank Haertlein) 16. 10:14 AM - Re: Yak-18T in Canada (Walt Lannon) 17. 10:30 AM - Re: T-34 (Brian Lloyd) 18. 12:32 PM - Re: Carb Heat (Ron Spencer) 19. 01:15 PM - Re: T-34 (Daniel Fortin) 20. 02:07 PM - Re: HOT HOT HOT "Girls of the YAK WORLD 2005" Calendar (Gary Reynolds) 21. 02:40 PM - Young Eagles (cpayne@joimail.com) 22. 04:59 PM - HOT HOT HOT "Girls of the YAK WORLD 2005" Calendar order now LIMITED QUANTITY !!!!!!!! (Mark Schrick) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:56 AM PST US From: "Mark Jefferies" Subject: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" Why don't these companies use the YAK 52 that was designed for +7 at max T/O? How many wings have fallen of a YAK? None as far as I know. OK its experimental but the experiment has lasted long enough with the T-34 to show that its wings do fall of every year. Is there not a way through the regs that would allow Experimental to be used for commercial gain like in new Zealand? Strikes me that the T-34 should be used as an A to B a/c and bask in the sun on arrival. SECOND AIR ACES PLANE LOST A Texas air-combat simulation and upset-recovery training center has temporarily suspended operations after losing a second aircraft in just over a year to an apparent wing separation. The Texas Air Aces T-34 went down Tuesday about three miles from where a similar aircraft crashed on Nov. 19, 2003. In both crashes, the two people aboard the aircraft were killed. And in both tragedies, witnesses reported seeing one of the wings snap off before the aircraft spiralled into the ground near Lake Conroe. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:59 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" Point well taken Mark. The market value of the T34 (which has been grossly inflated) is most likely going to change dramatically. Time will tell. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jefferies" Subject: Yak-List: T-34 > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" > > Why don't these companies use the YAK 52 that was designed for +7 at max > T/O? How many wings have fallen of a YAK? None as far as I know. OK its > experimental but the experiment has lasted long enough with the T-34 to show > that its wings do fall of every year. > > > Is there not a way through the regs that would allow Experimental to be used > for commercial gain like in new Zealand? > > > Strikes me that the T-34 should be used as an A to B a/c and bask in the sun > on arrival. > > > SECOND AIR ACES PLANE LOST > > A Texas air-combat simulation and upset-recovery training center has > temporarily suspended operations after losing a second aircraft in just over > a year to an apparent wing separation. The Texas Air Aces T-34 went down > Tuesday about three miles from where a similar aircraft crashed on Nov. 19, > 2003. In both crashes, the two people aboard the aircraft were killed. And > in both tragedies, witnesses reported seeing one of the wings snap off > before the aircraft spiralled into the ground near Lake Conroe. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:48 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Dec 10, 2004, at 4:20 AM, Mark Jefferies wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" > > Why don't these companies use the YAK 52 that was designed for +7 at > max > T/O? How many wings have fallen of a YAK? None as far as I know. OK its > experimental but the experiment has lasted long enough with the T-34 > to show > that its wings do fall of every year. Because the FAA keeps us safe by only allowing only certified aircraft to be used for commercial operations. The T-34 (actually the Beech 'Mentor') is a certified aircraft therefore it is 'safe.' The Yak-52 is *NOT* certified and is therefore, by definition, 'unsafe'. Remember, the FAA knows more that you do. They are experts. > Is there not a way through the regs that would allow Experimental to > be used > for commercial gain like in new Zealand? hahahahahahah. You are soooo funny! All kidding aside, this is a problem I was addressing for my flying club down here. A flying club may own something like a Yak-52 and the members may fly that and reimburse the club for operating costs. That is how I was going to be able to provide a Yak-52. Then the TSA came out with its new regulations regarding collecting identification for all students, especially those not from the US, so I killed the plans for a flying club here. I suspect that one of the French islands will be much more hospitable. > Strikes me that the T-34 should be used as an A to B a/c and bask in > the sun > on arrival. Mostly I am just sorry to hear that there is another problem with the T-34. We may joke about the 'target-34' and 'peanut-brittle wings' but the fact is, we are *all* tarred with the same brush. The population, and therefore Congress, does not differentiate between a T-34 and a Yak-52 other than the fact that the T-34 is good ol' American engineering and the Yak-52 was built by those stupid, ham-fisted commies that President Reagan finally beat. So if good ol' american ingenuity fails, can the stupid Soviet hardware be far behind? Better we ban 'em all to keep honest Americans safe. (Yes, I am a bit jaded. Why do you ask?) Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802 I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:13 AM PST US From: "Ernie" Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" Well its not entirely true that you cant do commercial operations in experimental aircraft. Case in point is Jet Warbird Training center. He has a waiver to do rides and training in experimental jets. Also read http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/040930_warbird_policy.html Now we all know that experimental B-17's and P-51's are much safer than experimental CJ-6's. Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd > > On Dec 10, 2004, at 4:20 AM, Mark Jefferies wrote: > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" > > > > Why don't these companies use the YAK 52 that was designed for +7 at > > max > > T/O? How many wings have fallen of a YAK? None as far as I know. OK its > > experimental but the experiment has lasted long enough with the T-34 > > to show > > that its wings do fall of every year. > > Because the FAA keeps us safe by only allowing only certified aircraft > to be used for commercial operations. The T-34 (actually the Beech > 'Mentor') is a certified aircraft therefore it is 'safe.' The Yak-52 > is *NOT* certified and is therefore, by definition, 'unsafe'. > Remember, the FAA knows more that you do. They are experts. > > > Is there not a way through the regs that would allow Experimental to > > be used > > for commercial gain like in new Zealand? > > hahahahahahah. You are soooo funny! > > All kidding aside, this is a problem I was addressing for my flying > club down here. A flying club may own something like a Yak-52 and the > members may fly that and reimburse the club for operating costs. That > is how I was going to be able to provide a Yak-52. Then the TSA came > out with its new regulations regarding collecting identification for > all students, especially those not from the US, so I killed the plans > for a flying club here. > > I suspect that one of the French islands will be much more hospitable. > > > Strikes me that the T-34 should be used as an A to B a/c and bask in > > the sun > > on arrival. > > Mostly I am just sorry to hear that there is another problem with the > T-34. We may joke about the 'target-34' and 'peanut-brittle wings' but > the fact is, we are *all* tarred with the same brush. The population, > and therefore Congress, does not differentiate between a T-34 and a > Yak-52 other than the fact that the T-34 is good ol' American > engineering and the Yak-52 was built by those stupid, ham-fisted > commies that President Reagan finally beat. So if good ol' american > ingenuity fails, can the stupid Soviet hardware be far behind? Better > we ban 'em all to keep honest Americans safe. (Yes, I am a bit jaded. > Why do you ask?) > > > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza > brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 > +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802 > > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . > Antoine de Saint-Exupry > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:58 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" We are likely to be selling a Yak-18T four-seater to Canada. Unlike other Yaks (50/52/55 etc) the 18T has full Type-Certification in Russia, and also, today, in Hungary. Hungary is part of JAR (the European "Joint Airworthiness Regulations"), and as such most European based 18Ts are registered in Hungary, which allows them to fly freely in the Normal Category. Does anyone have experience of the Canadian requirements, and what the issues are involved in owning and operating an 18T in Canada? Might it be possible for the Canadians to accept the Hungarian certification? Or, failing that, do they have a "Restricted" or "Experimental" category which would allow such a plane to fly, but without the restrictions being too onerous? Very grateful for any suggestions, ideas or views. Please contact me directly as below. Richard Goode Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:55 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Dec 10, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Ernie wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" > > Well its not entirely true that you cant do commercial operations in > experimental aircraft. Case in point is Jet Warbird Training center. > He has > a waiver to do rides and training in experimental jets. But I believe that is limited to people with a legitimate need for transition and recurring training. There is also a provision for flying them for sales and historic purposes. It doesn't allow for generic aircraft rental, leasing, or training in experimental aircraft. > Also read > http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/040930_warbird_policy.html > > Now we all know that experimental B-17's and P-51's are much safer than > experimental CJ-6's. But they were built by red-blooded American men and women, not godless commie Chinese heathens or evil baby-killing-and-eating Russian thugs. ;-) Yes, we are very progressive here. (Political Correctness Disclaimer: the above is a weak attempt at tongue-in-cheek humor. It is not intended to indicate that we really have our heads up our collective exhaust manifolds. That may be the case in some subset of society, just not us cool politically-correct liberal types. YMMV) Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802 I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:30 AM PST US From: "Mark Schrick" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" I helped the FIRST Yak 52 to be certified "Experimental" in Canada just last year. Lots of paper work and small things but it can be done. Currently ONE Yak 52, ONE Yak 55, and 2 CJ6's are registered that I know of in Canada. More restrictive than USA but can be done. Several people have wanted to import Yak 18T's to Canada but none have placed orders yet. More of a "wait and see" situation. No one wants to be first but we do have the knowledge to get it done currently. Good luck. Mark "SHREK" Schrick YAK DRIVER, LLC Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW & 52W Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!! REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member 966 Wallace Drive San Jose, Ca 95120-1848 Hm/Fax 408-323-5150 Cell 408-391-6664 Email schrick@pacbell.net Website www.YAKDRIVER.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode Subject: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" We are likely to be selling a Yak-18T four-seater to Canada. Unlike other Yaks (50/52/55 etc) the 18T has full Type-Certification in Russia, and also, today, in Hungary. Hungary is part of JAR (the European "Joint Airworthiness Regulations"), and as such most European based 18Ts are registered in Hungary, which allows them to fly freely in the Normal Category. Does anyone have experience of the Canadian requirements, and what the issues are involved in owning and operating an 18T in Canada? Might it be possible for the Canadians to accept the Hungarian certification? Or, failing that, do they have a "Restricted" or "Experimental" category which would allow such a plane to fly, but without the restrictions being too onerous? Very grateful for any suggestions, ideas or views. Please contact me directly as below. Richard Goode Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:03 AM PST US From: "Mark Schrick" Subject: Yak-List: HOT HOT HOT "Girls of the YAK WORLD 2005" Calendar FOR SALE, ORDER NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" George Co has just released a CHRISTMAS GIFT for all RPA and YAK/CJ lovers out there. "GIRLS OF THE YAK WORLD" 2005 calendar George hired models and used several aircraft to for each month and made a RPA calendar to be proud of "or not". I have seen the pictures and they are racy but not to bad for the hanger or office. Very nicely done and you can not get this anywhere else. It has Yak 50, Yak 52, 52TW, CJ6 and Yak 9 in the pictures. Get the girls to sign the calendar at Sun-n-Fun or while ordering. George is charging his cost of $20 per calendar. This is what you would pay for normal calendar. Give him a call and order several for they are limited. I order my 8 calendars. GESOCO Industries % George Coy (802) 868-5633 629 Airport Road Swanton, VT 05488 $20 each plus shipping US Mail Mark "SHREK" Schrick YAK DRIVER, LLC Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!! REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member 966 Wallace Drive San Jose, Ca 95120-1848 Hm/Fax 408-323-5150 Cell 408-391-6664 Email schrick@pacbell.net Website www.YAKDRIVER.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:22 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" It's not entirely true that everything people do is legal or that they have every waiver they say they do either. There are some waivers to do training in experimental aircraft owned by the instructor (none is necessary if the plane is owned by the student), but I'd bet a lot that there aren't as many waivers as people who claim to have a waiver though. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:32 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" There isn't any way to use an experimental for these flights for profit because they haven't been proven to meet US standards. This is not the same as saying they don't meet the standards. Of course the CJ and Yaks are strong, but no one has proven that by doing all of the certification engineering and testing for the FAA. There is no way to prove (on paper) that the plane built by Chin's typewriter and airframe emporium is as good as the one built by Boris's tractor and fuselage company. This is what production certificates establish. As for T-34s, what did you expect? Beech has been designing, building, and producing defective wings at least since the 40's. Beech D-18s have ADs on the spar and this incompetence continues up through King Airs built in the 90's. Beech isn't a complete failure though. They have a good certification division- they keep getting their planes certified- and they have an excellent marketing department because they keep selling their planes. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:45 AM PST US From: "Daniel Fortin" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" I am unaware of how many 55 or 52 there are in Canada, but there is about a dozen CJ. I fly one of them. "Experimental"s meaning is completely different in Canada then the US. Here experimental is reserved for OEM for the eventual certification of an aviation product. There is however a special CofA for former military airplane. It is a little more complicated to obtain, but once you have it, much simpler to live with then the US (or a least I think so). One of the major draw back is the requirement to have all maintenance completed by an approved maintenance organization and most modifications have to go through some certification process. But one of the major advantage is the airplanes are authorized to fly for recreational purposes, no "training" area, no official base, no "proficiency" flights, just fun flying. If anyone would want more info, feel free to contact me off list. Dan Fortin >From: "Mark Schrick" >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:00:02 -0800 > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" > >I helped the FIRST Yak 52 to be certified "Experimental" in Canada just >last >year. Lots of paper work and small things but it can be done. Currently ONE >Yak 52, ONE Yak 55, and 2 CJ6's are registered that I know of in Canada. > >More restrictive than USA but can be done. Several people have wanted to >import Yak 18T's to Canada but none have placed orders yet. More of a "wait >and see" situation. No one wants to be first but we do have the knowledge >to >get it done currently. > >Good luck. > >Mark "SHREK" Schrick > >YAK DRIVER, LLC >Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW & 52W >Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!! >REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member >966 Wallace Drive >San Jose, Ca 95120-1848 >Hm/Fax 408-323-5150 >Cell 408-391-6664 >Email schrick@pacbell.net >Website www.YAKDRIVER.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode >To: YAK USA LIST >Subject: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" > > >We are likely to be selling a Yak-18T four-seater to Canada. > > >Unlike other Yaks (50/52/55 etc) the 18T has full Type-Certification in >Russia, and also, today, in Hungary. Hungary is part of JAR (the European >"Joint Airworthiness Regulations"), and as such most European based 18Ts >are >registered in Hungary, which allows them to fly freely in the Normal >Category. > > >Does anyone have experience of the Canadian requirements, and what the >issues >are involved in owning and operating an 18T in Canada? > > >Might it be possible for the Canadians to accept the Hungarian >certification? >Or, failing that, do they have a "Restricted" or "Experimental" category >which >would allow such a plane to fly, but without the restrictions being too >onerous? > > >Very grateful for any suggestions, ideas or views. > > >Please contact me directly as below. > > >Richard Goode > > >Richard Goode Aerobatics >Rhodds Farm >Lyonshall >Herefordshire >HR5 3LW >United Kingdom > >Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 >Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 >www.russianaeros.com > >dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com >MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:09 AM PST US From: "Walt Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > > There isn't any way to use an experimental for these flights for profit > because they haven't been proven to meet US standards. This is not the same > as saying they don't meet the standards. > > Of course the CJ and Yaks are strong, but no one has proven that by doing > all of the certification engineering and testing for the FAA. There is no > way to prove (on paper) that the plane built by Chin's typewriter and > airframe emporium is as good as the one built by Boris's tractor and > fuselage company. This is what production certificates establish. > > As for T-34s, what did you expect? Beech has been designing, building, and > producing defective wings at least since the 40's. Beech D-18s have ADs on > the spar and this incompetence continues up through King Airs built in the > 90's. Thanks Ron I have been telling my friends (some Beech owners- maybe ex friends) and anyone else that would listen the same thing for at least 30 years. Beech wing failures go right back to the Model 17 (Staggerwing) and, as you said, continue to this day in the King Air series. I sometimes wonder about the 1900. The reasons vary but basically come down to questionable engineering practices. Their heat treated steel tubing wing spars are one example (Model 18 failures) where they trade fatigue life for reduced weight. Walt > Beech isn't a complete failure though. They have a good certification > division- they keep getting their planes certified- and they have an > excellent marketing department because they keep selling their planes. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:50 AM PST US From: "Frank Haertlein" Subject: RE: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" Would it be illegal to charge higher rates for just the ground school portion of upset training and then throw in the actual flying for free? Wouldn't that allow you to use the 52 for this type of training? Frank N9110M YAK-52 L71 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" There isn't any way to use an experimental for these flights for profit because they haven't been proven to meet US standards. This is not the same as saying they don't meet the standards. Of course the CJ and Yaks are strong, but no one has proven that by doing all of the certification engineering and testing for the FAA. There is no way to prove (on paper) that the plane built by Chin's typewriter and airframe emporium is as good as the one built by Boris's tractor and fuselage company. This is what production certificates establish. As for T-34s, what did you expect? Beech has been designing, building, and producing defective wings at least since the 40's. Beech D-18s have ADs on the spar and this incompetence continues up through King Airs built in the 90's. Beech isn't a complete failure though. They have a good certification division- they keep getting their planes certified- and they have an excellent marketing department because they keep selling their planes. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:59 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: Carb Heat --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" To the best of my knowledge no 55Ms had carb heat - they were designed for highest performance in the overhead above airfields! Most owners put a blank onto the cold air-intake, so the engine gets hot air during colder/humid weather. Richard Goode Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:20 AM PST US From: "Frank Haertlein" Subject: RE: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" You're right, Dennis. I wouldn't buy one. Would rather have the 52 any day of the week. Just something about a strong airplane that gives you peace of mind. Oh, you got to check out this video http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/eject.wmv Frank YAK-52 N9110M L71 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" Point well taken Mark. The market value of the T34 (which has been grossly inflated) is most likely going to change dramatically. Time will tell. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jefferies" Subject: Yak-List: T-34 > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" > > Why don't these companies use the YAK 52 that was designed for +7 at > max T/O? How many wings have fallen of a YAK? None as far as I know. > OK its experimental but the experiment has lasted long enough with the > T-34 to show > that its wings do fall of every year. > > > Is there not a way through the regs that would allow Experimental to > be used > for commercial gain like in new Zealand? > > > Strikes me that the T-34 should be used as an A to B a/c and bask in > the sun > on arrival. > > > SECOND AIR ACES PLANE LOST > > A Texas air-combat simulation and upset-recovery training center has > temporarily suspended operations after losing a second aircraft in > just over > a year to an apparent wing separation. The Texas Air Aces T-34 went > down Tuesday about three miles from where a similar aircraft crashed > on Nov. 19, > 2003. In both crashes, the two people aboard the aircraft were killed. > And in both tragedies, witnesses reported seeing one of the wings snap > off before the aircraft spiralled into the ground near Lake Conroe. > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:42 AM PST US From: "Walt Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" Hi Richard, Mark, et al There are approx. 15 CJ's on the Canadian register, at least 2 each Yak 52 & 55. The Experimental category in Canada is reserved for type certification test flying. Ex-military (and some other NON type certificated) aircraft are licensed with a Special C of A in the Limited Category. Other categories include Amateur Built, Restricted (Ag aircraft), etc. The operational difference from US Experimental is that maintenance and annual inspection is the same as a type certified aircraft and major mods. must go through a similar process. Personally I do not consider this a disadvantage, the upside is there are no operational restrictions of any type on the CJ6. The Yak 18 T could be a problem because it has a type certificate. That makes it ineligible for the Limited Category. It is possible it could be operated in Canada under Russian or Hungarian register. Joe Howse could probably shed more light on this subject than I. Walt -- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" > > We are likely to be selling a Yak-18T four-seater to Canada. > > > Unlike other Yaks (50/52/55 etc) the 18T has full Type-Certification in Russia, and also, today, in Hungary. Hungary is part of JAR (the European "Joint Airworthiness Regulations"), and as such most European based 18Ts are registered in Hungary, which allows them to fly freely in the Normal Category. > > > Does anyone have experience of the Canadian requirements, and what the issues are involved in owning and operating an 18T in Canada? > > > Might it be possible for the Canadians to accept the Hungarian certification? Or, failing that, do they have a "Restricted" or "Experimental" category which would allow such a plane to fly, but without the restrictions being too onerous? > > > Very grateful for any suggestions, ideas or views. > > > Please contact me directly as below. > > > Richard Goode > > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Herefordshire > HR5 3LW > United Kingdom > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > www.russianaeros.com > > dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:17 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd On Dec 10, 2004, at 2:03 PM, Frank Haertlein wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > Would it be illegal to charge higher rates for just the ground school > portion of upset training and then throw in the actual flying for free? > Wouldn't that allow you to use the 52 for this type of training? You could try that but I suspect that the FAA would see right through it and clobber you anyway. Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201 +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802 I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . Antoine de Saint-Exupry ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:08 PM PST US From: "Ron Spencer" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Carb Heat --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer" Thanks for the info, do you happen to know exactly where the cold-intake is on the 55M or is a standard engine location? -rs- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: Carb Heat > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" > > > To the best of my knowledge no 55Ms had carb heat - they were designed for > highest performance in the overhead above airfields! > > > Most owners put a blank onto the cold air-intake, so the engine gets hot > air during colder/humid weather. > > > Richard Goode > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Herefordshire > HR5 3LW > United Kingdom > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > www.russianaeros.com > > dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:16 PM PST US From: "Daniel Fortin" Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" You are right Ron, Beech isn't a complete failure...just look at the Starship... :-) >From: "Ron Davis" >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 >Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:19:42 -0700 > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > >There isn't any way to use an experimental for these flights for profit >because they haven't been proven to meet US standards. This is not the >same >as saying they don't meet the standards. > >Of course the CJ and Yaks are strong, but no one has proven that by doing >all of the certification engineering and testing for the FAA. There is no >way to prove (on paper) that the plane built by Chin's typewriter and >airframe emporium is as good as the one built by Boris's tractor and >fuselage company. This is what production certificates establish. > >As for T-34s, what did you expect? Beech has been designing, building, and >producing defective wings at least since the 40's. Beech D-18s have ADs on >the spar and this incompetence continues up through King Airs built in the >90's. > >Beech isn't a complete failure though. They have a good certification >division- they keep getting their planes certified- and they have an >excellent marketing department because they keep selling their planes. > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:48 PM PST US From: Gary Reynolds Subject: RE: Yak-List: HOT HOT HOT "Girls of the YAK WORLD 2005" Calendar --> Yak-List message posted by: Gary Reynolds Gday Mark How can we get some of the yak calendars to Australia i know quite a few guys down here interested Gary Reynolds -----Original Message----- From: Mark Schrick [mailto:schrick@pacbell.net] Subject: Yak-List: HOT HOT HOT "Girls of the YAK WORLD 2005" Calendar FOR SALE, ORDER NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" George Co has just released a CHRISTMAS GIFT for all RPA and YAK/CJ lovers out there. "GIRLS OF THE YAK WORLD" 2005 calendar George hired models and used several aircraft to for each month and made a RPA calendar to be proud of "or not". I have seen the pictures and they are racy but not to bad for the hanger or office. Very nicely done and you can not get this anywhere else. It has Yak 50, Yak 52, 52TW, CJ6 and Yak 9 in the pictures. Get the girls to sign the calendar at Sun-n-Fun or while ordering. George is charging his cost of $20 per calendar. This is what you would pay for normal calendar. Give him a call and order several for they are limited. I order my 8 calendars. GESOCO Industries % George Coy (802) 868-5633 629 Airport Road Swanton, VT 05488 $20 each plus shipping US Mail Mark "SHREK" Schrick YAK DRIVER, LLC Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!! REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member 966 Wallace Drive San Jose, Ca 95120-1848 Hm/Fax 408-323-5150 Cell 408-391-6664 Email schrick@pacbell.net Website www.YAKDRIVER.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:16 PM PST US From: "cpayne@joimail.com" Subject: Yak-List: Young Eagles --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" Got my Sport Aviation today and was happy to see that "Blitz" got some good PR for flying Young Eagles in his "CJ-1". I have done over 120 YE in my CJ-6 but no Hollywood treatment. Anybody else done more in their Yak/CJ? Spam can rides don't count here. Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:52 PM PST US From: "Mark Schrick" Subject: Yak-List: HOT HOT HOT "Girls of the YAK WORLD 2005" Calendar order now LIMITED QUANTITY !!!!!!!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" Contact George Coy at GESOCO Industries as in the first email. He can ship directly to you........Great calendar and it is great someone is supporting the YAK community. GESOCO Industries % George Coy (802) 868-5633 629 Airport Road Swanton, VT 05488 $20 each plus shipping US Mail ******************************************************************** Mark Schrick -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Reynolds Subject: RE: Yak-List: HOT HOT HOT "Girls of the YAK WORLD 2005" Calendar --> Yak-List message posted by: Gary Reynolds Gday Mark How can we get some of the yak calendars to Australia i know quite a few guys down here interested Gary Reynolds -----Original Message----- From: Mark Schrick [mailto:schrick@pacbell.net] Subject: Yak-List: HOT HOT HOT "Girls of the YAK WORLD 2005" Calendar FOR SALE, ORDER NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" George Co has just released a CHRISTMAS GIFT for all RPA and YAK/CJ lovers out there. "GIRLS OF THE YAK WORLD" 2005 calendar George hired models and used several aircraft to for each month and made a RPA calendar to be proud of "or not". I have seen the pictures and they are racy but not to bad for the hanger or office. Very nicely done and you can not get this anywhere else. It has Yak 50, Yak 52, 52TW, CJ6 and Yak 9 in the pictures. Get the girls to sign the calendar at Sun-n-Fun or while ordering. George is charging his cost of $20 per calendar. This is what you would pay for normal calendar. Give him a call and order several for they are limited. I order my 8 calendars. GESOCO Industries % George Coy (802) 868-5633 629 Airport Road Swanton, VT 05488 $20 each plus shipping US Mail Mark "SHREK" Schrick YAK DRIVER, LLC Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!! REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member 966 Wallace Drive San Jose, Ca 95120-1848 Hm/Fax 408-323-5150 Cell 408-391-6664 Email schrick@pacbell.net Website www.YAKDRIVER.com