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1. 07:40 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/10/04 (Jerry Painter)
2. 12:55 PM - Re: Yak 55 Oil Cooler (Royden Heays)
3. 01:16 PM - Re: Yak-18T in Canada (Royden Heays)
4. 01:22 PM - YAK-18T in Canada. (Mark Jefferies YAK UK)
5. 01:44 PM - HOT HOT HOT girlie calenders (cpayne@joimail.com)
6. 02:27 PM - Re: YAK-18T in Canada. (David Stroud)
7. 03:42 PM - Re: Yak 55 Oil Cooler (Ron Spencer)
8. 07:09 PM - Re: Yak 55 Oil Cooler (Royden Heays)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/10/04 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
Yes, the T-34 wing failure business is a sad story. They're obviously fun,
desirable airplanes, as are Bonanzas, BE-18's etc. Mind you, CJ's and -52's
have their problems, too. Whatever failings the certification process may
have, at least T-34 owners have been well apprised of the airplane's
problems and how to correct them via SB's and AD's. Maybe not what they
wanted to hear, but c'est la vie. Instead of fighting the FAA, it might be
a good idea to do the fix. Wish the same could be said (i.e., SB's and AD
s) of CJ's and -52's (yes, I know) so we could discover the true
airworthiness of our a/c and the proper way to fix them. Rumors, lies and
gossip are no substitute for facts. And sending the a/c back to the factory
for update isn't a viable solution. Had enough of them already...
Of course, the only reason any of us *mere mortals* is able to afford a T-34
T-6, T-28, P-51, Yk-52, CJ etc. etc. etc. is that some government has
subsidized (as in: paid-for) their design and construction and then, failing
to see that they could have any further value or utility, throws them away
after using up their "service life." Unless we can figure a way to get our
*jet-jock* prexy (he's on our our side, right?) to spend some of his new
political or borrowed capital$$$ on a good military/civilian aerobatic
trainer (hey, I'll bet one of those new eensy-weensy little jets would work
great for power!...or you could use sub-$20K 0-SMOH no TBO R-985's) and
market same to us civilians at a reasonable price (of course, it would be
built by non-union labor in a third world country, and maybe throw in a tax
credit/vote swap?), we're stuck with the leftovers. Being as I am from
Boeing-town, the above is obviously confidential information that must not
be shared with anyone connected with Airbus.
BTW, it is perfectly legal to use an experimental aircraft for commercial
purposes here in the good ol' USofA. But, (didn't think we'd get off
scot-free did you?) there is a catch: they are restricted to "type-specific
training purposes and can't be used for run-of-the-mill P/CPL or "aerobatic
training" sorts of stuff. All you need is a waiver, which can be downloaded
from the EAA site. See same for details. Ain't no excuse for not getting
proper training.
Be careful with ownership and use of experimental a/c via "flying clubs" as
opposed to "joint ownership" for anything other than "type conversion"
training. The former may be considered a "business" for tax purposes (like
a health "club"), potentially voiding the waiver. Never mind that glider
clubs" have been using experimental ships (Blanik et al) for decades for
basic training, "rental" etc. with no problems. Insurance companies and the
feds may have other ideas when metal gets bent or someone gets killed. BTDT
(sigh...)
And, Mark, be careful drinking the vodka next time you're in Lithuania ..
Regards,
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-258-4522425-876-0865
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
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From: Yak-List Digest Server
Subject: Yak-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 12/10/04
Time: 12:20:56 AM PST US
From: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Subject: Yak-List: T-34
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Why don't these companies use the YAK 52 that was designed for +7 at max
T/O? How many wings have fallen of a YAK? None as far as I know. OK its
experimental but the experiment has lasted long enough with the T-34 to show
that its wings do fall of every year.
Is there not a way through the regs that would allow Experimental to be used
for commercial gain like in new Zealand?
Strikes me that the T-34 should be used as an A to B a/c and bask in the sun
on arrival.
SECOND AIR ACES PLANE LOST
A Texas air-combat simulation and upset-recovery training center has
temporarily suspended operations after losing a second aircraft in just over
a year to an apparent wing separation. The Texas Air Aces T-34 went down
Tuesday about three miles from where a similar aircraft crashed on Nov. 19,
2003. In both crashes, the two people aboard the aircraft were killed. And
in both tragedies, witnesses reported seeing one of the wings snap off
before the aircraft spiralled into the ground near Lake Conroe.
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| Subject: | Yak 55 Oil Cooler |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
I have a Yak 55M too. In a sense, it does have carb heat - but it is
only ground adjustable. The air horns pick up heat off the cylinders and
stuff the hot air into the back of the carb intake airbox. Install the
horns during periods of high potential for carb ice and remove them when
there low potential. I am told the technical manual says install them
when air temp is less than 10 deg C.
As for why this system - I can only guess that the Yak 55M was aimed at
winning the World Aerobatic Contest so the weight of frills like carb
heat were left off. Who needs it in Russia when the A/C was never used
for cross-country, all practice was over the airfield and there was
plenty of ground crew to do the ground adjustments.
Royden Heays
C-GRED
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Spencer
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 55 Oil Cooler
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
<splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
I have a Yak 55M, and it does not have carb heat. Anybody know
why...just
curious, as the Yak 52 evidently does.
-rs-
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| Subject: | Yak-18T in Canada |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
Hello Richard,
Confirming what Walt has written, I have a Yak 55M registered in Canada
under a Special C of A - Limited. (Last time I checked the Transport
Canada register it was the only one). It is hangared at Langley, BC. At
Langley there is a Yak 18T that was registered in Canada this summer. I
believe the owner is Jim Cool and as far as I know Dave Sproule (Delta
Airpark) did the inspection and some or all of the Transport Canada
paper work. So it can be done.
Regards,
Royden Heays
C-GRED
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walt Lannon
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Hi Richard, Mark, et al
There are approx. 15 CJ's on the Canadian register, at least 2 each Yak
52
& 55. The Experimental category in Canada is reserved for type
certification
test flying.
Ex-military (and some other NON type certificated) aircraft are licensed
with a Special C of A in the Limited Category. Other categories include
Amateur Built, Restricted (Ag aircraft), etc.
The operational difference from US Experimental is that maintenance and
annual inspection is the same as a type certified aircraft and major
mods.
must go through a similar process. Personally I do not consider this a
disadvantage, the upside is there are no operational restrictions of
any
type on the CJ6.
The Yak 18 T could be a problem because it has a type certificate. That
makes it ineligible for the Limited Category. It is possible it could be
operated in Canada under Russian or Hungarian register.
Joe Howse could probably shed more light on this subject than I.
Walt
-- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode"
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>
> We are likely to be selling a Yak-18T four-seater to Canada.
>
>
> Unlike other Yaks (50/52/55 etc) the 18T has full Type-Certification
in
Russia, and also, today, in Hungary. Hungary is part of JAR (the
European
"Joint Airworthiness Regulations"), and as such most European based 18Ts
are
registered in Hungary, which allows them to fly freely in the Normal
Category.
>
>
> Does anyone have experience of the Canadian requirements, and what the
issues are involved in owning and operating an 18T in Canada?
>
>
> Might it be possible for the Canadians to accept the Hungarian
certification? Or, failing that, do they have a "Restricted" or
"Experimental" category which would allow such a plane to fly, but
without
the restrictions being too onerous?
>
>
> Very grateful for any suggestions, ideas or views.
>
>
> Please contact me directly as below.
>
>
> Richard Goode
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Herefordshire
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
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| Subject: | YAK-18T in Canada. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK <mark.j@yakuk.com>
We sold an 18T to Canada this year, from comments on the list it appears we were
the first !!! It was non certified so presumably went onto the experimantal
cert.
YAK UK/ Termikas
seasons greetings.. MJ
.Does anyone have experience of the Canadian requirements, and what the issues
are
involved in owning and operating an 18T in Canada?
Might it be possible for the Canadians to accept the Hungarian certification?
Or, failing that, do they have a "Restricted" or "Experimental" category which
would allow such a plane to fly, but without the restrictions being too onerous?
Very grateful for any suggestions, ideas or views.
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| Subject: | HOT HOT HOT girlie calenders |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
I have the Yak/CJ "Steath Calender" for sale also. Instead
of hiring models I used those elusive "Yak Groupies" we keep
hearing about but never see :)
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: YAK-18T in Canada. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <dstroud@rogers.com>
Not to be picky, but Canada doesn't have an experimental category..it's called
amateur
built and to get into that category one must show evidence of building 51% of the
plane.
It's likely this 18T slid into the newer, owner maintenance category, whereby a
certified
plane can be decertified forever..strictly a one way ticket..and maintained by
the owner himself.
Interestingly, Canada hasd a more common sense approach to Ultralight regs way
back in the
'70's too and regulated the designs based on wing loading rather that a rather
stupid 254 lbs
empty weight rule.
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
F24 C-FDAE in restoration
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Subject: Yak-List: YAK-18T in Canada.
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK <mark.j@yakuk.com>
>
> We sold an 18T to Canada this year, from comments on the list it appears we were
the first !!! It
was non certified so presumably went onto the experimantal cert.
>
> YAK UK/ Termikas
>
> seasons greetings.. MJ
>
>
> .Does anyone have experience of the Canadian requirements, and what the issues
are
> involved in owning and operating an 18T in Canada?
>
>
> Might it be possible for the Canadians to accept the Hungarian certification?
> Or, failing that, do they have a "Restricted" or "Experimental" category which
> would allow such a plane to fly, but without the restrictions being too onerous?
>
>
> Very grateful for any suggestions, ideas or views.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 55 Oil Cooler |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer" <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
Thanks for the info,
I am still waiting on the manuals so am not sure what "air horns are, look
like or how they fit onto the carb...any details would be appreciated!
Do you have any weight and balance data (stations for pilot, fuel, oil and
flight data recorder) by any chance? I am installing a smoke system and
will need this data for correct W&B calcs.
Again, appreciate your input,
-rs-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 55 Oil Cooler
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
>
> I have a Yak 55M too. In a sense, it does have carb heat - but it is
> only ground adjustable. The air horns pick up heat off the cylinders and
> stuff the hot air into the back of the carb intake airbox. Install the
> horns during periods of high potential for carb ice and remove them when
> there low potential. I am told the technical manual says install them
> when air temp is less than 10 deg C.
>
> As for why this system - I can only guess that the Yak 55M was aimed at
> winning the World Aerobatic Contest so the weight of frills like carb
> heat were left off. Who needs it in Russia when the A/C was never used
> for cross-country, all practice was over the airfield and there was
> plenty of ground crew to do the ground adjustments.
>
> Royden Heays
> C-GRED
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Spencer
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 55 Oil Cooler
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
> <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
>
> I have a Yak 55M, and it does not have carb heat. Anybody know
> why...just
> curious, as the Yak 52 evidently does.
>
> -rs-
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Yak 55 Oil Cooler |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
Ron,
Remove the cowlings and take a look at the air intake to the carb. It is
the shape of a truncated pyramid with a temp probe on the side. The two
air horns take hot air from the cylinders above and feed into a small
collector that fits onto the back of the carb air box with a hinge and
piano wire. If no airhorns air are fitted , the back of the carb air box
should be blanked off with a plate and you probably have a small ram air
scoop that feeds air into the air box. The ram air scoop is wedge shaped
and hangs down into the air flow below the line of the cowling. The ram
air scoop should be removed when temps drop below 10 deg C. It is fitted
onto the air box with six 7 mm hex head bolts or screws. As the guys
from the UK said, you can blank off the air intake with a flat Al plate
(using the same six screws) in winter - but the air horns must be fitted
when you do this to ensure air supply from the rear.
Re weight and balance, I have attached a spreadsheet with the weight and
balance parameters used for my Yak 55M. It indicates the lever arms,
etc. However, user beware, it may not apply exactly to your A/C.
Royden Heays
C-GRED
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Spencer
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 55 Oil Cooler
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
<splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
Thanks for the info,
I am still waiting on the manuals so am not sure what "air horns are,
look
like or how they fit onto the carb...any details would be appreciated!
Do you have any weight and balance data (stations for pilot, fuel, oil
and
flight data recorder) by any chance? I am installing a smoke system and
will need this data for correct W&B calcs.
Again, appreciate your input,
-rs-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 55 Oil Cooler
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
>
> I have a Yak 55M too. In a sense, it does have carb heat - but it is
> only ground adjustable. The air horns pick up heat off the cylinders
and
> stuff the hot air into the back of the carb intake airbox. Install the
> horns during periods of high potential for carb ice and remove them
when
> there low potential. I am told the technical manual says install them
> when air temp is less than 10 deg C.
>
> As for why this system - I can only guess that the Yak 55M was aimed
at
> winning the World Aerobatic Contest so the weight of frills like carb
> heat were left off. Who needs it in Russia when the A/C was never used
> for cross-country, all practice was over the airfield and there was
> plenty of ground crew to do the ground adjustments.
>
> Royden Heays
> C-GRED
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Spencer
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 55 Oil Cooler
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
> <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
>
> I have a Yak 55M, and it does not have carb heat. Anybody know
> why...just
> curious, as the Yak 52 evidently does.
>
> -rs-
>
>
>
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