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1. 01:57 AM - women with pilot's licenses (was: HOT HOT HOT girlie calendars) (Brian Lloyd)
2. 04:45 AM - YK 52 purchase offer (Mark Jefferies)
3. 07:22 AM - Re: YK 52 purchase offer (Mark Schrick)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: YK 52 purchase offer (Gus Fraser)
5. 08:14 AM - Re: YK 52 purchase offer (Mark Jefferies)
6. 08:46 AM - Re: Flight Control Cables (Doug Sapp)
7. 09:06 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 12/13/04 (Jerry Painter)
8. 12:41 PM - Waycross FAST Clinic (Shane Golden)
9. 01:02 PM - Re: Waycross FAST Clinic (Ernie Martinez)
10. 01:21 PM - Re: Waycross FAST Clinic (Shane Golden)
11. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Re: cash for Yak (CHAD FELDPOUCH)
12. 03:14 PM - Weights (Ron Spencer)
13. 04:13 PM - Re: YK 52 purchase offer (Frank Haertlein)
14. 04:24 PM - Re: Weights (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 05:33 PM - Groupies... (Janet Davidson)
16. 05:36 PM - Re: Groupies... (Doug Sapp)
17. 05:38 PM - Re: Yak 55 Oil Cooler (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
18. 06:01 PM - Re: Groupies... (Gus Fraser)
19. 06:36 PM - Re: Groupies... (Walt Fricke)
20. 10:28 PM - Re: Weights (Royden Heays)
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| Subject: | women with pilot's licenses (was: HOT HOT HOT girlie calendars) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Dec 14, 2004, at 12:15 AM, E R wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: E R <jogggles@yahoo.com>
>
> WOW!! Are the girls HOT-HOT-HOT enough to have pilot's licenses?
> (Anything LESS is c-c-cold.)
I agree. I taught my ex-wife to fly and now am teaching my girlfriend
to fly. Perception of the joy of flight has become a litmus test for
any woman with whom I consider having a serious relationship.
Oh, and being patient with each other as we go through the process of
learning/teaching says a lot too.
> Elizabeth Rizzo
> (Miss Michigan finalist)
Why did you add that last part?
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | YK 52 purchase offer |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Mark of all people knows how much it costs to overhaul the YAK 50/ 52 having
just had one done by us.
Cost is 32-35,000 EURO plus any extras options like long range fuel etc. I
emphasis its not a paint and paper overhaul as seen by other organisations,
we use the OEM documentation and follow this to a full certification
standard. Every part and system of the a/c.
Hence you note my offered price.
We sell the overhauled a/c at 65,000 euro believing in small margins, my
philosophy is as per the mission statement on my home page.
We make our money by selling hours of labour for the continued support of
the machine.
Seasons greetings.
Ps, my offer stands.
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Ok Ok Ok Ok...........
I'll offer $28.5K and I will pick up it up from where ever it
is located.......I need another couple Yak 52's so please help
me find USA based Yak's.
Nangchangs and CJ's need not to apply.
HaHa........
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
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| Subject: | YK 52 purchase offer |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Mark Jefferies,
I was just having some fun on the Yak list...we want used Yak 52's to be sent
back to Europe for over haul and here is why,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
If people are serious and want to know the truth about the situation on Yak
52's in the Eastern block countries here it is. It is much harder to find Yak
52's PERIOD in any country right now. Most are allowing very few being
released, if at all from any country. Situation is terrible if you wish for an
inexpensive Yak like in the past. When the lower priced Yak 52's here in the
USA (older, need O/H over 10 years old, older cracking hoses, very little
annual done) When older Yaks are sold off, the price will have to be over $85K
to $110K for a good flying example. These are not examples of Yaks brought
into this country and just assembled once they arrive either. Those are the
examples that will be worth less for they have not been updated or fully
checked out by someone at the factory to assure the aircraft is restored
correctly. US mechanics are just starting to learn what it takes to maintain
these aircraft let alone over haul them. (How many engines have been over
hauled over in the USA since they have come into the States? Maybe 2-5 through
Carl Hayes if that. Jill and Carl have taken the time to learn how to perform
the over haul for they see the day when it will now be cheaper to O/H than
purchase O/H engines from Russia. The Yak 52TW will be over $175K by Sun-n-Fun
2005, making it the high cost leader. Yak 50's is now over $85K for good
examples and has topped over $100K mark this year (I know this one
personally).
The over haul facilities in Europe are EXCELLENT and produce the best examples
of our aircraft but the EURO is killing the USA market for these fine examples
of aircraft. Parts have already been going up and I do not see it getting any
better. We are still much cheaper than standard aircraft parts but the "CHEAP"
days of Russian parts and aircraft are over. If you own a Yak and wish to
continue to own one, keep it for it will only be much higher to get one in the
future.
M-14P engines are now selling for $15K used, $18K O/H and $24K NEW from the
factory. Gone are the days of $3500 new I the box. Just like our waistlines,
those days are GONE!!!!!
Termikas does the best job in the world for over hauling aircraft (both USA
type and Russian aircraft) and I have the best example of their workmanship in
my hanger right now. Remember that when Termikas sells a plane for 65,000 EURO
that is $87,750 USD TODAY!!!!!!!!
Something to think about while we have a little fun on the list. This is a new
world while the US dollar is in the tank. Hang on to what you've got or send
them to Termikas for complete over haul restoration for it is not going to get
any cheaper. You will have one of the safest, cleanest warbirds on the market.
My 2 cents worth and that is all its worth....GOOD LUCK OUT THERE and fly
safe.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email <mailto:schrick@pacbell.net> schrick@pacbell.net
Website www.YAKDRIVER.com <http://www.yakdriver.com/>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Mark of all people knows how much it costs to overhaul the YAK 50/ 52 having
just had one done by us.
Cost is 32-35,000 EURO plus any extras options like long range fuel etc. I
emphasis its not a paint and paper overhaul as seen by other organisations,
we use the OEM documentation and follow this to a full certification
standard. Every part and system of the a/c.
Hence you note my offered price.
We sell the overhauled a/c at 65,000 euro believing in small margins, my
philosophy is as per the mission statement on my home page.
We make our money by selling hours of labour for the continued support of
the machine.
Seasons greetings.
Ps, my offer stands.
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| Subject: | YK 52 purchase offer |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
So buy my 96 model 52
:)
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Subject: RE: Yak-List: YK 52 purchase offer
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Mark Jefferies,
I was just having some fun on the Yak list...we want used Yak 52's to be
sent
back to Europe for over haul and here is why,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
If people are serious and want to know the truth about the situation on Yak
52's in the Eastern block countries here it is. It is much harder to find
Yak
52's PERIOD in any country right now. Most are allowing very few being
released, if at all from any country. Situation is terrible if you wish for
an
inexpensive Yak like in the past. When the lower priced Yak 52's here in the
USA (older, need O/H over 10 years old, older cracking hoses, very little
annual done) When older Yaks are sold off, the price will have to be over
$85K
to $110K for a good flying example. These are not examples of Yaks brought
into this country and just assembled once they arrive either. Those are the
examples that will be worth less for they have not been updated or fully
checked out by someone at the factory to assure the aircraft is restored
correctly. US mechanics are just starting to learn what it takes to maintain
these aircraft let alone over haul them. (How many engines have been over
hauled over in the USA since they have come into the States? Maybe 2-5
through
Carl Hayes if that. Jill and Carl have taken the time to learn how to
perform
the over haul for they see the day when it will now be cheaper to O/H than
purchase O/H engines from Russia. The Yak 52TW will be over $175K by
Sun-n-Fun
2005, making it the high cost leader. Yak 50's is now over $85K for good
examples and has topped over $100K mark this year (I know this one
personally).
The over haul facilities in Europe are EXCELLENT and produce the best
examples
of our aircraft but the EURO is killing the USA market for these fine
examples
of aircraft. Parts have already been going up and I do not see it getting
any
better. We are still much cheaper than standard aircraft parts but the
"CHEAP"
days of Russian parts and aircraft are over. If you own a Yak and wish to
continue to own one, keep it for it will only be much higher to get one in
the
future.
M-14P engines are now selling for $15K used, $18K O/H and $24K NEW from the
factory. Gone are the days of $3500 new I the box. Just like our waistlines,
those days are GONE!!!!!
Termikas does the best job in the world for over hauling aircraft (both USA
type and Russian aircraft) and I have the best example of their workmanship
in
my hanger right now. Remember that when Termikas sells a plane for 65,000
EURO
that is $87,750 USD TODAY!!!!!!!!
Something to think about while we have a little fun on the list. This is a
new
world while the US dollar is in the tank. Hang on to what you've got or send
them to Termikas for complete over haul restoration for it is not going to
get
any cheaper. You will have one of the safest, cleanest warbirds on the
market.
My 2 cents worth and that is all its worth....GOOD LUCK OUT THERE and fly
safe.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email <mailto:schrick@pacbell.net> schrick@pacbell.net
Website www.YAKDRIVER.com <http://www.yakdriver.com/>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Mark of all people knows how much it costs to overhaul the YAK 50/ 52 having
just had one done by us.
Cost is 32-35,000 EURO plus any extras options like long range fuel etc. I
emphasis its not a paint and paper overhaul as seen by other organisations,
we use the OEM documentation and follow this to a full certification
standard. Every part and system of the a/c.
Hence you note my offered price.
We sell the overhauled a/c at 65,000 euro believing in small margins, my
philosophy is as per the mission statement on my home page.
We make our money by selling hours of labour for the continued support of
the machine.
Seasons greetings.
Ps, my offer stands.
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| Subject: | YK 52 purchase offer |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
So while the USD value is low let me buy the scrap a/c then by the time they
are all overhauled the USD will be stronger again and you get that benefit.
_____
From: Mark Schrick [mailto:schrick@pacbell.net]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: YK 52 purchase offer
Mark Jefferies,
I was just having some fun on the Yak list...we want used Yak 52's to be
sent back to Europe for over haul and here is why,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
If people are serious and want to know the truth about the situation on Yak
52's in the Eastern block countries here it is. It is much harder to find
Yak 52's PERIOD in any country right now. Most are allowing very few being
released, if at all from any country. Situation is terrible if you wish for
an inexpensive Yak like in the past. When the lower priced Yak 52's here in
the USA (older, need O/H over 10 years old, older cracking hoses, very
little annual done) When older Yaks are sold off, the price will have to be
over $85K to $110K for a good flying example. These are not examples of Yaks
brought into this country and just assembled once they arrive either. Those
are the examples that will be worth less for they have not been updated or
fully checked out by someone at the factory to assure the aircraft is
restored correctly. US mechanics are just starting to learn what it takes to
maintain these aircraft let alone over haul them. (How many engines have
been over hauled over in the USA since they have come into the States? Maybe
2-5 through Carl Hayes if that. Jill and Carl have taken the time to learn
how to perform the over haul for they see the day when it will now be
cheaper to O/H than purchase O/H engines from Russia. The Yak 52TW will be
over $175K by Sun-n-Fun 2005, making it the high cost leader. Yak 50's is
now over $85K for good examples and has topped over $100K mark this year (I
know this one personally).
The over haul facilities in Europe are EXCELLENT and produce the best
examples of our aircraft but the EURO is killing the USA market for these
fine examples of aircraft. Parts have already been going up and I do not see
it getting any better. We are still much cheaper than standard aircraft
parts but the "CHEAP" days of Russian parts and aircraft are over. If you
own a Yak and wish to continue to own one, keep it for it will only be much
higher to get one in the future.
M-14P engines are now selling for $15K used, $18K O/H and $24K NEW from the
factory. Gone are the days of $3500 new I the box. Just like our waistlines,
those days are GONE!!!!!
Termikas does the best job in the world for over hauling aircraft (both USA
type and Russian aircraft) and I have the best example of their workmanship
in my hanger right now. Remember that when Termikas sells a plane for 65,000
EURO that is $87,750 USD TODAY!!!!!!!!
Something to think about while we have a little fun on the list. This is a
new world while the US dollar is in the tank. Hang on to what you've got or
send them to Termikas for complete over haul restoration for it is not going
to get any cheaper. You will have one of the safest, cleanest warbirds on
the market.
My 2 cents worth and that is all its worth....GOOD LUCK OUT THERE and fly
safe.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email <mailto:schrick@pacbell.net> schrick@pacbell.net
Website www.YAKDRIVER.com <http://www.yakdriver.com/>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Mark of all people knows how much it costs to overhaul the YAK 50/ 52 having
just had one done by us.
Cost is 32-35,000 EURO plus any extras options like long range fuel etc. I
emphasis its not a paint and paper overhaul as seen by other organisations,
we use the OEM documentation and follow this to a full certification
standard. Every part and system of the a/c.
Hence you note my offered price.
We sell the overhauled a/c at 65,000 euro believing in small margins, my
philosophy is as per the mission statement on my home page.
We make our money by selling hours of labour for the continued support of
the machine.
Seasons greetings.
Ps, my offer stands.
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| Subject: | Flight Control Cables |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Jay,
Why would you want to mess with making your own? I have factory new rudder
cables in stock and the elev. cables will be here in 30 days.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jay reiter
Subject: Yak-List: Flight Control Cables
--> Yak-List message posted by: "jay reiter" <jmreiter@adelphia.net>
Does anyone have any information on the tooling used to twist the terminals
used on a CJ's flight control cables?
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| Subject: | RE: Yak-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 12/13/04 |
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0.26 UPPERCASE_25_50 message body is 25-50% uppercase
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
This may be old news but...
If you have a metric fitting with a usable metric nut, you can (sometimes)
take a US fitting, remove the US nut and replace it with the metric nut.
Voila! Metric US fitting! With your new hybrid fittings, you can now use
US hose. Of course, the nut has to fit properly on the US fitting--no
sloppy "good enuf" stuff allowed. Yes, both the US and metric fittings have
37 degree flares.
Wild Blue Aviation
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
425-258-4522 425-876-0865
Time: 04:40:09 AM PST US
From: Yak52w@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: Oil cooler lines
--> Yak-List message posted by: Yak52w@aol.com
Does anyone have a good source for the metric fittings and hoses that
connect
the oil cooler lines?
=09
<http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id809&lang9> ">
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| Subject: | Waycross FAST Clinic |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
Everything's ready to go for the AYS FAST clinic in Jan. At present we have
30 Yaks/CJs and 6 L-39's/L29's signed up. Here's the rundown:
-Dates: 13 - 16 Jan 2005
-Location: Waycross, GA KAYS FBO Manager: Jimmy Brown 912-337-9026
-Rental Vans: Three 15 passenger rental vans will be available. You will not
need a rental car.
-Food: Friday night: Capt Joe's Sat Noon: FBO BBQ Sat Night: Cavagnaro's.
All other times will be fast food and TBD.
-Aerobatic Box: The request for an aerobatic practice box has been
submitted and as for as I know we will have the box. Should be 6000' x
2400' SFC to 3500' MSL Adjacent and east of Rwy 18/36
-Photographer: Bill Kirton will be available to take professional grade
pictures both on the ground and in the air Sat. He can be reached at
billkirton@accessatc.net.
-Jet Parking Ramp: There will be a specific area set aside for Jet Parking.
I'll have more info on this later.
-AIR: There will be SCUBA tanks available as well as Scott Air Paks. I have
a hose with the SCUBA and Yak/CJ connections. O2 and N2 will be available
for the jets.
-RPA Merchandise should be available for sale.
-Hotel: Days Inn 912-285-4700
-FAST STUDENTS: Please download and read the FAST manual from the RPA
website prior to arriving at AYS. I will have hardcopy manuals available at
AYS but if you need a hardcopy manual now send me your name and address and
I'll get it on the way. The new version should be out shortly.
FAST Ground School: The FAST Ground School will start at 0800 Friday Jan
14th unless otherwise noted. Thursday will be an arrival/practice day.
(Might get some Check/Recc rides in too)
FAST Ground School/Briefings: The ground school will be held in the
conference room in the FBO, if this becomes too small we have use of the
Fire Station located next to the FBO. The plan is to pull the trucks out
and allow us use of the station for classes and briefings if needed.
-Welcome Kit's: I have the welcome kits ready with registration forms, prop
tags, maps, recc forms, etc. Please see me as soon as you arrive and we'll
get that squared away. The fee for the Clinic is 75.00 for students and
40.00 dollars for anyone not attending the FAST ground school. This covers
rental cars, materials, etc.
-There should be both lead seminar and tactical formation seminars offered.
I'll post the schedules as I get'em.
Jim Goolsby and I will be arriving Wed. afternoon to set up.
If you would drop me an email and let me know your planned arrival time.
Y'all have a Merry Christmas!!!!
Shane Golden
SE RC
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| Subject: | Waycross FAST Clinic |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Shane,
When you say your have the YAK/CJ conectors for air, are you referring
to the stock bayonette adapter?
Have you gotten an idea what Jet-A will be going for.
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Golden
Subject: Yak-List: Waycross FAST Clinic
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
Everything's ready to go for the AYS FAST clinic in Jan. At present we
have
30 Yaks/CJs and 6 L-39's/L29's signed up. Here's the rundown:
-Dates: 13 - 16 Jan 2005
-Location: Waycross, GA KAYS FBO Manager: Jimmy Brown 912-337-9026
-Rental Vans: Three 15 passenger rental vans will be available. You will
not
need a rental car.
-Food: Friday night: Capt Joe's Sat Noon: FBO BBQ Sat Night:
Cavagnaro's.
All other times will be fast food and TBD.
-Aerobatic Box: The request for an aerobatic practice box has been
submitted and as for as I know we will have the box. Should be 6000' x
2400' SFC to 3500' MSL Adjacent and east of Rwy 18/36
-Photographer: Bill Kirton will be available to take professional grade
pictures both on the ground and in the air Sat. He can be reached at
billkirton@accessatc.net.
-Jet Parking Ramp: There will be a specific area set aside for Jet
Parking.
I'll have more info on this later.
-AIR: There will be SCUBA tanks available as well as Scott Air Paks. I
have
a hose with the SCUBA and Yak/CJ connections. O2 and N2 will be
available
for the jets.
-RPA Merchandise should be available for sale.
-Hotel: Days Inn 912-285-4700
-FAST STUDENTS: Please download and read the FAST manual from the RPA
website prior to arriving at AYS. I will have hardcopy manuals
available at
AYS but if you need a hardcopy manual now send me your name and address
and
I'll get it on the way. The new version should be out shortly.
FAST Ground School: The FAST Ground School will start at 0800 Friday Jan
14th unless otherwise noted. Thursday will be an arrival/practice day.
(Might get some Check/Recc rides in too)
FAST Ground School/Briefings: The ground school will be held in the
conference room in the FBO, if this becomes too small we have use of the
Fire Station located next to the FBO. The plan is to pull the trucks
out
and allow us use of the station for classes and briefings if needed.
-Welcome Kit's: I have the welcome kits ready with registration forms,
prop
tags, maps, recc forms, etc. Please see me as soon as you arrive and
we'll
get that squared away. The fee for the Clinic is 75.00 for students and
40.00 dollars for anyone not attending the FAST ground school. This
covers
rental cars, materials, etc.
-There should be both lead seminar and tactical formation seminars
offered.
I'll post the schedules as I get'em.
Jim Goolsby and I will be arriving Wed. afternoon to set up.
If you would drop me an email and let me know your planned arrival time.
Y'all have a Merry Christmas!!!!
Shane Golden
SE RC
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| Subject: | Waycross FAST Clinic |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
I have a hose that mates a SCUBA tank to the standard -52 air fitting. I'm
not sure if this is the same as the CJ. I also have a Scott Air Pak to
schraeder valve hose.
I'm still waiting on a response on the Jet-A. I had to write a letter to
the county council requesting better fuel prices. I'll post as soon as I
get the info.
Shane
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernie Martinez
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Waycross FAST Clinic
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Shane,
When you say your have the YAK/CJ conectors for air, are you referring
to the stock bayonette adapter?
Have you gotten an idea what Jet-A will be going for.
Ernie
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shane Golden
Subject: Yak-List: Waycross FAST Clinic
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
Everything's ready to go for the AYS FAST clinic in Jan. At present we
have
30 Yaks/CJs and 6 L-39's/L29's signed up. Here's the rundown:
-Dates: 13 - 16 Jan 2005
-Location: Waycross, GA KAYS FBO Manager: Jimmy Brown 912-337-9026
-Rental Vans: Three 15 passenger rental vans will be available. You will
not
need a rental car.
-Food: Friday night: Capt Joe's Sat Noon: FBO BBQ Sat Night:
Cavagnaro's.
All other times will be fast food and TBD.
-Aerobatic Box: The request for an aerobatic practice box has been
submitted and as for as I know we will have the box. Should be 6000' x
2400' SFC to 3500' MSL Adjacent and east of Rwy 18/36
-Photographer: Bill Kirton will be available to take professional grade
pictures both on the ground and in the air Sat. He can be reached at
billkirton@accessatc.net.
-Jet Parking Ramp: There will be a specific area set aside for Jet
Parking.
I'll have more info on this later.
-AIR: There will be SCUBA tanks available as well as Scott Air Paks. I
have
a hose with the SCUBA and Yak/CJ connections. O2 and N2 will be
available
for the jets.
-RPA Merchandise should be available for sale.
-Hotel: Days Inn 912-285-4700
-FAST STUDENTS: Please download and read the FAST manual from the RPA
website prior to arriving at AYS. I will have hardcopy manuals
available at
AYS but if you need a hardcopy manual now send me your name and address
and
I'll get it on the way. The new version should be out shortly.
FAST Ground School: The FAST Ground School will start at 0800 Friday Jan
14th unless otherwise noted. Thursday will be an arrival/practice day.
(Might get some Check/Recc rides in too)
FAST Ground School/Briefings: The ground school will be held in the
conference room in the FBO, if this becomes too small we have use of the
Fire Station located next to the FBO. The plan is to pull the trucks
out
and allow us use of the station for classes and briefings if needed.
-Welcome Kit's: I have the welcome kits ready with registration forms,
prop
tags, maps, recc forms, etc. Please see me as soon as you arrive and
we'll
get that squared away. The fee for the Clinic is 75.00 for students and
40.00 dollars for anyone not attending the FAST ground school. This
covers
rental cars, materials, etc.
-There should be both lead seminar and tactical formation seminars
offered.
I'll post the schedules as I get'em.
Jim Goolsby and I will be arriving Wed. afternoon to set up.
If you would drop me an email and let me know your planned arrival time.
Y'all have a Merry Christmas!!!!
Shane Golden
SE RC
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Re: cash for Yak |
--> Yak-List message posted by: CHAD FELDPOUCH <1pouch@sbcglobal.net>
1985 YAK 52 For Sale In Illinois . 1250 Total Time , 850 Since New Engine and
Airframe Overhaul. U.S. Chutes . Russian Radios , King KT 76A / with mode c.
complete original logs . mounted Garmin 55 GPS . Lots of extras . Contact (618)
267-8035 or email to : 1pouch@sbcglobal.net . Delivery available anywhere in
the U.S. for expenses. Delivery available anywhere in the world for a price
.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer" <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
Anyone know how much the old russian generator weighs, compared to a new B&C
generator?
thanks, -rs-
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| Subject: | YK 52 purchase offer |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Mark, Yaksters;
You know, I spent two years rebuilding my 52. Bought it back in 2000 and
prices were rising even then. I can remember when flyable MIG 15's were
$15,000! If I'd have only known and had the money back then.....
Was researching just what kit-built plane to build when I came across
mention of the YAK-52. All things considered, it came up the winner in
which plane to build or restore. I figured six months to get a flyable
airplane (yeah, Right!). My 52 came straight out of a Russian DOSSAF
flight school and still carries the original tail number "01". It must
have been one of the last ones they let out of the country before they
stopped exporting them.
The YAK was just as it came from Russia (it had never flown in the US)
so it needed a bit of work to get it into flying condition. The plane
came with the original logs and, frankly, I was impressed with their
record keeping. Other than US military airplanes, I've never seen what
looked like a more complete set of log books for the engine and
airframe. The impression was..."Geeze, the Russians got their $hit
together when it comes to keeping records"!
Frankly, the low airframe and engine times that were published with the
"FOR SALE" adds with these airplanes seemed like a load of bullshi*, but
after seeing the original Russian log books I think no one could have
made them up. Take a look at the log books for my YAK and see for
yourself! Anyone with a super critical eye towards the slightest detail
in the log books will see that that bears out.
There was little information to draw upon back then. I fully expected to
have to replace or rebuild the engine and numerous systems. I figured
the published numbers on airframe and engine times were bull$hit so
expected to do allot or work towards getting a flyable airplane. Working
in R&D and aerospace my entire career I don't care too much what someone
does to try and pull the wool over my eyes because I'm likely to spot
it. I don't broker too much bull$hit and say it like it is (much to the
consternation of some pansies on this list).
Been flying the 52 for almost two years now. I consider it way beyond
the typical fare you get with most Kansas built airplanes. Bottom line
is if you tried to build a 52 today, with US labor, using the same
construction techniques employed by the Russians (Romanians), most
couldn't afford to buy the 52. It would cost you 500 grand and that's
not too much of a stretch!
Take a look at the piece of junk T-34 and what it costs used, for cryin'
out loud! It's not built anywhere near as robust as a 52. If you're
going to yank and bank what would you rather be in? A 52 or a T-34?
The 52 was built in a state run economy where cost was no object and it
shows in the construction of the 52! And, yes, I'm knocking the FAA,
they should have grounded T-34's a long time ago instead of giving in to
the pressures of T-34 owners too cheap to make their airplanes safe.
There are still allot of people who don't know about the 52. I see it
all the time when small crowds gather around after landing in the back
40 and asking all kinds of questions. My guess is that as more people
learn about the 52 they will come to see it is the best "bang for your
buck" airplane in America today!
Give it some time, people aren't stupid, they'll see for themselves the
value in a 52. Don't forget, there's only around 200 or so 52's in the
US right now and they're still relatively unknown by many pilots. Prices
can't help but to go up.
As a side note, I still don't understand the appeal of that rice burnin'
CJ What's wrong with those people? :)
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Subject: RE: Yak-List: YK 52 purchase offer
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Mark Jefferies,
I was just having some fun on the Yak list...we want used Yak 52's to be
sent back to Europe for over haul and here is why,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
If people are serious and want to know the truth about the situation on
Yak 52's in the Eastern block countries here it is. It is much harder to
find Yak 52's PERIOD in any country right now. Most are allowing very
few being released, if at all from any country. Situation is terrible if
you wish for an inexpensive Yak like in the past. When the lower priced
Yak 52's here in the USA (older, need O/H over 10 years old, older
cracking hoses, very little annual done) When older Yaks are sold off,
the price will have to be over $85K to $110K for a good flying example.
These are not examples of Yaks brought into this country and just
assembled once they arrive either. Those are the examples that will be
worth less for they have not been updated or fully checked out by
someone at the factory to assure the aircraft is restored correctly. US
mechanics are just starting to learn what it takes to maintain these
aircraft let alone over haul them. (How many engines have been over
hauled over in the USA since they have come into the States? Maybe 2-5
through Carl Hayes if that. Jill and Carl have taken the time to learn
how to perform the over haul for they see the day when it will now be
cheaper to O/H than purchase O/H engines from Russia. The Yak 52TW will
be over $175K by Sun-n-Fun 2005, making it the high cost leader. Yak
50's is now over $85K for good examples and has topped over $100K mark
this year (I know this one personally).
The over haul facilities in Europe are EXCELLENT and produce the best
examples of our aircraft but the EURO is killing the USA market for
these fine examples of aircraft. Parts have already been going up and I
do not see it getting any better. We are still much cheaper than
standard aircraft parts but the "CHEAP" days of Russian parts and
aircraft are over. If you own a Yak and wish to continue to own one,
keep it for it will only be much higher to get one in the future.
M-14P engines are now selling for $15K used, $18K O/H and $24K NEW from
the factory. Gone are the days of $3500 new I the box. Just like our
waistlines, those days are GONE!!!!!
Termikas does the best job in the world for over hauling aircraft (both
USA type and Russian aircraft) and I have the best example of their
workmanship in my hanger right now. Remember that when Termikas sells a
plane for 65,000 EURO that is $87,750 USD TODAY!!!!!!!!
Something to think about while we have a little fun on the list. This is
a new world while the US dollar is in the tank. Hang on to what you've
got or send them to Termikas for complete over haul restoration for it
is not going to get any cheaper. You will have one of the safest,
cleanest warbirds on the market.
My 2 cents worth and that is all its worth....GOOD LUCK OUT THERE and
fly safe.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email <mailto:schrick@pacbell.net> schrick@pacbell.net
Website www.YAKDRIVER.com <http://www.yakdriver.com/>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Mark of all people knows how much it costs to overhaul the YAK 50/ 52
having
just had one done by us.
Cost is 32-35,000 EURO plus any extras options like long range fuel etc.
I
emphasis its not a paint and paper overhaul as seen by other
organisations,
we use the OEM documentation and follow this to a full certification
standard. Every part and system of the a/c.
Hence you note my offered price.
We sell the overhauled a/c at 65,000 euro believing in small margins, my
philosophy is as per the mission statement on my home page.
We make our money by selling hours of labour for the continued support
of
the machine.
Seasons greetings.
Ps, my offer stands.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
The Russian generator is somewhere around 35 lbs.
Dennis
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From: "Ron Spencer" <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Weights
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
<splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
>
> Anyone know how much the old russian generator weighs, compared to a new
B&C
> generator?
>
> thanks, -rs-
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet Davidson" <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
" ... those elusive "Yak Groupies" we keep
hearing about but never see :)
Craig Payne"
I dunno Craig, must be something to do with your aftershave - I have to
fight the male groupies off my plane with a mucky stick ;)
Janet
Ph: 920 232 9238
email: gbvfx@hotmail.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
I'm almost afraid to ask, but what the heck is a mucky stick?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Janet Davidson
Subject: Yak-List: Groupies...
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet Davidson" <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
" ... those elusive "Yak Groupies" we keep
hearing about but never see :)
Craig Payne"
I dunno Craig, must be something to do with your aftershave - I have to
fight the male groupies off my plane with a mucky stick ;)
Janet
Ph: 920 232 9238
email: gbvfx@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Yak 55 Oil Cooler |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Doug and Brian, I respect your opinion(s) a lot, and I am sure you both know
that. Your analysis of problems/solutions and how things work are always
worth reading.
But.....
I respect the Russian Design Engineers even more.
These (temp. controlled) by-pass valves have been in use for a very long
time, and continue to be used on a large variety of Russian aircraft and
helicopters. There has never been a problem like you describe that I have
been made aware of, and I have talked to more than a few of the Russian
premier pilots and mechanics. As you know, it gets rather cold over there.
(Understatement of the century)
From my own personal experience, these valve do not open like a camera
shutter. They open slowly.
I have started my M-14 when the outside air temp. was minus 10 degrees. The
engine oil was pre-heated. The engine itself was not. I did not have any
kind of problem. Of course, if I had had the capability at the time, I
would have preheated the whole engine!
I use 25-60W oil.
The only thing that I have EVER noticed since the (Re)installation of this
temp. controlled valve is that if the engine RPM is lowered to very low RPM
settings (say around 60% or lower), the engine oil temp actually ends up
RISING just a tad little bit in the dead of winter. Otherwise, at RPM's in
the 70% or higher range, the oil temp rises quickly after start, then ever
so slowly drops a little just as the engine reaches the first quarter of the
green range, and then rises back up and stabilizes and stays there...
perfectly still... throughout the whole flight.... summer or winter. In the
summer, if I climb at VERY high power settings, and get the cyl. head temp
really UP there near the red, the oil temp will also then start climbing
towards the red. No issues with oil pressure ever... except with the oil
itself dead cold.. and I only started an M-14 once like that, and never will
again!
I have stopped "winterizing" the oil cooler (meaning "taping part of it
off") and have experienced NO problem what-so-ever for two years of
operating now.
Helicopters still use this by-pass valve.
Thanks for the input, but I respectfully disagree with your analysis and the
engine oil pressure and oil cooler both have run for 250 hours now in this
configuration perfectly.
This does not mean that I disagree with the premise that a Pressure BY-PASS
valve versus an oil temp control BY-PASS valve has it's merits.
This means that I disagree with any statement that implies that the original
Russian Oil Cooler does anything other than operate perfectly with the
original Russian Oil Temp operated By-Pass Valve without documented evidence
otherwise.
My whole Dollars worth, [smile]
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Sapp [mailto:rvfltd@televar.com]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 55 Oil Cooler
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
My 5 cents worth:
If the temp by pass operates the way I think it does there is a possibility
(on a cold day) for the valve to bypass the cooler for long enough time for
the oil to congeal in the cooler, then the engine oil temp increases and the
valve opens, forcing hot oil into the cooler and a wad of the congealed oil
into the line, the pressure builds in the oil cooler and if the oil is thick
enough, the oil cooler pops like a overripe tomato.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 55 Oil Cooler
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Dec 8, 2004, at 3:50 PM, Bitterlich GS11 Mark G wrote:
> Before anyone comments that I am taking a risk because of the loss of
> the
> cooler by-pass capability... yes, I am well aware of that. I watch oil
> pressure like a hawk, change oil every 20 hours, help clean the engine
> with
> MMO, and will remove and have the cooler rebuilt at the slightest hint
> of a
> problem. The upside is that my oil temp is now COMPLETELY stable and
> operates at the optimum temp. To me, this gain is worth the possible
> down
> side, and it the capability is worth at least mentioning to those that
> might
> not know about it.
My only concern would be for the oil to cool too much and congeal in
the cooler. At that point you would end up with a high oil temp
problem even in the middle of winter. (Actually, the middle of winter
would be when the problem would happen.) You still want to make sure
you do your winterization to reduce cooling air flow through the oil
cooler in winter. Multi-vis oil with a low temp pour-point below
ambient temps will help too.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Ah Janet,
Somehow I knew you were away from your email for a few days when Craig
posted that one :)
Gus
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Janet Davidson
Subject: Yak-List: Groupies...
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet Davidson" <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
" ... those elusive "Yak Groupies" we keep
hearing about but never see :)
Craig Payne"
I dunno Craig, must be something to do with your aftershave - I have to
fight the male groupies off my plane with a mucky stick ;)
Janet
Ph: 920 232 9238
email: gbvfx@hotmail.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
And I was going to ask...."Janet, what kind of aftershave do you use?"
Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp"
I'm almost afraid to ask, but what the heck is a mucky stick?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Janet Davidson
Subject: Yak-List: Groupies...
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet Davidson"
" ... those elusive "Yak Groupies" we keep
hearing about but never see :)
Craig Payne"
I dunno Craig, must be something to do with your aftershave - I have to
fight the male groupies off my plane with a mucky stick ;)
Janet
Ph: 920 232 9238
email: gbvfx@hotmail.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
Ron,
The weight of the generator is precisely indicated in kg in the manuals.
My manuals are at the hangar, so cannot say here, now. I can check in
the weekend.
Royden
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Spencer
Subject: Yak-List: Weights
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
<splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
Anyone know how much the old russian generator weighs, compared to a new
B&C
generator?
thanks, -rs-
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