---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/22/04: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:28 AM - very good prop (Mark Jefferies) 2. 12:34 AM - Y55 parts (Mark Jefferies) 3. 05:39 AM - Yak 50 Main gear actuator seals (Tom Johnson) 4. 07:24 AM - Looking for a few good pictures (Jeff Linebaugh) 5. 08:14 AM - Re: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? (Ron Davis) 6. 08:15 AM - Re: Yak 55 Hen's Teeth. (AirshowPilot1@aol.com) 7. 08:20 AM - Re: Yak 50 Main gear actuator seals (Doug Sapp) 8. 08:21 AM - Re: Y55 parts (Ben Marsh) 9. 08:32 AM - Re: T-34 (Ron Davis) 10. 08:36 AM - Re: T-34 (Ron Davis) 11. 08:50 AM - Re: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? (David Stroud) 12. 08:55 AM - Re: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? (Daniel Fortin) 13. 09:37 AM - Re: Re:Groupies (Ron Davis) 14. 09:38 AM - CJ rental (Doug Sapp) 15. 09:50 AM - Yak 18T in Canada (Richard Goode) 16. 09:53 AM - Re: 12V alternatives (Ron Davis) 17. 10:33 AM - Re: Lead substitute for Autogas? (Ron Davis) 18. 10:44 AM - Re: Lead substitute for Autogas? (Ron Davis) 19. 10:48 AM - Re: PAINT STRIPPING A CJ (Ron Davis) 20. 10:48 AM - Re: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? (Walt Lannon) 21. 10:50 AM - Re: PAINT STRIPPING A CJ (Ron Davis) 22. 11:20 AM - Re: Looking for a few good pictures (Stephen Fox) 23. 11:47 AM - Re: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? (Ron Davis) 24. 05:13 PM - Re: T-34 (Jay Land) 25. 08:58 PM - Re: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? (Walt Lannon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:22 AM PST US From: "Mark Jefferies" Subject: Yak-List: very good prop --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" I can concur with Scott, these whirlwind leading edges are exceptionally good, this type of prop was fitted to the Y52 I just flew back to UK from Lithuania, this was an Ex, USA a/c we overhauled. We sell V530 prop blades, fully overhauled, they come with a hub free of charge, fully balanced and ready to go. http://www.yakuk.com/img/ohprops.jpg and http://www.yakuk.com/img/prp-part.jpg Cheers, MJ If your blades are still in one piece, you might want to try Whirlwind Propellers, their website claims they can rebuild them. See: http://www.whirlwindpropellers.com/html/aviation/aviation_vperod-m14p_series .shtml Scott ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:05 AM PST US From: "Mark Jefferies" Subject: Yak-List: Y55 parts --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" Ben, the Y54 has different u/c, sorry to say its not going to widen your market!! http://www.yakuk.com/img/red54.jpg Its a steel bar then fairings attached, the Y55 is a flat titanium spring. Talking of Yak 54 does anyone have one for sale, Russians just cant get the act together and supply in a timely fashion. Cheers, MJ --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Ben Marsh" Greetings, Salutations, Hello! This is a message for a special group of folks with broken Yak 55s from a guy with a broken Yak 55. There are only a few of us. In the context of this discussion, the term "broken" refers to those unfortunate enough to have a '55 with the landing gear ripped out of the fuselage. This is broken, no? A month or so ago, I acquired a '55M that suffered an engine failure, coming to grief in a field where substantial damage was done to the front end of the fuselage, when the landing gear struts were torn out. The damage to my wreck includes the firewall, the gear box, the lower stringers, several formers and a couple other machined trinkets that provide structural integrity to the landing gear assembly. It was a bad day at the ranch. To make matters worse, these parts are not available for sale. This is why my wreck sat in a hanger for ten years before I got the bright idea to stand up and restore it. I am taking up the challenge of having these key parts C & C machined. If this sounds expensive, that's because it is expensive! However, doing so is the only way my airplane will fly again. The truth of the matter is that I am not the only 55 guy in the world with this problem. As well, without these parts, 55s and perhaps 54s that suffer the aforementioned "bad day at the ranch" are just about worthless junk. For those of us that would like to breath life back into an otherwise good airplane, I am here to help. Within six weeks, I will be able to supply most of the key machined parts that will be damaged in such a crash, certainly in the model 55 and perhaps in the '54. Thus, if any of you good people know of anyone else that might have a need for these parts, please let me know. My intent is not to soak anyone. Indeed, I would be happy to simply reduce my R & D costs. And, if a couple more 55s come back to like, that would be an outstanding result! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:21 AM PST US From: "Tom Johnson" Subject: Yak-List: Yak 50 Main gear actuator seals --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" Any 50 drivers might have recently bought Yak50 Main Gear Actuator Seals? They may be same as 52 nose actuator seals. If anybody has a set on their parts shelf, I'm in need. Rebuilding actuators for the New Year. Tj ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:35 AM PST US From: "Jeff Linebaugh" Subject: Yak-List: Looking for a few good pictures --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" Yakers... I am in the process of finalizing the update to the RPA FAST Manual. I need a few good pictures....could you help me out? In particular I need: 1) YAK 52 and CJ Fingertip formation references picture. (A picture taken from the wing position that shows the fingertip references on the lead aircraft.) 2) Yak 52 or CJ Formation Takeoff reference picture. (A picture taken from the wing position that shows the wing takeoff references on the lead aircraft while holding in position on the runway. I need the front edge of the wingtip halfway back on the cowl.) 3) Echelon turn references picture. My mailbox is only so big so please don't dump mass quantities of 1MB pics on me... Thanks in advance for your help. Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net CJ-6P N621CJ Memphis, TN ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:11 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" What category are homebuilts in if "experimental" is only for OEM? Would you elaborate on what you think makes Canadian compliance easier? Having all maintenace done by a repair station (or Canadian equivalent thereof) seems like a huge disadvantage, both in cost and difficulty of finding which is willing, let alone competent, to do the work. I have heard through the grapevine that all parts for ex-military (jets at least) in Canada had to be inspected with yellow tags for used, or export certificates for new parts. Not that those are too hard to come up with for new parts, but finding a repair station to yellow tag old parts would be a big problem in the US. In the US you can do the work yourself, or have any A&P do it, and use any new, old, or homemade part that the installer considers safe for flight. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:02 AM PST US From: AirshowPilot1@aol.com Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 55 Hen's Teeth. --> Yak-List message posted by: AirshowPilot1@aol.com Generator, air pump, various lines and hoses, gaskets, pieces parts for the engine and airframe. Several standby air bottles and fitting systems for a variety of air applications, supporting equipment etc. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:12 AM PST US From: "Doug Sapp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak 50 Main gear actuator seals --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" Tom, I have a bunch of seals and 0 rings that came in without part numbers. Send me your seals and I'll match them to what I have in my "whatzit?" box. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Johnson Subject: Yak-List: Yak 50 Main gear actuator seals --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" Any 50 drivers might have recently bought Yak50 Main Gear Actuator Seals? They may be same as 52 nose actuator seals. If anybody has a set on their parts shelf, I'm in need. Rebuilding actuators for the New Year. Tj ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:46 AM PST US From: "Ben Marsh" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Y55 parts --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ben Marsh" Hi Mark, I understand what you are saying about the '54 gear legs differing for the '55's. The parts I'm having machined for my '55 are the two pieces that are riveted to the fuselage into which the gear legs are fitted. As you can imagine, when the Yak hits the field, the gear legs put quite a strain on the gear box immediately transferring that load to the sheet metal and strings to which they are attached. How does one spell, "Pop goes the weasel?" Please pardon my ignorance about the '54, to your knowledge do the gear box fixtures into which the gear legs go differ between the '55 and the '54? As well, do you know of any other unfortunates, like me, with this engaging restoration "opportunity?" I hope to commiserate with others of my ilk. All the best and Happy Holidays! Regards, Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Jefferies Subject: Yak-List: Y55 parts --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" Ben, the Y54 has different u/c, sorry to say its not going to widen your market!! http://www.yakuk.com/img/red54.jpg Its a steel bar then fairings attached, the Y55 is a flat titanium spring. Talking of Yak 54 does anyone have one for sale, Russians just cant get the act together and supply in a timely fashion. Cheers, MJ --> Aerobatic-List message posted by: "Ben Marsh" Greetings, Salutations, Hello! This is a message for a special group of folks with broken Yak 55s from a guy with a broken Yak 55. There are only a few of us. In the context of this discussion, the term "broken" refers to those unfortunate enough to have a '55 with the landing gear ripped out of the fuselage. This is broken, no? A month or so ago, I acquired a '55M that suffered an engine failure, coming to grief in a field where substantial damage was done to the front end of the fuselage, when the landing gear struts were torn out. The damage to my wreck includes the firewall, the gear box, the lower stringers, several formers and a couple other machined trinkets that provide structural integrity to the landing gear assembly. It was a bad day at the ranch. To make matters worse, these parts are not available for sale. This is why my wreck sat in a hanger for ten years before I got the bright idea to stand up and restore it. I am taking up the challenge of having these key parts C & C machined. If this sounds expensive, that's because it is expensive! However, doing so is the only way my airplane will fly again. The truth of the matter is that I am not the only 55 guy in the world with this problem. As well, without these parts, 55s and perhaps 54s that suffer the aforementioned "bad day at the ranch" are just about worthless junk. For those of us that would like to breath life back into an otherwise good airplane, I am here to help. Within six weeks, I will be able to supply most of the key machined parts that will be damaged in such a crash, certainly in the model 55 and perhaps in the '54. Thus, if any of you good people know of anyone else that might have a need for these parts, please let me know. My intent is not to soak anyone. Indeed, I would be happy to simply reduce my R & D costs. And, if a couple more 55s come back to like, that would be an outstanding result! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:15 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" >Would it be illegal to charge higher rates for just the ground school >portion of upset training and then throw in the actual flying for free? >Wouldn't that allow you to use the 52 for this type of training? Yes. It doesn't pass the smell test. Can you get customers by advertising $1000 upset training ground school, or do you have to tell the potential customers that the price includes flying in an experimental? Would you be likely to get caught by the FAA? I don't think so, because sleeping bureaucrats like to sleep. They are cranky when awakened though and they tend to have a cause du jour (free breakfast for private pilot fly-in participants, for example). Leasing the plane to the student has been tried also. IMHO, you will never come up with a way to do it that the feds will approve in writing. If they don't approve it in writing, you are subject to their whims of prosecution. There are/have been some exceptions for training in experimentals. Advertising rides to the general public, like the combat fantasy flights do, isn't likely to convince an unbiased jurist that you are meeting the conditions of the exemption though. You could also ask your insurance company if they approve. Hahahahahaha ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:12 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" >You are right Ron, Beech isn't a complete failure...just look at the >Starship... :-) There is no evidence that the Starship was a failure. Or at least there won't be when the steamroller gets done in Pinal Air Park. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:59 AM PST US From: "David Stroud" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? --> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" This link might be helpful: http://www.tc.gc.ca/OntarioRegion/civilaviation/manufacturing/recav/owner.htm David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada Christavia C-FDWS F24 C-FDAE in restoration ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > > What category are homebuilts in if "experimental" is only for OEM? > > Would you elaborate on what you think makes Canadian compliance easier? > Having all maintenace done by a repair station (or Canadian equivalent > thereof) seems like a huge disadvantage, both in cost and difficulty of > finding which is willing, let alone competent, to do the work. I have heard > through the grapevine that all parts for ex-military (jets at least) in > Canada had to be inspected with yellow tags for used, or export certificates > for new parts. Not that those are too hard to come up with for new parts, > but finding a repair station to yellow tag old parts would be a big problem > in the US. > > In the US you can do the work yourself, or have any A&P do it, and use any > new, old, or homemade part that the installer considers safe for flight. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:10 AM PST US From: "Daniel Fortin" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" Ron, In Canada, homebuilt fall under the "homebuilt" category. They are issued a "CofA Limited for homebuilt" airplanes. At the end of the day, it is quite the same as a US homebuilt just called differently under the regs. Finding a competent AMO (approved maintenance organization) for CJ's and Yaks can prove quite a challenge. Their is one good one on the west coast (Victoria Air Maintenance) that has been importing CJ since the early 90s. But here out east, one must rely on a good mechanics, the technical knowledge of a multitude of friends (Pappy, Craig Payne, George Coy and my personal savior Doug Sapp only to name a few) and the wealth of information on this list. The biggest advantage of a Canadian registered airplane is the lack of limitations. The airplanes, being "non-experimental", are free to roam the country side. They are actually approved for recreational uses vs proficiency uses. To each his own I guess, but being mechanically challenge my self, I prefer the "no hassle" from the feds. Sorry, don't know much about yellow and red tags. Dan >From: "Ron Davis" >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? >Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:13:15 -0700 > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > >What category are homebuilts in if "experimental" is only for OEM? > >Would you elaborate on what you think makes Canadian compliance easier? >Having all maintenace done by a repair station (or Canadian equivalent >thereof) seems like a huge disadvantage, both in cost and difficulty of >finding which is willing, let alone competent, to do the work. I have >heard >through the grapevine that all parts for ex-military (jets at least) in >Canada had to be inspected with yellow tags for used, or export >certificates >for new parts. Not that those are too hard to come up with for new parts, >but finding a repair station to yellow tag old parts would be a big problem >in the US. > >In the US you can do the work yourself, or have any A&P do it, and use any >new, old, or homemade part that the installer considers safe for flight. > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:18 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re:Groupies --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" >On a more serious note, the INS has seen fit to issue me with all my >employment authorization papers at long last, so if anyone know of a >corporate flight department within about a 70 mile radius of Oshkosh that is >looking for a pilot, please let me know. As soon as I can get a regular >income I can repaint the Nanchang :) > >Thank you, > >Janet There isn't any INS anymore. This sort of matter is now handled by ICE or BCIS. Exactly which is classified to keep the freedom-hating young raghead males from determining how the system works. The procedure: You must now send those papers back where they came from and apply to the proper office. Where they came from doesn't exist anymore, so this is a bit of a problem- but it is your problem, not ICEs and certainly not BCISs. Ron P.S. I'm kidding (I think) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:05 AM PST US From: "Doug Sapp" Subject: Yak-List: CJ rental --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" First the disclaimer: I am not a lawyer or FAA pundit, I don't even play one on the list. Food for thought: The first CJ brought into the US was imported by a fellow from Hong Kong, named Neville McKay. It was based in Buckeye AZ at Silver West Aviation along with some Cessna trainers he owned. There was, I was told (you might double check this) a corporation formed and a shares issued. If you wanted to fly the aircraft a documented (in the corporate books) corporate meeting was held and you bought into the corporation and were issued the (probably non voting) stock. This legally made you a part owner of the aircraft. I was told that the FAA challenged this set up but finally went away saying "err, a, ... well OK, but were watching you". Before you try to "reinvent the wheel" yourself you might enquire at Silver West, heck the corporation might still be in force or even be for sale. I am sure that if this is in fact true there are many caveats, so check it out carefully, it may just be a "CJ urban legend" but it sounds plausible to me but then again I am not a lawyer. When Neville sold all of his aircraft that he had here in the US, I ended up with this CJ (it was my first), it is still alive and well and is owned by Mr. Dan Feil of Wenatchee WA. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Davis Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" >Would it be illegal to charge higher rates for just the ground school >portion of upset training and then throw in the actual flying for free? >Wouldn't that allow you to use the 52 for this type of training? Yes. It doesn't pass the smell test. Can you get customers by advertising $1000 upset training ground school, or do you have to tell the potential customers that the price includes flying in an experimental? Would you be likely to get caught by the FAA? I don't think so, because sleeping bureaucrats like to sleep. They are cranky when awakened though and they tend to have a cause du jour (free breakfast for private pilot fly-in participants, for example). Leasing the plane to the student has been tried also. IMHO, you will never come up with a way to do it that the feds will approve in writing. If they don't approve it in writing, you are subject to their whims of prosecution. There are/have been some exceptions for training in experimentals. Advertising rides to the general public, like the combat fantasy flights do, isn't likely to convince an unbiased jurist that you are meeting the conditions of the exemption though. You could also ask your insurance company if they approve. Hahahahahaha ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:21 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: Yak 18T in Canada --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" Firstly, I would like to thank the many people who wrote to me with advice and help on this topic. It is also very refreshing to see how helpful Transport Canada are, compared to many of the European equivalents. I suspect few people in North America recognise how lucky you are with the extraordinary lack of controls from the FAA/Transport Canada you have compared to us. Some examples: =D8 Our CAA made the arbitrary decision that a Yak-52 built before the end of 1992 is "ex-military" and therefore we can fly it on a restricted basis. However, the same aeroplane built by the same people a day later at the beginning of 1993 is considered to be a modern civil aircraft, which is not allowed to be flown in the UK! =D8 We can fly an Su-26 on the basis that it is ex-military. However, there is no ability to fly an Su-31 in the UK. =D8 Similarly, for an Su-29, although there we have a loophole that it is Type-Certificated in Hungary, but that means having to take it to and from Hungary every year for the annual. =D8 Yak-18T - we might be able to get permission to be able to fly it here, but with two people; VFR only and with other restrictions. Fortunately however, it has a Hungarian T-C, so again, we have to register them there. There are many other examples! Consider yourselves very lucky! Richard Goode Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:05 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: 12V alternatives --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" I have 12 amp Astron 24 to 12 converters availablefor sale. No, I don't consider myself a hypocrite. I'll sell you a fuel line magnet to "polarize your fuel" and "dramatically increase your horsepower" if you want. If you ask for my opinion on whether it does any good, I'll tell you. If you've already decided and you want one, I'll sell it to you. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:10 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Lead substitute for Autogas? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" >I'm all for MMO in the oil, but 'splain to me again how even a whole quart :>-) of that in 20 gallons of gas is doing something?? > >Jon Jon Gasoline is a good solvent, but there are things it won't dissolve. These things (commonly refered to as "gum" and "varnish") tend to collect on small parts and in crevices. Carburetors lots of crevices and little parts and are very subject to gumming up. Marvel Mystery Oil will dissolve many things that gasoline won't. Even a small amount of it will clean the little parts and prevent them from gumming up. It is useful in any engine, and especially useful when the engine will be stored for an extended time. Put it in the gas on the last tank you BURN before placing the engine in storage. Stoddard Solvent will also dissolve some things that gasoline won't and it also is good for the carburetor. Alternating it with MMO in the gas is even better. You can buy Stoddard Solvent as a 10% solution in Chevron Techron for $5 a quart or you can get it full strength as engine cleaning solvent for $3 a gallon. There is no problem mixing them. Pappy: I'll analyze the CD-2 lead substitute and post the results. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:11 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Lead substitute for Autogas? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" Jon, P.S. Good aerosol or dip-type carburetor cleaner is xylene. It is very good at removing "gum" and "varnish" from carbs when they are removed from the plane. Don't use this as a fuel additive because it is very bad for rubber and plastic. It is also bad for you when absorbed through the skin or inhaled. The cheaper or "safer" carb cleaners are alcohol of various types and don't work well. I suggest using xylene if your carb needs cleaning off the plane (and using MMO so it won't need cleaning off the plane). I suppose every snake oil has it devotees. IMHO, none of them, except MMO, actually do any good. Try it yourself on an engine that someone has suggested needs a carb overhaul. If the carb has broken parts inside the MMO won't do any good. If it's just gummed up, you will be impressed. I logically conclude that if it can remove deposits then it can also prevent them. I take it that you're alread convinced MMO will remove (and prevent) sludge in low flow areas of the engine oil. DISCLAIMER: I don't sell MMO, own stock in the company, or know anyone who does. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:04 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: PAINT STRIPPING A CJ --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" Stripping with dry ice works great, but it's expensive. Liquid CO2 is flashed to pellets which are then fired through a more-or-less normal sandblasting nozzle. There is no residue except the paint, rust, etc. I've never heard of it being used outside the eco-nazi states. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:11 AM PST US From: "Walt Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" Hi Ron; Not sure who your question was addressed to but I will toss in my 2 cents worth. I don't think compliance is any easier in Canada in fact it can be much more difficult if the aircraft does not "conform to the standards of the type". The aircraft must be essentially stock for licensing. I'll try to clear up some of the misconceptions re licensing standards. 1. Any Non Type Certified aircraft (homebuilt or whatever) may be licensed in Canada with a Special Certificate of Airworthiness if it meets the requirements of the particular category under which it falls. 2. There are 5 categories of Special C of A. Homebuilts, ultralights, etc., come under various provisions of the Amatuer Built Category. CJ's, Fouga's, Yak 52's, T28's, etc. are in the Limited Category. 3. The Limited Category was originally intended for ex-military only but was recently extended to include other non-certified types, e.g. Yak 52 & 55, Sukhoi 26 etc., which were not considered clearly ex-mi;itary. Once the Special C of A is issued most of the aircraft can be operated anywhere in Canada with no restrictions whatever. However, T.C. has the authority to issue any number of operational restrictions based on aircraft type, size, power, mission profile, etc. Annual inspection and certification does NOT necessarily have to be done by an Approved Maintenance Organization or AMO (equiv. to US Repair Station). That is true for jet or transport type aircraft not for CJ's etc. They are certified by an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (AME) (equiv. to an AP/IA). Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > > What category are homebuilts in if "experimental" is only for OEM? > > Would you elaborate on what you think makes Canadian compliance easier? > Having all maintenace done by a repair station (or Canadian equivalent > thereof) seems like a huge disadvantage, both in cost and difficulty of > finding which is willing, let alone competent, to do the work. I have heard > through the grapevine that all parts for ex-military (jets at least) in > Canada had to be inspected with yellow tags for used, or export certificates > for new parts. Not that those are too hard to come up with for new parts, > but finding a repair station to yellow tag old parts would be a big problem > in the US. > > In the US you can do the work yourself, or have any A&P do it, and use any > new, old, or homemade part that the installer considers safe for flight. > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:04 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: PAINT STRIPPING A CJ --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" Baking soda blasting creates a huge mess and the residue is very hard to remove from crevices and wiring bundles. This isn't an issue if you're cleaning simple parts. Washing it out puts water in a lot of places where it would not normally be and where you don't want it. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Looking for a few good pictures From: Stephen Fox --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox Jeff - I posted a bunch of pictures from All Red Star http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum2.html You may find something useful here. I've also got a bunch more that I will go through and send off. Happy Holidays Steve Fox On 12/22/04 10:24 AM, "Jeff Linebaugh" wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" > > Yakers... > > I am in the process of finalizing the update to the RPA FAST Manual. > > I need a few good pictures....could you help me out? > > In particular I need: > > 1) YAK 52 and CJ Fingertip formation references picture. (A picture taken > from the wing position that shows the fingertip references on the lead > aircraft.) > > 2) Yak 52 or CJ Formation Takeoff reference picture. (A picture taken from > the wing position that shows the wing takeoff references on the lead > aircraft while holding in position on the runway. I need the front edge of > the wingtip halfway back on the cowl.) > > 3) Echelon turn references picture. > > My mailbox is only so big so please don't dump mass quantities of 1MB pics > on me... > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Jeff Linebaugh > jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net > CJ-6P N621CJ > Memphis, TN > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:56 AM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" Thanks for the reply. Your AMOs probably have less concern with liability than big FBOs here. Can you use them for hire? The only difference between a recreational flight and a proficiency flight is on the exceedingly rare occasion when a federal employee asks why your CJ is parked in front of a resturant. "I flew here to eat" is the wrong answer, "I got hungry during my proficiency flight" is the right answer. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 From: Jay Land --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land I don't know, I saw one on the ramp at Dulles the other day.......must be the lone hold out. Looked pretty cool next to my 1962 Queen Air with 10,000+ hours. Hum, wonder how that spar looks these days? Oh I forgot, it has the spar mod! Jay > From: "Ron Davis" > Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:35:41 -0700 > To: > Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-34 > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" > >> You are right Ron, Beech isn't a complete failure...just look at the >> Starship... :-) > > There is no evidence that the Starship was a failure. Or at least there > won't be when the steamroller gets done in Pinal Air Park. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:32 PM PST US From: "Walt Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" Ron; Can you use them for hire????? The short answer is no, the Limited category is for non commercial use only unless "you" are a government contractor then you can use L39's, F5's, Mig 21's or whatever to provide aggressor or other services to the military. We also have a "Restricted" category that does allow some specific commercial use. This seems to be used mostly for non-certificated agricultural aircraft. On a different matter your earlier post on 12V alternatives indicated a certain disdain for the Astron 2412 converter. This subject is definitely not my forte and (since I have been using one with apparently good results for many years) I would appreciate if you could expand on it's problems. Thanks; Walt Original Message ----- From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-18T in Canada, Can it be done? > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" > > Thanks for the reply. Your AMOs probably have less concern with liability > than big FBOs here. Can you use them for hire? The only difference between > a recreational flight and a proficiency flight is on the exceedingly rare > occasion when a federal employee asks why your CJ is parked in front of a > resturant. "I flew here to eat" is the wrong answer, "I got hungry during > my proficiency flight" is the right answer. > >