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1. 03:39 AM - Re: Re: Radio Altimeter (Daniel Fortin)
2. 04:34 AM - Re: GPS equiped ersonal Locator Beacon (PLB) (Daniel Fortin)
3. 05:49 AM - DeBear update (Duncan aka Russ)
4. 06:23 AM - Re: GPS equiped ersonal Locator Beacon (PLB) (cjpilot710@aol.com)
5. 06:36 AM - RPA, CFIs, Membership and paypal (Drew Blahnick)
6. 08:17 AM - Re: GPS equiped ersonal Locator Beacon (PLB) (Ron Davis)
7. 11:10 AM - GPS radio altimeter (Jon Boede)
8. 11:18 AM - Re: GPS radio altimeter (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 12:15 PM - Re: GPS radio altimeter (Ernest Martinez)
10. 12:36 PM - Re: GPS radio altimeter (Brian Lloyd)
11. 12:55 PM - Re: GPS radio altimeter (Jim and Vivian)
12. 12:57 PM - Re: Gear up incidents (Lee Taylor)
13. 12:59 PM - Mags & ignition (Jorgen Nielsen)
14. 02:45 PM - Sergei Boriak @ Waycross (Shane Golden)
15. 02:49 PM - RPA Report (Drew Blahnick)
16. 02:55 PM - Re: Sergei Boriak @ Waycross (Jay Land)
17. 03:12 PM - ground school AYS (Jay Land)
18. 03:26 PM - Re: Sergei Boriak @ Waycross (Shane Golden)
19. 03:34 PM - Re: Sergei Boriak @ Waycross (Ernest Martinez)
20. 03:57 PM - gear warning system (Brian Lloyd)
21. 04:16 PM - Re: gear warning system (Ernest Martinez)
22. 04:54 PM - Re: RPA Report (cjpilot710@aol.com)
23. 05:20 PM - new horzion (cjpilot710@aol.com)
24. 05:44 PM - Waycross STRONG Rigger On-Site (Shane Golden)
25. 06:50 PM - Re: Waycross STRONG Rigger On-Site (Ernest Martinez)
26. 08:03 PM - Re: Mags & ignition (PHCarter@aol.com)
27. 08:47 PM - Re: Waycross STRONG Rigger On-Site (FamilyGage@aol.com)
28. 09:02 PM - Re: gear warning system (Walt Lannon)
29. 09:10 PM - Re: Mags & ignition (A. Dennis Savarese)
30. 09:14 PM - Re: Waycross STRONG Rigger On-Site (A. Dennis Savarese)
31. 09:15 PM - Re: gear warning system (Brian Lloyd)
32. 09:36 PM - Re: gear warning system (Brian Lloyd)
33. 10:08 PM - Gear Check (D Zeman)
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Altimeter |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
The Challenger 604 has a similar system. I don't know exactly where it
receives it information from, but the gear horn is inhibited above an
altitude where the landing gear needs not be extended. Once below this
altitude the horn will sound if either of the thrust levers is retarded to
idle. I think a poor's man version would be a good tool for our airplanes.
Dan
>From: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: Re: Radio Altimeter
>Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:55:19 -1200
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> >
> >I am not electronics buff, but is there no chance of using
>a modified
> >"park distance control" unit from a car? And bumping up the
>range to
> >operate as a low range ground proximity unit ?(radio
>altimeter) I know
> >some cars (mercedes) also have a radar type unit for cruise
>control?
> >One could also then perhaps wire it to a solenoid that
>blocks operation
> >of the gear up select when on the ground, or to a
>microswitch so that
> >the second the gear up lever moves out of position a buzzer
>goes off?
> >
>
>You might be on to something here but I'm not sure what the
>max range is on an automotive unit. Perhaps I'll patrol the
>streets for likely candidates for "donations". It could also
>work to let Lead know when #4 is in the slot :)
>
>Craig Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | GPS equiped ersonal Locator Beacon (PLB) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Hal,
First of all, "old style" ELT do work. I am the LIVING proof of that. We
see the CAP guys searching the ramp with their Alien like antena trying to
find THE airplane with a sounding ELT simply because a ramp is a rich target
environement. If/when an airplane is involved in an accident, the ELT will
automaticaly activate, the signal will then be picked up by a weather
satelite on polar orbits and the latitude of the crash site will be
determined using the DUPLER principles. Longitude is estimated by by the
strengh of the signal received. You are correct, it is a somewhat large
area. SAR airplanes when dispatched have special equipment to refine the
search and considerately decrease the area. At the end of the day, a visual
search still needs to be done, but when there is only one aircraft in the
midle of a feild or the bottom of a valley, it is somewhat easier identify.
PLB on 406, (with or without GPS) send a signal to a geostationary SAR
satelite. Having a 406 ELT singnificaly improves one chances of being
swiftly found should it be needed, having an GPS equipped 406 PLB... goes
without saying.
As far a the manual activation, when I was in the Canadian Airforce, we had
an ELT attached to the ejection seat, it was capable of both 121.5 and 243.
The 121.5 was activated automaticaly by the ejection, the 243 needed manual
activation. Why? Simply to let SAR personel that survivors were present.
But then again, the best of my knowledge PLB were originaly designed for
broader applications the aviation.
Cheers,
Dan
Personaly, I thinkit is an excellent tools, and will definetely add one in
my survival kit.
>From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Yak-List: GPS equiped ersonal Locator Beacon (PLB)
>Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:07:59 -0800
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>
>I saw an ad today for a FASTFIND PLB that is GPS equipped and operates on
>both 406 MHz and the older 121.5 MHz. Price (at King) is $649!
>
>Virtually no one is rescued with the old ELTs because it can take many
>hours for the signal to be received, and then the SAR teams know where you
>are - within about a 30 square kilometer area (if my memory is correct.
>Ever see the guys going down rows of planes and hangars trying to get
>close?).
>
>The new systems use the 406 MHz frequency that is received within three
>minutes. With the built in GPS they claim to know where you are within 100
>feet. That sounds great to me! I don't want to wait a day or more for
>someone to find my sweet tush if I need help.
>
>I carry the new style in the Bonanza, but the cost has been too high to put
>a second unit in the CJ. This is not only affordable, you can take it with
>you on other ventures. One drawback, you have to be manually capable of
>starting it -- it does not automatically start on impact.
>
>Anyway, check it out at
>http://www.mcmurdo.co.uk/?Menu17&Page/Contents/ListProducts.asp&ID1026
>
>We have our Brit friends to thank for a neat new tool.
>
>Hal
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
Al's personal PC has vast hardware issues so he will not be answering emails
much until it has been repaired. Add several weeks of helleous work, shake
not stir well and you have Al's general condition
Russ
With apologies to Ian F. for the shaken/stirred reference
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| Subject: | Re: GPS equiped ersonal Locator Beacon (PLB) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Having chased ELT, EPR, and what not, for some 15 years while in CAP up in
CT. Wing, I can tell you that 50% (my personal experience) of the time they
don't work. On the last mission I went on (6 fatalities just 7 miles from GNV),
the ELT didn't work. As a matter of fact the last time I did see one work, a
wing folded on a T-Craft in the pattern at DXR and I was the one who had to
climb over the pilot's body to turn it off. Lots of gorey stories to tell.
The early and still the vast majority of ELT in aircraft today are supposed
to activate on impact. The first satellite that ever monitored 121.5 was a
Russian weather satellite. They were able to figure a position of a crash using
Doppler shift and two or three orbits. Accuracy was as close a 7 miles.
Tracking one these thing on the ground could be very frustrating no matter how
good you were with the tracker. We were thrown off one crash site by many miles
because the aircraft had hit near a power line, which somehow (PFM) sent the
single all over the place. The signal will bounce off hill sides. They say it
won't, but I've seen and measured it. And try to find an ELT that's in a
bent up airplane on the back of a truck on its way to a salvage yard. We chased
that sucker 300 miles!
You may remember Steve Wittman. He designed the Tailwind, Bonzo and a bunch
of other airplanes. I believe he was over 80 years old when he and his wife
were killed, when the fabric detached on the top of his Tailwind as they were
head north. They were found by visual search. His ELT had not worked.
To me the new ELT with position info, are God sent. There now a number of
satellites monitoring and much better accuracy in position finding. But any CAP
member can tell you the ELTs units themselves, still have a long way to go.
Particularly the older ones.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | RPA, CFIs, Membership and paypal |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Folks, For those interested in RPA 2005:
Its good to see your reports, and we can all see how we are moving quickly and
relentlessly to address, fix and modify our platforms to work effectively. Your
feedback changed our position on paypal and Deons leaving it in.
Believe it or not, all this technology infrastructure, as time consuming as it
is to set up, saves us many times over in manhours down the road. Take for example
the photogallery, demanded by many, we haven't had to manually crop and
thumbnail a picture in almost two years - can't image the time that saved, and
will save in the years to come.
Now our RPA newsletter and bulletin technology platform is done, if you recieved
my Letter from the President two days ago its working for you, you will recieve
future newsletters/bulletins - If you did not, your not an RPA member or your
email address needs to be updated in account admin. I will be creating a
newsletter sign-up on the public home page for non RPA members, but it will not
be all products issued to members.
As with all programs, this one now relies on staff and volunteers; I've requested
3 main editors (Newsletter, Flight Ops and Maintenance) and at least 2 editors
at large, of which I'm one and Mike Filucci has volunteered as the other.
they will in-turn seek out members inputs periodically (and regenerate important
discussions found here, such as posted on gear modifications). For a long
time we've pushed 100% online registration for events because the information
is sent automatically to the event organizer to save him compiling and emailing,
in the very near future, if you are all registered at flyredstar, members or
not, for recieving the newsletters/bulletins, event organizers like Shane at
Waycross will give you details in a Flight Ops Bulletin that lands in your inbox
and allows you to register right from the bulletin itself with a click of
the mouse - seamless.
My compiled National CFI Database is finished, but is not complete. I received
35 emails from the CFI posts sent to the yak list, beyond the minimum 25 I wanted.
But, after sending out excell extracts for information on those emails
I have recieved 23 CFIs that will be on the list. I need more and I know they
are out there. If you are a CFI with instructional experience in our aircraft,
even if you do not want to do anything more than give FAA Flight Reviews at
the home field, or if you recieved the excell extract and have not responded,
send me an email. If you did send it back, or reply to the excell extract request,
you are on the list. If you gave me a referal ("nomination"), you might
want to email me for an excell extract to forward to your nominee.
Drew
Drew Blahnick
RPA President
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| Subject: | Re: GPS equiped ersonal Locator Beacon (PLB) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
I have always been skeptical of CAP "search and rescue" because they hardly
ever rescue anyone. As a former MG owner, I feel that relying on a
British-designed electrical device for salvation seems like the pinnacle of
betise.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Subject: Yak-List: GPS equiped ersonal Locator Beacon (PLB)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
>
> I saw an ad today for a FASTFIND PLB that is GPS equipped and operates on
both 406 MHz and the older 121.5 MHz. Price (at King) is $649!
>
> Virtually no one is rescued with the old ELTs because it can take many
hours for the signal to be received, and then the SAR teams know where you
are - within about a 30 square kilometer area (if my memory is correct.
Ever see the guys going down rows of planes and hangars trying to get
close?).
>
> The new systems use the 406 MHz frequency that is received within three
minutes. With the built in GPS they claim to know where you are within 100
feet. That sounds great to me! I don't want to wait a day or more for
someone to find my sweet tush if I need help.
>
> I carry the new style in the Bonanza, but the cost has been too high to
put a second unit in the CJ. This is not only affordable, you can take it
with you on other ventures. One drawback, you have to be manually capable
of starting it -- it does not automatically start on impact.
>
> Anyway, check it out at
http://www.mcmurdo.co.uk/?Menu17&Page/Contents/ListProducts.asp&ID1026
>
> We have our Brit friends to thank for a neat new tool.
>
> Hal
>
>
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| Subject: | GPS radio altimeter |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
You know, it's too bad that Garmin, etc. units don't put out +5v on a pin
when they're within Xnm of an airport and less than 100' above that
airport's elevation. Even without WAAS, the thing knows your altitude
pretty precisely.
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: GPS radio altimeter |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 1/6/2005 2:11:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jon@email.net
writes:
You know, it's too bad that Garmin, etc. units don't put out +5v on a pin
when they're within Xnm of an airport and less than 100' above that
airport's elevation. Even without WAAS, the thing knows your altitude
pretty precisely.
Jon
I think that's a good idea.
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| Subject: | Re: GPS radio altimeter |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
The 296 has terrain info and will alert you when you're within X
number of feet of terrain or other obstructions. The algorithm is
already there all you need is an interface.
Ernie
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:18:36 EST, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/6/2005 2:11:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jon@email.net
> writes:
> You know, it's too bad that Garmin, etc. units don't put out +5v on a pin
> when they're within Xnm of an airport and less than 100' above that
> airport's elevation. Even without WAAS, the thing knows your altitude
> pretty precisely.
>
> Jon
> I think that's a good idea.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GPS radio altimeter |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Jan 6, 2005, at 3:14 PM, Ernest Martinez wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> The 296 has terrain info and will alert you when you're within X
> number of feet of terrain or other obstructions. The algorithm is
> already there all you need is an interface.
And if wishes were horses then beggars would ride.
I too like the idea of using the GPS but it requires modification of
the GPS software, something very difficult to get in panel-mounted
radios due to the FAA review process. I wouldn't hold my breath on
this.
I am looking into crafting a radio altimeter but the most daunting task
will be getting FCC approval under part 15, license-free transmitters.
I don't think this will be a quick process.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good
citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | Re: GPS radio altimeter |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim and Vivian" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
Brian
Hope you had a Great New Year's, and how's your Son doing, question do you
know where I can get Altimeters in feet with the 6 o clock adjustment knob.
Jim Selby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brianl@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: GPS radio altimeter
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
> On Jan 6, 2005, at 3:14 PM, Ernest Martinez wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >
> > The 296 has terrain info and will alert you when you're within X
> > number of feet of terrain or other obstructions. The algorithm is
> > already there all you need is an interface.
>
> And if wishes were horses then beggars would ride.
>
> I too like the idea of using the GPS but it requires modification of
> the GPS software, something very difficult to get in panel-mounted
> radios due to the FAA review process. I wouldn't hold my breath on
> this.
>
> I am looking into crafting a radio altimeter but the most daunting task
> will be getting FCC approval under part 15, license-free transmitters.
> I don't think this will be a quick process.
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
>
> There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest. A good
> citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List:Gear up incidents |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@comcast.net>
Guys, all the suggestions about gear warning systems, checklist items,
procedural techniques, ----all well and good.
Having been there, tho, (intense and multiple distractions
leading to the screech from the belly),
The one I use is
ON FINAL, "Gear and Prop". Nothing else.
Lee Taylor
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
I recently suffered a rough running engine on my '52 on take off, run up
checks were OK. Problem was intermittent, and I found the problem to be
Mag 2 (RHS) missing badly so opened it up to find a cracked rotor.
Swapped it out, still had a problem. Then changed the whole magneto,
problem is still there sometimes but better.
I now suspect a bad plug lead(s). Any ideas welcome.
Point of the email is that I was faced with the problem of synchronising
the timing, but without a tool made for the job. I couldn't use 2 test
lamps because the points are grounded via the internal coil so dc flows
through regardless of whether the points are open or closed.
Figuring the coil would provide some inductive resistance to ac, and
scratching around in the hangar, I made up a test unit with an old 6v
transformer (AC output, broke open a wall charger and snipped the diode
bridge & cap off), connected through 2 12v lamps I mounted to a board,
with 3 croc clips attached. One went to earth, one to each magneto
point. Also figured the 6v with 2 low power 12v maps would safety limit
current. Worked great. The lamps glow dimly, not blinding you when
looking at them but still bright, then almost go out as the points open.
Timed the second mag using the good mag so that turning the prop
extinguished both lamps simultaneously (as the points opened), so timing
dead on the same. This took a while. Maybe someone might be able to
use this somewhere...
As mentioned although feeling very pleased with my home grown
synchroniser, still did not solve the problem - intermittently when
running on no. 2 she still misfires, other times she's OK. My engine
start & test was fine, run up test fine. Decided to go fly, taxi fine,
run ups showed a bit of mag drop, take off fine, no problems at all when
running on both, but sometimes when switching to 2 only she runs rough
still. But not always. I HATE intermittent faults!
By the way, there should be a special club for people that have
successfully removed and replaced magnetos in-situ from the M14P. We
could meet from time to time and reminisce about whether we actually
managed to finger tighten the nut more than 1/2 turn, how many bleeding
wounds on the back of one's hand were generated, how on the first time
we took an angle grinder to our favourite no. 14 spanner, how to turn
the forward $%#%$ securing nut takes 3 operations top & bottom with 2
spanners to turn 1/6 turn, etc, etc....
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| Subject: | Sergei Boriak @ Waycross |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
If anyone is interested in receiving aerobatic instruction from Sergei at
Waycross please let me know ASAP. Harry Dutson has informed me that Sergei
has the weekend open and can be there if we have enough students for him.
Shane
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Folks,
Trivia, but it might imply email address updating:
The 'Letter from the President' sent 3 days ago to all RPA members emails in the
database contained at flyredstar (master database) had a dual purpose; it was
also a test of distribution effectiveness for the follow on newsletters/bulletins:
92.7% Were delivered successfully to your inboxes
7.3% Bounced and were not able to deliver (bad emails)
Not bad, as some folks have moved on and are still on our list. If you didn't
recieve this letter and you are an RPA member, please update your email in account
administration.
Coming soon: I'm having Deon remove passwords from the login process, just Member
Numbers only to login. Change will occur shortly. Someone buy him a beer
at Waycross.
Drew
Drew Blahnick
RPA
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| Subject: | Sergei Boriak @ Waycross |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay Land" <jland@popeandland.com>
Shane
Count us in! Sergei is awsome and we should try to get him there.
Any news on Gas prices?
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Shane Golden
Subject: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak @ Waycross
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
If anyone is interested in receiving aerobatic instruction from Sergei at
Waycross please let me know ASAP. Harry Dutson has informed me that Sergei
has the weekend open and can be there if we have enough students for him.
Shane
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| Subject: | ground school AYS |
0.26 UPPERCASE_25_50 message body is 25-50% uppercase
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay Land" <jland@popeandland.com>
Shane
FAST Ground School is fine for us Thursday evening- Good idea, more flying!!
Jay
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| Subject: | Sergei Boriak @ Waycross |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
Yep. The proposed price was 2.26 100LL and 2.76 Jet A. Should have an
answer tomorrow.
Shane
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak @ Waycross
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay Land" <jland@popeandland.com>
Shane
Count us in! Sergei is awsome and we should try to get him there.
Any news on Gas prices?
Jay
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Shane Golden
Subject: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak @ Waycross
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
If anyone is interested in receiving aerobatic instruction from Sergei at
Waycross please let me know ASAP. Harry Dutson has informed me that Sergei
has the weekend open and can be there if we have enough students for him.
Shane
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| Subject: | Re: Sergei Boriak @ Waycross |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I'm gonna have to use the account my wife cant see :)
Ernie
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:25:45 -0500, Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
>
> Yep. The proposed price was 2.26 100LL and 2.76 Jet A. Should have an
> answer tomorrow.
>
> Shane
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak @ Waycross
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jay Land" <jland@popeandland.com>
>
> Shane
>
> Count us in! Sergei is awsome and we should try to get him there.
> Any news on Gas prices?
>
> Jay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Shane Golden
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak @ Waycross
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
>
> If anyone is interested in receiving aerobatic instruction from Sergei at
> Waycross please let me know ASAP. Harry Dutson has informed me that Sergei
> has the weekend open and can be there if we have enough students for him.
>
> Shane
>
>
>
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| Subject: | gear warning system |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
We are working out the design for a gear warning system. Here is what
we are thinking:
The unit will alarm if the gear is not down and the throttle is
retarded to a certain point or the flaps are lowered (you can choose).
If you have a radio altimeter it will accept that input instead of the
microswitch on the throttle or flaps. (We may do a radio altimeter
module in the future but that will be down the road due to FCC approval
issues so if you want one now it will have to be driven by
throttle/flap position. You can upgrade later at no penalty.)
There will be a pushbutton that will temporarily disable the unit for
doing acro.
Output will be a dry contact (relay contact) to drive a light or horn.
It will also have audio output with combined tones and speech
(whoop-whoop "landing gear" whoop-whoop "landing gear" ...) to feed
into your intercom. The dry contact can also drive the PTT for your
intercom if you have a non-VOX intercom.
The unit will be microprocessor based with a power requirement of
9-32VDC. It will have status LEDs for all the inputs and output for
testing during installation. Size of the module will be on the order
of 2" x 3" x 3/4".
Questions I need answered:
1. What should the tone and message be? You guys who drive heavy iron
probably expect something from your bitching betty and we would like to
make it the same for easy recognition.
2. Should the disable feature be for a period of time, e.g. 5 minutes,
or should it be until you cycle the gear?
3. Should we include a bracket and microswitch for the throttle
quadrant or do you want to roll your own? I don't know how many flavors
of throttle quadrant there are out there. A microswitch on the flaps is
actually pretty easy to do.
4. We expect price to come in at about $350 but is dependent on demand.
If more people buy we can make the price lower ... probably.
Regardless, would you buy one at that price? (Hint: if no one says
'yes' we probably aren't going to build it. And before you tell me just
what a rip-off that is consider the design time, getting parts,
building the things, testing, supporting you on the phone, replacing
fried units, etc.)
I need to get an idea of how many people would want one. I would say
that you should send replies directly to me but there may be a good
reason for discussion on the list about things like how the
temporary-disable function should work.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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| Subject: | Re: gear warning system |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
What about the pneumatically operated ram installed in the seat bottom
which would actuate right up your butt if you didnt acknowledge the
warning given so far?
Ernie
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:56:40 -0500, Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
> We are working out the design for a gear warning system. Here is what
> we are thinking:
>
> The unit will alarm if the gear is not down and the throttle is
> retarded to a certain point or the flaps are lowered (you can choose).
> If you have a radio altimeter it will accept that input instead of the
> microswitch on the throttle or flaps. (We may do a radio altimeter
> module in the future but that will be down the road due to FCC approval
> issues so if you want one now it will have to be driven by
> throttle/flap position. You can upgrade later at no penalty.)
>
> There will be a pushbutton that will temporarily disable the unit for
> doing acro.
>
> Output will be a dry contact (relay contact) to drive a light or horn.
> It will also have audio output with combined tones and speech
> (whoop-whoop "landing gear" whoop-whoop "landing gear" ...) to feed
> into your intercom. The dry contact can also drive the PTT for your
> intercom if you have a non-VOX intercom.
>
> The unit will be microprocessor based with a power requirement of
> 9-32VDC. It will have status LEDs for all the inputs and output for
> testing during installation. Size of the module will be on the order
> of 2" x 3" x 3/4".
>
> Questions I need answered:
>
> 1. What should the tone and message be? You guys who drive heavy iron
> probably expect something from your bitching betty and we would like to
> make it the same for easy recognition.
>
> 2. Should the disable feature be for a period of time, e.g. 5 minutes,
> or should it be until you cycle the gear?
>
> 3. Should we include a bracket and microswitch for the throttle
> quadrant or do you want to roll your own? I don't know how many flavors
> of throttle quadrant there are out there. A microswitch on the flaps is
> actually pretty easy to do.
>
> 4. We expect price to come in at about $350 but is dependent on demand.
> If more people buy we can make the price lower ... probably.
> Regardless, would you buy one at that price? (Hint: if no one says
> 'yes' we probably aren't going to build it. And before you tell me just
> what a rip-off that is consider the design time, getting parts,
> building the things, testing, supporting you on the phone, replacing
> fried units, etc.)
>
> I need to get an idea of how many people would want one. I would say
> that you should send replies directly to me but there may be a good
> reason for discussion on the list about things like how the
> temporary-disable function should work.
>
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
> +1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> Antoine de Saint-Exupry
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 1/6/2005 5:50:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lacloudchaser@yahoo.com writes:
Coming soon: I'm having Deon remove passwords from the login process, just
Member Numbers only to login. Change will occur shortly. Someone buy him a
beer at Waycross.
Drew
Drew Blahnick
RPA
I am going to kiss him!
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Guys,
Check out web site www.sportflyingshop.com. There is a new artificial
horizon. The Stratomaster by MGL Avionics. One model of give you, roll, pitch,
turn, and heading. You can get it in 2.25 or 3.5 inch size and it's only
about 3" deep. Around $900. Looks real interesting. Has anybody had experience
with or seen one?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Waycross STRONG Rigger On-Site |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
If anyone would like to have their parachutes repacked at Waycross by Kelly
from Strong Enterprises let know ASAP she would like at least 15 chutes
before she makes the trip.
Shane
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| Subject: | Re: Waycross STRONG Rigger On-Site |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I need 4 repacked, but I dont know if she can do the russian chutes so
I have at least 2
Ernie
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:44:04 -0500, Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
>
> If anyone would like to have their parachutes repacked at Waycross by Kelly
> from Strong Enterprises let know ASAP she would like at least 15 chutes
> before she makes the trip.
>
> Shane
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mags & ignition |
--> Yak-List message posted by: PHCarter@aol.com
Recently bought a Yak-52 which had similar intermittent missing and roughness
issues. I have similar long stories of trouble shooting, symptomology (sp?),
and working theories. Replaced magneto caps, rotor, and sparkplugs with
little or no improvement. In the end things pointed at the ignition harness.
Replacing the entire harness, or at least removing it to be rebuilt and then
re-installed, is very time consuming and not cheap. Many people had suggestions
on how to replace the ignition wire without removing the entire harness. After
long thought, and several fearful flights, I decided to remove the entire
harness and have it rebuilt during annual. It was a great decision! Removing
the harness takes about 8 hours and another 8 hours to re-install. Re-building
the harness (replacing wire, insultation, shielding, re-plating metal
components, up-grade plug connections to US plugs, etc.) is not cheap either.
The
result was a much smoother running engine, has not missed a beat since, excellent
throttle response, quicker starting, and more power (picked up 5 to 10 kph
airspeed cruise). I recommend calling Savage Magneto in Hayward CA (510)
782-7081 . They do great work and know their stuff. I would recommend calling
them
regardless if you are thinking about replacing the harness. Share your
problems with "Al", he may be able to give you some advice.
Preston Carter (N6209F)
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| Subject: | Re: Waycross STRONG Rigger On-Site |
--> Yak-List message posted by: FamilyGage@aol.com
Shane,
I have two Strong rigs that are just about to expire. Could use a repack.
Ray Gage
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| Subject: | Re: gear warning system |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Hey Brian;
Some notes on the gear warning, just my humble opinions for your
consideration ----
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
>
> We are working out the design for a gear warning system. Here is what
> we are thinking:
>
> The unit will alarm if the gear is not down and the throttle is
> retarded to a certain point or the flaps are lowered (you can choose).
Poor choice. There will come a day when the wind conditions are so bad you
will land with no flap (unless you have installed a ratchet valve for
incremental flap selection in the CJ or 52) and maybe under some stress due
to the conditions that you forget the gear. You will for sure at some point
reduce the throttle - that will give you a heads up no matter where the
flaps are.
> There will be a pushbutton that will temporarily disable the unit for
> doing acro.
Good!
> Output will be a dry contact (relay contact) to drive a light or horn.
> It will also have audio output with combined tones and speech
> (whoop-whoop "landing gear" whoop-whoop "landing gear" ...) to feed
> into your intercom. The dry contact can also drive the PTT for your
> intercom if you have a non-VOX intercom.
By "dry contact" I presume you mean normally closed contacts and yes that
could power a horn or whatever to get your attention.
> The unit will be microprocessor based with a power requirement of
> 9-32VDC. It will have status LEDs for all the inputs and output for
> testing during installation. Size of the module will be on the order
> of 2" x 3" x 3/4".
> Questions I need answered:
>
> 1. What should the tone and message be? You guys who drive heavy iron
> probably expect something from your bitching betty and we would like to
> make it the same for easy recognition.
For me just a loud horn.
> 2. Should the disable feature be for a period of time, e.g. 5 minutes,
> or should it be until you cycle the gear?
Why re- invent the wheel. You don't want to have to cycle the gear every
time you do stall or spin practice or push the button again while you are
practicing if it's on a timer (either of which may be forgotten!). If you
already have a throttle switch you already have the whole enchilada for an
automatic re-set. Just use the NC/ NO relay I mentioned in a previous post
or to stay on the high tech side some solid state equivalent.
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| Subject: | Re: Mags & ignition |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
Replace your entire Russian spark plugs and ignition harness with an
automotive conversion kit that includes everything down to the flat washers
that replace the tabs removed with the wiring harness ring. Explicit
instructions with color photos. Spark plugs are available over the counter
at your local auto supply store and the wires are Taylor 8 mm spiro-wrapped,
silicone-carbon impregnated racing wires. Everything is cut to fit for each
plug, front and rear. Contact me off list if you're interested.
I now have a little over 17 hours on the installation and it runs better
than it ever has, idles significantly better, starts better and the mag drop
is less than 2% on both mags.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Subject: Yak-List: Mags & ignition
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
<jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> I recently suffered a rough running engine on my '52 on take off, run up
> checks were OK. Problem was intermittent, and I found the problem to be
> Mag 2 (RHS) missing badly so opened it up to find a cracked rotor.
> Swapped it out, still had a problem. Then changed the whole magneto,
> problem is still there sometimes but better.
>
> I now suspect a bad plug lead(s). Any ideas welcome.
>
> Point of the email is that I was faced with the problem of synchronising
> the timing, but without a tool made for the job. I couldn't use 2 test
> lamps because the points are grounded via the internal coil so dc flows
> through regardless of whether the points are open or closed.
>
> Figuring the coil would provide some inductive resistance to ac, and
> scratching around in the hangar, I made up a test unit with an old 6v
> transformer (AC output, broke open a wall charger and snipped the diode
> bridge & cap off), connected through 2 12v lamps I mounted to a board,
> with 3 croc clips attached. One went to earth, one to each magneto
> point. Also figured the 6v with 2 low power 12v maps would safety limit
> current. Worked great. The lamps glow dimly, not blinding you when
> looking at them but still bright, then almost go out as the points open.
> Timed the second mag using the good mag so that turning the prop
> extinguished both lamps simultaneously (as the points opened), so timing
> dead on the same. This took a while. Maybe someone might be able to
> use this somewhere...
>
> As mentioned although feeling very pleased with my home grown
> synchroniser, still did not solve the problem - intermittently when
> running on no. 2 she still misfires, other times she's OK. My engine
> start & test was fine, run up test fine. Decided to go fly, taxi fine,
> run ups showed a bit of mag drop, take off fine, no problems at all when
> running on both, but sometimes when switching to 2 only she runs rough
> still. But not always. I HATE intermittent faults!
>
> By the way, there should be a special club for people that have
> successfully removed and replaced magnetos in-situ from the M14P. We
> could meet from time to time and reminisce about whether we actually
> managed to finger tighten the nut more than 1/2 turn, how many bleeding
> wounds on the back of one's hand were generated, how on the first time
> we took an angle grinder to our favourite no. 14 spanner, how to turn
> the forward $%#%$ securing nut takes 3 operations top & bottom with 2
> spanners to turn 1/6 turn, etc, etc....
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Waycross STRONG Rigger On-Site |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
I have one to be repacked.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Golden" <scgsmg@direcway.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Waycross STRONG Rigger On-Site
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
>
> If anyone would like to have their parachutes repacked at Waycross by
Kelly
> from Strong Enterprises let know ASAP she would like at least 15 chutes
> before she makes the trip.
>
>
> Shane
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: gear warning system |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Jan 6, 2005, at 7:15 PM, Ernest Martinez wrote:
> What about the pneumatically operated ram installed in the seat bottom
> which would actuate right up your butt if you didnt acknowledge the
> warning given so far?
Extra-cost option.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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| Subject: | Re: gear warning system |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
On Jan 7, 2005, at 12:01 AM, Walt Lannon wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> Hey Brian;
>
> Some notes on the gear warning, just my humble opinions for your
> consideration ----
Thanks Walt. This is the kind of feedback I need.
>> The unit will alarm if the gear is not down and the throttle is
>> retarded to a certain point or the flaps are lowered (you can choose).
>
> Poor choice. There will come a day when the wind conditions are so bad
> you
> will land with no flap (unless you have installed a ratchet valve for
> incremental flap selection in the CJ or 52) and maybe under some
> stress due
> to the conditions that you forget the gear. You will for sure at some
> point
> reduce the throttle - that will give you a heads up no matter where the
> flaps are.
That would be my choice too. We will allow the installer and/or pilot
to decide which is better.
>
>
>> There will be a pushbutton that will temporarily disable the unit for
>> doing acro.
>
> Good!
So do you opt for reset on flaps, reset on gear cycle, or reset after
some period of time?
> By "dry contact" I presume you mean normally closed contacts and yes
> that
> could power a horn or whatever to get your attention.
Normally open contact. The contacts close when the gear warning goes
off.
>> 1. What should the tone and message be? You guys who drive heavy iron
>> probably expect something from your bitching betty and we would like
>> to
>> make it the same for easy recognition.
>
> For me just a loud horn.
It will do that with the contact closure.
>
>> 2. Should the disable feature be for a period of time, e.g. 5 minutes,
>> or should it be until you cycle the gear?
>
> Why re- invent the wheel. You don't want to have to cycle the gear
> every
> time you do stall or spin practice or push the button again while you
> are
> practicing if it's on a timer (either of which may be forgotten!). If
> you
> already have a throttle switch you already have the whole enchilada
> for an
> automatic re-set. Just use the NC/ NO relay I mentioned in a previous
> post
> or to stay on the high tech side some solid state equivalent.
Well, we are using a microprocessor to give us lots of flexibility in
how it works without having to resort to relays. So we could reset on
opening the throttle again. That was also Doug Sapp's suggestion. The
nice thing about software is you can change the function without having
to rewire or redesign.
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
+1.340.998.9447 St. Thomas, VI 00802
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
Antoine de Saint-Exupry
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--> Yak-List message posted by: D Zeman <curious_wings@yahoo.com>
The gear mods are intriguing but they are not fool
proof - nor is anything - I know everyone knows this.
However, 3 main things are done in the pattern: gear,
prop and flaps. The standard way is gear abeam, prop
on base and flaps on final. I teach in this fashion.
I do teach that at each configuration change to check
the status of the others - i.e. abeam, gear down -
call out and state: gear, prop and flap status (at
abeam it would be GEAR DOWN AND LOCKED, STICKS
CONFIRMED, PROP 70%, FLAPS UP). Base: you should be
pushing the prop forward - check and call out the
status of all three (GEAR DOWN AND LOCKED, STICKS
CONFIRMED, PROP FORWARD, FLAPS UP) and repeat for the
flap change on final (GEAR DOWN AND LOCKED, STICKS
CONFIRMED, PROP FORWARD, FLAPS DOWN). Also I like a
call of the status of all 3 on short final.
Agreed this is not fool proof as well however, with
this training, the most important feature, gear, is
checked 3-4 times before landing.
I believe training is much better than a reliance on a
mechanical mechanism that can come to annoy you during
the flight regimes these planes love so well.
D. Zeman.
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