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1. 01:58 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 46 Msgs - 01/07/05 (Drew Blahnick)
2. 06:39 AM - Re: Gear Checks and mind games (Ernest Martinez)
3. 09:31 AM - ignition (Jerry Painter)
4. 10:05 AM - CJ rules (Daniel Fortin)
5. 11:11 AM - Magneto overhaul (Yakjock)
6. 11:31 AM - Hours in type (Yakjock)
7. 12:18 PM - hours (Duncan aka Russ)
8. 12:21 PM - Re: Mags & ignition (Doug Sapp)
9. 01:06 PM - Re: Hours on type (Barry Hancock)
10. 01:09 PM - Re: Oil Temperatures (Barry Hancock)
11. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Oil Temperatures (Walt Lannon)
12. 05:28 PM - Re: Spark Plugs (Steve Dalton)
13. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Hours on type (ByronMFox@aol.com)
14. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Spark Plugs (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Spark Plugs (Jim Martyn)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 46 Msgs - 01/07/05 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Folks,
Kiss the member numder goodbye in login....we might beek it as a CPu trancking
number,,,
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| Subject: | Re: Gear Checks and mind games |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Thats if we have the weather for it, early indications look like that
weekend may be pretty scuddy.
Ernie
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:46:55 EST, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/7/2005 1:03:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> rvfltd@televar.com writes:
> We need a guy on the ramp with a digital camera, anyone caught with their
> slide in the unlocked position buys a round of beers for the house that
> night.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
> NOW THIS IS A REALLY GOOD IDEA! I'm bring my digital camera to AYS!
>
> Pappy
>
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>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
Had a wonderful CJ, looked great, flew great, ran great, mag drop on the
money, but once in a while it wouldn't or would be hard to start. Flew to
Lopez Island one beautiful fall day with my wife, walked to town and had a
great dinner. Beautiful sunset. Back to the airport to go home and the
sucker wouldn't start. Air gone, I propped, even my wife propped! No joy.
Nada. Zip. Zero. Not a pop. Used up the last $25 I had for a taxi ride
to the ferry and was fortunate enough to get a ride back to AWO Island from
someone we met on the boat. Home about midnight.
Next day, threw a bottle of air in the back of the car, drove to Lopez, it
starts first blade. I'm home in twenty minutes, my wife spent all day in
line waiting for the ferry. She finally gets back to AWO Island about 10PM.
I just about froze to death in the (no heat) hangar waiting for her.
Called Al Savage, pulled wires, NO MORE PROBLEMS EVER!
Yes, I'd been through all of the other drills, and yes, the Chinese wires
checked good ON the airplane, not so good OFF the airplane. Like I said,
intermittent. Expletive deleted!
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Well it snowing like heck here in Eagle CO, as I wait for the wx to pick up
and allow us to depart for home with our pax (we actually need 5400' ceiling
and 3 sm viz... something about hills in the areas...). Since I have some
time on my hands, I borrow one of the pilot's lounge computer to check my
email and there it is on the desktop background: A picture of a couple of CJ
in formation.
Our very own Pappy is leading Sam Sax somewhere over FL. CJ rules...
Dan
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| Subject: | Magneto overhaul |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Has anyone found a reliable place for magneto overhauls? Shane Wease (my mechanic)
and I sent my harness to Savage Magneto and they did a great rebuild. Only
problem is that the rubber wear sleeves have become heavily cracked during
the year the harness has been in my hangar waiting to go back onto the project.
These will have to be replaced before we can use the harness.
Regarding mags, several of us sent about five mags to Al at Savage Magneto for
overhaul. He kept them for about six months or so and finally sent them back
without having worked on them. Apparently new jobs kept coming in the door and
our stuff kept being pushed farther back in his shop. We are still looking
for someone to do an overhaul. Would appreciate any suggestions.
Hal
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
I have 1,028 hours in the CJ. Wonderful memories, great friends and a super airplane!
Glad you brought it up Dan.
Batman
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@hotmail.com>
About 15 hours in CJs and YAK-52s.
Russ "airboss" Witte-Dycus
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Using and selling the Chinese DZ5 plugs, in both the M14 and the 285, never
had or heard of a plug failure in the DZ5. Many M14 drivers are running the
DZ5's at this time. Have had real bad luck myself and have heard many nasty
stories from others about the Russian plugs blowing out the centers. Can't
speak to the performance pluses of the HEI ignition but have been following
it and think it's a great idea, but using a $2.00 automotive plug of
unknown heat range worries me a bit.
As Brian says "your mileage may vary"
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Martyn
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Mags & ignition
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Martyn" <vertigo@whidbey.net>
- Bosch Platinum Auto Plugs (Stock #4236) @ $1.99each.
- 8mm Silicone Performance Auto Wires, heat-sleeved & safety wired.
- #2 Mag converted to HEI ignition, computer-controlled timing.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Mags & ignition
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Hi Dennis
>
> So what plugs are all you guys using? I have read posts about auto
> plugs?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hours on type |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Jan 7, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Time: 05:16:15 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hours on type
> From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> Just over 800... in 3 years.
>
Oh, that's just SICK! Go back to your room! Dude, do you own an oil
company, or something? :)- Between that and the Jet you've used up a
few dinosaurs.....
Me? Over 600 hours in CJ's in almost 4 years.
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Temperatures |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Jan 7, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> As noted temps. are measured at the engine, not the oil cooler. In the
> CJ
> the oil travels a long way to and from the cooler and cooling is taking
> place while it's doing that.
>
> Monitoring of oil out temperature has never been a requirement in
> Western
> aircraft. It is monitored during test and break-in running of new or
> overhauled engines.
>
> Walt
Walt, you are a wealth of knowledge and an great asset to this list.
Thanks for being here!
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Temperatures |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Barry;
Many thanks for your kind words. Much appreciated!
Cheers;
Walt
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
>
>
> Walt, you are a wealth of knowledge and an great asset to this list.
> Thanks for being here!
>
> Barry
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
>>-----Original Message-----
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
If you're talking about the Champion REL37B's, they do not have the
longevity of the Russian plugs, are more expensive and are not the
correct
heat range for the M14. They were the only 14mm aircraft spark plugs
available from Champion. That's how they ended up in the M14. At
$32.50 a
piece, it's an extremely expensive change. Unless I'm mistaken,
Aeromotors
(the builder of the new M14PF in Romania) is shipping with Russian plugs
again.
Dennis<<
Dennis, I'm just curious;
--if the heat range of the REL37B is wrong, is it too hot, or too cold?
--the REL37B plugs in my M14PF have 400 hours on them, with no
problems...is that unusual?
--how long should one expect them to last?
--if someone converts to automotive plugs, how do they determine the
correct heat range plug?
Thanks,
Steve Dalton
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| Subject: | Re: Hours on type |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
By comparison with other responses, my 440 hours in 3 years of CJ time seems
paltry. Thanks to Dave King and Steve Holifield, though, 260 of that was in
formation. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Spark Plugs |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Yes Steve, based on what I've seen in other M14's, that's quite unusual. I
don't know if the heat range is too hot or too cold. But I have been told
by a couple of engine experts these plugs were selected because they were
the only ones that were 14 mm when the westernization began. My guess is
they're too cold. But that's strictly a guess. The most I have seen last
between 100 and 200 hours.
As for the automotive spark plug, they were tested "under fire" (no pun
intended) to determine the best operational heat range. The testing was
done on a Sukhoi. Sukhoi's tend to be operated at the extremes. I've
subjected mine to some really extreme cylinder head temperatures just to see
what happens and not one single hiccup.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Spark Plugs
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> If you're talking about the Champion REL37B's, they do not have the
> longevity of the Russian plugs, are more expensive and are not the
> correct
> heat range for the M14. They were the only 14mm aircraft spark plugs
> available from Champion. That's how they ended up in the M14. At
> $32.50 a
> piece, it's an extremely expensive change. Unless I'm mistaken,
> Aeromotors
> (the builder of the new M14PF in Romania) is shipping with Russian plugs
> again.
> Dennis<<
>
> Dennis, I'm just curious;
> --if the heat range of the REL37B is wrong, is it too hot, or too cold?
> --the REL37B plugs in my M14PF have 400 hours on them, with no
> problems...is that unusual?
> --how long should one expect them to last?
> --if someone converts to automotive plugs, how do they determine the
> correct heat range plug?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve Dalton
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Spark Plugs |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Martyn" <vertigo@whidbey.net>
Steve,
I'm not Dennis, but I do have some experience with Automotive plugs. In my
case, we determined the correct heat range by instrumenting the the CHTs and
EGTs and (using the Russian plugs as a baseline) then tested at least 15
different auto plug types, each in various heat ranges. Almost all of them
produced significantly superior combustion events than did the Russian
plugs, and did so over the entire power range with far less evidence of
fouling than those crummy Russky things.
Remember, the heat rating of the plug DOES NOT refer to any ability to
produce heat - the plug is passive - instead it refers to the plug's
relative rate of dissipation of combustion heat out to the cylinder head.
The question to ask is why you would want to increase or decrease the rate
of heat dissipation to the cylinder head. It is my feeling that this
question is of secondary importance. The more important question is how a
more vigorously firing plug may be affecting the combustion event and
whether the timing should be altered to better harness that event...
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Spark Plugs
> Dennis, I'm just curious;
> --if the heat range of the REL37B is wrong, is it too hot, or too cold?
> --the REL37B plugs in my M14PF have 400 hours on them, with no
> problems...is that unusual?
> --how long should one expect them to last?
> --if someone converts to automotive plugs, how do they determine the
> correct heat range plug?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve Dalton
>
>
>
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