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1. 05:22 AM - Re: Bail Out (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:40 AM - SNF Reservations Repost (cpayne@joimail.com)
3. 06:06 AM - Waycross (Drew Blahnick)
4. 06:24 AM - V530 Refinish (cpayne@joimail.com)
5. 07:34 AM - Re: Yak 55M Question (Scott Kirk)
6. 08:44 AM - RedStar Racing test (Lee Taylor)
7. 08:45 AM - Re: costs (Barry Hancock)
8. 08:46 AM - Water ditchings (Yakjock)
9. 08:50 AM - Re: costs (Ernest Martinez)
10. 10:39 AM - Waycross (Robert Starnes)
11. 01:01 PM - Waycross (Jay Land)
12. 01:18 PM - Re: External Power Port? (Doug Sapp)
13. 02:20 PM - Re: External Power Port? (Dave Laird)
14. 03:18 PM - Re: External Power Port? (Jorgen Nielsen)
15. 03:19 PM - Re: Redstar Racer Test (cpayne@joimail.com)
16. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: costs (Michael Beach - Hartwigs Trucks Pty Ltd)
17. 05:35 PM - APU PLUG (Kelley Monroe)
18. 06:06 PM - Re: Waycross (Ernest Martinez)
19. 07:51 PM - Re: Waycross (cjpilot710@aol.com)
20. 08:42 PM - APU plug CJ-6 (N13472@aol.com)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Contact me off-list if you'd like a solution to the shorter rear cockpit
problem.
Dennis
dsavarese@elmore.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Beresford" <mike_beresford@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Bail Out
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Mike Beresford
<mike_beresford@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Hi all
>
> David H wrote:
> "Would a thin back pack chute in a Yak 52 be ok? If
> it would be a good fit, possibly easier egress?"
>
> My Yak arrived without any seat parachutes. I prefer
> having a parachute available for aerobatics, so I
> looked around at the various options.
>
> In the end I decided to investigate the backpack
> option. I was swayed in this by a little bit of
> skydiving experience. With the backpack I was able to
> get a "square" canopy with a freebag deployment
> system. The packs were designed and built here in
> South Africa by Chris Dales of Chute Shop. Chute Shop
> is a manufacturer of sports skydiving equipment, with
> exports to the States - might be known to some of you.
>
> For those who are familiar with skydiving rigs, the
> pack is fitted with a 250 sq ft "Decelerator" 7 cell
> canopy. This is basically a standard reserve canopy
> used by students. I did consider getting a smaller
> canopy (I normally jump with a 150 sq ft Sabre), but I
> wanted the canopies to be usable by inexperienced (non
> experienced) people. I've seen skydiving students who
> have "frozen" after deployment, and failed to control
> their canopies in any way. The larger canopies
> minimise the risk of injury on landing, even without
> control inputs. The harness system is basically
> standard skydiving rig, including the reserve system.
> The straps are fitted with clip links for easy
> removal. No cutaway fitted - might be a problem in a
> water landing, but the straps themsleves have quick
> release clips. The container is about the same length
> as a normal skydiving rig, but since it only houses
> one canopy it is somewhat thinner. Chris even stitched
> a red star onto the strap covers ;-)
>
> Chris came out to the aircraft to do the measurements,
> and to make suggestions. They then sent me a
> prototype, which I found to be slightly too long. They
> modified the prototype, and when this proved
> satisfactory I ordered a second one.
>
> I'm very happy with my rig, but have found a problem
> with other users. When Chris came out to see the
> cockpit and make suggestions, we were sitting in the
> front cockpit. Apart from one flight a few years back,
> I've never sat in the rear cockpit. I didn't realise
> that the rear cockpit is shorter than the front.
> People in the rear cockpit complain that they can't
> use the rudder pedals properly, as their knees are "up
> around their ears". I've already got the rudder on
> full forward position. It seems that I might have to
> revert to a seat parachute for the rear cockpit.
>
> Blue skies
>
> Mike Beresford
> South Africa
>
>
> --- NapeOne@aol.com wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: NapeOne@aol.com
> >
> > Would a thin back pack chute in a Yak 52 be ok? If
> > it would be a good fit,
> > possibly easier egress?
> > David H.
> >
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
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| Subject: | SNF Reservations Repost |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
RedStars,
I'm reposting this from a month ago for those who may have
missed the message buried in layers of other "stuff".
Craig Payne
Due to popular demand, I'm posting room reservation info for
our April Sun-n-Fun get together. We are staging out of
Zephyrhills (ZPH), just NNW from LAL, located on Highway 301
and SR54 which crosses over from I-75. Easy to fly to, Easy
to drive to. Finding the road to the airport is a little
trickier.
(1) Quality Inn, (813)762-2000, block period from Sunday
4/10, with Sunday 4/17 checkout. $63.99/night if more than
10 rooms reserved, otherwise $71.99 for King or Doubles.
Mention "RedStar Pilots". Cancel 5 days prior to avoid 1st
night charge. Cut off date for this rate is March 20th. I
have 20 rooms on hold here and can get more if we need them.
(2) Best Western, (813) 782-5527, about 1 mile closer to
airport than the Quality, same block period but $71.10
night. Mention "RedStar Pilots". Rooms not reserved will be
released April 1st. Not sure how many rooms I can actually
hold, this place is a lot smaller.
Make your own Credit Card reservation for these rooms at the
RPA rate. I'll post rental car details later. Note that many
other SNF attendees have been doing this very thing and at
least 3 car rental companies will be at the field.
Craig Payne
(813) 764-9493
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Folks,
Shane Goldens RPA Winter Waycross 2005 is compete and it was a great time. Thanks
to Shane for his hard work and all those who helped out - Thanks to Craig
Payne for setting up the race demo and Jim G., your pull to start the race brought
me back to Reno 2003. This highly scripted function certainly has the potential
as a visual gift back to the visiting community (which came out and cooked
the best BBQ I've had in memory).
Thanks again Shane!
Drew
Drew Blahnick
RPA
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
For those whom inquired, the V530 prop that was stripped and
recovered in epoxy/fiberglass and kevlar actually pulled my
CJ up to Waycross, flew 9 hours of formation work and got me
home. Astounding; to some I'm sure.
The only problem I encountered was a rain shower that
blasted some of the paint that was just applied 24 hours
prior. I could feel some imbalance just from that little bit
of paint removal. The next step to to touch up and apply
leading edge tape and rebalance.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Yak 55M Question |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
Ron,
The previous owner of my Yak-55 used to fly with the Canopy open all the
time but I think he had a speed limit above which he would close the canopy.
If I remember correctly, he had talked to a Russian acro pilot/competitor
(SB?) about this and thats where he got his info. I could check with him
next time I talk to him for details.
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Ron Spencer" <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 55M Question
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer" <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
Has any body ever flown with the canopy open? There does not appear to be
any limits other than "Canopy Closed" in the 55M manuals.
Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | RedStar Racing test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@comcast.net>
Craig:
I am not exactly sure what you are referring to on your racing
course/flight path discussions, but one thing does concern me. (and
this is from one who has raced at Reno)
One of the things that Reno has taught is that if you are
actually multi-plane racing, you DO NOT incorporate ANY vertical
manuvering in the race. That is EXTREMELY dangerous. You have one guy
in a pack that, at the end of the race, out of excess exuberance, pulls
up suddenly, and ----you don't want to see the results.
I have a video of a flight of Mosquitos that were coming back
into their home field in Australia after WW-II had ended. This was a
homecoming show for returning war heros, and the three planeload of
heros were making a low formation pass over the crowd. The leader
pulled up suddenly, just showing off. The two wingmen took his tail
off, and he took off their wingtips.
Lee Taylor
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Jan 16, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Subject: Yak-List: costs
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@comcast.net>
>
> This is a REALLY dumb thing for me to even think about, but do any of
> you guys flying an L-39 have a grasp of your actual hourly operational
> costs? I am an A&P, & ex-jet fighter crew chief with my nice hangar in
> my back yard, so the labor costs would be nil, but I was wondering
> about
> actual operational costs. And what are you seeing in average fuel
> burn?
>
>
Lee, et. al.,
Fuel burn varies greatly depending on profile. On cross-country you
can plan about 150-160 gph block to block. For low level flying, form,
acro, etc., you're looking at 180+ gph. These are real world numbers,
not out of a book.
Hourly operating costs are a different story. Based on 50 hrs. flying
per year, you are looking at about $1500/hr. when you factor in
reserves, inspections (50, 100, annual), insurance (liability only),
storage, etc. Your costs would be significantly lower if you did all
the work.
THAT BEING SAID, the best way to get into an L-39 is a fractional
ownership program (seg-way to shameless self promotion! :) ). We are
launching our "Shared Squadron" program in about 30 days. Our new web
site will be up soon with a cost analysis between individual ownership
and squadron membership, but the basic numbers are: cost of entry
reduced by over 65% (less than $100K), DOC $400/hr. v. $1500/hr. dry,
hassle factor a-lot v. nil., etc. You just show up to a clean fueled,
and inspected jet, ready to go...just like Joe Fighter Pilot!
No, this is not a program for everyone. But for those interested in
owning and flying L-39's, this is *by far* the superior way to fly.
Can you have a Squadron in your area? You bet, if you live in or near
a metro area, all you need is 3 like minded pilots and an FBO that
services jets, and we'll do the rest!
If you're interested or know somebody who might be, contact me off list
at warbirdbarry@cox.net.
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
office (714) 730-3958
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com (old site, new site up soon!)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" <Yakjock@msn.com>
Several writers have talked about the problems with water ditchings. No emergency
landing is anything to look forward to. However, coming from Hawaii and being
still linked into the avaiation scene there, the general experience with
water landings has been pretty good, even in fixed gear high-wing airplanes.
Options in Hawaii are not always good. In some areas one's choices will be lava
fields or water -- no question for me that I'd take water.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I have an L-29 which burns a little more thean the 39 but close enough
for your question. Plan 150 gal an hour just in fuel burn. $5000 per
year for liability insurance only. Add about $1000 year in maint (this
is for a 29, 39 will be much higer $4500 for an annual inspection
only, repairs will be additional).
So if you fly 100 hours a year then $412 per hour in fuel @ $2.75 per gal.
$50 per hour for insurance
$10 to $50 per
hour for maint.
then add hangar and you'll come out at around $500 per hour. Fuel
costs will obviously impact this number tremendously.
Ernie
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:36:28 -0700, Lee Taylor <leetay@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@comcast.net>
>
> This is a REALLY dumb thing for me to even think about, but do any of
> you guys flying an L-39 have a grasp of your actual hourly operational
> costs? I am an A&P, & ex-jet fighter crew chief with my nice hangar in
> my back yard, so the labor costs would be nil, but I was wondering about
> actual operational costs. And what are you seeing in average fuel burn?
>
> Lee Taylor
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
Would just like to take a moment on the list to say
thanks to Shane Golden, Jay Land, Drew, Rich, and all
the rest of the gang who helped put on the event at
Waycross. I don't know who did what and I'm leaving
many people out I know but your efforts are
appreciated. I think a good time was had by all and it
sure bought out the locals. I didn't get to stay as
long as I wanted but it was great to finally meet
people in person that I have exchanged Emails and
phone calls with. The Red Star community just keeps
getting stronger...
- Robert Starnes
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
As expected, Waycross was an incredible event once again this year. Even
the weather cooperated, and we were able to fly virtually all day every day.
I think we had 16 Yaks and CJ's, 2 L29's and 1 L39 (did you count 'em
Shane?)
In addition to all the 2 ship and 4 ship training flights, we even managed
to have one Mass formation practice with 12 ships in the air and the "Race"
demo practice.
The locals really appreciated us being there and the airport and community
provided discounted fuel and a BBQ lunch on Saturday.
I think Gabby and I flew 20 times over the 4 days!
Congrats to Shane on getting his WING and to all the others who advanced on
their formation skills and ratings.
I can't wait for next year! Maybe we need to do it down there again in the
Spring sometime???
Jay
> From: "Robert Starnes" <a35plt@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:06:14 -0800 (PST)
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: [SPAM] - Yak-List: Waycross - Email found in subject
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
>
> Would just like to take a moment on the list to say
> thanks to Shane Golden, Jay Land, Drew, Rich, and all
> the rest of the gang who helped put on the event at
> Waycross. I don't know who did what and I'm leaving
> many people out I know but your efforts are
> appreciated. I think a good time was had by all and it
> sure bought out the locals. I didn't get to stay as
> long as I wanted but it was great to finally meet
> people in person that I have exchanged Emails and
> phone calls with. The Red Star community just keeps
> getting stronger...
> - Robert Starnes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | External Power Port? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Dave, in 15 years I have seen only 2, I have one and Bill Blackwell has one.
The factory lists them at $310.00 my cost! So I never bothered stocking
them.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of KingCJ6@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: External Power Port?
--> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
We have occasional need to recharge the battery & it's location makes it a
significant ordeal. Does anyone have a line on a factory or home built
external
power plug that will fit the outside receptor on the port side of a CJ?
Thanks, Dave
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| Subject: | Re: External Power Port? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
Another way to approach this issue is to MOUNT one of these in the
aircraft:
http://batterytender.com/product_info.php?products_id=9
They make 12 volt and 24 volt versions, they are really small and have
mounting holes.
You could then wire it to the battery, and then just plug it in to an
extension cord when
you are in the hangar. I know it's not the same as a external power
plug, but hey... it will work... and
maintain your battery all year long.
I used to use one on my old Cessna and it worked great, YMMV.
Dave Laird
N63536 "Betty"
On Jan 17, 2005, at 2:45 PM, Doug Sapp wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Dave, in 15 years I have seen only 2, I have one and Bill Blackwell
> has one.
> The factory lists them at $310.00 my cost! So I never bothered
> stocking
> them.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> KingCJ6@aol.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: External Power Port?
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
>
> We have occasional need to recharge the battery & it's location makes
> it a
> significant ordeal. Does anyone have a line on a factory or home built
> external
> power plug that will fit the outside receptor on the port side of a CJ?
>
> Thanks, Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | External Power Port? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Hi Dave
Hella make a great positive action DC plug. I have used these several
times, on boats, cars, etc. Thought about putting one on the Yak
several times, looks like an overgrown headphone plug, rated to 10 or 15
amps. Installs into a round cut-out hole much like an car cigarette
lighter. I think they are sold for plugging in spotlights.
Wire the female into the aerie and a male onto the charger and you're
set to go. They have positive plug in and will not fall or vibrate out.
I need to get a new pair for my tractor, to leave on trickle charger and
double up as power source for spotlight. If you interested I can get
the part number & description.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
> Sent: 17 January 2005 22:46 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: External Power Port?
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Dave, in 15 years I have seen only 2, I have one and Bill
> Blackwell has one. The factory lists them at $310.00 my cost!
> So I never bothered stocking them.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> KingCJ6@aol.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: External Power Port?
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
>
> We have occasional need to recharge the battery & it's
> location makes it a significant ordeal. Does anyone have a
> line on a factory or home built external power plug that will
> fit the outside receptor on the port side of a CJ?
>
> Thanks, Dave
>
>
> =========
> Matronics Forums.
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Redstar Racer Test |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>One of the things that Reno has taught is that if you are
>actually multi-plane racing, you DO NOT incorporate ANY
vertical
>manuvering in the race. That is EXTREMELY dangerous
Lee,
There is NO RACING here, this is an airshow act, strictly
formation flying disguised to look like a race. All action
is scripted and then directed by Raceboss who is identified
to the crowd as the Pace Plane orbiting overhead.
Does anyone ever flip their TV channels through the
Worldwide Wrestling show??
Er, ah...of course TV wrestling isn't fake, it's
"intertainment".
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Michael Beach - Hartwigs Trucks Pty Ltd" <mbeach@hartwigs.com.au>
Doug Sapp could you please contact Michael beach
of list at mbeach@hartwigs.com.au
Thanks
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kelley Monroe" <kelmonroe@comcast.net>
Has anyone taken the female end out of the battery box and made it into an APU
plug?
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I'll second on Jay's comments. I talked to Shane about hosting a
little flyin here at Leeward in Ocala Fl. sometime in the spring. I'd
like to get a show of hands to see how many folks would be interested.
Ernie
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:28:13 -0500, Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
>
> As expected, Waycross was an incredible event once again this year. Even
> the weather cooperated, and we were able to fly virtually all day every day.
> I think we had 16 Yaks and CJ's, 2 L29's and 1 L39 (did you count 'em
> Shane?)
>
> In addition to all the 2 ship and 4 ship training flights, we even managed
> to have one Mass formation practice with 12 ships in the air and the "Race"
> demo practice.
>
> The locals really appreciated us being there and the airport and community
> provided discounted fuel and a BBQ lunch on Saturday.
>
> I think Gabby and I flew 20 times over the 4 days!
>
> Congrats to Shane on getting his WING and to all the others who advanced on
> their formation skills and ratings.
>
> I can't wait for next year! Maybe we need to do it down there again in the
> Spring sometime???
>
> Jay
>
> > From: "Robert Starnes" <a35plt@yahoo.com>
> > Reply-To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:06:14 -0800 (PST)
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: [SPAM] - Yak-List: Waycross - Email found in subject
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Would just like to take a moment on the list to say
> > thanks to Shane Golden, Jay Land, Drew, Rich, and all
> > the rest of the gang who helped put on the event at
> > Waycross. I don't know who did what and I'm leaving
> > many people out I know but your efforts are
> > appreciated. I think a good time was had by all and it
> > sure bought out the locals. I didn't get to stay as
> > long as I wanted but it was great to finally meet
> > people in person that I have exchanged Emails and
> > phone calls with. The Red Star community just keeps
> > getting stronger...
> > - Robert Starnes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 1/17/2005 9:18:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
erniel29@gmail.com writes:
I'll second on Jay's comments. I talked to Shane about hosting a
little flyin here at Leeward in Ocala Fl. sometime in the spring. I'd
like to get a show of hands to see how many folks would be interested.
Ernie
To have a chance to dine with the "well heeled" of course!
Pappy
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--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
--> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
We have occasional need to recharge the battery & it's location makes it a
significant ordeal. Does anyone have a line on a factory or home built
external
power plug that will fit the outside receptor on the port side of a CJ?
Dave, if your wiring on the CJ is stock this will NOT charge the battery.
The power distribution
box has a relay interlock so that only the battery or the APU can supply
power both can NOT
be used at the same time. i.e. if APU power is present the battery
contractor can NOT close.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 N63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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