Today's Message Index:
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1. 06:17 AM - Re: CJ RUDDER TRAVEL (Kelley Monroe)
2. 07:06 AM - Insurance problem update (Tom Johnson)
3. 09:36 AM - Cold Weather (Paul Dumoret)
4. 09:47 AM - Just how cold are you?? (Doug Sapp)
5. 12:49 PM - Re: Insurance problem update (Bob Fitzpatrick)
6. 01:53 PM - What is a warbird? (Dean Courtney)
7. 03:23 PM - Re: What is a warbird? (Mark Schrick)
8. 03:53 PM - RPA Store Shipments, websites (Drew Blahnick)
9. 07:01 PM - Re: What is a warbird? (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 10:49 PM - 2nd annual "Dust off in the Desert" (Barry Hancock)
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| Subject: | Re: CJ RUDDER TRAVEL |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kelley Monroe" <kelmonroe@comcast.net>
The measurement I have found on 2 other CJs is 11" of travel each direction
at rib #1. So that is 25 degrees each direction of travel + - 1 degree.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ RUDDER TRAVEL
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> Kelly;
>
> Further to my post this AM the measurement I gave is taken at rudder rib
#1
> which is the bottom of the rudder not rib #3 as I stated.
> I guess I could say that was a test to see if anyone was paying attention
> but the truth is I screwed up in interpreting Note 2 of Fig. 1.4 (Tech.
> Specifications page 6a)
>
> Cheers;
> Walt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ RUDDER TRAVEL
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walt Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> >
> > Kelly;
> >
> > 25 degs. -1/+0 or 257 -11/+0 mm at the trailing edge of rib #3 which is
> the
> > centre hinge rib.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kelley Monroe" <kelmonroe@comcast.net>
> > To: "Yak List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: CJ RUDDER TRAVEL
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kelley Monroe"
<kelmonroe@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > Does any know the rudder travel for a CJ? The book says 25 degrees.
But
> > how many inches of travel?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Insurance problem update |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
INSURANCE UPDATE: Good news is we're off to a great start to 2005.
PLEASE KEEP IT UP..
Underwriter has decided to not take any immediate action, but to watch and see
how things go this year.
As an association, we are asking that our pilots review the recurrent training
materials and conduct your BFR in a Red Star aircraft per the RPA syllabus, and
attend at least one Red Star event per year.
We have a new training syllabus for recurrent and initial instruction that will
be available shortly on the RPA website thanks to the hard work of a lot of people.
We now have 23 Nanchangs at Deer Valley in Phoenix, 2 Yak 50s a few Yk52s and other
assorted M14 powered oddities.
We have begun a rotation schedule to overhaul gear uplocks and actuators and brake
valves in our fleet to help prevent mechanical failure.
Doug Sapp has all the parts you'll need for your CJ, and Jill and Carl can supply
for your Yak.
The work is not all that bad, and you will be a better person for it when you are
done.
Also keep an eye on your brake actuator cable. What do you do if it fails? Which
way is your big chopper pointing?
Doug Sapp has engineered a neat emergency stop system.
My personal habit: Gear down abeam touchdown. If not cleared to land at that point
(or otherwise not time for gear) I glue my hand to the lever and do not remove
my hand till the gear is down and confirmed with lights and pins. I have
a personal mantra I use on Base and Final. Basically a GUMPS check about 37
times . . . while visualizing fire trucks, and cell phones, and underwriters
and other things I don't want to see that day. .
We're off to a great start, winter is over and its going to be nearly 80 today
and sunny (sorry, but it is here . .)
SO go flying and fly safe.
Tjohnson
Rk50 82-2308
Phoenix.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Paul Dumoret" <3bar@telus.net>
Living in the Okanagan Valley of BC, our weather is quite temperate for
Canada - usually 40F in winter to 110F in summer, but we still need to
heat for good starts in winter because we can get below freezing for a
few days.. I used to have a Turbo Twin Comanche I flew regularly
throughout the Northwest and I used two interior car heaters because I
could plug-in at most airports and be ready to rock 'n' roll the next
morning. I have used these on the CJ, one on each side in the lower cowl
with shutters closed and a horse blanket over top. (OK so I am an old
rancher where you still put old things to good use). Leave that overnite
and your start is easy in the AM. Works well when you know in advance
you are tripping, no fire hazard and heats everything - cheap, easy and
efficient.
Paul Dumoret
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| Subject: | Just how cold are you?? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Ron and all you guys with the frozen nuggies, (not Mr.80 degrees TJ)
I have just found 12 factory new 28 volt, 20,000 BTU heaters thru a friend
in Canada. Price is $200.00 each. They will burn nearly anything, std
gasoline, jet fuel, av gas, heating oil, diesel, stove oil, etc. To set
them up you will need a fuel pump (3-15 psi), a fuel source (no tank is
furnished) and a length of tubing to move the hot air to where ever you want
it. These units are new in the box, I have to buy 10 at a time to get the
$200 price. Factory list on them was $1700.00 each to the military. I was
giving some thought to installing a T in the existing CJ fuel line on the
firewall, then install a fuel quick disconnect in one leg of that T. Build
up a fuel line with a in-line automotive 12 volt fuel pump (about $30.00) in
it. Or you could mount a 24 volt pump right on the heater. For 28 volt
electricity, in your battery compartment you have a 2 pin plug meant to plug
in the mechanics inspection light (which by the way I carry in stock), this
could be used to make the system even more compact. So compact in fact it
could be easily taken with you on a cross country in the winter time because
no big fuel tank or power source is required. As long as you are near your
CJ you would be totally self contained. The unit it's self measures 5-1/2W
x 13-1/8L x9-1/4H and weighs 10.5 lbs. This would make a great (small)
hanger heater also. One last very important note, there is NO fire in the
exhaust as they have a heat exchanger much like all South Wind and Stewart
Warner aircraft heaters.
So, I need 8 more cold but intrepid souls (I want 2 units) Drop me a line
off list and I'll email you a photo.
I may be premature tho because we are in the middle of a heat wave here in
Omak it was 0 degrees F, in blowing snow last week, today it's a balmy 32 F
with no wind.................shut your pie hole TJ, I don't want to hear
about no 80 degree weather!
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Davis
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cold weather starting procedure
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
A heat lamp would heat the engine, but there's a downside. Heat lamps are
incandescent filaments in a thin glass bulb. One drop of anything on a hot
bulb will shatter it. Then the filament burns and if there is anything
flamable around (gasoline spings to mind here) then a large conflagration
will follow.
Something less dangerous would be better.
_
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance problem update |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Tom,
Going over my renewal there is a question about " modifications not
provided by the manufacturer". Are we supposed to report minor mods like
drain kits, strobes, FOD covers, etc. or just major things like
engine/prop changes? What exactly constitutes a "modification"?
Thanx.
bob
PS: Wind chill here is -2 and tonite's Warbird Squadron 4 annual dinner
has been canceled due to drifting snow. What was that you said about
winter being over?
Tom Johnson wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
>
>INSURANCE UPDATE: Good news is we're off to a great start to 2005.
>PLEASE KEEP IT UP..
>
>Underwriter has decided to not take any immediate action, but to watch and see
how things go this year.
>As an association, we are asking that our pilots review the recurrent training
materials and conduct your BFR in a Red Star aircraft per the RPA syllabus, and
attend at least one Red Star event per year.
>
>We have a new training syllabus for recurrent and initial instruction that will
be available shortly on the RPA website thanks to the hard work of a lot of
people.
>
>We now have 23 Nanchangs at Deer Valley in Phoenix, 2 Yak 50s a few Yk52s and
other assorted M14 powered oddities.
>We have begun a rotation schedule to overhaul gear uplocks and actuators and brake
valves in our fleet to help prevent mechanical failure.
>Doug Sapp has all the parts you'll need for your CJ, and Jill and Carl can supply
for your Yak.
>The work is not all that bad, and you will be a better person for it when you
are done.
>
>Also keep an eye on your brake actuator cable. What do you do if it fails? Which
way is your big chopper pointing?
>Doug Sapp has engineered a neat emergency stop system.
>
>My personal habit: Gear down abeam touchdown. If not cleared to land at that
point (or otherwise not time for gear) I glue my hand to the lever and do not
remove my hand till the gear is down and confirmed with lights and pins. I have
a personal mantra I use on Base and Final. Basically a GUMPS check about 37
times . . . while visualizing fire trucks, and cell phones, and underwriters
and other things I don't want to see that day. .
>
>We're off to a great start, winter is over and its going to be nearly 80 today
and sunny (sorry, but it is here . .)
>SO go flying and fly safe.
>
>Tjohnson
>Rk50 82-2308
>Phoenix.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | What is a warbird? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dean Courtney" <deancourtney696@hotmail.com>
Not sure DOSAFF inventory will do to pass Yak 18, 50, 52, or 55's as
warbirds. DOSAFF was a government function, but not a military one. Kinda
like the CAP meets the boyscouts, and the government supplies the toys.
DOSAFF had sharp shooting clubs, sailing clubs, aero clubs, parachuting
clubs, ect. All the neat stuff to attract young people so they could be
indocnated in the "parties" way of thinking early. Military pilots did fly
DOSAFF aircraft to keep thier acro qualifications, or just for fun if they
were a favored member of the political scene.
If some one ever looks at our DOSAFF conection in search of a "warbird" rite
of passage, we'll be parked next to the CAP's Cessna 182, or the Forest
Service's Super Cub's!
Cheers,
Dean Courtney
P.S. DOSAFF translated means: Voluntary Society for the assistance of Army,
Navy, and Airforce.
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| Subject: | What is a warbird? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Dean
You are correct on most things BUT,,,,,,, you are only covering one area
DOSSAF. Several other countries are flying the Yak 52 as the primary trainer
before going into the L-39 and other jet trainers. Vietnam, Hungry, Romania,
and several African counties all use Yak 52's as trainers TODAY. That makes
them a WARBIRD period and not a ramp queen like the T-34 and others.
Hope that straightens this issue out.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email schrick@pacbell.net
Website www.YAKDRIVER.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean Courtney
Subject: Yak-List: What is a warbird?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dean Courtney" <deancourtney696@hotmail.com>
Not sure DOSAFF inventory will do to pass Yak 18, 50, 52, or 55's as
warbirds. DOSAFF was a government function, but not a military one. Kinda
like the CAP meets the boyscouts, and the government supplies the toys.
DOSAFF had sharp shooting clubs, sailing clubs, aero clubs, parachuting
clubs, ect. All the neat stuff to attract young people so they could be
indocnated in the "parties" way of thinking early. Military pilots did fly
DOSAFF aircraft to keep thier acro qualifications, or just for fun if they
were a favored member of the political scene.
If some one ever looks at our DOSAFF conection in search of a "warbird" rite
of passage, we'll be parked next to the CAP's Cessna 182, or the Forest
Service's Super Cub's!
Cheers,
Dean Courtney
P.S. DOSAFF translated means: Voluntary Society for the assistance of Army,
Navy, and Airforce.
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| Subject: | RPA Store Shipments, websites |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Folks,
For those who have late online store shipments, I'm as bummed as you over this
- I was told 15 orders went out today, but thats not the solution. This is a
volunteer position and the person shipping goods is taking on a second job of
her own - I may have a solution, a retired member and his wife have volunteered
for this position, I hope this will improve the situation over the long haul.
The store was created at the expense of immense volunteer man hours, we have
several items in the pipeline, but can not move forward until on time shipping
is an absolute given...
Also, on the web, we have the new sign-in system that uses your email and your
personal password, it should be working for all current members. Any issues with
this email us at admin@flyredstar.org. I've added a Flight Planning room that
allows members to do everything from check weather, notams, TFRs, plan routes,
check sunset, set your watch and order hotels and cars from one web page
(operations), updated Event Planning (events) and the Warbird Initial and Review
rooms (operations) are coming along. But it's not all work, in the mean time
here in Tamiami it was a 4 ship fast, two ship TAC and a front seat T-28 fam
- and heading to MIA to jump over to LA for L-29 school - Thanks Sam for the
seat!
If you use a 800X600 screen resolution to view flyredstar, you may see the center
area of the webpage "slide down" out of view, so that you have to scroll down
to read the info - this is not an issue with 1024 screen resolutions - I'm
working with Deon on the fix. This dissmembering of the center content of these
web pages for 800X600 users is not acceptable and will be fixed.
Direct, constructive feedback often reveals areas we need to shore up - technological
problems are solved by this process - please email us at admin@flyredstar.org
Thanks,
Drew
Drew Blahnick
RPA President
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: What is a warbird? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Also the Lithuanian Air Force CONTINUES to use the Yak 52 as a trainer
today.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: What is a warbird?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Dean
>
> You are correct on most things BUT,,,,,,, you are only covering one area
> DOSSAF. Several other countries are flying the Yak 52 as the primary
trainer
> before going into the L-39 and other jet trainers. Vietnam, Hungry,
Romania,
> and several African counties all use Yak 52's as trainers TODAY. That
makes
> them a WARBIRD period and not a ramp queen like the T-34 and others.
>
> Hope that straightens this issue out.
>
> Mark "SHREK" Schrick
>
> YAK DRIVER, LLC
> Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
> Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
> REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
> 966 Wallace Drive
> San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
> Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
> Cell 408-391-6664
> Email schrick@pacbell.net
> Website www.YAKDRIVER.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean Courtney
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: What is a warbird?
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dean Courtney"
<deancourtney696@hotmail.com>
>
> Not sure DOSAFF inventory will do to pass Yak 18, 50, 52, or 55's as
> warbirds. DOSAFF was a government function, but not a military one. Kinda
> like the CAP meets the boyscouts, and the government supplies the toys.
> DOSAFF had sharp shooting clubs, sailing clubs, aero clubs, parachuting
> clubs, ect. All the neat stuff to attract young people so they could be
> indocnated in the "parties" way of thinking early. Military pilots did fly
> DOSAFF aircraft to keep thier acro qualifications, or just for fun if they
> were a favored member of the political scene.
> If some one ever looks at our DOSAFF conection in search of a "warbird"
rite
> of passage, we'll be parked next to the CAP's Cessna 182, or the Forest
> Service's Super Cub's!
> Cheers,
> Dean Courtney
>
> P.S. DOSAFF translated means: Voluntary Society for the assistance of
Army,
> Navy, and Airforce.
>
>
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| Subject: | 2nd annual "Dust off in the Desert" |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
Gang,
Looks like the 2005 flying season could be the best in a long time!
Looking forward to the DVT get together Feb. 4-6. It will be a good
opportunity to knock the rust off and clear the cob webs. A month
after DVT is the "2nd Annual Dust Off in the Desert" Advanced Tactical
clinic in Palm Springs. This clinic is for FAST card holders (or
military equivalent) to expand their flying skills and fun through 3
separate phases of instruction.
In the past the clinic has been a seamless progression from Tactical
Formation through to full up BFM (Basic Fighter Maneuvering 1v1)...with
a long term goal of progressing to ACM (Air Combat Maneuvering, or 2 v.
1 and beyond). Through the development of the program we have
recognized there are a lot of folks who are interested in Tactical
formation, or Tac From, and Tail Chase, but not the hard core, heavy G,
environment of full up ACM. We completely understand...and so does my
chiropractor! Because of this (and our desire to make the group as big
as possible so we can attract that extra attention all us alpha males
are looking for!) we have developed a separate but connected program of
3 distinct training blocks (Tac Form, Tail Chase, and BFM/ACM).
____________________________________
By way of review, here are what the 3 different blocks offer:
Tactical Formation: Developed to provide mutual support in the combat
environment, Tactical Formation gives great maneuverability to a
flight, and also gives you defined positions and maneuvers ( = fun!).
Tactical Formation is more dynamic than parade formation as it
introduces you to closure rates, and develops important situational
awareness (SA) and comm procedures that will benefit you in all types
of flying. Every FAST rated pilot should become familiar with Tac
Form!
Tail Chase: This exercise is used in a limited fashion in FAST
training. The concepts of lead, lag, and pure pursuit are covered, in
addition to gun tracking and in trail aerobatics (gentlemen's style!).
If you enjoy light aerobatics, this is a must!
BFM/ACM: If Tac Form and Tail Chase leave you wanting more....G's,
that is!....welcome to the wonderful and demanding world of BFM/ACM.
This program is designed to introduce and advance pilots through Basic
Fighter Maneuvering to Air Combat Maneuvering. In this block you will
be introduced to more standardized comm, "the merge" and cooperative
bogey engagements to fulfill training objectives of attaining position
in the Weapons Employment Zone (WEZ), maneuvering in the WEZ, safety
considerations, developing SA, defensive tactics, etc. Once these are
mastered the fight becomes a neutral engagement and progresses from the
horizontal to the vertical. Graduates advanced to 2 v. 1
The ultimate goal in all of this is to get the point of an Air War
Simulation, which is not what you might picture at first (a huge
furball!). Air War Sim is a very well orchestrated chess game in the
air where everyone has a role to play and you don't do things you're
not comfortable doing. You'll pick your role (strike, escort, bad guy,
FAC, etc.) and teams will compete using a scoring system. To get there
we need guys to get familiar and proficient with the tactical
environment, which is what these clinics are designed to do!
_____________________________________
What I need now, is a show of hands on who is planning to attend the
2nd Annual Dust Off in the Desert. Again, it's March 3-6 (ground
school the morning of Friday the 4th). It will be hosted by the Palm
Springs Air Museum, parking on their showcase ramp, free admission, and
$.50/gal discount on fuel. Great event to bring the wife/S.O. as Palm
Springs is beautiful this time of year and the shopping/dining is
great. Please respond ASAP.... and we look forward to seeing you where
the air is clear and the skies are warm!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Western Regional Coordinator
RedStar Pilots Association
(949) 300-5510
www.flyredstar.org
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